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Satanists want statue next to 10 Commandments
A Ten Commandments monument erected outside the Oklahoma state Capitol.
December 9th, 2013
01:46 PM ET

Satanists want statue next to 10 Commandments

By Daniel Burke, CNN Belief Blog Co-Editor
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(CNN) - Lots of lawmakers have been accused of devilish behavior, but Oklahoma's state capitol may become the first to actually have a monument to Satan.

If a New York-based group called the Temple of Satan gets its way, a statue of the Evil One would sit next to the recently erected 10 Commandments monument on state capitol grounds.

"They said they wanted to be open to different monuments," said Lucien Greaves, a spokesman for the Temple of Satan, "and this seems like a perfect place to put that to the test."

Greaves and some legal experts say the Constitution is clear: the government can't endorse one particular religion. So, if a state capitol has a monument to one faith, it must allow monuments to others as well.

The Temple of Satan is less a religious body organized around rituals and regular meetings than a roving band of political provocateurs, said Greaves. They believe Satan is a "literary construct," the spokesman said, not an actual being with horns and hooves.

Last year, the Temple organized a gay and lesbian kiss-in at the gravesite of the mother of anti-gay preacher and activist the Rev. Fred Phelps. It also held a rally at Florida's state capitol in support of a law that allows "inspirational messages" at public school assemblies.

"It allows us to spread the message of Satanism," which centers around respect for diversity and religious minorities, said Greaves.

Oklahoma legislators voted to erect the Ten Commandments monument in 2009, using private funds donated by Rep. Mike Rietz, a surgeon and Southern Baptist deacon.

Rietz declined to comment on the Satanists' proposal on Monday, citing an separate and ongoing dispute with the American Civil Liberties Union over the Ten Commandments monument.

Oklahoma state Rep. Bob Cleveland told CNN that he's not in favor of the Satanist's proposed statue.

"I believe that only monuments that reflect Oklahoma values should be allowed on capitol the capitol grounds," Cleveland said in an e-mail on Monday.

But if Christians and Jews can have their monument to the 10 Commandments, then Satanists must be allowed to erect their own statue, said Brady Henderson, legal director of the American Civil Liberty Union's Oklahoma chapter.

"We feel like the Satanic Temple has a very strong argument to say that, if the state allows one religious monument, you have to allow others," Henderson said.

Oklahoma's statehouse grounds already has monuments honoring its heritage and Native American history, said Trait Thompson, chair of the Capitol Preservation Commission.

"Individuals and groups are free to apply to place a monument or statue or artwork," Thompson said.

The commission then determines whether the proposal abides by its standards and votes on whether to approve it.

Greaves said he's received the required forms from Oklahoma's Capitol Preservation Commission and is working on a design that will meet its standards.

"We want something big and bold that will be able to stand up to the weather or whatever other kinds of assaults," that may target the monument, he said.

"My favorite idea right now is an object of play for children. We want kids to see that Satanism is where the fun is."

The Temple of Satan created a Indiegogo fundraising page on Monday, but have thus far only publicly raised $150 towards its goal of $20,000.

Not all Satanist groups see the fun in political provocations.

Magus Peter Gilmore, head of the Church of Satan, which was founded by Anton LaVey in 1966, said he believes in strict separation of church and state.

"Rather than placing multiple 'advertisements' for various religions, we think it best for the (10 Commandments) monument to be removed to private property and that there be no objects supporting religion of any sort placed on the statehouse grounds," Gilmore said.

Earlier this year, Gilmore's Church of Satan squared off against a British group of Satanists over abortion rights, after activists shouted "Hail Satan" to drown out anti-abortion activists at the Texas state capitol.

READ MORE: Satanists square off on abortion (Yes, really)

- CNN Religion Editor

Filed under: Belief • Church and state • Culture wars • Devil • Satanism

soundoff (3,610 Responses)
  1. jon wilson

    I believe in the 1st amendment and all that ,but this country was founded on the principles of God. Satan is the enemy of the world. If you're an atheist that's one thing, but a Satan worshipper give me a break. There's no way they should let this monument be built. If they do allow it everyone of the voting committee should sent to Mexico.

