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Satanists want statue next to 10 Commandments
A Ten Commandments monument erected outside the Oklahoma state Capitol.
December 9th, 2013
01:46 PM ET

Satanists want statue next to 10 Commandments

By Daniel Burke, CNN Belief Blog Co-Editor
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(CNN) - Lots of lawmakers have been accused of devilish behavior, but Oklahoma's state capitol may become the first to actually have a monument to Satan.

If a New York-based group called the Temple of Satan gets its way, a statue of the Evil One would sit next to the recently erected 10 Commandments monument on state capitol grounds.

"They said they wanted to be open to different monuments," said Lucien Greaves, a spokesman for the Temple of Satan, "and this seems like a perfect place to put that to the test."

Greaves and some legal experts say the Constitution is clear: the government can't endorse one particular religion. So, if a state capitol has a monument to one faith, it must allow monuments to others as well.

The Temple of Satan is less a religious body organized around rituals and regular meetings than a roving band of political provocateurs, said Greaves. They believe Satan is a "literary construct," the spokesman said, not an actual being with horns and hooves.

Last year, the Temple organized a gay and lesbian kiss-in at the gravesite of the mother of anti-gay preacher and activist the Rev. Fred Phelps. It also held a rally at Florida's state capitol in support of a law that allows "inspirational messages" at public school assemblies.

"It allows us to spread the message of Satanism," which centers around respect for diversity and religious minorities, said Greaves.

Oklahoma legislators voted to erect the Ten Commandments monument in 2009, using private funds donated by Rep. Mike Rietz, a surgeon and Southern Baptist deacon.

Rietz declined to comment on the Satanists' proposal on Monday, citing an separate and ongoing dispute with the American Civil Liberties Union over the Ten Commandments monument.

Oklahoma state Rep. Bob Cleveland told CNN that he's not in favor of the Satanist's proposed statue.

"I believe that only monuments that reflect Oklahoma values should be allowed on capitol the capitol grounds," Cleveland said in an e-mail on Monday.

But if Christians and Jews can have their monument to the 10 Commandments, then Satanists must be allowed to erect their own statue, said Brady Henderson, legal director of the American Civil Liberty Union's Oklahoma chapter.

"We feel like the Satanic Temple has a very strong argument to say that, if the state allows one religious monument, you have to allow others," Henderson said.

Oklahoma's statehouse grounds already has monuments honoring its heritage and Native American history, said Trait Thompson, chair of the Capitol Preservation Commission.

"Individuals and groups are free to apply to place a monument or statue or artwork," Thompson said.

The commission then determines whether the proposal abides by its standards and votes on whether to approve it.

Greaves said he's received the required forms from Oklahoma's Capitol Preservation Commission and is working on a design that will meet its standards.

"We want something big and bold that will be able to stand up to the weather or whatever other kinds of assaults," that may target the monument, he said.

"My favorite idea right now is an object of play for children. We want kids to see that Satanism is where the fun is."

The Temple of Satan created a Indiegogo fundraising page on Monday, but have thus far only publicly raised $150 towards its goal of $20,000.

Not all Satanist groups see the fun in political provocations.

Magus Peter Gilmore, head of the Church of Satan, which was founded by Anton LaVey in 1966, said he believes in strict separation of church and state.

"Rather than placing multiple 'advertisements' for various religions, we think it best for the (10 Commandments) monument to be removed to private property and that there be no objects supporting religion of any sort placed on the statehouse grounds," Gilmore said.

Earlier this year, Gilmore's Church of Satan squared off against a British group of Satanists over abortion rights, after activists shouted "Hail Satan" to drown out anti-abortion activists at the Texas state capitol.

READ MORE: Satanists square off on abortion (Yes, really)

- CNN Religion Editor

Filed under: Belief • Church and state • Culture wars • Devil • Satanism

soundoff (3,610 Responses)
  1. Oo Oo

    thanks for your concerns about christians' image. speak to the athies, would jah??

