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Satanists want statue next to 10 Commandments
A Ten Commandments monument erected outside the Oklahoma state Capitol.
December 9th, 2013
01:46 PM ET

Satanists want statue next to 10 Commandments

By Daniel Burke, CNN Belief Blog Co-Editor
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(CNN) - Lots of lawmakers have been accused of devilish behavior, but Oklahoma's state capitol may become the first to actually have a monument to Satan.

If a New York-based group called the Temple of Satan gets its way, a statue of the Evil One would sit next to the recently erected 10 Commandments monument on state capitol grounds.

"They said they wanted to be open to different monuments," said Lucien Greaves, a spokesman for the Temple of Satan, "and this seems like a perfect place to put that to the test."

Greaves and some legal experts say the Constitution is clear: the government can't endorse one particular religion. So, if a state capitol has a monument to one faith, it must allow monuments to others as well.

The Temple of Satan is less a religious body organized around rituals and regular meetings than a roving band of political provocateurs, said Greaves. They believe Satan is a "literary construct," the spokesman said, not an actual being with horns and hooves.

Last year, the Temple organized a gay and lesbian kiss-in at the gravesite of the mother of anti-gay preacher and activist the Rev. Fred Phelps. It also held a rally at Florida's state capitol in support of a law that allows "inspirational messages" at public school assemblies.

"It allows us to spread the message of Satanism," which centers around respect for diversity and religious minorities, said Greaves.

Oklahoma legislators voted to erect the Ten Commandments monument in 2009, using private funds donated by Rep. Mike Rietz, a surgeon and Southern Baptist deacon.

Rietz declined to comment on the Satanists' proposal on Monday, citing an separate and ongoing dispute with the American Civil Liberties Union over the Ten Commandments monument.

Oklahoma state Rep. Bob Cleveland told CNN that he's not in favor of the Satanist's proposed statue.

"I believe that only monuments that reflect Oklahoma values should be allowed on capitol the capitol grounds," Cleveland said in an e-mail on Monday.

But if Christians and Jews can have their monument to the 10 Commandments, then Satanists must be allowed to erect their own statue, said Brady Henderson, legal director of the American Civil Liberty Union's Oklahoma chapter.

"We feel like the Satanic Temple has a very strong argument to say that, if the state allows one religious monument, you have to allow others," Henderson said.

Oklahoma's statehouse grounds already has monuments honoring its heritage and Native American history, said Trait Thompson, chair of the Capitol Preservation Commission.

"Individuals and groups are free to apply to place a monument or statue or artwork," Thompson said.

The commission then determines whether the proposal abides by its standards and votes on whether to approve it.

Greaves said he's received the required forms from Oklahoma's Capitol Preservation Commission and is working on a design that will meet its standards.

"We want something big and bold that will be able to stand up to the weather or whatever other kinds of assaults," that may target the monument, he said.

"My favorite idea right now is an object of play for children. We want kids to see that Satanism is where the fun is."

The Temple of Satan created a Indiegogo fundraising page on Monday, but have thus far only publicly raised $150 towards its goal of $20,000.

Not all Satanist groups see the fun in political provocations.

Magus Peter Gilmore, head of the Church of Satan, which was founded by Anton LaVey in 1966, said he believes in strict separation of church and state.

"Rather than placing multiple 'advertisements' for various religions, we think it best for the (10 Commandments) monument to be removed to private property and that there be no objects supporting religion of any sort placed on the statehouse grounds," Gilmore said.

Earlier this year, Gilmore's Church of Satan squared off against a British group of Satanists over abortion rights, after activists shouted "Hail Satan" to drown out anti-abortion activists at the Texas state capitol.

READ MORE: Satanists square off on abortion (Yes, really)

- CNN Religion Editor

Filed under: Belief • Church and state • Culture wars • Devil • Satanism

soundoff (3,610 Responses)
  1. Danny

    Wake up! A satanic statue is permitted because a law, written by MAN, says we should allow all religions freedom to promote themselves?!

