December 13th, 2013
09:30 AM ET

Call Jesus (or Santa) white? Expect a big fight

Opinion by Edward J. Blum, special to CNN

(CNN) - Fox News anchor Megyn Kelly sparked outrage this week by insisting that Jesus and Santa Claus are both white, saying it's "ridiculous" to argue that depicting Christ and St. Nick as Caucasian is "racist."

"And by the way, for all you kids watching at home, Santa just is white," Kelly said, "but this person is arguing that we should also have a black Santa."

Kelly was responding to an article in Slate that said St. Nick needs a makeover from fat, old white guy to something less "melanin-deficient."

The Fox News host would have none of it.

"Just because it makes you feel uncomfortable doesn't mean it has to change," Kelly said. "Jesus was a white man, too. It's like we have, he's a historical figure; that's a verifiable fact. As is Santa, I just want kids to know that. How do you revise it in the middle of the legacy, in the story, and change Santa from white to black?"

Arguing about St. Nick, who was originally Greek before Currier & Ives got their hands on him, is one thing. But as for Jesus, people have been arguing about his skin color since the earliest days of American history. You might even call it an American tradition.

What's new about this latest brouhaha is how swiftly Kelly’s remarks were attacked. Thousands of people have rebuked her through blogs, articles, Twitter posts and Facebook updates.

Comedian Jon Stewart accused Kelly of "going full Christmas nog."

“And who are you actually talking to?" Stewart said on "The Daily Show." "Children who are sophisticated enough to be watching a news channel at 10 o’clock at night, yet innocent enough to still believe Santa Claus is real — yet racist enough to be freaked out if he isn’t white?”

It seems that now, if you want to call Christ — or even Santa — white, you should expect a fierce fight.

The immediate and widespread rebuttal showcases how much America has changed over the past few decades. The nation not only has a black president, but also has refused to endorse the Christian savior as white.

Since the earliest days of America, Jesus was thought of as a white man.

When white Protestant missionaries brought Bibles and whitened images of Jesus to Native Americans, at least a few mocked what they saw.

Taking the imagery seriously, the Shawnee warrior Tecumseh asked future President William Henry Harrison, “How can we have confidence in the white people? When Jesus Christ came upon the earth you kill’d and nail’d him on a cross.”

It was not until around 1900 that a group of white Americans explicitly claimed Jesus was white.

Concerned that large numbers of immigrants from southern and eastern Europe, especially Jewish immigrants, were “polluting” the nation, anti-immigrant spokesmen like attorney Madison Grant asserted the whiteness of Jesus to justify calls for exclusionary legislation.

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Making Jesus white was a means to distance him from Judaism.

“In depicting the crucifixion no artist hesitates to make the two thieves brunet in contrast to the blond Savior,” Grant wrote in his xenophobic best-seller "The Passing of the Great Race."

“This is something more than a convention,” Grant continued, and suggested that Jesus had “Nordic, possibly Greek, physical and moral attributes.”

Even Martin Luther King Jr. claimed that Jesus was white, after being asked why God created Jesus as a white man.

King responded that the color of Christ’s skin didn’t matter. Jesus would have been just as important “if His skin had been black.” He “is no less significant because His skin was white.”

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Challenges to Christ’s whiteness have a long history, too.

Famed evangelist Billy Graham preached in the 1950s, and then wrote emphatically in his autobiography "Just As I Am," that, “Jesus was not a white man.”

But Graham was far from the first American to contradict the whiteness of Jesus. That honor goes to Methodist and Pequot Indian William Apess.

In 1833, he wrote to white Christians, “You know as well as I that you are not indebted to a principle beneath a white skin for your religious services but to a colored one.”

Almost 100 years later, the Jamaican born, “back-to-Africa” spokesman Marcus Garvey told his followers, “Never admit that Jesus Christ was a white man, otherwise he could not be the Son of God and God to redeem all mankind. Jesus Christ had the blood of all races in his veins.”

In our age, the color of Christ has become both politically dangerous and the butt of jokes.

In 2008, the Rev. Jeremiah Wright’s words “God damn America” and “Jesus was a poor black boy” almost derailed then-Sen. Barack Obama from winning the Democratic primary.

Now, Kelly bears the brunt of attacks and, in no surprise, was pilloried by comedians like Stewart and Stephen Colbert.

Few Americans went on public record against King when he asserted Jesus had white skin in the 1950s. Today, thousands upon thousands from virtually every race and tribe of Americans have taken Kelly’s words seriously and seriously disdained them.

