December 17th, 2013
01:43 PM ET

Radio preacher who predicted doomsday dies

(CNN) - The broadcast preacher who predicted the world would end in 2011 and spread his doomsday message through billboards and RV caravans has died, according to a statement from his Family Radio network.

Harold Camping died Sunday afternoon after suffering a fall in his home on November 30, the statement said. He had suffered a stroke in June 2011, a few weeks after his doomsday date came and went.

He died at age 92, an operator at Family Radio said.

"He passed away peacefully in his home, with his family at his side," the statement said. Camping is survived by his wife of 71 years, Shirley.

For months in early 2011, Camping predicted that Jesus Christ would return to the earth on May 21 that year, and that a select 2% to 3% of the world’s population would be raptured, or taken to heaven.

Those left behind would face months of tribulation before perishing in the Earth's destruction, which Camping said would happen on October 21, 2011.

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When his May 21 prediction failed to pan out, Camping took the radio airwaves to say that he had misinterpreted the nature of the rapture but that the world would still end on October 21.

The following year, Camping admitted he was wrong and said he was getting out of the forecasting business.

"We humbly acknowledge we were wrong," Camping and his staff members wrote in a letter to supporters posted on Family Radio's website in March 2012.

"We must also openly acknowledge that we have no new evidence pointing to another date for the end of the world. Though many dates are circulating, Family Radio has no interest in even considering another date."

Camping founded Family Radio, a nonprofit Christian radio network with about 65 stations across the country, in 1958. It received $80 million in contributions between 2005 and 2009.

He first inaccurately predicted the world would end in 1994. Despite his poor track record, he had gathered many followers. Some gave up their homes, entire life savings and jobs because they believed the world was ending.

- CNN Belief Blog

Filed under: End times

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  1. Answer

    There you go freaks... call your next "end of times."

    See what comes first – you dying and weeping on your deathbed or the second coming. Good riddance to this Camping piece of shit.

    December 17, 2013 at 4:40 pm |
    • fred

      Why so angry oh my soul.

      December 17, 2013 at 4:48 pm |
  2. R E M

    It's the end of his world as he knew it
    It's the end of his world as he knew it
    It's the end of his world as he knew it, and we feel fine...

    December 17, 2013 at 4:36 pm |
  3. Dyslexic doG

    volution is taught in every major university and college biology program in the World. Not 99% of them, but EVERY one. Universities with extensive evolutionary biology departments include Oxford University, Cambridge University and the Imperial College in England, the Ludwig-Maximilians-Universität in Germany, the École Normale Supérieure and École Polythecnique in France and Leiden University in the Netherlands and the Swiss Federal Insti.tute of Technology in Switzerland. This is just a sample. ALL university and colleges in Europe teach evolution as a fundamental component of biology.

    The number of universities and colleges in Europe with a creation science department: ZERO. The number of tenured or even paid professors who teach creation science at any of these universities or colleges: ZERO

    In the United States, the following Universities have extensive evolutionary biology departments staffed by thousands of the most gifted biologists in the World; Harvard, Yale, Princeton, Colombia, Duke, the Massachusetts Insti.tute of Technology, Brown, Stanford, Berkley, and the University of Chicago. These are just some of the more prestigious examples. Again, ALL university and colleges in the USA with tertiary level biology classes teach evolution as a fundamental component of biology.

    The number of universities and colleges in the United States with a creation science department: ZERO The number of tenured or even paid professors who teach creation science at any of these universities or colleges: ZERO

    In Australia and Asia, the following universities and colleges have extensive evolutionary biology departments manned by more of the most gifted biological scientists in the World; Monash University in Melbourne, The University of New South Wales, Kyoto University in Ja.pan, Peking University in China, Seoul University in Korea, the University of Singapore, National Taiwan University, The Australian National University, The University of Melbourne, and the University of Sydney.

    The number of universities and colleges in Australia and Asia with a creation science department: ZERO The number of tenured or even paid professors who teach creation science at any of these universities or colleges: ZERO

    The most prestigious scientific publications in the Western World generally accessible to the public include: The Journal of the American Medical Association, the New England Journal of Medicine, Scientific American, Science, New Scientist, Cosmos and Live Science.

    Every month, one or more of them publishes a peer reviewed article highlighting the latest developments in evolution. The amount of any creationist science articles published in ANY of these prestigious publications; ZERO.

    I could repeat the above exercise for the following disciplines, all of which would have to be turned on their heads to accommodate creation science – paleontology, archeology, geology, botany, marine biology, astronomy, medicine, cosmology and historical linguistics.