    Unbelievable. Although, after reading the Bible and watching the extreme down slide of morality in this world, it's not surprising ... Bound to happen with satan as ruler of this world and ppl refusing to accept the one true God. But come on people! Take a stand for what we KNOW is RIGHT and wrong. This is beyond wrong.

    Praise be to the one true Lord, Jesus Christ!

    December 16, 2013 at 2:44 pm |
    • doobzz

      "A satanic statue is permitted because a law, written by MAN, says we should allow all religions freedom to promote themselves?!"

      Yes, that's right. Everyone gets their say on government property, or no one gets their say. If you don't like how the US Consti.tution was written, feel free to move to the theocracy of your choice. I hear the Somalian coast is lovely this time of year.

      December 16, 2013 at 5:15 pm |
    • Ponyboy Garfunkel

      Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion...

      Now, go back to sleep, Danny.

      December 16, 2013 at 6:55 pm |
    • EnjaySea

      If you think this is wrong Danny, then you've begun to understand why we atheists are offended by the imposition of your religion all throughout this country.

      Drink it in.

      December 16, 2013 at 7:23 pm |
      • lol??

        What wickedness are you being deprived of?? The Beast is doin' a swell job with what the pwogwessives have already demanded.

        December 16, 2013 at 9:40 pm |
        • EnjaySea

          I don't believe in your "beast".

          Furthermore, your use of the word "pwogwessives" does nothing to emphasize your derision.

          December 17, 2013 at 2:39 pm |
    • myweightinwords

      Which part is it that has you so upset? The fact that man created a law? Or the fact that the people expect that law to be upheld?

      Or is it the fact that the US is not a theocracy ruled by the draconian rules of your holy book?

      December 17, 2013 at 9:28 am |
      • kermit4jc

        What is draconian about thou shall not murder, thou shall respect your parents, thou shall not covet your neighbors belongings? thou shall not steal, thou shall not commit adultery?

        December 17, 2013 at 12:19 pm |
        • Andy

          Oh, so you're just going to pick the ones that most people agree on? There are lots of other rules, too, you know.

          December 17, 2013 at 12:21 pm |
        • kermit4jc

          BUT not all rules apply! There is no Temple..thus we do not clean ourselves up from blood or such...we have a system of welfare set in today that's better than those times (we have computers, they dont) SHowme a law thatI as a CHRISTIAN in AMerica should be following? Jesus said to LOVE God and Love our neighbor for the law and the prophets hangon these two things..if I love my neighbor I am nOT going to steal or covet...etc.

          December 17, 2013 at 12:25 pm |
        • myweightinwords

          If that were all of it, it wouldn't be draconian, would it?

          If you're arguing that that is all the bible demands, you clearly haven't studied it fully.

          December 17, 2013 at 2:21 pm |
        • kermit4jc

          I not only study it..I teach it to adults..I did not say that was all of it either

          December 17, 2013 at 10:40 pm |
        • Ponyboy Garfunkel

          They just aren't that profound, nor particularly original. Simply toss the first three and add "Thou shalt not enslave other humans," and you have already improved them greatly. Then try adding "Thou shalt treat men and women as equals," and "Thou shalt not abuse children," and you begin to see what thin soup the original ten truly are.

          December 17, 2013 at 6:24 pm |
        • kermit4jc

          They ARE to be treated as equals..nothing in the Bible demands to treat humans any less...male,female, colored...etc. ALL humans are made in GODS image..THAT gives them worth right there

          December 17, 2013 at 10:42 pm |
        • kermit4jc

          ANd as I previously stated...LOVE one another...Jesus told us to love others as outselves..if I love my neighbor..I will not steal from him..etc etc etc

          December 17, 2013 at 10:43 pm |
        • A. Reasoner

          And what does the bible say the punishment is breaking the rules? Sounds pretty draconian to me. Both the commandments and the punishments demonstrate what a second-hand religion christianity is.

          December 17, 2013 at 8:41 pm |
        • kermit4jc

          which punishment you referring to..hell??

          December 17, 2013 at 10:44 pm |
        • Andrew Caudell

          "Thou shalt not make unto thee any graven image, or any likeness of any thing that is in heaven above..."