    December 13, 2013 at 12:38 pm |
    • Econ302

      You don't believe in the first if you say You believe in it then say that only messages that agree with your belief are allowed.

      December 13, 2013 at 12:42 pm |
    • LinCA

      @jon wilson

      You said, "I believe in the 1st amendment and all that"
      No, you clearly don't.

      You said, "but this country was founded on the principles of God."
      No, it wasn't. It was founded on principles of equality and democracy. It was founded to get away from an oppressive monarch and to be free from his religion.

      You said, "Satan is the enemy of the world."
      Satan, just like your god or the bogeyman is a figment. They are the monsters under the bed of a five year old. They are no more real than the Tooth Fairy or the Easter Bunny.

      You said, "If you're an atheist that's one thing, but a Satan worshipper give me a break."
      Yeah, really, who would believe in imaginary creatures, right?

      You said, "There's no way they should let this monument be built."
      Of course they should let it be built. It is just as idiotic as the 10 commandments monument that is there already. Not allowing it would be an endorsement of a particular religion by government.

      It would, of course, be far better if they simply removed the 10 commandments monument, as that is highly inappropriate.

      You said, "If they do allow it everyone of the voting committee should sent to Mexico."
      Nice and tolerant of you. You got your monument and everyone else is just shit out of luck.

      December 13, 2013 at 1:47 pm |
      • bringbackwayne

        satanists, atheists, unbelievers are all spoils of the devil so it really doesn't matter.........

        December 13, 2013 at 2:12 pm |
        • LinCA

          @bringbackwayne

          You said, "satanists, atheists, unbelievers are all spoils of the devil so it really doesn't matter........."
          I find it adoring that there are so many adults that still cling to their fairy tales. Incomprehensible, but adoring.

          December 13, 2013 at 2:17 pm |
  2. Gloria

    Let them have a monument to Satan, we all know what happens to him.

    December 13, 2013 at 12:33 pm |
    • ted

      No, actually I don't. I never thought the bible was a very compelling story. I prefer Harry Potter. Much more realistic, way more action, and the bad guy actually shows up at some point.

      December 13, 2013 at 12:38 pm |
      • dw

        I prefer Dr. Seuss, but we'll said!

        December 13, 2013 at 1:41 pm |
        • dw

          *well

          December 13, 2013 at 1:43 pm |
    • L

      yep 🙂

      December 13, 2013 at 12:53 pm |
  3. Rock Reynolds

    The Master Satanists teach their Satanist students about the "Occult", by having their followers watch all episodes of Pokemon.

    December 13, 2013 at 12:32 pm |
  4. wisdom4u2

    Don't fret folk...it's just the signs of the times. Most people possessing wisdom know how it all ends. If it's not about the Love of God, it'll ALL fails...cause LOVE never fails. Let the haters hate, and let the Lovers love...the haters. Peace out.

    December 13, 2013 at 12:32 pm |
  5. Rock Reynolds

    Satanists are worse sheep than Christians.
    Satanists blindly believe their masters that Satanism is NOT a religion (How dumb can you be???).
    Satanists also blindly believe their masters' Occult nonsense "Law of Names", that, when they summon a demon, they CONTROL the demon.
    Roger Reynard
    (Hey Satanists, I hear your planet is in trouble. But don't worry.)

    December 13, 2013 at 12:29 pm |
  6. Brian

    The Ten Commandments are before Christianity. It is God's words to all the people of earth.

    December 13, 2013 at 12:20 pm |
    • sly

      God or Jesus or Satan ... kinda doesn't make much difference.

      It might be easier to discuss if we simply call God the "Easter Bunny". Not controversial, and just as likely true.

      December 13, 2013 at 12:32 pm |
      • dw

        Truth.

        December 13, 2013 at 1:46 pm |
    • Econ302

      The Ten Commandments are a religous text.