    There appears to be three possible explanations for this:

    (i) there is a worldwide conspiracy of universities, colleges and academic publications, including all their tens of thousands of professors, editors, reviewers, and support staff, to deny creation science;

    (ii) you, guyFromVA have a startling new piece of evidence that was right before our eyes that will turn accepted biological science and about 10 other sciences on their heads if ONLY people would listen to you, no doubt earning you a Nobel Prize and a place in history beside the likes of Darwin, Newton and Einstein; or

    (iii) you are a complete blowhard who has never studied one subject of university level biology, never been on an archeological dig, never studied a thing about paleontology, geology, astronomy, linguistics or archeology, but feel perfectly sure that you know more than the best biologists, archeologists, paleontologists, doctors, astronomers botanists and linguists in the World because your mommy and daddy taught you some comforting stories from Bronze Age Palestine as a child.

    I know which alternative my money is on.

    - Colin

    December 17, 2013 at 4:03 pm |
    • Doc Vestibule

      Howdy Colin – adding to your data set is my favourite punk PHD – Dr. Greg Graffin.
      His thesis "Monism atheism and the naturalist worldview" is summed up thusly:

      "My project uses questionnaire and interview data from a worldwide sample of evolutionary biologists who are members of national academies of science, to illustrate their opinions on the intersection of evolutionary and religious matters.
      This study reveals the following statistics about the participants from 22 countries:
      83.89% are irreligious;
      87.92% reject life after death;
      and 77.85% affirm philosophical naturalism as their world-view.
      Only 1.3% of the participants have a traditionally theistic world-view; an additional 3.3% blend theism with naturalism, resulting in the lowest frequency of theistic belief ever reported among a group of scientists, 4.6%.
      Only rarely, influential evolutionary biologists allow religious conceptions to enter their naturalistic world-view. They appeal to a unique blend of monism and deism that allows a small, relatively insignificant, role for god as a careless creator.
      The majority of the respondents see no need to invoke theological concepts in their naturalistic world-views at all, and yet, still maintain a technically compatibilist stance with respect to evolution and religion.
      Only 10.07% of the participants express a complete incompatibilism between evolution and religion.
      The majority, 71.88%, believe that religion is a social adaptation, and they find compatibility by expressing religion in evolutionary biological terms.
      Most participants believe that evolutionary biology is crucial for understanding the many social inst.itutions of the human species, of which religion is only one."

      December 17, 2013 at 4:10 pm |
      • Colin

        Thanks Doc, will add it.

        December 17, 2013 at 4:37 pm |
  4. Dyslexic doG

    Christians one and all please hear me. Don't listen to facts or reason! You just keep on believing! It's so important! The biggest scam ever played on the human race is depending on people as stup1d as you to keep itself going. If you start thinking, you'll realize its mind numbing foolishness, so whatever you do, don't think!

    December 17, 2013 at 4:02 pm |
    • Christian

      Don't worry, we won't. We have chosen to abandon rational thought all our lives, why would we stop now?

      December 17, 2013 at 5:04 pm |
    • Realist


      Christianity is built upon a LIE ...

      ................ because ....................

      ..... http://www.GodIsImaginary.com ...

      ... and thank goodness because he ...

      ............. emanates from the .............

      ...................... http://www.EvilBible.com


      December 17, 2013 at 7:21 pm |
  5. bostontola

    If there were a clear line between nut cases like Harold Camping and Christians in general Christianity might have some credibility, but the beliefs are basically the same. Camping just went out on the limb and committed.

    December 17, 2013 at 3:43 pm |
    • Dyslexic doG


      December 17, 2013 at 3:59 pm |
      • Russ

        Isn't the basically the same flawed logic that equates Mao & Stalin's atheism with all other forms?

        December 17, 2013 at 4:08 pm |
        • Dyslexic doG

          they were totalitarian leaders, like your god. atheism wasn't at the core of all that they did, it was just a component of what they were, like the clothes they wore.

          feeble analogy. feeble analogy.

          December 17, 2013 at 4:11 pm |
        • Russ

          @ Dyslexic:
          1) painting with such a broad brush that refuses to recognize a spectrum IS the same thing. when applied to the reciprocal position, it becomes obviously preposterous.

          note well: your objections in the analogy are to the details... the very details you are refusing to acknowledge on the other end of the spectrum. the parallel makes it clear – it's not the analogy but the argument that is feeble.

          2) one's metaphysical principles are not the clothing on the outside but rather the skeletal structure underneath everything else. it shows up in *everything* one does. it's the principles in action.

          December 17, 2013 at 4:19 pm |
        • Peter

          I don't really feel that my lack of belief in a god plays much of a role in any decisions I make in my life.

          December 17, 2013 at 4:27 pm |
        • Jeeves

          Russ, DD is right. It's a feeble analogy. You (and others) who use Mao and Stalin as representatives of anything less than totalitarian, ruthless dictators are bereft of cogent arguments.
          You should probably quit while you are ahead.

          December 17, 2013 at 4:37 pm |
        • bostontola

          I didn't say all Christians are the same, they are not. There probably isn't 2 that are the same. My point is that there is no clear line or gap between the nut cases and the rest. There appears to be a full spectrum, unbroken. So how does one distinguish where belief ends and nut case begins? I bet you get a lot of different answers.