All the chatter about Jesus being white (or not) shows how much America has changed. There used to be “whites’ only” restaurants and schoolrooms. Now, even Jesus cannot be called white without repercussions.

What the debate hides, however, is what Jesus of the Bible actually did and how he related to people.

The gospels are full of discussions about Jesus and bodies. He healed the blind and those who suffered from disease. He touched and was touched by the sick. His body was pierced by thorns, a spear and nails. And he died.

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The phenotype of Jesus was never an issue in the Bible. Neither Matthew, nor Mark, nor Luke, nor John mentioned Christ’s skin tone or hair color. None called him white or black or red or brown.

Obsessions about race are obsessions of our age, not the biblical one. When asked what mattered most, Jesus did not say his skin tone or body shape. He instructed his followers to “love the Lord your God with all your heart” and to “do unto others as you would have done unto you.”

Maybe this Christmas season, we can reflect not so much on whether or not Jesus was white and instead consider what it meant for him to be called the “light” of the world.

Edward J. Blum is the co-author of The Color of Christ: The Son of God and the Saga of Race in America. He can be followed on Twitter @edwardjblum. The views expressed in this column belong to Blum alone.

- CNN Religion Editor

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  1. Les Roark

    Why would those who know Him even deign to argue this "issue"?
    Jesus cares neither about blacks nor whites. He cares about saving people
    from their own individual evil natures.
    For those who don't know Him, what relevance to your fate?

    December 20, 2013 at 12:55 pm |
  2. LogicalOne

    People, lets get real. It's so childish and ignorant of most of you to debate the color of Santa and/or Jesus. It has never been proven (factually) that either of the two exist. You must remember that back thousands of years ago there were no major book publishing companies nor was there live news media outlets. But humans still had imaginations and many of those who could write, wrote stories. So to come along 500 or more years later and find an old script, it's sometimes difficult to determine if it was written fact or fiction. So until it's proven that a little bearded man can slide down chimneys and deliver goodies to homes all over the world in less than 24 hours, or that a bearded wooly haired man can be born of a virgin, wave his hand and turn water to wine and die-wake up-and ascend into the sky with people watching.... please stop letting silly TV personalities get you all worked up over something so stupid. Ho-Ho-Hoooo Merry X-mas.

    December 20, 2013 at 12:50 pm |
  3. Jack 2

    In reality, If jesus was real and from the middle east, I guess he was the color of the people there. Santa is imaginary so he's what ever color you imagine him to be.

    December 20, 2013 at 12:38 pm |
    • Dennis Castanares

      There, that said it succinctly, fairly, and that's really all there is. Thank you, Jack 2, for cutting through the noise.

      December 20, 2013 at 1:21 pm |
    • Former Xtian

      In reality, the only verified Jesus is the one I know from Brazil. He is real and I spoke with him yesterday. Yeah, lets debate the skin color of a mythology character. That makes sense!

      December 20, 2013 at 3:06 pm |
      • bowldsbrendonbboi7581

        Jesus, was real, there's no denying that. If you are no religious, I guess may say he was no prophet, but you can't deny he lived anymore than you can deny George Washington.

        December 20, 2013 at 3:09 pm |
  4. Bashful59

    ANYTHING, to create controversy in this day and age. Anything to keep hatred, bigotry, racism......ALL alive. Tis no wonder all of these things will NEVER die. What you witness here with 'SANTA', is but a small example of what keep divisiveness alive and very well. Just plain shut up about it. Santa has been with us for a long time..........WHO, really cares, when you get right down to it............everyone carries within his/her own heart about what and who Santa is. Leave it alone!!

    December 20, 2013 at 12:30 pm |
  5. C'mon People

    Everyone can argue whether or not Jesus black or white but all those who describe is skin tone came after He walked on the earth. To me, that can be equated to someone trying to describe what aliens do for fun on their planet. The bible refers to Jesus' looks see Revelations 1:15 "And his feet like unto fine brass, as if they burned in a furnace; and his voice as the sound of many waters." Things put in a furnace don't tend to come lighter than they went in so draw your own conclusions!

    December 20, 2013 at 11:28 am |
    • JosephS

      My conclusion would still be white skinned. His feet were darkened because he was in a mostly desert region where the sun would have made the ground hot to the touch. Thus, "burned like in a furnace".. or a hot desert floor. If he was black all over, it's unlikely this observation about his feet could be made.