      You suggesting they are not a religous text by telling everyone they are gods word to all mankind is just highlights that it's a religious text.

      December 13, 2013 at 12:44 pm |
  7. gager

    Atheists are not Satanists...

    December 13, 2013 at 12:17 pm |
  8. sly

    Some of y'all are still on here trying to prove your personal opinions are facts?

    Hey, studipidio's: Opinions are not facts. They are personal beliefs. Google the word 'opinion'.

    December 13, 2013 at 12:08 pm |
    • L

      Maybe they'd like to add a display of some troll dolls to – we can make sure they all have different colored hair. I'm sure we can all think of lots of things to also place there that we believe to be meaningful. How about pictures of our pets!!!

      December 13, 2013 at 12:22 pm |
    • L

      Do you really think I would rely on "google's" definition of opinion rather than the facts. HMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMM

      December 13, 2013 at 12:58 pm |
  9. Phil Tuncap

    Lucien Greaves, awesome name! Kinda like Lucien Lachance from The Elder Scrolls

    December 13, 2013 at 12:04 pm |
  10. Jack 2

    I'm not religious but why would athiest want to antagonize peole with other beliefs? This just tells me they have evil in their hearts. Let everyone beiieve what they want as long as they aren't hurting others.

    December 13, 2013 at 11:47 am |
    • Doug

      Why would Christians want to antagonize everyone else with their monuments and public prayers?

      We know that Jesus said to pray in private, that only pharisees (hypocrites) and other poseurs would pray in public so that everyone can see how righteous they are. Since your own god admonishes you to keep your prayers and other displays of religion private, between you and your god, we can only conclude that the reason for public prayers and monuments is to antagonize everyone who doesn't believe as you do. Either that, or you are trying to make yourselves ineligible for heaven (Jesus said that the public adulation given to public prayers is the only reward they will ever get).

      December 13, 2013 at 11:59 am |
      • djasp

        why would they be antagonized by something they don't believe in? if someone mounted a statue of a unicorn dying it wouldn't offend or antagonize me. i don't believe in unicorns

        December 13, 2013 at 12:01 pm |
        • L

          Ditto 🙂

          December 13, 2013 at 12:25 pm |
      • bringbackwayne

        What is the full context of what you cite from the bible?

        December 13, 2013 at 12:22 pm |
        • Fox

          This is a forum, not an instruction on the bible. Go Google it yourself.

          December 13, 2013 at 1:25 pm |
      • L

        Whether you deny the truth or not is irrelevant. This country was founded on godly principles that we have moved so far south of that we are no longer blessed as a nation. You have to be blind not to see it.

        December 13, 2013 at 12:24 pm |
        • caileigh

          this country was founded by deists....

          December 13, 2013 at 12:34 pm |
      • bringbackwayne

        Fox.........If Doug is going to cite biblical messages from Jesus while taking shot at people then I'm going to call his bluff. He's cherry picking at best. Perfectly, normal "forum" stuff.

        December 13, 2013 at 1:40 pm |
    • gager

      Satanists are not atheist nor are atheist satanists. Satanists believe in magic like other religions.

      December 13, 2013 at 12:18 pm |
      • John G.

        Not all Satanists believe in magic. Nor do they believe in the Devil, for that matter. Their core principle belief is that you should go out and do/take/whatever that you want because that is the true nature of what life is, and the weak are there just for fodder. Kinda like what the Republicans believe in.

        December 13, 2013 at 12:33 pm |
  11. MG

    These people are not satanists. They even admit it...

    "The Temple of Satan is less a religious body organized around rituals and regular meetings than a roving band of political provocateurs, said Greaves."

    What they are trying to do is erect a piece of public artwork, not a religious symbol, since they admit they aren't really a religion. Oklahoma can definitely say no to groups erecting public artwork.