          Well you MUST be right when you say not all the rules apply, because whichever Pope commissioned the painting of the Sistine Chapel completely ignored the 2nd Commandment by having Michelangelo paint a likeness of God himself on its ceiling. The complete and utter hypocrisy of the Christian clergy never ceases to amaze me. If the Second Commandment doesn't apply then why should any of them? Who

          December 17, 2013 at 10:21 pm |
        • kermit4jc

          first..IM mnot catholic.....second.....it is referring to making graven images to WORSHIP and bow to....not merley making pictures and statues...when they are used to be worshipped instead of the real deal...then you got a problem

          December 17, 2013 at 10:45 pm |
    • Pete

      Relax, Danny. They just want to put up a "fun" statue for the kids. Just for the hell of it.

      December 17, 2013 at 10:29 am |
    • eastsidechicana

      Amen & amen. One day everyone will see their judgement, rather they believe it or not. We'll be in Christ glory.

      December 17, 2013 at 10:29 pm |
  2. Ruth E

    If one religious symbol, talisman, monument is erected anywhere on community (city, county, state, federal) property, then every other religion should also have a monument erected to share their religious/non religious views. Our country was founded on the principals of religious freedom, or freedom to not worship if that is what you so choose.

    December 16, 2013 at 2:00 pm |
  3. Child of God

    Inmates in jail have been rehabilitated because of Bible study in prison. If only it were allowed in schools, the people would have never ended up in jail to begin with. Everyone, teach your children morals and values from the Bible or were gonna be in a real mess when they grow up.

    December 16, 2013 at 12:49 pm |
    • Doc Vestibule

      Countries with a high percentage of nonbelievers are among the freest, most stable, best-educated, and healthiest nations on earth. When nations are ranked according to a human-development index, which measures such factors as life expectancy, literacy rates, and educational attainment, the five highest-ranked countries – Norway, Sweden, Australia, Canada, and the Netherlands – all have high degrees of nonbelief. Of the fifty countires at the bottom of the index, all are intensly religious. The nations with the highest homicide rates tend to be more religious; those with the greatest levels of gender equality are the least religious.

      December 16, 2013 at 1:03 pm |
    • cedar rapids

      The US is the most religious western country by a huge margin......it also happens to the nation with the largest jail population as well.

      December 16, 2013 at 1:13 pm |
    • doobzz

      Inmates know what parole boards want to hear.

      Teaching xtianity in public schools is unconstitutional. But if it does get taught, I'm sure you won't mind when Islam, Judaism, Buddhism, Hinduism, Satanism, and all the other isms are taught alongside. And of course, that none of them are real, atheism.

      December 16, 2013 at 1:24 pm |
      • Child of God

        Actually the Big Bang is taught in school. There should be the creation story from the Bible too and morals should be taught in school at least because today's parents don't seem to teach their kids any.

        December 16, 2013 at 4:29 pm |
        • doobzz

          Well, who's fault is it if these xtian parents don't brainwash their own children into being good or else they'll fry?

          It's not up to the taxpayers to fund your religion in the public schools and to teach your fantasies as science.

          If the bible's creation story is told, along with other religion's creation and other supernaturally based stories, as part of a religious studies program, that's fine. It's always good for students to learn that not everyone believes the same things that their family does.

          Likewise, treating others as you wish to be treated should, and usually is, taught in all classrooms. Not because Jeebus said so or he'll hurt you, but because that's a beneficial way to act for all humans.

          If you want your kids to learn about your myths, teach them at home or send them to a religious school.

          December 16, 2013 at 5:11 pm |
  4. oo oo

    Never known his love

    December 16, 2013 at 12:02 pm |
    • oo oo

      His presence

      December 16, 2013 at 12:04 pm |
    • Child of God

      Ask with a pure heart and you will receive.

      December 16, 2013 at 12:34 pm |
      • igaftr

        I tried that for decades...nothing but static.

        December 16, 2013 at 12:37 pm |
        • Child of God

          I prayed for you. I couldn't get as close to God as I wanted until I started reading the Bible. It really helps.