      December 20, 2013 at 12:16 pm |
      • Former Xtian

        LOL. And all the apostles had blue eyes and blonde hair and were really named white American names like Peter, Paul, Joseph, etc...

        December 20, 2013 at 3:09 pm |
      • Just The Facts

        And how many people in history has ever been that well around the world and in every on earth? Which only proves my point that you are the biggest of liars. And your personal opinion don't mean a thing…

        January 21, 2014 at 12:33 am |
  6. Lisa Wallace

    I don't think Jesus was white or black really and by the way I am white. I think he was more like the skin color of the Arabians of that day. Everybody you see throughout that region has a darker skin color between white and black. So Jesus was not pale white nor a dark black person but somewhere in the middle to represent all skin colors. To worry or be concerned over skin color is just plain wrong and I know some would say it is for historical significance. To prove that one race was connected to Jesus screams of exclusivism and one racing wanting to claim they are the chosen race but its not about race at all it is about the Jews as they were his chosen people according to the bible. I choose to believe that if you believe that Jesus is the son of God then he was for all people and not just the Jews. I would like to think that Jesus was sent here not to just die for our sins but to show the world love, hope, kindness and all the other virtues that mankind needed to learn. The one thing that confuses me now that I think of it, if the Jews were Jesus chosen people then why don't the Jewish culture not believe he is the chosen one? I practice spirituality and not follow any type of organized religion so I don't profess to know it all nor to be a scholar but a simple woman who believes in love, hope, faith and more of what Jesus taught us as well as other central figures in other religions had to offer. As I don't believe everybody is right all the time but always has something to offer. I try to find good in everyone even though some people seem to be pure evil in their souls. All we can do is pray for them ask for others to pray for me and my family. May you receive all the blessing needed then pray to send some my way. I will pray for blessings at 200 percent so I can take what I need and share the other 150 percent.
    Sending blessings to you,

    December 20, 2013 at 8:30 am |
    • Sue

      Do you think that the people who argue strongest that Jesus was white recognize arabs as white too?

      December 20, 2013 at 9:44 am |
      • bowldsbrendonbboi7581

        Arabs were brown, get over it, and Santa Claus is fake. I could call him green if I wanted. Sorry to mess up your Christmas, but aint no one coming down that chimney.

        December 20, 2013 at 12:05 pm |
      • JosephS

        To both of you, Jesus wasn't Arab, he was Jewish. He may have been brownish, but he was probably not black since he wasn't from Africa. Depending on how brown he was, you could make an argument for white or brown. Considering the heat of that region of the world, let's just call him tan and enjoy our Christmas!

        December 20, 2013 at 12:21 pm |
        • bowldsbrendonbboi7581

          Lol, you are right about Jewish, I was speaking wholly from a regional perspective. Still, they said expect a fight, so I felt like fighting, lol

          December 20, 2013 at 12:53 pm |
        • Piccolo

          I hate to tell you this but most arabs are semites as well.

          December 20, 2013 at 3:04 pm |
        • Just The Facts

          While he was here, Jesus Christ did plenty of things to prove he was the son of God. And countless people in history were witnesses to his miracles. So what evidence do you have that he "wasn't" the son of God? Where is it? Any fool can say that he wasn't. But proving that he wasn't is a different matter altogether. And you haven't a shred of proof. All you have is your own personal opinion which don't mean a thing…

          And rest assured, you'll be much more than just worm food when you die. Your "body" might just be worm food. But your "soul" will continue on to hell…

          January 21, 2014 at 12:23 am |
        • Just The Facts

          In Santa… People like you are the biggest of liars, and you know it. The name Jesus Christ is a name that's written in every bible on earth. And there are billions of them. And that's not even including all the other books and references to him.

          January 21, 2014 at 12:25 am |
        • Just The Facts

          In Santa… People like you are the biggest of liars, and you know it. The name Jesus Christ is a name that's written in every bible on earth.

          January 21, 2014 at 12:27 am |
  7. orangeboy

    Readers of this comment chain might be interested in an app that allows exploring whether God really exists based on Bayes' theorem. Once we've established that God exists, we can ask what color his skin was.

    December 19, 2013 at 11:02 pm |
    • dreamhunk

      DNA Research Sheds Light On Ancestry of Ashkenazi Jews

      Oct. 8, 2013 — Many of the maternal ancestors of modern Ashkenazi Jews were European converts, according to a research project headed by a University of Huddersfield professor.


