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December 17th, 2013
01:43 PM ET

Radio preacher who predicted doomsday dies

(CNN) - The broadcast preacher who predicted the world would end in 2011 and spread his doomsday message through billboards and RV caravans has died, according to a statement from his Family Radio network.

Harold Camping died Sunday afternoon after suffering a fall in his home on November 30, the statement said. He had suffered a stroke in June 2011, a few weeks after his doomsday date came and went.

He died at age 92, an operator at Family Radio said.

"He passed away peacefully in his home, with his family at his side," the statement said. Camping is survived by his wife of 71 years, Shirley.

For months in early 2011, Camping predicted that Jesus Christ would return to the earth on May 21 that year, and that a select 2% to 3% of the world’s population would be raptured, or taken to heaven.

Those left behind would face months of tribulation before perishing in the Earth's destruction, which Camping said would happen on October 21, 2011.

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When his May 21 prediction failed to pan out, Camping took the radio airwaves to say that he had misinterpreted the nature of the rapture but that the world would still end on October 21.

The following year, Camping admitted he was wrong and said he was getting out of the forecasting business.

"We humbly acknowledge we were wrong," Camping and his staff members wrote in a letter to supporters posted on Family Radio's website in March 2012.

"We must also openly acknowledge that we have no new evidence pointing to another date for the end of the world. Though many dates are circulating, Family Radio has no interest in even considering another date."

Camping founded Family Radio, a nonprofit Christian radio network with about 65 stations across the country, in 1958. It received $80 million in contributions between 2005 and 2009.

He first inaccurately predicted the world would end in 1994. Despite his poor track record, he had gathered many followers. Some gave up their homes, entire life savings and jobs because they believed the world was ending.

- CNN Belief Blog

Filed under: End times

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  1. question

    Why is CNN honoring this wacko? Nothing to say. No positive contribution to society. There are a bunch of people who can claim dumb stuff. Why is CNN honoring this one?

    December 18, 2013 at 7:16 am |
    • David O

      Hardly honoring him. Just reporting on the passing as they would any other con man like they will probably do when Bennie Madoff or many of the others pass.

      December 18, 2013 at 7:18 am |
  2. WASP

    MATTHEW 24:36-"But about that day or hour no one knows, not even the angels in heaven, nor the Son, but only the Father."

    i love how the folks that are suppose to read and understand the bible themselves fall for these con men, when it's written in their book.

    December 18, 2013 at 7:13 am |
  3. ironman59

    By the way, did he give back all of the money and posessions people gave him after he said he was "wrong" – Nope. He spent his entire life fleecing the sheep and had one last grand stand to ensure the next generation would be well off and able to fleece the sheep even more. The world is better of now that he is gone.

    December 18, 2013 at 7:02 am |
  4. sburns54

    It amazes me at how gullible and easily duped people can be when it comes to religion.Were any of the die-hards capable of lucid, clear thought?
    Never mind atheism or competing religions. All one had to consider was the fact that there are dozens or more christian sects with wildly variable interpretations of the bible and their faith, and all are based on the musings of fallible men; this fellow's poor track record; and that the bible they claim is absolute truth itself says no one can know the day when god is supposed to return.
    How can grown people throw all logic and sense out the window for the ravings of a radio personality?

    December 18, 2013 at 6:54 am |
  5. devin

    It's always fascinating to see the naysayers come out in full force when a "person of faith" drops the ball. Kind of reminds me of a pack of wolves in Yellowstone circling a wounded buffalo. At the center of this predatory watch is not the expression of righteous indignation, but rather the sense that " my unbelief is justified seeing that this is how people of faith turn out." Unfortunately, Harold Camping, Billy Graham, the Pope, or any other mere mortal has never been or will ever be the standard to which we are accountable.

    December 18, 2013 at 6:39 am |
    • David O

      Well, you know that guy Jesus didn't turn out too well either. Managed make up a lot of things just to have people believe in him and follow him. As an apocalyptic preacher, he was as much of a failure as all those that came before and after him.