          December 17, 2013 at 4:45 pm |
        • Russ

          @ Jeeves: did you read what's above? you are attributing the original argument to me.

          I am NOT arguing that Mao & Stalin are the same as all atheists. I'm pointing out that bostontola's argument regarding Christians is the *same* flawed argument in reciprocal form.

          so, yes – you are right to object to that original argument. it is feeble. but that was my point. whether one makes the argument with theists or atheists, it is still a bad argument.

          December 17, 2013 at 5:12 pm |
        • Russ

          @ bostontola: and yet – according to you – inability to draw stark line means you discount ALL forms (as you said: "...but their beliefs are basically the same"). i simply pointed out that argument (flawed as it is) could equally be levied against atheists.

          you seem to readily see the flaw in the argument when applied to your position, but somehow you find it acceptable when applied to others. why?

          December 17, 2013 at 5:15 pm |
        • bostontola

          Because there aren't a bevy of nut case atheists out there professing crazy stuff. Stalin and Mao are clearly rare outliers.

          December 17, 2013 at 5:18 pm |
        • Some Antics

          The point here is that Harold Camping is only considered loony by the standard Christian in America because he tried to predict the date on which the end would happen based upon his reading of the bible. So the predicting part was the only crazy part to Christians, not that Armageddon, a holy war on humanity, isn't supposedly on its way.

          How much would you invest in a Company that you had been told by your parents and your parents parents would be going bankrupt anytime now. Probably nothing if you believed them and maybe you would even badmouth the company letting others know what you and your family think about it. The Company might have really good returns on investment with very good long term outlooks and you still wouldn't invest in it. Also, the more and more people you got to believe you and the more you spread your message that this Company would be going bankrupt, the fewer and fewer investors would start to foreshadow slowing returns, projects that relied on new capital would be canceled, profitability declining and eventually they might have to file bankruptcy. What? Were your parents prophets? No, it's called a self fullfilling prophecy, and the bible is full of them.

          I hope humanity will survive the lack of investment in it by the selfish and haughty religious who act as fthey can't get away from this planet fast enough so they can go get their illusory fanciful promise in some imagined afterlife. Thanks for nothing you whack-a-doodles.

          December 17, 2013 at 5:23 pm |
        • Russ

          @ Some antics:
          directly to the contrary, here is an article by Al Mohler (Southern Baptist seminary president) that not only deals with Camping's false predictions, but his many other heretical doctrinal stances.

          December 17, 2013 at 5:32 pm |
        • Russ

          @ Bostontola:
          please tell me you're kidding. do you really think atheists don't have their fair share of extremists?

          1) to be so acutely aware of other groups' failings but not your own is to have a very dangerous blind spot. quite literally, it is what hypocrisy means ("less critical" of oneself).

          2) since you are conceding that Mao & Stalin were atheists (again, i've already stated this is a flawed argument, but taking you to task on the analogy): you are discounting the two (numerically speaking) greatest mass murderers in modern history. but then you've got other examples often cited: Pol Pot, Ho Chi Minh, etc. and that's only talking about political leaders.

          now, to be clear: have there been religious mass murderers? yes. i'm not refuting that.
          do i think this is a bad line of logic on both sides? yes. that's not my point.
          i'm merely pointing out how you are re-narrating history to claim there have been no such commensurate set of atheists.

          December 17, 2013 at 5:45 pm |
        • Some Antics

          I read the article you linked and still don't know why you said "directly to the contrary" in response to my posit that Christians think Camping loony because of his predictions. The article completely agrees with me, though it adds a handful of other items that many Christians do not share with Camping, though some who do like not believing in heII, there are several million christians who also do not believe in heII. My point stands.

          Funny quote from the article:

          "The derision and laughter from the secular community was loud and entirely predictable."

          Yes, the only thing completely predictable is the laughing and pointing that will occur every time another nut job predicts the end of the world by s p o o k y spirits.

          December 17, 2013 at 6:06 pm |
        • bostontola

          Russ, we weren't, and i wasn't discussing mass killers, we were discussing nutty people. If an atheist is a murderer, that doesn't make all atheists murderers. Again, the whole point is that there aren't a bunch of atheists professing nutty ideas (i.e. ideas based on no objective evidence). There are lot's of Christians doing so, and there is no apparent gap between the nut cases and the sane Christians. Sorry, that doesn't apply to atheists. If you think it does, show me the atheists professing the nutty ideas.