    December 13, 2013 at 1:42 am |
  2. Oo oO

    he was a man. people loved him, a human being, with a voice and mannerisms, preferences, a certain kind or walk.

    December 13, 2013 at 1:08 am |
    • Xx xX

      Nice description of Ted Bundy.

      December 13, 2013 at 1:33 am |
  3. oO Oo

    i have prayed while i was in agony and the pain worsened. god is real and he loves us

    December 13, 2013 at 12:29 am |
  4. Banker

    I have prayed while in extreme pain and it went away! God is real and Jesus is the Great Physician!

    December 13, 2013 at 12:15 am |
  5. Steph

    What are you athiests doing on a Belief Blog? Lol

    December 13, 2013 at 12:13 am |
    • HotAirAce

      Keeping an eye on the crazies who would like to turn the USA into a theocracy. And getting a good laugh from the crap believers believe. You?

      December 13, 2013 at 12:41 am |
      • lol??

        lol??
        Your comment is awaiting moderation.
        united in what?? socie bullyin'?? gang banger states, errr Crips states, Bloods states??

        December 15, 2013 at 9:03 am |
    • Stendahl

      Same reason they have articles on atheists and atheism here.

      December 13, 2013 at 1:36 am |
      • lol??

        Blood and gore for the new and improved republic??

        December 13, 2013 at 5:57 am |
    • sam stone

      having fun watching the believers argue with each other over who has the "correct" view of god

      December 13, 2013 at 6:22 am |
    • truthprevails1

      Oh, is it specified somewhere that this blog only pertains to christians and their ilk? And really, with all the lies that christianity spreads, if we're not here to enlighten with reality and facts, then who will do it?

      December 13, 2013 at 6:39 am |
    • tallulah13

      We are using our right of free speech. Welcome to America, Steph.

      December 13, 2013 at 9:43 am |
  6. Youtube video - "Context!!!!!"

    SAN DIEGO - A judge on Thursday ordered that a war memorial cross atop a San Diego mountain be removed from federal property in 90 days but said the ruling would be put on hold if it is appealed.

    U.S. District Judge Larry Burns wrote that "it's time for finality" in the case, 22 years after another judge ordered the 43-foot cross atop Mount Soledad to be taken down.

    The 9th U.S. Circuit Court of Appeals ruled in 2011 that the cross violated the const.itutional separation of church and state. After the Supreme Court declined review, the case went back to Burns to consider possible alternatives.

    Burns rejected arguments that Congress may eventually agree to transfer the land to a private party.

    December 12, 2013 at 10:17 pm |
  7. Ron

    "As many as received Him (Jesus), to them He gave the right to become children of God, even to those who believe in His name." ...John 1:12

    December 12, 2013 at 9:30 pm |
    • Scott

      And what do you think? the Satanists have a legal point, next will be the Buddhists, Muslims, Wiccans, Toasts, Hindu's, etc.. they all exist in Oklahoma and have the same rights as Christians to put a monument on the steps of the Oklahoma State House. As a veteran and an American I support freedome of speach and religion. It would show great unity for all Oklahomans of Faith to put monuments therer! it would show how the State is for all Citizens and supports the diversity of our Great Country and the Bill of Rights and freedoms we must all protect/

      December 12, 2013 at 11:40 pm |
  8. Ron

    "I am the Good Shepherd., and I know My own, and My own know Me." ...Jesus (Jhn 10:14)

    December 12, 2013 at 9:29 pm |
    • Blessed are the Cheesemakers

      They don't call his followers "sheep" for nothing.

      December 12, 2013 at 10:05 pm |
      • sam stone

        to be sheared then killed and eaten

        December 13, 2013 at 6:28 am |
        • Doc Vestibule

          Mary had a little lamb.
          With mint jelly.