      December 20, 2013 at 8:22 am |
    • TasieSceptic

      the colour of god's skin?
      She wears the archetypical hijab and cannot be seen.

      December 20, 2013 at 9:14 am |
  8. john rosen

    Megyn Kelly is absolutely correct. Santa and Jesus always were and always will be white. MLK and Al Sharpton are black and always will be black. I don't understand these comments belittling blacks or any minority.

    December 19, 2013 at 8:16 pm |
    • RandyC

      I am ready for the fight: Jesus is white, so is Santa Claus. Both were indisputably real human beings, and all of the revisionist history that the left and the humanists try to vomit from their stained souls won't change these immutable details.

      December 19, 2013 at 8:38 pm |
      • Observing

        Every time I see posts like the two of yours I assume it's from someone on the left trying to demonize the right.

        December 19, 2013 at 9:02 pm |
      • dreamhunk

        95% of self-identified Jews are nothing more than White Europeans and have NO Semitic blood

        December 20, 2013 at 8:14 am |
      • ven

        it does not matter if God is white or colored because we are one with Him.Since the big bang we are already a part of Him.the components of the atoms and molecules formed after that is now experimentally found and proven in CERN laboratory in Switzerland,it is called the Higgs boson.,the God particle.After that we become what we are through guided evolution by Him.,there is no other convincing proof of our commonality with Him and everything else in the universe since that time 13.7 billion years ago.Animism,polytheism,monotheism,panthrotheism and all the isms are just tiny specks of parts of Him

        December 20, 2013 at 8:44 am |
        • aaron

          Are you really trying to combine christianity and darwanism?

          December 20, 2013 at 1:25 pm |
      • indyraseigo

        But Randy...Jews aren't white.

        December 20, 2013 at 11:45 am |
      • Religion is NOT healthy for children and other living things

        Is that a joke? OR, are you REALLY THAT ignorant? UNBELIEVABLE!

        December 20, 2013 at 12:46 pm |
  9. Opposing View

    Because Every Man Has "Free Will", No Man Has Any Excuse Not To Believe…

    In my previous post, "The Five Lies of An Atheist" (see previous page), I've already defeated all the atheists excuses. And that is all they ever were – just excuses atheists use to justify remaining an atheist. And to further underscore they are only excuses, consider the following:

    God gave every man "free will". As a consequence of that free will, every man has the ability to "will" his mind to believe anything, if he wants to, anything within reason (he can also will his mind to "disbelieve" something as well). In fact, that is precisely what many atheists have done. They have gone into their own minds and have "willed" themselves to believe in the lie that God doesn't exist. And this is despite the fact that evidence exists to the contrary (Jesus Christ, for example) they still believe that lie. Which only illustrates that what a person believes often has nothing to do with evidence or proof. But rather is more about what a person wants to believe or chooses to believe. Whatever a person "wants" to believe, they can often make themselves believe it. And that is one of the benefits of having free will…

    As for the "proof" or "evidence" which the atheists wants you to think is so important – such things are usually only a supporting element to what a person believes, and is rarely the source of that belief. For example, you can bet your bottom dollar that whatever person came up with the idea of the Big Bang theory, they had a belief in the theory first long before they found any evidence to support it. They had a belief first, then sought evidence to support it, in that order. Thus, when later some scientist told them, "the universe is expanding", they went, "Ah hah. That's the evidence I need. I knew I was right." And that is how it usually works – belief first, evidence later. For another good example, scientists have long believed in a so-called Higgs Bosom or "God Particle", even though they had never seen it. So they keep searching and searching and until they finally found something which seems to fit that description. Now they consider it as fact. Once again, that is how it usually works – they have a belief first, then find evidence later. Which only proves my point that atheists are liars when they say they cannot believe in God unless we show them proof first. Hogwash. Proof is not necessary to have a belief. The only reason they can't believe in God is only because they don't "want" to believe. There is no other reason. God gave every man "free will". And with his free will, man can "will" his mind to believe anything. So why can't the atheists "will" their minds to believe in God? Why can't they will their minds to believe in the preacher? Countless others have done it, and even children have done it, so why can't the atheists? Answer: It is because they don't "want" to. There is no other reason…