          December 17, 2013 at 6:12 pm |
        • Russ

          @ some antics:
          1) re-read the article, especially the second half. i think you are missing how heavily intertwined and essential these doctrines are to the Christian faith. you don't have to believe Christianity to rightly acknowledge its self-understanding.

          while you may not have much regard for Christian doctrine, your criticisms of our beliefs should at least engage them with integrity. hell is a centrally important topic (if you understand Jesus' preaching on the kingdom, heaven & hell are the *primary* topic in his teaching). so is ecclesiology (the study of the church – namely because we are talking about Jesus' bride). Evangelism is the last command Jesus gave before ascending – so you can deduce how important that is. then Mohler goes on to reference the sacraments, one of many implications of Camping's low ecclesiology. but Mohler also points out Camping's unwillingness to be corrected from Scripture by *anyone* – another major biblical problem.

          in short, for those who have a high view of Scripture (much of Christianity), Mohler is hitting Camping with devastating blow after devastating blow. as i've said repeatedly, you don't have to agree with Christianity to understand or acknowledge that. refusing to acknowledge that Mohler's criticism is very substantive from WITHIN the Christian community is a failure to understand Christianity as a whole.

          2) so you think several million out of two billion is a substantial percentage? you are actually making my point for me. that's an exceedingly high percentage of a very large & diverse group agreeing on a central tenet of the faith. so yes, Harold Camping is far out of bounds here from the vast majority of Christian teaching from its inception.

          3) yes, the Christian community takes seriously Camping's theological jump off the cliff here. and yes, it is unnecessarily embarrassing. as Paul said, we expect the cross to be a stumbling block – but any other impediment (i.e., false teachings) is a deep scandal to the Church. and as Jesus said in Matthew 18, teachers will be judged my harshly: "but whoever causes one of these little ones who believe in me to sin, it would be better for him to have a great millstone fastened around his neck and to be drowned in the depth of the sea." (Mt.18:6)

          December 17, 2013 at 10:14 pm |
        • Russ

          @ Bostontola:
          1) so you don't think the ideas of Mao, Stalin, Pol Pot, Ho Chi Minh & Co are nutty? again, I'm not arguing this flawed line logic, but you continue to do it from the other side... so i'm simply mirroring it back to you. you seem to want to regard those with whom you disagree as 2D caricatures but when it's pointed out that you equally have that problem, you just say: "but I'm 3D." it's disingenuous at best.

          yes, there are nutty Christians. but there are nutty atheists, too.
          your original argument is flawed because it fails to reflect that fact.
          somehow, you seem to want to argue "yeah, but our idiots are better than your idiots."
          how is that helpful (much less honest) at all?

          2) it sounds like you are advancing a thesis heavily rooted in naturalism (e.g., only what is empirically verifiable is true/real/etc.). but naturalism (again, not all atheists hold this position, but it appears to be yours) is itself a leap of faith. note well how science purposefully avoids making the leap you do. "methodological naturalism" is operating *as if* there was nothing else, while purposefully not making that leap. philosophical naturalism (your position) makes that leap.

          or (as i think i've quoted to you before) as another atheist put it: "it is still a metaphysical faith that underlies our faith in science" (Nietzsche).

          in short, you *are* making a leap of faith here that science does not (methodological vs. philosophical naturalism). that's probably why you aren't realizing your criticisms equally apply to your own position. and that's why i'm pointing out the flawed logic of the reciprocal statement (applying your logic to atheists). your argument is self-defeating.

          December 17, 2013 at 10:27 pm |
        • Tom, Tom, the Other One

          The metaphysical faith that underlies science is there, no dispute. We have faith that at least some physical constants and principles are the same everywhere and everywhen. It is a faith that has something to hold it up – the object of that faith is reliable.

          December 17, 2013 at 10:33 pm |
        • Russ

          @ TTTOO: that metaphysical faith (naturalism) says – as a presupposition – that there is nothing else. period.
          and it notably makes that leap BEFORE there is any such consideration of evidence (if not directly contrary to the evidence of existence itself in the mind of theists).

          do you mean to say *that leap* is reliable? or scientific methodology (another thing entirely)?
          if the former, on what basis do you make that leap?

          December 17, 2013 at 10:42 pm |
        • Tom, Tom, the Other One

          I don't see it as a leap to build a view of the world on principles that explain it most simply and coherently based on things that can be observed and an underlying order that can be understood. As I said, it is reliable. Predictions can be made that always come true that, on that view of the world, must come true. Things that are forbidden on that view of the world do not come true.

          December 17, 2013 at 11:06 pm |
        • Tom, Tom, the Other One

          I recognize that in the minds of theists there is belief in some things that are not accessible as the natural world is. There certainly may be parts of reality that are not accessible. I don't see that theists can demonstrate there are such things that they can actually know – or even experience as some claim they can.

          December 17, 2013 at 11:13 pm |
    • anon

      Actually the Bible plainly states that NOBODY on this earth can know when the world will end!

      But for some reason, Harold Camping's silly prediction got FAR more airplay, than the virtually unanimous voice of all of the rest of Christendom, who warned Camping and all his followers that they couldn't possibly be right.

      Selective media coverage is what makes Christians look bad.

      December 17, 2013 at 4:03 pm |
      • Dyslexic doG

        but if no-one knows the day then he COULD have possibly been right ....