          December 13, 2013 at 8:02 am |
      • Ron

        Indeed, there is a reason that His followers are called sheep and NOT goats: "When the Son of Man (Jesus) comes in His glory, and all the angels with Him then He will sit on His glorious throne. All the nations will be gathered before Him, and He will seperate them from another, as the shpherd seperates the sheep from the goats; and He will put the sheep on His right, and goats on the left. Then the King will say to those on His right, 'Come, you who are blessed of My Father, inherit the kingdom prepared for you from the foundation of the world. ....then He will also say to those on the left, 'Depart from Me, accursed ones, into the eternal fire which has been prepared for the devil and his angels.." Mathew 25:31-46.

        December 14, 2013 at 8:28 pm |
  9. Ron

    "I am the resurrection and the life; he that believes in Me, though he were dead, yet shall he live." ...Jesus (John 11:25)

    December 12, 2013 at 9:28 pm |
    • Scott

      Can you speak or are you a bot?

      December 12, 2013 at 11:30 pm |
    • oo OO

      that was buddha, right?

      December 13, 2013 at 12:06 am |
    • Keith

      Dammit Ron, stop it. Are you going to post the entire freakin' bible one quote at a time?

      December 13, 2013 at 1:18 am |
      • Stendahl

        I swear that most of the religious posts are lol under different names.

        December 13, 2013 at 1:35 am |
  10. Ron

    "I am the Light of the world..he who follows Me will not walk in the darkness." ...Jesus (John 8:12)

    December 12, 2013 at 9:27 pm |
    • Scott

      I bet the have one of these programs for all the great books, Bagadavida, Satanic Bible, Koran, Talmud. To bac Ron really can't tell us what he feels or thinks. Quotes are just quotes not comments.

      December 12, 2013 at 11:33 pm |
    • sam stone

      looks like ron does not have a thought of his own

      good little christian

      December 13, 2013 at 6:34 am |
  11. Ron

    "I am the Way, the Truth, and the Life; no one comes to the Father, but by Me. ....Jesus (John 14:6)

    December 12, 2013 at 9:26 pm |
    • Scott

      Wow a computer program that quotes the bible. To bad there is not a thinking human being making comments and opinions about the topic. Its like one of those little cartoon books that they leave in the bathrooms at high school.

      December 12, 2013 at 11:31 pm |
  12. Ron

    "Unless one is born again he cannot see the kingdom of God." ...Jesus (John 3:3)

    December 12, 2013 at 9:25 pm |
    • Scott

      You could write religious christmas cards. Is there anyone there?

      Mindless brainwashing or computer program? What do you all think. Add a comment.

      December 12, 2013 at 11:42 pm |
  13. oo oo

    He went up on a mountain to pray and when the evening had come, he was there alone.

    Can u c him? Godman! Sitting silently, gazing out at the sea of diamonds he placed in the nighttime sky. Breathing in the pure air that he made.

    December 12, 2013 at 8:57 pm |
    • oo oo

      Glory! Alleluia! Even so, lord Jesus, come quickly.

      December 12, 2013 at 8:59 pm |
      • oo oo

        I could have held him in one hand. God.

        December 12, 2013 at 9:00 pm |
      • Scott

        Do any of you even converse. I swear that these are all Bots. There are no thinking people behind these comments they make no sense. Like talking to a Jahova Witness at the door they have a little script and quote but no idea what it means. Just mindless drivel without any thoughts of their own. What are you robots.

        Jesus wanted people to think, he was a radical, he challeged authority. Was not just a brainwashed robot.

        Use real words folks, blogs are for expressing your opinion. You can do it. Try to understand the words you are quoting, what do they mean to you? How does this apply to the article? God does not want you as a puppet, life is about being in it.

        December 12, 2013 at 11:37 pm |
        • OO OO

          I don't know how to love him,
          What to do, how to move him.
          I've been changed, yes, really changed.
          In these past few days when I've seen myself
          I seem like someone else.

          I don't know how to take this
          I don't see why he moves me.
          He's a man, he's just a man.
          And I've had so many men before
          In very many ways:
          He's just one more

          Should I bring him down? Should I scream and shout?
          Should I speak of love – let my feelings out?
          I never thought I'd come to this – what's it all about?