    And to further underscore it is only because they don't want to, it would be completely different if we were asking the atheists to believe in something for which there was no proof at all. Quite the contrary. There is plenty of evidence for them to base a belief on, with Jesus Christ himself being the greatest of that evidence. But even beyond Jesus Christ and beyond the many miracles he did, you have the testimony of "real world history" as proof, whereas the whole calendar of man was switched over form BC to AD in honor of Jesus Christ (the world would not have done that for an ordinary man). You have the "In God We Trust" quotation on the back of every $1 bill (the Federal Government would not have done that for a myth. When have they ever honored "Zeus" or "Thor"). You have the existence of "churches" all over the earth (and it was Jesus who started the first church; churches did not exist before his arrival). You have the existence of the Bible today, the Word of God, which didn't just come into existence when Jesus arrived, but contains books which were written thousand of years in advance and prophesying of his arrival (no other book in history has ever done that, predicted major world changing events that would later come true with perfect accuracy). Lastly, you have the testimony of countless millions who has followed the scriptures, has done what they say and has had spiritual results, results just like the bible says. All of those things are testimonies to the existence of the eternal God and is proof that God exists. Yet, the atheists still say they cannot believe. They are liars. They can't believe only because they don't "want" to believe. There is no other reason. Show me any atheist who says they "can't" believe but yet "want" believe, and I'll show you a liar…

    In conclusion, because of that singular ability – "free will" – which God gave all men, no man has any excuse not to believe in God. Every man on earth who has heard of Jesus Christ has the innate ability to believe in God – if he wants to. And that is the key – whether he wants to or not. If a man does not believe, it is only because he doesn't "want" to believe, and there is no other reason. And that is also the reason why all atheists shall be cast into the lake come Judgment Day. Because they are without excuse. They have free will just like the rest of us, and the Son of God has came to earth as proof. That is all they need to believe in God, and that is all they need to be saved. But if you refuse to believe for any reason at all, it is nothing more than an excuse. And it is an excuse which will not save you on Judgment Day…

    December 19, 2013 at 6:04 pm |
    • HotAirAce

      You have proven nothing except that you are severely mentally ill, that you suffer deep delusions and are incapable of facing reality. Seek professional help soon. Stay away from guns and sharp objects. Please take your medications as prescribed but stay away from other drugs.

      December 19, 2013 at 6:13 pm |
    • In Santa we trust

      Your previous post, "The Five Lies of An Atheist" (see previous page)has been soundly defeated by atheist responses.

      No evidence that a god exists or that Jesus was the son of a god.

      Monseigneur Georges Henri Joseph Édouard Lemaître, a Belgian priest, astronomer and professor of physics at the Université catholique de Louvain, was the first person to propose the theory of the expansion of the Universe. Hardly a preconceived anti-god idea – he was a catholic priest. btw Darwin was a believer until he understood what evolution meant.

      The fact that "In God We Trust" was added to the US currency in the 50's is not evidence of a god. The fact that there are believers is not evidence of a god. Ancient people did not understand eclipses, earthquakes, thunder, lightning, floods, tsunamis, etc. We understand them an don not need to attribute them to the whims of a god.
      I don't fall into any of your categories: 'don't "want" to believe' nor '"can't" believe' or '"want" to believe'; if you provide evidence of the non-circular variety not only would there be no atheists there would only be belief in one god.

      Basically you find a long-winded way to spout Pascal's Wager which is totally flawed.

      December 19, 2013 at 6:17 pm |
      • Salty Bob

        Wow people like you are the main reason the god myth continues, and continues to hamper the human race from achieving the future. Science is true knowledge believe in fairytales if you like but don't force it on everyone else.

        December 20, 2013 at 10:11 am |
    • sam stone

      free will and an omniscient god are not compatible, OV

      December 20, 2013 at 7:09 am |
    • sam stone

      Where would the truly pious and delusional like OV be without the Empty Proxy Threat?

      After all, it makes them feel all godly and such

      December 20, 2013 at 7:23 am |
    • Sue

      Opposing View
      This same "free will" allows that nobody has any excuse not to believe in any of the other gods, or Santa for that matter, either. So, do you believe in all of them, or is there something to suggest that one is more believable than the others, like evidence for example?

      December 20, 2013 at 8:19 am |
      • Opposing View

        Sue… Your argument has no basis. At no time have I claimed or suggested that anyone was "required" to believe in anything or everything just because one particular thing was either true or untrue. So you have no argument...