        December 17, 2013 at 4:08 pm |
      • Dyslexic doG

        and Selective media coverage is NOT what makes Christians look bad ... it's the infantile foolishness of your beliefs that make Christians look bad ...

        December 17, 2013 at 4:09 pm |
        • Thatguy371

          You just don't understand the concept. And that's fine, just don't diss those who do.

          December 17, 2013 at 11:05 pm |
  6. bostontola

    "Camping founded Family Radio, a nonprofit Christian radio network with about 65 stations across the country, in 1958. It received $80 million in contributions between 2005 and 2009. He first inaccurately predicted the world would end in 1994. Despite his poor track record, he had gathered many followers. Some gave up their homes, entire life savings and jobs because they believed the world was ending."

    Oops... Of course non-profit doesn't mean unpaid.

    December 17, 2013 at 3:25 pm |
    • Reality # 2

      Let us hope Family Radio dies with its founder. Said non-profit gets low marks at http://pikimal.com/charity/family-radio-2.

      December 17, 2013 at 3:38 pm |
  7. It's a fact Jack


    December 17, 2013 at 3:16 pm |
    • CommonSensed

      It's true, because my bible says so – says you.

      December 17, 2013 at 4:26 pm |
  8. Topher

    I know nothing of Mr. Camping aside from the prediction silliness. But I truly hope he repented and put his trust in Christ.

    December 17, 2013 at 2:49 pm |
    • Charm Quark

      You are back my cowardly friend, you ran away again from some tough questions on a previous topic, at least you are consistent, run Topher run.

      December 17, 2013 at 2:59 pm |
      • Topher

        You, sir, are a liar. I've run away from nothing. And this is hardly the place for your ridiculousness.

        December 17, 2013 at 3:02 pm |
        • Charm Quark

          Well I will apologize and take you at your word; it was probably the name stealer that posted under your name but he sure convinced myself and G to the T that it was you.

          December 17, 2013 at 3:05 pm |
        • Charm Quark

          Just to be clear it pertained to why the holy trinity does not start up a facebook like network to spread the good word? Why does he depend on "messengers" like yourself who are so unbelievable?
          If this doesn't sound familiar it was the name stealer at work again.

          December 17, 2013 at 3:09 pm |
        • Topher

          Because the Bible is sufficient. Everything you need to know to be saved is in there. Sola Scriptura.

          December 17, 2013 at 3:14 pm |
        • Charm Quark

          Well it appears I would be in the right to retract my apology, you are a coward and a liar, not just my opinion but many that post on this blog. You have been told that numerous times and are in denial. Believing as you do you better hope your mythical god can put up with your deceit, roast in your hell of your own making, LMAO.

          December 17, 2013 at 3:23 pm |
        • Topher

          Ah, so I give you a reason and all you can do is call names. How very mature.

          December 17, 2013 at 3:24 pm |
        • Charm Quark

          Lame answer, the bible is sufficient. Not what you said in previous posts about needing the guidance of a pastor to tell you what the hell it all means, make up your mind. BTW did god tell you personally to be one of his messengers or did you pick that pamphlet distributing thing from JW or the Mormons who you admire so much, them being fellow Christians and all.

          December 17, 2013 at 3:40 pm |
        • Topher

          Disagree with me if you want to, but I will not put up with your lying about me. You are banned.

          December 17, 2013 at 3:49 pm |
        • Charm Quark

          Your making a list, your checking it twice, thank you for putting me on your naughty list, I happily stand shoulder to shoulder with sam stone. Your problem being that you should be turning the other cheek, forgiving me as a trespasser and just generally being a sucky Christian. You come on here and post your jesus freaking BS but can't handle it when attacked, you talk the talk but can't walk the walk, your mythical jesus is weeping at your conduct, LMAO.

          December 17, 2013 at 4:00 pm |
        • Madtown

          Because the Bible is sufficient
          "What's the bible?"

          – signed, a human God placed in a region of the world with no christianity

          December 17, 2013 at 4:22 pm |
        • CommonSensed

          Saying something is true because your bible says it is starts with the weakest of foundations.

          If the reason for the next expedition is to r@pe and pillage and the reason to r@pe and pillage is to pay for the next expedition – well, that's a circular argument.

          December 17, 2013 at 4:30 pm |
        • ?

          I remember your lie just the other day, Topher, that Catholic Masses do not read from the Gospel.
          You LIED.

          December 17, 2013 at 4:42 pm |
        • Charm Quark

          I am so proud to have ben banned but you seem to have run away again, why not answer the other posters?

          December 17, 2013 at 4:51 pm |
        • sam stone

          gopher, you are a liar AND a coward

          you bloviate for months about this evidence you have for god's existence, but none is ever presented

          you run from logic (i.e. the inconsistency of free will and an omnscient god), and simply say you reject it

          i don't know if it is more amusing or sad that you are going to infect your progeny with your delusion and your cowardice

          December 17, 2013 at 7:54 pm |
        • sam stone

          gopher: the god you describe is a vindictive, petty pr1ck

          reject it all you want

          it is apparent that your primary reason for belief is fear

          you are a slave


          December 17, 2013 at 7:56 pm |
  9. Inverse137

    Guy was a little nutty but I think he is one of the few people who honestly had a good heart.