          Don't you think it's rather funny
          I should be in this position?
          I'm the one who's always been
          So calm, so cool, no lover's fool
          Running every show
          He scares me so.

          I never thought I'd come to this – what's it all about

          Yet, if he said he loved me
          I'd be lost, I'd be frightened.
          I couldn't cope, just couldn't cope.
          I'd turn my head, I'd back away,
          I wouldn't want to know –
          He scares me so.
          I want him so.
          I love him so.

          December 13, 2013 at 12:25 am |
  14. Statuesque

    I want to see a statue of Satan doing something mundane like eating nachos, shaving or reading the code from the top of a Pepsi bottle. I'd help fund that.

    December 12, 2013 at 7:13 pm |
    • Statue of Flibberty Gibberty

      You know, I figured a statue of Jesus eating nachos and grooving in a drum circle with a spliff on his lips would fit his Venice Beach look really well.

      December 12, 2013 at 7:45 pm |
    • Joey

      Put them side by side..it might be Jesus and Satan, it might be Aragorn and Legolas or it might be Ted Nugent and Sebastian Bach....it all depends on your perspective.

      December 12, 2013 at 8:45 pm |
    • Shepard

      this is a brilliant idea, I truly mean that

      January 10, 2014 at 8:50 pm |
  15. From CNN article

    The sky is falling oh sh!t ! close to OK – maybe the next one will hit !

    Published on Dec 10, 2013

    Dashcam Video of a meteor streaking over Phoenix Mesa Gateway Airport from the NNE to the SSW today, 12-10-13 at 19:11

    December 12, 2013 at 6:16 pm |
  16. Reality

    To all the misguided "believers" out there, your salvation is at hand:

    Tis mind boggling that your religions can be brought down to earth in less than ten seconds. With this in mind should not the moderators of this blog and their buddy Stevie P be looking for new jobs?

    Again for the new members:

    To wit:

    Putting the kibosh on all religion in less than ten seconds: Priceless !!!

    • As far as one knows or can tell, there was no Abraham i.e. the foundations of Judaism, Christianity and Islam are non-existent.

    • As far as one knows or can tell, there was no Moses i.e. the pillars of Judaism, Christianity and Islam have no strength of purpose.

    • There was no Gabriel i.e. Islam fails as a religion. Christianity partially fails.

    • There was no Easter i.e. Christianity completely fails as a religion.

    • There was no Moroni i.e. Mormonism is nothing more than a business cult.

    • Sacred/revered cows, monkey gods, castes, reincarnations and therefore Hinduism fails as a religion.

    • Fat Buddhas here, skinny Buddhas there, reincarnated/reborn Buddhas everywhere makes for a no on Buddhism.

    Added details available upon written request.

    A quick search will put the kibosh on any other groups calling themselves a religion.

    e.g. Taoism

    "The origins of Taoism are unclear. Traditionally, Lao-tzu who lived in the sixth century is regarded as its founder. Its early philosophic foundations and its later beliefs and rituals are two completely different ways of life. Today (1982) Taoism claims 31,286,000 followers.

    Legend says that Lao-tzu was immaculately conceived by a shooting star; carried in his mother's womb for eighty-two years; and born a full grown wise old man. "

    December 12, 2013 at 6:04 pm |
  17. cpt fantasdoc

    C Roberto, my buddy, u ain't a Christian. U b dodo. Unless of course u rebuke Sam. But, u won't.

    December 12, 2013 at 5:11 pm |
    • christiansteve

      They don't apologize and Sam stone blovioates more hate and not one demon tells her to shut up.

      Newbies, this dump forshadows the hell to come. Demons high pitched squealing and crying

      December 12, 2013 at 5:35 pm |
      • Try this

        Why don't you apologize for lol??, Torqumada, Fred Phelps and all the other Christian nasties first, you know, to show us how it is done.