          December 16, 2013 at 12:44 pm |
        • igaftr

          CoG
          I didn't get you anything either.

          December 16, 2013 at 12:52 pm |
        • Fan2C

          Child of God
          " I couldn't get as close to God as I wanted until I started reading the Bible. It really helps."

          Yes, those ancient Israelites did have a flair for dramatic, rhapsodic writing. Many of their descendants are today's best-selling fiction authors and screenwriters. There is just no verifiable evidence that their drama, fantasies and superst-itions are real.

          December 16, 2013 at 12:58 pm |
  5. roger

    Separation of church and state. Nuff said.

    December 16, 2013 at 8:57 am |
  6. lol??

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    They could show the wurld how schmart they are by cleaning up the dead zone in the Gulf of Mexico instead of singing and dancing for death. Maybe join the Masons and have a parade float, "Satanists First!!" HHHHmm, would that be covered under gay satanist??

    December 16, 2013 at 7:02 am |
  7. Patrick

    The laws of this country and most countries, are based on the ten commandments. That is why we honor them and they come from the Creator not from any other. It doesn't matter what you believe, the Ten commandments are the foundation of all laws.that is a fact. Those of you who have no faith, I feel sorry for you but you can't change history. I will pray for all of you.

    December 15, 2013 at 7:31 pm |
    • Ponyboy Garfunkel

      Commandments 1-5 would be of no use in establishing laws in a free society. Commandments 6 and 8 are obvious and no society, including those that predate Exodus, survived without them. Commandment 7 can not and should not be enforced in a free society. Commandment 9 is a good one. Commandment 10 is no good because we can not and should not punish thought crime.

      December 15, 2013 at 8:25 pm |
    • Observer

      Patrick,

      Actually READ the 10 Commandments so you won't be so CLUELESS as to what they say.

      December 15, 2013 at 11:50 pm |
    • doobzz

      Oh, good grief. Our laws are not based on the ten commandments.

      1. I am the LORD thy God… Thou shalt have no other gods before me.

      Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof;

      So, nope on commandment 1.

      2. Thou shalt not make unto thee any graven image, or any likeness of any thing that is in heaven above, or that is in the earth beneath, or that is in the water under the earth.

      Nope on this one too. Lots of graven images everywhere.

      3. Thou shalt not take the name of the LORD thy God in vain.

      Congress shall make no law] abridging the freedom of speech.

      Nope on #3.

      4. Remember the sabbath day.

      Nope on this one, too.

      5. Honour thy father and thy mother.

      A good idea, but calling your daddy a poopyhead isn't against the law. You can't beat your parents up, or abuse them but you can't do that to anyone, so nope on this one.

      6. Thou shalt not kill.

      This one actually is one of our laws, but murder is expressly forbidden by the Code of Ur-Nammu is the oldest known law code surviving today, c. 2100–2050 BC, several centuries before Moses.

      7. Thou shalt not commit adultery.

      In the United States, adultery laws vary from state to state. In 2013, adultery was a criminal offense in 22 states.[59] In those states where adultery is still on the statute books (although rarely prosecuted), penalties vary from life sentence (Michigan)[61] to a $10 fine (Maryland)[62] to a Class B misdemeanor (New York)[63] to a Class I felony (Wisconsin).[64] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Adultery

      See # 6. Nope on this one too.

      8. Thou shalt not steal.

      See #6. Nope.

      9. Thou shalt not bear false witness against thy neighbor.

      Lying is bad. But it's not against the law, unless you are committing fraud or lying while in an official capacity, in which case it's perjury, and it's illegal. Again, there are more ancient laws than the ten commandments about these. Nope.

      10. Thou shalt not covet thy neighbour’s house, thou shalt not covet thy neighbour’s wife, nor his manservant, nor his maidservant, nor his ox, nor his ass, nor any thing that is thy neighbor’s.

      Envy may be an ugly emotion, but it's not illegal. So nope on this one.