    I'd say he had a good life. When all is said and done that is really all you can hope for...a good life.

    December 17, 2013 at 2:48 pm |
    • In Santa we trust

      He effectively robbed people of their assets. You know what they say about good intentions.

      December 17, 2013 at 2:51 pm |
    • humanistJohn420

      He had a good heart? Are you commenting on the right article?

      December 17, 2013 at 3:20 pm |
    • CommonSensed

      The guy rakes in $80M in 4 years bilking folks of their cash with his doomsday stories and you call him a good man?

      Your worldview is WHACK.

      December 17, 2013 at 4:29 pm |
  10. Charm Quark

    Bury him fast, bury him deep.

    December 17, 2013 at 2:42 pm |
  11. CommonSensed

    Missed it by that much.

    December 17, 2013 at 2:34 pm |
    • Phil Esteen


      December 17, 2013 at 3:08 pm |
  12. Child of God

    About a year ago I started reading the Bible and it changed my life. I study everyday and see prophecies fulfilled in the news everyday. After starting as a sceptic, I have found truth and peace in Jesus and have done much research from even non biblical sources. Did you know that the non believers during the time of Jesus actually made up lies to explain away the obvious power He had? They claimed when he went to Egypt he practiced sorcery and magic and that's how he was able to heal so many. They couldn't deny his miracles they witnessed so they had to explain it away! Back then they didn't have a leg to stand on when it came to Jesus because they had all the proof in front of them whereas you all claim the writers just copied everything from the Old Testament.

    December 17, 2013 at 2:25 pm |
    • WDS

      "...and see prophecies fulfilled in the news everyday."

      The problem is that people have been seeing this in the daily "news" for thousands of years.

      December 17, 2013 at 2:28 pm |
    • CommonSensed

      I did the same thing with Lord of The Rings and the cyberpunk trilogy from William Gibson.

      December 17, 2013 at 2:35 pm |
    • myweightinwords

      About twenty-five years ago I started studying the bible very diligently. I thought I saw prophecy fulfilled every day. I studied Hebrew and Greek. I dug out commentary and archaeological record. I compared the bible to historical documents.

      It was a labor of love, I wanted to immerse myself in what I believed. The study covered about four years of my life. It included a great deal of historical documentation, not just on the history of the area in which much of the bible takes place, but on the history of the bible itself, on the history of the faith.

      It led me away from the belief that I had once held dear. I came to the conclusion that the bible was just another ancient book of myth and legend, the faith story of first the Jews and then the Christians.

      If you find something in it that gives your life meaning, more power to you. Other people have studied it and come to different conclusions.

      December 17, 2013 at 2:38 pm |
      • Rett

        Just curious......did the inconsistent lives of those who called themselves Christians play any role in your rejecting The Bible?

        December 18, 2013 at 7:01 am |
        • Saraswati

          I don't know about myweight, but I can tell you the actions of Christians has zero to do with my opinions of the core beliefs. As a child I never thought about it and when analyzing religions starting in college it was internal consistency and agreement with historical and scientific evidence that counted. Behaviors of followers inconsistent with preachings just seems like normal humanity.

          December 18, 2013 at 7:05 am |
        • myweightinwords

          Not really. It contributed to my rejecting various forms of Christianity. My rejection of the bible came solely from studying it and learning where it came from, and comparing it to what was in my heart.

          I became a better person when I walked away from Christianity. More loving, more giving, more the person I knew I wanted to be.

          December 23, 2013 at 11:25 am |
    • Dyslexic doG

      The King James version of the new testament was completed in 1611 by 8 members of the church of England. There were (and still are) NO original texts to translate. The oldest manuscripts we have were written down 100's of years after the last apostle died. There are over 8,000 of these old manuscripts with no two alike. The king james translators used none of these anyway. Instead they edited previous translations to create a version their king and parliament would approve. So.... 21st century christians believe the "word of god" is a book edited in the 17th century from the 16th century translations of 8,000 contradictory copies of 4th century scrolls that claim to be copies of lost letters written in the 1st century.

      So we don't even know if the jesus character existed, much less what he may or may not have done or said.

      December 17, 2013 at 2:40 pm |
      • It's a fact Jack

        The Dead Sea scrolls found were exact copies of what we have today. I learned in history class that if a scribe messed up on one letter it was destroyed and they started over. If what u say is true, I would say there would at least be one fact in the Bible that could be proven untrue but there isn't.

        December 17, 2013 at 2:50 pm |
        • In Santa we trust

          The Dead Sea scrolls are not exact copies of what we have today; there are many differences (many trivial admittedly).

          Maybe if a scribe messed up on one letter it was destroyed and they started over, but there are 100s of 1000s of errors in the hand-copied texts.