        December 12, 2013 at 6:55 pm |
        • lol??

          Accusing me of what??

          December 12, 2013 at 7:55 pm |
        • midwest rail

          Stop. The "little ol; innocent me ?" routine is too ludicrous for words.

          December 12, 2013 at 8:02 pm |
  18. cpt fantasdoc

    Not one demon apologized for Sam stone

    December 12, 2013 at 5:07 pm |
    • Jeff

      How's this? I'm sorry you're such an asshole, since you post as sam stone all the time....

      December 12, 2013 at 5:16 pm |
      • christiansteve

        Feel better?

        December 12, 2013 at 5:28 pm |
        • oo oo

          There ya b. Told ya. So, even though I'm the only christian posting here, if you, a christian, read some of the Heathen's posts, remember, they encourage Sam stone

          December 12, 2013 at 8:52 pm |
        • Jeff

          You post as sam stone all the time. Who do you think you're kidding? Stealing names is your forte.

          Knock it off with the self-righteous act. You're giving Christians a bad name.

          December 12, 2013 at 9:04 pm |
        • sam stone

          Jeff, You post as sam stone all the time. Who do you think you're kidding? Stealing names is your forte. Knock it off with the self-righteous act. You're giving Christians a bad name.

          thanks for your concerns about christians' image. speak to the athies, would jah?

          December 13, 2013 at 1:33 am |
        • sam stone

          thanks for your concerns about christians' image. speak to the athies, would jah?

          December 13, 2013 at 1:38 am |
  19. Dyslexic doG

    the 10 commandments.
    copied from the lists of previous civilizations
    if the bible is the word of your god, then he is not very original
    did he copy from an earlier god?

    December 12, 2013 at 4:12 pm |
    • Dyslexic doG

      and there were even 2 sets of different commandments in just your one book.

      how can you hope to be taken seriously?!?!

      December 12, 2013 at 4:13 pm |
      • Reading

        God gives Moses 10 commandments.
        The people break them. Moses literally breaks the tablets.
        God gives Moses those 10 commandments again. And then gives more commandments to deal with the cause of the people breaking them the first time around.

        December 12, 2013 at 4:17 pm |
        • Gordo

          Fun story, hey! Funny that a "god" can't make unbreakable tablets though. Christian god must be pretty useless on a lot of things. Quite the excessive killer tho.

          December 12, 2013 at 7:59 pm |
        • lol??

          Not to worry, Flash. They'll get unbreakable bodies at the resurrection.

          December 12, 2013 at 8:03 pm |
        • Gordo

          Doesn't sound good for that when your god can't get the job done on the easy stuff.

          And wow, are you ever whacked out.

          December 12, 2013 at 8:31 pm |
      • God has a problem with contradictory redundancy

        They went with the two different stories of creation and the four different stories of the resurrection and what followed.

        December 12, 2013 at 8:10 pm |
  20. CHOIR LOFT

    satan was ejected from heaven for trying to make itself equal with God. Here on earth the attempt continues. Not having any authority of it's own, satan stole that which had been given to man. It's thieving and lying and murdering continue to this day. It's ultimate purpose is to be equal with God. Don't believe the Bible? Read Mr. Burke's story again for the first time. Some things never change.
    and that's me, hollering from the choir loft...

    December 12, 2013 at 3:23 pm |
    • I think we've spotted him..

      http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4JuSfRgh0Vo

      December 12, 2013 at 3:38 pm |
      • Toast busters

        Delightful!

        December 12, 2013 at 4:07 pm |
        • OTOH

          And what is there available for the lack toast intolerant ones?!

          December 12, 2013 at 4:40 pm |
    • igaftr

      Good thing it's just a story to scare you with.

      December 12, 2013 at 3:48 pm |
    • Dyslexic doG

      such an infantile, fairy tale explanation of the world. it would be laughable if it wasn't so pitiful.