        December 20, 2013 at 9:07 pm |
    • ven

      it is clear from your argument that atheist are mostly scientsts who first create a theory and find a convenient explaination to defend it. Dont forget that without the succesfull philosophy of science adapted by centuries of research by this people and without guidance by God maybe you were not born and existing today because your grand parents grand parents died during the great plaques or dseases of the past.Had it not for improved medical science .But why God put religion as centerstage of evolution?because of the need for ideological evolution for the developement of morality,but it has its time or effectiveness limits,therefore it has to evolved too.You are guided because you suited for it,but dont be over judgemental because we are only scratching the surface of truth

      December 20, 2013 at 10:13 am |
      • Opposing View

        Ven… There is only one truth. And that is the truth which cometh from God. And what you described is not it. Science is good but only up to a point. The moment science starts making you disbelieve in God, then there's a problem with science...

        1 John 17:17 – (Jesus praying to his Father) Sanctify them (his apostles) through thy truth: thy word is truth…

        1 Corinthians 3:19 – For the wisdom of this world is foolishness with God...

        Luke 16:15 – For that which is highly esteemed among men is abomination in the sight of God...

        December 20, 2013 at 9:15 pm |
    • Piccolo

      Free will is the biggest joke I've ever heard. So god tells adam not to eat an apple, he uses he free will to disobey and then god gives all humans free will. Like, seriously? You believe this? Low standards of scrutiny and critical thinking, that's all I can say. The only way to defeat an atheist is to prove that god exists. Until you can do this, atheists win by logical default, since non existence is assume when there is zero evidence for something.

      December 20, 2013 at 3:01 pm |
      • Opposing View


        You stated… "Free will is the biggest joke I've ever heard"…

        Answer: LOL. Atheists love to talk about "free will" (they say, how can we have free will if God is trying to force us to serve him, etc), that is, so long as free will works in their favor. But the moment someone uses free will against them, suddenly they feel free will is a bad thing and they don't want to talk about it anymore. LOL…


        You stated – "god tells adam not to eat an apple, he uses his free will to disobey and then god gives all humans free will."…

        LIe #1 – At no time has the bible ever said it was an apple. It said "fruit" – so it could have been anything…

        Lie #2 – How could Adam have exercised his "free will" if God didn't give it to him beforehand? – (you stated after Adam disobeyed, then god gives all humans free will). Your argument is flawed and doesn't make an ounce of sense…


        You stated, "The only way to defeat an atheist is to prove that god exists."..

        Answer: If that is the case, then atheists have long been defeated. They were defeated the moment Jesus Christ arrived on the scene (see 4th paragraph in my post above). The only problem is, atheists are unwilling to accept the reality of their defeat. So they live on in denial, pretending like little children that no one has defeated them. They are liars. And like all liars, they shall have their part in the lake…


        You stated, "since non-existence is assumed when there is zero evidence for something"…

        Answer: Assumption is not proof. And even if it was, the existence of Jesus Christ is not zero evidence. So your argument is defeated…

        December 20, 2013 at 9:55 pm |
  10. ankenyman

    Seems like those of Jewish heritage are white. Why is everyone upset when somebody concludes Jesus must have been white? Benjamin Netanyahu and Bar Rafaeli are white.

    December 19, 2013 at 5:15 pm |
    • Susan StoHelit

      Since when? They're middle eastern, Semitic. They wouldn't be allowed into any whites-only clubs. That's not the same thing as white.

      December 19, 2013 at 7:10 pm |
  11. 5%er

    "The white image of Christ is really Cesare Borgia
    And-a, the second son of Pope Alexander
    The sixth of Rome and once the picture was shown
    That's how the devils tricked my dome"

    December 19, 2013 at 1:29 pm |
  12. dreamhunk

    I will be back later to give my two links I want to see what people say after these video links.

    December 19, 2013 at 10:47 am |
    • 12 + 1 = 13


      December 19, 2013 at 3:55 pm |
      • dreamhunk

        Thank you for the link good stuff

        December 20, 2013 at 8:08 am |
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    • laststonecarver

      You seem keen on the AE, so let me ask you a question –
      'Historically many of the native african peoples' names have a meaning, for instance 'Madiba', and you should know who that person is and what the term Madiba means –
      What is your interpretation of what the name Amen-Ra means?

      December 19, 2013 at 10:50 am |
      • laststonecarver

        also, I'm sure you notice that it does not say Amen – Ra at the end of any prayers –

        December 19, 2013 at 10:52 am |
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