      December 16, 2013 at 12:39 am |
    • sam stone

      thou shalt not kill (a law)
      thou shalt not steal (a law)
      thou shall not bear false witness (only a law if under oath)

      so, patrick, 2 or possibly 3 of the ten commandments are laws

      our laws are hardly based on the ten commandments

      pray for us, if you wish

      we will think for you

      December 16, 2013 at 6:36 am |
    • cedar rapids

      'It doesn't matter what you believe, the Ten commandments are the foundation of all laws.that is a fact.'

      Not even close to being a fact.

      December 16, 2013 at 1:15 pm |
  8. Abby

    Look at how many peoples lives have changed after accepting Jesus. The proof is there. There are many lukewarm false Christians and they make us all look bad but there are many true Christians and I'm one who wouldn't be here today without Him. I love you Jesus. Forgive the unbelievers for they don't know no better. Open their hearts so they won't perish.

    December 15, 2013 at 7:00 pm |
    • Doc Vestibule

      Look at how many people's lives changed after accepting (INSERT RELIGION).

      December 16, 2013 at 8:46 am |
    • Not an idiot xian

      So, their lives get better after they turn their brains off? Ridiculous.

      December 16, 2013 at 8:55 am |
  9. Karen

    Cool! Where can I donate to see that a satan statue make its way to the Capitol? I'm non religious but don't want only a Christian representation.

    December 15, 2013 at 5:39 pm |
  10. Wondering

    Since the church of Satan wants religious freedom, I wonder if they will consider giving their donations to the Hindu churches to fund the Hanuman sculpture.

    1.) Freedom of religion message will still get across
    2.) They don't believe in the existence of Satan anyway.

    Maybe just my opinion but I think a Hanuman statue would actually be pretty awesome.

    December 15, 2013 at 5:21 pm |
  11. Dr James

    Jesus fulfilled 61 major and over 200 prophecies in his lifetime. The mathematical and scientific odds of any man fulfilling just 8 prophecies is almost impossible let alone over 200. That's science proving Jesus is the Messiah. Turn to him my friend. Every knee shall bow to him in the end but if you use your free will to accept him now, you can receive the gift of eternal life. Don't wait, not everyone gets time to repent on their death bed!

    December 15, 2013 at 2:35 pm |
    • Dr James

      Some fulfilled:
      Born in Bethlehem, called out if Egypt, grew up in Nazareth, rode on a donkey into Jerusalem, sold for 30 pieces of silver, betrayed by a friend, kept silent to his accusers at trial, and many more! Look it up on google or read the New Testament.

      December 15, 2013 at 3:00 pm |
      • doobzz

        As has been pointed out by others, the men who wrote the NT had full knowledge of those OT passages, so it would have been simple to write the story to "fulfill" them. In addition, many of the "prophecies" are so vahue that it would be impossible for them NOT to be fulfilled, like the claims that we are in the end times because of "wars and rumors of wars". Can you name any time in history that the world didn't have a war, or talk of war, going on somewhere? Or earthquakes? Or any of the other natural, governmental or social changes that could qualify as "prophecy"?

        December 15, 2013 at 5:30 pm |
        • Autumn

          Jesus did fulfill these prophecies and I'm sorry you have to come up with excuses to deny that. Israel becoming a nation again after 1900 years was a remarkable fulfilled prophecy. People like you said it would never happen but it did. And the end of the age will be characteristic of an increase of natural disasters like birth pains. Go look at an earthquake graph from the past 100 years, it looks just like the labor contraction monitor before birth.

          December 16, 2013 at 11:18 am |
        • doobzz

          What do you mean by "people like me"? How do you know what I said about Israel before I was born? Why did Jesus say he would come back within a generation when he didn't, and hasn't?

          Re: Earthquake graphs. Try taking a look at plate tectonics over the entire history of earth. The past 100 years are nothing compared to the shearing of the continents.

          December 16, 2013 at 12:12 pm |
        • Child of God

          Doobzz,
          The 1948 generation hasn't perished yet. He is coming very soon. The four blood moons begin this April and many other signs. He'll definitely be back within the next 20 years, the 1948 generation is getting older.