      December 12, 2013 at 4:02 pm |
      • Hey

        Says you. Which doesn't make it true. It just proves you don't like it. Pretty much anything to do with religion you will not like and want to talk about it all day long.

        December 12, 2013 at 4:09 pm |
        • In Santa we trust

          Are you going to be the first believer to provide evidence of a god?

          December 12, 2013 at 4:39 pm |
        • Hey

          Are you going to stop thinking about religion, Christianity and God all day long? Are you going to stop thinking about religion, Christianity and God all day long? Are you going to stop thinking about religion, Christianity and God all day long? Are you going to stop thinking about religion, Christianity and God all day long? Are you going to stop thinking about religion, Christianity and God all day long? Are you going to stop thinking about religion, Christianity and God all day long? Are you going to stop thinking about religion, Christianity and God all day long? Are you going to stop thinking about religion, Christianity and God all day long? Are you going to stop thinking about religion, Christianity and God all day long? Are you going to stop thinking about religion, Christianity and God all day long? Are you going to stop thinking about religion, Christianity and God all day long? Are you going to stop thinking about religion, Christianity and God all day long? Are you going to stop thinking about religion, Christianity and God all day long? Are you going to stop thinking about religion, Christianity and God all day long? Are you going to stop thinking about religion, Christianity and God all day long? Are you going to stop thinking about religion, Christianity and God all day long? Are you going to stop thinking about religion, Christianity and God all day long? Are you going to stop thinking about religion, Christianity and God all day long? Are you going to stop thinking about religion, Christianity and God all day long? Are you going to stop thinking about religion, Christianity and God all day long? Are you going to stop thinking about religion, Christianity and God all day long? Are you going to stop thinking about religion, Christianity and God all day long? Are you going to stop thinking about religion, Christianity and God all day long? Are you going to stop thinking about religion, Christianity and God all day long? Are you going to stop thinking about religion, Christianity and God all day long? Are you going to stop thinking about religion, Christianity and God all day long? Are you going to stop thinking about religion, Christianity and God all day long? Are you going to stop thinking about religion, Christianity and God all day long? Are you going to stop thinking about religion, Christianity and God all day long? Are you going to stop thinking about religion, Christianity and God all day long? Are you going to stop thinking about religion, Christianity and God all day long? Are you going to stop thinking about religion, Christianity and God all day long? Are you going to stop thinking about religion, Christianity and God all day long? Are you going to stop thinking about religion, Christianity and God all day long?

          December 12, 2013 at 4:55 pm |
        • In Santa we trust

          I'll take that as a no then. Nothing to say – just that you're right and don't need to provide evidence to support it.

          December 12, 2013 at 5:01 pm |
        • Hey

          I'm unable to prove God to one little hostile atheist who spends way too much time at religion.blogs.cnn.com.
          I never said I could, so I fail to see what your point is.

          December 12, 2013 at 5:05 pm |
        • In Santa we trust

          You're unable to prove god to anyone – sadly including yourself. How much time have you decided that I'm allowed to spend on this blog and how did you decide? Why keep going on about a god if you're that insecure?

          December 12, 2013 at 5:13 pm |
        • Now that's just stupid...

          You seem to be stuck in a dead cut and paste loop. Guess you are just a little loopy.

          December 12, 2013 at 5:15 pm |
        • Hey

          Asking for scienfically testable, material, non-transcendent evidence for an immaterial, transcendent God is the wrong approach.Even if you ask it over and over and over and over. Even if you just seek out comments that talk about God and then try to act like a bully and insist people prove it to you. Welcome to the faith and belief blog. Keep searching for that evidence. Might start taking an honest look at yourself.

          December 12, 2013 at 5:25 pm |
        • In Santa we trust

          This thread specifically is about believers wanting to impose their religion on the rest of us while rejecting equivalency for other religions. Ignoring what the constitution says about freedom of religion, this is predicated on their belief that
          there is a god – despite all the evidence showing that the creation myth in the bible is incorrect.
          Believers feel they have a right to impose their religion on the rest of us – except when another religion is pushed onto them.
          You as an individual may not do this in the real world, but enough believers want to push religion into society and this comment is an example of that and the hypocrisy involved.
          I'm not searching for evidence of a god; I know that to date there is none and therefore do not realistically expect any.
          How much time have you decided that I'm allowed to spend on this blog and how did you decide? Why keep going on about a god if you're that insecure?