          The Genesis creation stories have been proven untrue (by evolution, Big Bang, etc.); the Noah story could not have happened as described and there is no evidence for a global flood; the Lot story cannot be verified either way but like many biblical stories it is incredible and thus extremely unlikely.

          December 17, 2013 at 2:57 pm |
        • In Santa we trust

          Meant to say
          Maybe if a scribe noticed he'd messed up on one letter it was destroyed and they started over, but as there are 100s of 1000s of errors in the hand-copied texts, they obviously missed a lot.

          December 17, 2013 at 2:59 pm |
        • It's a fact Jack

          Google "evidence of a worldwide flood" and you'll see a lot. There are animals frozen near the North Pole, tons of them, and guess what scientists determined ALL of their causes of death were?- drowning!
          Also scientists have found brimstone and ashes in the excavation of Sodom and Gomorrah. Also tons of chariots and skeletons found in the Red Sea that match the Egyptian hieroglyphics of what their chariots looked like in the time of Moses. And much more, google it!

          December 17, 2013 at 3:04 pm |
        • Topher


          How can something that hasn't been proven true itself (evolution, Big Bang) prove something else untrue?

          December 17, 2013 at 3:06 pm |
        • AE


          December 17, 2013 at 3:10 pm |
        • Doc Vestibule

          Of course there are frozen animals near the North Pole.
          The arctic ecosystem is teeming with life. Given that the "land" is primarily frozen ocean water, drowning is a major cause of death amongst the terrestrial life there.

          The chariot wheel "discovered" in the Red Sea (just one – not tons, and no skeletons) was by a dude name Ron Wyatt who also claimed to have found Noah's Ark and the Ark of the Covenant (with Christ's blood on, no less). Lies, lies and more lies I'm afraid.
          He is the same guy who said he found the ruins of Sodom and Gomorrah, though the archeological community disagrees (aside from creationist "archeologists" with severe confirmation bias).

          December 17, 2013 at 3:53 pm |
        • Doc Vestibule

          There is more archaeological evidence supporting The Epic of Gilgamesh than there is for Noah's flood or Sodom/Gomorrah.
          That a woman transmogriphied into a condiment should be enough to cast doubt on the factual accuracy of the myth.

          December 17, 2013 at 3:59 pm |
        • In Santa we trust

          Another day, same old dance. Evolution, Big Bang and more are accepted as fact by the vast majority of scientists. All the evidence shows them to be the best explanation of what we see. They are in direct conflict with all creation myths. As the creation myths of a religion are its foundation, religions have no foundation. There is no evidence for creationism. Attempting to discredit established science with Bronze Age superstition doesn't constitute evidence for creationism. You can't even say the scientific method is at fault as it's the same as used for computers, aircraft, satellites, vaccines, etc. which you obviously happily use each and every day.

          December 17, 2013 at 4:19 pm |
  13. Mary

    Why can't the cart go in front of the horse sometimes?

    December 17, 2013 at 2:24 pm |
    • Doc Vestibule

      Or The Beast before the Horsemen?

      December 17, 2013 at 2:32 pm |
    • AE

      Why don't you try it and see, Mary.

      December 17, 2013 at 3:12 pm |
    • UncleBenny

      Or pearls before swine?

      December 22, 2013 at 3:16 pm |
  14. It's a fact Jack

    No one knows the day or hour, we can just watch for signs. One of which is coming to pass starting next year. There have been 7 blood moon tetrads from Christs time until now. EVERY time these occurred something significant happened with Israel. The next tetrad starts this April. There won't be another for over 1,000 years. Watch Israel, watch for Jesus, the time is finally very very near.

    December 17, 2013 at 2:24 pm |
    • WDS

      The exact same signs have been used to predict "the second coming is soon" for almost two thousand years now.

      December 17, 2013 at 2:30 pm |
    • Dyslexic doG

      the infantile see what they want to see in everyday objects and occurrences.

      December 17, 2013 at 2:36 pm |
    • jens gessner

      Is that a fact, Jack?

      Just one question....... IF the predictions and prophecies don't come true (just hypothetically), what will you say then? Will you still claim that the Bible is the inerrant word of God?

      'Cause you see, Harold Camping spetd his whole life trying to figure out when the end of the world would occur. I bet he was absolutely convinced that it would be October 2012, probably at least as convinced as you are. After so many failed predictions and prophecies – all based on 'infallible' Bible verses, it is a fair question to ask.

      Let me make a prediction (and I have a hunch mine has a better chance of coming true than yours): In May, when your deity has not shown up, and the world is still spinning as it has for billions of years, you will simply claim that the Bible is still infallible, and that YOU just misunderstood.

      But......what good is an infallible book if nobody can understand or interpret it correctly?

      December 17, 2013 at 2:49 pm |
      • It's a fact Jack

        Something significant will happen within a year before or after the blood moon tetrad. So that puts it between now and 2016. I will bet my life on it that something significant will happen with Israel, maybe the rapture, maybe something else but you'll know when it happens.