          December 16, 2013 at 12:33 pm |
        • doobzz

          That's not what Jesus said. He said he would be back before the generation living when the temple was destroyed in 70 AD was gone.

          December 16, 2013 at 1:06 pm |
        • igaftr

          CofG
          Definitely back within the next 20 years....for the last 2000 years there have been those like you who say the same thing. In 21 years, and it still hasn't happened, what then?

          December 16, 2013 at 12:42 pm |
        • cedar rapids

          'The four blood moons begin this April '

          Do you know what a 'blood moon' is? Its also known as the Hunter's moon and is the first full moon after the Harvest moon, and appears in October. There is no 'blood moon' in April.

          December 16, 2013 at 1:22 pm |
        • doobzz

          Well, now you're just being silly. Don't you know that god can make a blood moon in April if it fits the narrative?

          December 16, 2013 at 1:26 pm |
      • Doc Vestibule

        How about the other prophecies?
        Is there universal knowledge of one G-d? (Jeremiah 31:33, Zechariah 8:23, 14:9, 14:16, Isaiah 11:9, Isaiah 40:5, Zephaniah 3:9)
        Were all Jews returned to Israel? (Isaiah 43:5-6, Isaiah 11:12, Isaiah 27:12-13)
        Did he bring world peace? (Isaiah 11:6, Micah 4:3)
        Were all weapons destroyed? (Ezekiel 39:9)
        Did all warfare cease? (Isaiah 2:4)
        Was the Temple rebuilt in it’s place? (Ezekiel 37:24-28 Ezekiel 40-48, Isaiah 33:20, Micah 4:1)
        Did he bring physical restoration to all who are sick or disabled in any way? (Isaiah 35:5-6)
        Was he preceded by Elijah? (Malachi 3:23-24– 4:4-5 in KJV)
        Did the nations help the Jews materially? (Isaiah 60:5, 60:10-12, 61:6)
        Does eternal joy and gladness characterize the Jewish nation? (Isaiah 51:11)
        Are Jews sought for spiritual guidance? (Zechariah 8:23)
        Is the Egyptian river dry yet? (Isaiah 11:15)
        Do trees in Israel yield new fruit every month? (Ezekiel 47:12)
        Did each tribe receive it’s inheritance? (Ezekiel 47:13-14)
        Is the enemy buried? (Ezekiel 39:12)
        Did he accomplish these tasks without tiring or failing? (Isaiah 42:4)
        Did death cease? (Isaiah 25: 8)
        Are the dead resurrected? (Isaiah 26:19, Daniel 12:2, Ezekiel 37:12-13)

        December 16, 2013 at 12:32 pm |
        • Child of God

          Those prophecies will be fulfilled during the tribulation and in the millenium after Christs return. It's in Revelation, and it's easy to understand when you ask God to reveal it. Others don't see what Christians see in the Bible because they don't have a pure heart and God has hidden it from them.

          December 16, 2013 at 12:38 pm |
        • Doc Vestibule

          “Children, it is the last hour; and just as you heard that antichrist is coming, even now many antichrists have appeared; from this we know that it is the last hour.”
          —1 John 2:18
          Christians have been waiting on tenterhooks for the Second Coming since the Bible itself was written.
          Many have prophesied the exact time of date of His return and ALL have been wrong.
          George Rapp said it would be September 15th, 1829.
          William Miller predicted October 22, 1844. Jesus’ failure to arrive is known as “The Great Disappointment”. Many of his disillusioned followers went on the found the 7th Day Adventist Church, who are still patiently awaiting His return.
          Charles Russell, 1st President of the Watchtower Society told his fellow Jehovah’s Witnesses that Jesus would be back in 1874.
          Rudolf Steiner maintained that from 1930 onwards, Jesus would grant certain people psychic powers to enable them to witness his presence in the “etheric plane”.
          Herbert Armstrong, Pastor General of the Worldwide Church of God said 1975.
          Bill Maupin managed to convince his followers to sell all of their worldly goods in preparation for Jesus’ return on June 28th, 1981.
          Benjamin Crème stated that on June 21st, 1982 Christ would make a worldwide television announcement.
          Mark Blitz, Pastor of El Shaddai Ministries says it would be September 30th, 2008
          Jerry Falwell said it’d happen between 1999 and 2009.
          Harold Camping told everyone that the Rapture would happen May 21, 2011 after failing in his first predicted date of 1994.