          December 12, 2013 at 5:42 pm |
        • Hey

          I'm not insecure about God.
          Why do you consistently ask for evidence of God, when that is rarely the topic of the article? Or even the topic of the thread?
          Are you projecting your insecurities on me?

          December 12, 2013 at 5:48 pm |
        • In Santa we trust

          Because it is the underpinning of all that you do; without it there is no foundation for the personal gods and the religions attached to them.

          December 12, 2013 at 5:53 pm |
        • Hey

          You are insecure about your beliefs, so you attack the beliefs of others that disagree with yours.
          How "Christian" of you.

          December 12, 2013 at 5:58 pm |
        • In Santa we trust

          Did you read about foundation? I'm totally secure in my belief that believers are deluded and that they will always dance around the lack of evidence. I do agree that the behavior that you describe is often the christian way.

          You chose to respond to "such an infantile, fairy tale explanation of the world. it would be laughable if it wasn't so pitiful" with nothing.

          December 12, 2013 at 6:08 pm |
        • Hey

          You trying to pinpoint "insecurity" on me points to you actually being insecure.
          Then you try to stereotype and generalize about people like me in an unflattering way. That is not intelligent. That is evidence of something going on with you inside.

          December 12, 2013 at 6:14 pm |
        • In Santa we trust

          So by your logic – you're a bully.

          December 12, 2013 at 6:18 pm |
        • Hey

          "such an infantile, fairy tale explanation of the world. it would be laughable if it wasn't so pitiful"

          That is an opinion. You probably would only find that opinion from an "internet atheist".
          If you showed that comment to 100 people, most would say it sounds hostile and angry. Probably originates from a militant or internet atheist.
          Certainly doesn't sound intelligent.

          An "internet atheist"-
          "Angry atheist who trolls internet sites denouncing God, Christians and religion; Atheist internet troll who demonstrates a basic ignorance of reason; Atheist internet troll who is ignorant of science and logic while claiming strong adherence to the same; Atheist who contradicts themselves through poor reasoning, especially one who exhibits hypocrisy."

          or

          "Users of the internet that are known for their Militant Atheism. Usually commenters on Youtube and /atheist/ Reddit, Internet Atheists will attack virtually anything related to religion. Hilariously enough, they are generally just as dogmatic as the religious.

          Internet Atheists cannot come to terms with the fact that the claim of the nonexistence of deities is a belief. Instead, Internet Atheists claim that atheism is a lack of belief (which is actually agnosticism). Basically, Internet Atheism are the idiots among atheists."

          http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=internet%20atheist

          December 12, 2013 at 6:21 pm |
        • Hey

          I'm standing up to the bully (you) who tries to push his beliefs on evidence and God down other people's throats and ironically acts just like the CHristians he claims to be better than.
          Yes.

          December 12, 2013 at 6:23 pm |
        • In Santa we trust

          Firstly, I didn't make the original post.
          Secondly, that definition must have been written by a believer (and do compare to many believers on here)
          Thirdly, if any religion had any evidence there would be no atheists or other religions – but you don't.

          December 12, 2013 at 6:27 pm |
        • Hey

          Plenty of atheists complain about internet and militant atheists.