    December 13, 2013 at 11:45 am |
    • Scholar

      Therein lies the rub: if the government judges whether a particular group is an "organized religion" then the government is essentially violating the First Amendment through its "establishing" that religion qua religion. This fine point of law is very fine – any attempt by the government to recognize an organization as a "religion" under law, unless they are adjudged a charitable 501c(3) one that happens also to be a religious group, "establishes" that group as a religion recognized by the government, something the government is not permitted to do.
      Lawyers see the difficulties in this even if no one else does.

      Can any level of government create a list of "valid" religious groups under the First Amendment? Must the government accept at face value all claims by an organization that they are, in fact, a religious body? Must all religious groups also be charitable groups under tax law? That would be a convenience, but can the government require that? All it requires is a single IRS form and the charitable organization is recognized as a charity.
      Of course, there is also 501c(4) public welfare groups, which is different.

      But the question arises as to what, exactly, is a "religion" according the government at local, state and federal levels?

      December 13, 2013 at 12:26 pm |
  12. Ted

    If Christians are wrong, we won't know cause we'll be dead. But if Athiests are wrong, you get the picture. Wouldn't you all better be safe than sorry?
    It's not hard to accept Jesus, tons of people have instantly been broke of addictions after getting saved.

    December 13, 2013 at 11:36 am |
    • Sam Crawford

      The problem with Pascal's Wager is that it assumes one has picked the right religion. If the Muslims are right, you'll be burning alongside the atheists.

      December 13, 2013 at 11:48 am |
    • Pat

      Really? Pascal's wager? Why isn't it obvious to anybody that, if there is an all encompassing god it would know if somebody didn't really believe but was just going through the motions "just in case?" Better an honest atheist than a false believer.

      December 13, 2013 at 11:51 am |
    • Doug

      "tons of people have instantly been broke of addictions after getting saved."

      How many tons?

      Given that the average weight of an adult human is about 180 lbs, a "ton of people" would be about 11. So how many "11s" of people have been "instantly broke (sic) of addictions" by "accepting Jesus"?

      December 13, 2013 at 11:54 am |
    • Nick

      Accepting Jesus to be safe is not truly loving Jesus, because it is motivated by selfish thought. The only way to love Jesus is to live by his philosophy and accept the judgment you receive.

      December 13, 2013 at 12:15 pm |
      • redzoa

        That sounds far too reasonable to catch on . . . but one can hope!

        December 14, 2013 at 3:37 am |
  13. John

    Ok athiests, who created the rocks that caused the Big Bang?

    December 13, 2013 at 11:33 am |
    • Mark

      Ok, Christians, if everything requires a creator, who created God?

      December 13, 2013 at 11:41 am |
      • Johnny

        Lol you must not be serious right? The big bang wasn't caused by rocks silly.

        December 13, 2013 at 11:45 am |
      • kermit4jc

        Bad question....for JOhn isn't even saying EVERYTHING needed a Creator....everything that has been CREATED needs a Creator..God is NOT created

        December 13, 2013 at 11:48 am |
        • Econ302

          Your right, Kermit4jc, God didn't have to be created, just like nothing had to start the Big Bang.

          If you think somehing can just exist why can't you accpet that the Big Bang just happend?

          December 13, 2013 at 12:39 pm |
        • kermit4jc

          Terrible argument dude....God is NOT a thing..He is a personable being....not to be compared to THINGS like ricksmbig bang. Big bang has NO consciousness..it has NO intelligence to bring itself into being.

          December 13, 2013 at 3:58 pm |
        • pat

          Neither are rocks.

          December 13, 2013 at 12:45 pm |
        • kermit4jc

          Rocks are not created???? You INSANE????

          December 13, 2013 at 4:00 pm |
      • jon wilson

        Who cares who made God? The fact is we exist therefore something had to create us and everything else. We can't exist by some random chance. That would be like shaking a bunch of small parts in a box and expecting a Rolex to come out.

        December 13, 2013 at 12:52 pm |
        • Blessed are the Cheesemakers

          God would be more complex than the universe is...so God must have been created too. At least according to the logic you used here.