          Conversely, many believe He’s all ready come in the form of Sun Myung Moon, Emanuel Swedenborg, Baha u llah, Mirza Ghulam Ahmad, David Koresh, Hailie Selassie, John Thom, Arnold Potter, William Davies, George roux, Ernest Norman, Krishna Venta, Ahn Sahng-Hong, Jim Jones, Mashall Applewhite, Hulon Mitchell, Wayne Bent, Ariffin Mohammed, Mitsuo Matayoshi, Jose Luis de Jesus Miranda, Inri Cristo, Thomas Provenzano, David Icke, Shoko Asahara, Hogan Fukinaga, Marina Tsvigun or Sergei Troop.

          It would appear that the much lauded Jewish carpenter has been thoroughly dead for 2000 years and will remain so.

          December 16, 2013 at 12:47 pm |
        • doobzz

          "Others don't see what Christians see in the Bible because they don't have a pure heart and God has hidden it from them."

          Just like you can't see the golden plates unless you believe the golden plates are real.

          I thought god loves us even while we are "sinners" and wants us to know him. But now you're saying that he plays hide and seek unless I have a "pure heart", whatever that means.

          December 16, 2013 at 1:14 pm |
    • cedar rapids

      'Jesus fulfilled 61 major and over 200 prophecies in his lifetime. The mathematical and scientific odds of any man fulfilling just 8 prophecies is almost impossible let alone over 200. That's science proving Jesus is the Messiah.'

      No, thats proving the strength of artistic license once you have access to prophecies.

      December 16, 2013 at 1:19 pm |
  12. Serge Storms

    Here's a sentence I never thought I would read:

    "We want kids to see that Satanism is where the fun is."

    I'm an atheist but if the Satanists are elevating the fun level out there, maybe they're not all bad.

    December 15, 2013 at 9:19 am |
  13. L3ftBehind

    "I believe that only monuments that reflect Oklahoma values should be allowed on capitol the capitol grounds," Cleveland said in an e-mail on Monday".

    So he feels that only HIS religion speaks for EVERYONE in the state?

    December 14, 2013 at 5:33 am |
    • Blessed are the Cheesemakers

      That's right, majority rules for expressing religous values....only a small step away from a soft theocracy after that.

      December 14, 2013 at 11:33 am |
      • god

        And then if you don't BOW down to jesus you will be sent to concentration camps – so sayeth the christians

        December 14, 2013 at 7:07 pm |
  14. alakhtal

    "Hail Satan" Hallelujah Megyn Kelly "I couldn't agree with you more." I mean "I totally agree with you!" Jesus and Santa Claus ain’t Gods but White Biblical Characters. Black Jesus and Santa project entrepreneurs ain’t got chance to grab the biblical market. Everybody must watched Pope Francis presumably carrying a bible in his right-hand every time he’s preaching, would any black Christian prove it to me that it ain’t ‘Moby Dick’

    December 14, 2013 at 5:15 am |
  15. passing thoughts

    Maybe we are all collectively "Satan", each one of us part of a larger thing that is "the devil" or at the very least the fallen angels. Maybe the world we are in IS "hell" or at least the top level, the not so bad level. We are all here, we don't know why and it's bad enough. Are we here because we were good little souls....kind of doubt it. This earth may be our souls temporary punishment.

    I know, I know that falls dangerously close to "Xenu" category and body Thetans and so on. Just a thought.

    I have no proof of course, maybe that's part of our punishment. We have to try and figure out who we are/were and what we did to deserve all of this.

    Just a thought.

    December 14, 2013 at 4:59 am |
    • Bells

      Wise words and I absolutely agree with you because I have had the same thoughts. I'm glad I'm not the only person who has felt this way.

      December 16, 2013 at 12:57 am |
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