          "The new atheism tends to get religion wrong. The focus is always on the out-dated metaphysics of religion, its belief in personal creator gods, miracles, souls and so forth. [...] However, there is much more to religion than the metaphysics. To give a non-exhaustive list, religion is also about trying to live sub specie aeternitatis; orienting oneself to the transcendent rather than the immanent; living in a moral community of shared practice or as part of a valuable tradition; cultivating certain atttudes, such as grattude and humility; and so on. To say, as Sam Harris does, that ‘religion is nothing more than bad concepts held in place of good ones for all time’ misses all this. The practices of religion may be more important then the narratives, even if people believe those narratives to be true."

          http://www.partiallyexaminedlife.com/2011/05/16/atheists-against-atheism/

          December 12, 2013 at 6:32 pm |
        • In Santa we trust

          If it's just a social club why the need to impose your beliefs on the rest of us?
          Your prayers at public meetings.
          Your religious texts on public buildings.
          Your beliefs into laws on marriage, abortion, contraception, etc.
          Your beliefs into science classes.
          etc.
          And if you accept that there no basis for the metaphysical claims, why not drop them? That way no one will need to ask for evidence.

          December 12, 2013 at 6:39 pm |
        • Hey

          Most Christians are cool with not imposing those things on others. Our founding fathers were mostly Christian, and they created a very secular government (but one that provides freedom to practice religion). There are Christians that fight to keep those types of things out of government, too. There are fringe Christians that are a problem. There are fringe atheists that are a problem.
          It is a human, not a religion, CHristians or atheist problem.

          December 12, 2013 at 6:43 pm |
        • In Santa we trust

          You said that I must be insecure because I questioned your security in your god. So by logic you must be a bully because you called me a bully. How is asking for evidence of what you claim bullying? As I've pointed out believers want to change society to fit their beliefs, why would you not expect either reisistance or the reasonable expectation of evidence to support your case?

          December 12, 2013 at 6:46 pm |
        • Hey

          Just because you say "believers want to change society to fit their beliefs" does not mean "believers want to change society to fit their beliefs. That is your opinion. Not a fact.
          And you sound like you want to change "believers to fit your beliefs".
          Try more listening, less dictating about what you stereotype "believers" as.

          December 12, 2013 at 6:52 pm |
        • In Santa we trust

          I did list some examples
          Your prayers at public meetings.
          Your religious texts on public buildings.
          Your beliefs into laws on marriage, abortion, contraception, etc.
          Your beliefs into science classes.
          etc.
          Examples of which you can easily find on the internet.

          I don't particularly want to change others; I'd be OK with believers as long as they left it in the church and kept it out of society in general.

          December 12, 2013 at 7:00 pm |
        • Hey

          Not all believers are for those things. We have a system in place that is working quite well (a system founded by some believers).

          December 12, 2013 at 7:10 pm |
        • lol??

          A&A's want proof fer their gods. That's how they destroyed the US and morphed the gubmint into the Diverse Beast. They have evidence for THAT, and of course brutal, beastie "leadership" is better than the deep dark void of nothingness.

          December 12, 2013 at 7:13 pm |
        • PC POLICE

          Your prayers at public meetings. NO FREEDOM OF SPEECH. JUST SECULAR TOPICS APPROVED BY YOUR STATE CONGRESS PERSON.
          Your religious texts on public buildings. NO. JUST ADVERTISEMENTS FOR DRUG COMPANIES ALLOWED.
          Your beliefs into laws on marriage, abortion, contraception, etc. NO LAWS. YOU CAN MARRY WHOEVER YOU WANT. HAVE AS MANY ABORTIONS AS YOU WANT.
          Your beliefs into science classes. NO BELIEFS IN SCIENCE CLASS. TEACH THAT SCIENCE LEADS TO SECULARISM.

          December 12, 2013 at 7:17 pm |
        • oh the irony

          christards on a board all day complaining about atheists being on a board all day and still have nada on their sky-fairy

          December 12, 2013 at 8:24 pm |
        • oh the irony 2

          Another Internet Atheist using a slur word against people of a different belief system.

          December 12, 2013 at 8:32 pm |
        • oh the irony

          christards don't know what irony is

          December 12, 2013 at 8:40 pm |
        • oh the bigotry

          slur words and derogatory names. nice standards there, buddy.

          December 12, 2013 at 8:44 pm |
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