          December 13, 2013 at 1:43 pm |
      • vonn

        God has always been... Things of this world pass.. The human mind cannot understand this and never will that is why the Bible says Gods ways are foolish to man.. Also God says my ways are not the worlds way.. The worlds way is what is seen..Gods way is Walk by Faith not by sight this is truth..But many will be lost..

        December 13, 2013 at 1:37 pm |
    • Joey

      Rocks didn't exist at the time of the Big Bang.

      December 13, 2013 at 1:01 pm |
  14. David

    Ill take a sledgehammer and break every piece of the statue that is devoted to satan

    December 13, 2013 at 9:55 am |
    • Blessed are the Cheesemakers

      Why not just let your god take care of it?

      December 13, 2013 at 10:01 am |
    • truthprevails1

      Wow, bet you'd scream if someone did that to those commandments...how very christian of you to be so disrespectful-keep giving your ilk a bad name.

      December 13, 2013 at 10:05 am |
      • lol??

        Betting is for injuns. 'Sides, "Scream no jokes."

        December 13, 2013 at 10:20 am |
  15. lol??

    The Satanists only have to remember one thing. From wiki on history of Latin,

    ".................The humanists condemned the large body of medieval Latin literature as "gothic" – for them, a term of abuse – and believed instead that only ancient Latin from the Roman period was "real Latin"...................."

    December 13, 2013 at 7:32 am |
  16. saggyroy

    A Hindu group is applying to have a statue of their god Hanuman displayed next to the 10 commandments. From the Huffington Post: "...the monkey king, is an important deity in Hinduism, the world’s third largest faith. He is most popular among devotees of the avatar Lord Ram and others following a devotional path."

    Gosh didn't see that one coming....

    December 13, 2013 at 6:11 am |
    • lol??

      Throwing a fourth mystical monkey into the group will cause confusion amongst their troop. Course, there's always three blind mice. See how they run, for office.

      December 13, 2013 at 7:43 am |
    • lol??

      Okay OK, it goes like this, "See no jokes, hear no jokes, speak no jokes." The straight fourth monkeys says, "Laugh no jokes!"

      December 13, 2013 at 7:54 am |
    • Saraswati

      Good for them. I REALLY want someone to propose quotes from the Quaran. Someone?

      December 13, 2013 at 9:36 am |
  17. Scene 25

    HEAD KNIGHT: Nee!
    Nee!
    Nee!
    Nee!
    ARTHUR: Who are you?
    HEAD KNIGHT: We are the Knights Who Say... Nee!
    ARTHUR: No! Not the Knights Who Say Nee!
    HEAD KNIGHT: The same!
    BEDEMIR: Who are they?
    HEAD KNIGHT: We are the keepers of the sacred words: Nee, Pen, and
    Nee-wom!
    RANDOM: Nee-wom!
    ARTHUR: Those who hear them seldom live to tell the tale!
    HEAD KNIGHT: The Knights Who Say Nee demand a sacrifice!
    ARTHUR: Knights of Nee, we are but simple travellers who seek the
    enchanter who lives beyond these woods.
    HEAD KNIGHT: Nee! Nee! Nee! Nee!
    ARTHUR and PARTY: Oh, ow!
    HEAD KNIGHT: We shall say 'nee' again to you if you do not appease us.
    ARTHUR: Well, what is it you want?
    HEAD KNIGHT: We want... a shrubbery!
    [dramatic chord]
    ARTHUR: A what?
    HEAD KNIGHT: Nee! Nee!
    ARTHUR and PARTY: Oh, ow!
    ARTHUR: Please, please! No more! We shall find a shrubbery.
    HEAD KNIGHT: You must return here with a shrubbery or else you will
    never pass through this wood alive!
    ARTHUR: O Knights of Nee, you are just and fair, and we will return
    with a shrubbery.
    HEAD KNIGHT: One that looks nice.
    ARTHUR: Of course.
    HEAD KNIGHT: And not too expensive.
    ARTHUR: Yes.
    HEAD KNIGHTS: Now... go!