        December 17, 2013 at 2:58 pm |
        • Peter

          It is not actually a prediction unless you can tell us exactly when and what will happen.

          December 17, 2013 at 4:19 pm |
        • JOey

          I love the prediction you made: something will happen in Israel in the next 2 years. You really went out on a limb with that one.

          December 17, 2013 at 4:30 pm |
        • CommonSensed

          Don't strain yourself.

          I predict that some time within the next 2 years the forces of Islam will battle itself in the middle east. Not including today.

          Yay – I win too!

          December 17, 2013 at 4:34 pm |
  15. Doc Vestibule

    The End is always nigh.
    When The Rapture comes and all of the true, humble, pious, charitable, forgiving, peaceful Christians ascend bodily to Heaven, I'm sure the world will sorely miss both of them.

    December 17, 2013 at 2:16 pm |
    • rong

      So are you the replacement? Would you like to take a stab at predicting like this guy did? Or are you content to jabber in the corner?

      December 17, 2013 at 2:18 pm |
      • Doc Vestibule

        Every religion has doomsday prophecies and end times prophets.
        They've all been wrong.
        What boggles my mind is how sects like the 7th Day Adventists that are predicated on failed prophecies, continue to exist.

        December 17, 2013 at 2:20 pm |
        • rong

          It was HG Wells, I think, that said there is a sucker born every minute.

          December 17, 2013 at 2:26 pm |
        • UncleBenny

          It was actually P.T. Barnum.

          December 22, 2013 at 3:18 pm |
      • Doc Vestibule

        I long ago made my own prediction regarding the end of the world.
        The end of the world is nigh, but it won't be the Mayan apocalypse, the rapture or ragnarok.
        The signs of our funky, butt wiggling demise are evident to those with eyes to see and ears to hear.
        3 of the 4 Nordic Disco Bands of the "A"pocalypse have made themselves known – Abba, Aqua and Ace of Bass.
        When the A-Teens came on the scene, I stocked my bomb shelter but breathed a sigh of relief when I learned they were just a cover band.
        But make no mistake – groovy doom is coming at 120 beats per minute.

        December 17, 2013 at 2:45 pm |
  16. sam stone


    December 17, 2013 at 2:11 pm |
  17. Mary

    Why couldn't his prediction had been right in a parallel plane of existence?

    December 17, 2013 at 2:09 pm |
    • just sayin

      Maybe it was.

      December 17, 2013 at 2:13 pm |
    • AE

      Why wasn't his prediction right in ours?

      December 17, 2013 at 2:15 pm |
      • Doc Vestibule

        Wait... isn't "Left Behind" a docu/mentary film?

        December 17, 2013 at 2:17 pm |
        • Topher

          The series is based on events that will happen in the future.

          December 17, 2013 at 2:49 pm |
        • Doc Vestibule

          Just like Planet of the Apes and Soylent Green.
          HINT: It's Earth and THEY BLEW IT UP! Soylent Green is PEOPLE!!!!

          December 17, 2013 at 3:05 pm |
        • Topher

          The Bible and those other books aren't really comparable.

          December 17, 2013 at 3:13 pm |
        • Doc Vestibule

          I wonder why pharmaceutical biochemists haven't been studying the healing effects of communion wine.
          It worked to cure the Tribulation Force, after all.

          December 17, 2013 at 3:24 pm |
        • Topher

          Communion wine has no power.

          If that was from the movie it didn't happen in the books. After the first movie, they got way away from the books.

          December 17, 2013 at 3:51 pm |
      • Mary

        Why couldn't the parallel universe had been skewed a little bit?

        December 17, 2013 at 2:23 pm |
        • AE

          Why should it be?

          December 17, 2013 at 2:25 pm |
      • In Santa we trust

        "Why wasn't his prediction right in ours?"

        Did you miss "The broadcast preacher who predicted the world would end in 2011 ..."

        December 17, 2013 at 2:49 pm |
    • rong

      If it was we shouldn't have known or cared about it

      December 17, 2013 at 2:17 pm |
  18. rong

    I wonder how those who contributed to that $80 million feel.... wonder what quack they contribute to now.

    December 17, 2013 at 2:08 pm |
  19. Dyslexic doG

    not a bad life really. make ridiculous predictions over the radio and have people send you tens of millions of dollars.

    a good gig.

    December 17, 2013 at 2:03 pm |
    • Doc Vestibule

      I prefer the Jimmy Swaggart approach.
      Spend your days condemning this and that from a fiery pulpit and your nights in cocaine fueled or/gies.
      When you get caught, just say "God has forgiven and so should you" and people will keep on giving you their kids' college funds.

      December 17, 2013 at 2:19 pm |
  20. Ima Khan

    I bet he never saw it coming.

    December 17, 2013 at 1:48 pm |
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