      December 18, 2013 at 6:44 am |
      • devin

        I imagine you are exceptionally steeped in biblical literature, please, by all means, give a few examples of the things Jesus "made up."

        This should be interesting.

        December 18, 2013 at 6:52 am |
        • David O

          My pleasure:

          "I tell you the truth, some who are standing here will not taste death before they see the Son of Man coming in his kingdom." Matthew 16:28

          "I tell you the truth, some who are standing here will not taste death before they see the kingdom of God come with power. Mark 9:1

          "I tell you the truth, some who are standing here will not taste death before they see the kingdom of God." Luke 9:27

          December 18, 2013 at 6:54 am |
        • Andrew

          Likewise, maybe you can prove that some of the "miracles" in the gospel really happened? You know, like walking on water and all that jazz?

          December 18, 2013 at 6:57 am |
        • devin

          David O

          Seeing that all three of your examples are the same, kind of tips me off that you don't have a very good hand.

          Jesus told His disciples that the "kingdom of God is at hand." Next.

          December 18, 2013 at 7:10 am |
        • David O

          devin

          Matthew 19:28 So Jesus said to them, “Assuredly I say to you, that in the regeneration, when the Son of Man sits on the throne of His glory, you who have followed Me will also sit on twelve thrones, judging the twelve tribes of Israel." Was he wrong since he evidently knew that Judas would sell him out? Matthew 26:21

          December 18, 2013 at 7:14 am |
        • devin

          Andrew

          Nope, can't prove them at all. For me it all starts at Gen. 1:1 " In the beginning God created the heavens and the earth." This concept that God created all this ex nihilo ( out of nothing) makes a simple thing like walking on the water or turning water into wine child's play.

          December 18, 2013 at 7:15 am |
        • Charm Quark

          Devin, jesus lied.
          Truly I say to you, if you have faith and do not doubt, you will not only do what was done to the fig tree, but even if you say to this mountain, 'Be taken up and cast into the sea' it will happen. "And all things you ask in prayer, believing, you will receive." Mat. 21:21-22 NAS
          So many examples of Christians casting mountains into the sea, but I can't recall one event, can you?

          December 18, 2013 at 7:17 am |
        • devin

          David O

          You mean Judas the Son of Perdition who betrayed Christ and eventually hung himself? Think it's possible there came a point in time that Judas was no longer considered a "follower"? Next.

          December 18, 2013 at 7:25 am |
        • devin

          Charm

          I don't think I recall any Christian attempting to pray in faith for mountains to be cast into the sea. Think maybe Jesus was attempting to make a point that in actuality had nothing to do with mountains going into the sea? Next.

          December 18, 2013 at 7:28 am |
        • David O

          devin

          If that was the case, who was the 12th? There is no indication in Matthew 19:28 that he was speaking to a group that did not include Judas.

          December 18, 2013 at 7:30 am |
        • lol??

          Go Davy O, you could read the book of Acts to see the power of God's kingdom. Those people saw the power before they died the first death.

          December 18, 2013 at 7:39 am |
        • devin

          David O

          As you stated, " he evidently knew that Judas would sell him out" he also knew that another would eventually take the place of Judas. Read the rest of the story in the book of Acts.

          December 18, 2013 at 7:42 am |
        • Charm Quark

          Devin
          Ah yes there's the rub. Jesus had to be a very stupid man because he could not make a clear unambiguous statement, he spoke in riddles like a fool. It takes cheap Christian hustlers to interpret , "that is what he said but since he was delusional most of the time, this is what he meant" and glory be there are so many scam artists willing to take up the task. That probably is why there are thousands of different Christian sects that believe their interpretation.
          Nice story but they missed "Jesus went forward to Lazarus and began picking the maggots from his flesh, saying "You will be famous for being the first Zombie on earth."
          PS: See how east it is, I just made that up. My hero is Dionysus, he always had very fine wine, read the Theogony for more information, much of the jesus myth was stolen from that tome.