    -Monty Python

    December 13, 2013 at 3:34 am |
    • saggyroy

      "I like the Laurels particularly..."

      December 13, 2013 at 6:14 am |
  18. ji

    church of satan?? What's their statement of faith?? What's their mission?? good or evil??

    December 13, 2013 at 3:04 am |
    • saggyroy

      It doesn't matter. Must I remind you that in the bible Yaweh killed more people than Satan?

      December 13, 2013 at 6:05 am |
      • kermit4jc

        Yes...God has every right over the life he gives

        December 13, 2013 at 6:51 am |
        • Ponyboy Garfunkel

          He's a lot like a kid with an ant farm.

          December 13, 2013 at 7:22 am |
        • kermit4jc

          And what makes you think so?

          December 13, 2013 at 11:39 am |
        • Blessed are the Cheesemakers

          Funny how Objective Morality goes out the window so fast when applied to your god.

          December 13, 2013 at 9:22 am |
        • kermit4jc

          What do you mean?

          December 13, 2013 at 11:40 am |
        • Blessed are the Cheesemakers

          According to the concept of 'Objective Morality' murder is always wrong....except when your god does it.

          December 13, 2013 at 1:36 pm |
        • kermit4jc

          MURDER is defined as UNLAWFUL taking of LIFE.....show me that God has NIO right to take life that HE gives..WE are not God..we have no right over life..we are only humans...we don't give life (sure we give BIRTH) but we are NOT the source of that life

          December 13, 2013 at 4:02 pm |
        • Blessed are the Cheesemakers

          Murder is the unjustified taking of life. Killing innocent people, babies, children ect. is by definition unjustified. Claiming your god can do as he pleases rules out "Objective Morality".

          Try again.

          December 13, 2013 at 5:17 pm |
        • kermit4jc

          Oh...so you wanna change the meanings to suit your needs too? YOU are not of perfect morality....who are YOu to judge what objective morality is? Prove that God is NOT justified in taking the life of babies and taking them to heaven.

          December 13, 2013 at 6:50 pm |
        • Blessed are the Cheesemakers

          I didn't change THE definition, your definition is not THE definition. I gave a better definition. Your definition begs the question of what is "unlawful". My definition doesn't. All you are arguing for is the concept of "might makes right". I don't think might does make right. If you want to worship what equates to a supreme dictator go ahead. But you don't get to claim there is "Objective Morality" at the same time. Objective Morality means that certain actions are wrong regardless of the circ.umstance.

          December 13, 2013 at 7:14 pm |
        • kermit4jc

          What dictator....and again please answer the question...Prove that God is UNJUSTIFIED in taking life.

          December 13, 2013 at 7:15 pm |
        • Ponyboy Garfunkel

          The Cheesemaker is right. You might find Plato's "Euthyphro Dilemma" to be interesting. You can get the basic idea at Wikipedia.

          December 13, 2013 at 7:24 pm |
        • kermit4jc

          Actually not at all....as I saiud..IM waiting for proof God is NOT justified in taking the life he gives...

          December 13, 2013 at 7:26 pm |
        • Blessed are the Cheesemakers

          Is killing an innocent person right or wrong?

          It is a simple question if Objective Morality exists.

          December 13, 2013 at 7:28 pm |
        • kermit4jc

          is killing an innnnocent person by WHOM right or wrong..its a matter of PERSEPECTIVE..we have no right to take life ofbabies..we are not the giver and sustainers of life..we are NOT judge..only Godis

          December 13, 2013 at 10:40 pm |
        • Ponyboy Garfunkel

          If there is objective morality, it is wrong to kill an innocent person. If God kills an innocent person, he is immoral.

          If killing an innocent person is just because God says so, there is no objective morality.

          December 13, 2013 at 7:48 pm |
        • Blessed are the Cheesemakers

          Exactly Ponyboy, but kermit wants to take the position Objective Morality exists but his god is exempted from Objective Morality. Then he tries to shift his burden of his claim back by trying to make me prove his god is NOT justified. My proof is in the statement "killing innocent people wrong". I think he needs to prove why that statement is not always true. Of course if he does that he then proves Objective morality does not exist.

          December 13, 2013 at 7:58 pm |
        • kermit4jc

          we ALL die....God takes ALL of our lives..innocent or not....let me ask you this...is it immoral for God to take those babies to heaven? YOu have to show it is IMMORAL for GOD to take their lives...you cant compare HUMAN morality with GODS morality..after all.we are IMPERFECT....we are NOT the sustainers of lives...you still are not showing me that God isNOT justified to take the lives of innocent babies..show me how it is imoral

          December 13, 2013 at 10:38 pm |
        • Blessed are the Cheesemakers

          kermit,

          Just answer the question. Is ending the life of an innocent person moral?

          Is this really a difficult question? The fact that you refuse to answer is more than telling.

          As far as my answer goes...yes it is immoral to end an innocent persons life. I don't care who does it. I think you are the one who needs to justify why that bit of morality does not apply to your god.

          December 13, 2013 at 11:56 pm |
        • kermit4jc

          AGAIN it depends on PERSPECTIVE....taking an innocent life done by a RIGHTEOUS PERFECT HOLY JUST GOD..or killing of an innocent done by imperfect human being who is no standard of morality? BY humans who are not righteous and perfect..it is immoral..by a HOLY and PERFECT RIGHTEOUS JUDGE..its moral

          December 14, 2013 at 1:56 am |
        • Blessed are the Cheesemakers

          And therefore Objective morality does not exist. I am glad you finally admitted my point.

          I also find it intersesting that Christians such as yourself often argue that god does not want to violate our free will to believe by giving us empirical evidence of his existence...but apparently that same god has no issue in violating free in killing innocents.

          December 14, 2013 at 2:38 am |
        • kermit4jc

          sounds as if you are implying death is the end of it all.....if we are arguing about God and such..there is an after life..youthink that God taking the lives of babies is terrible and will end with nothing?

          December 14, 2013 at 2:52 am |
        • Blessed are the Cheesemakers

          kermit,

          The ends don't justify the means. I don't care if the innocents get to go to heaven...According to your theology and logic Andrea Yates was a good mother. (If you don't know who she is look her up).

          December 14, 2013 at 3:15 am |
        • kermit4jc

          ahhh NOT at all! Andrea Yates was not told by God to kill hr chilen! first of all..YOURE presuming MUCh about MY beliefs and what the BIBLE says...the killing of the innocents in the bIble was a SPECIzfic ONZE TIME EVENT..not something that goes on generation after generation....there was a specific mission here...the Children of Israel taking over the Land and bringing judgment on Canaan.....you are arguing out of ignorance of the bible and my beliefs (my logic)

          December 14, 2013 at 3:24 am |
        • kermit4jc

          SO it isn't according to MY theology..its according to your ignorance of what you assume MY theology to be

          December 14, 2013 at 3:25 am |
        • Blessed are the Cheesemakers

          Doesn't matter, those kids are in heaven according to christianity. If it is true, Andrea Yates is a wonderful mother. She completely sacrificed herself. More than you god did. Ends justify the means.

          December 14, 2013 at 3:34 am |
        • kermit4jc

          youre getting yourswlf all confused now...Yates is no good mother....she had no reason to kill her children..God did not ask of them..she had no right to do so

          December 14, 2013 at 3:38 am |
        • Blessed are the Cheesemakers

          Kermit,

          Where did her kids end up? Heaven right? So their mother made absolutely sure they went to heaven and is spending eternity with your god. Why shouldn't she be considered a good mother?

          December 14, 2013 at 11:53 am |
        • kermit4jc

          IT was NOT up to Yates to decide to kill her children! You seem to not have any reading com[prehension..I made that perfectly clear..SHE is NOT God...she is nOT one to decide such fates..ONLY God is

          December 16, 2013 at 4:04 pm |
  19. oo oo

    Idiots united under THE IDIOT, big mama

    December 13, 2013 at 2:26 am |
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