          December 18, 2013 at 7:44 am |
        • devin

          Charm

          He taught in parables because, just as in your case, " in hearing they do not hear and in seeing they do not see." It would serve you well to learn the meaning of this.

          December 18, 2013 at 7:54 am |
        • David O

          devin

          I am assuming you are referring to Acts 1:26 Where the 11 apostles (absent Judas, of course) selected Matthias to replace Judas. (And they cast their lots, and the lot fell on Matthias. And he was numbered with the eleven apostles.) What is problematic though, is that Jesus is purported to have said in Matthew 19:28 that "you who have followed Me will also sit on twelve thrones." Matthias was not among the twelve until after Jesus was crucified and the apostles selected him to replace Judas. Was Jesus mistaken (again) when he told the twelve then existing apostles that they would sit on twelve thrones? Overall, for a prophet, Jesus seems to not have much vision.

          December 18, 2013 at 8:01 am |
        • Charm Quark

          Devin
          When I was hooked to the narcotic of religion, like Joni, I prayed "Lord won't you buy me a Mercedes-Benz". Didn't work for me still driving a gas guzzling 12 year old Ford pickup. Once you get outside the scam of any religion you realize how cruel it was for people introducing to the scam. Devin you thrive on being a wretched, fallen sinner, desp!cable in your own mind, that requires saving; the good thing is you do not have to, addictions can be beaten.

          December 18, 2013 at 8:05 am |
        • devin

          Charm

          Nope, don't thrive on it at all. I simply recognize the UNAVOIDABLE reality that sin has infected and affected every person and everything on this planet. Now you can choose to deny it, explain it away as some evolutionary defense mechanism or otherwise ignore it, but that changes nothing. " Wretched fallen sinner that requires saving", yep that's the human condition and no degree of rationalization will fix it. Fortunately, unlike your remedy, there really is good news ( the euangelion- i love that transliteration) and that is that in spite of our state of our state of affairs we can have peace with God.

          " Therefore having been justified by faith, we have peace with God through our Lord Jesus Christ."

          – Paul

          December 18, 2013 at 8:25 am |
        • Gordon

          I don't think I recall any Christian attempting to pray in faith for mountains to be cast into the sea. Think maybe Jesus was attempting to make a point that in actuality had nothing to do with mountains going into the sea? Next.
          --
          There are probably millions of instances of christians praying in earnest for someone to be healed from some disease and they died. Are you saying that none of the people praying actually believed it?

          December 18, 2013 at 8:29 am |
        • devin

          Gordon

          " Father, if you are willing, take this cup from me." Didn't happen for Jesus. Maybe there are more to the dynamics of prayer than you realize.

          " Lord, please heal everyone in the world who has any sickness at all, make everyone wealthy and have a smile on their face always, and please fill the world with ice cream and lollipops." And if this doesn't happen I will renounce my faith!!!

          December 18, 2013 at 8:43 am |
        • Charm Quark

          Devin
          There you go again, so you are saying that all 7 billion or so people on earth are sinners that require saving by some jewish messiah because some badly written 200 tear old book says so? I deny you the right to include me and the billions of others be included in your ridiculous beliefs, butt out.

          December 18, 2013 at 8:51 am |
        • Charm Quark

          2000 year old

          December 18, 2013 at 8:52 am |
        • Charm Quark

          Devin I will respond on page 10 easier.

          December 18, 2013 at 9:03 am |
        • devin

          Charm

          "Deny you the right" That's too funny. Do you think we are in a court of law? This is a CNN comments section, anything goes in terms of freedom of expression.

          But, even though you kick and scream, it still includes you.

          December 18, 2013 at 9:03 am |
        • G to the T

          "Read the rest of the story in the book of Acts."

          Oh that is too precious. Why do so many believe the words of Paul and his mininions over those (supposedly) of Jesus?

          It almost as if they were creating the theology as they went along... hmmm....

          December 18, 2013 at 1:40 pm |
        • David O

          G to the T

          They were making it up as they went along. I'll bet even Jesus wouldn't recognize his teaching now.

          December 18, 2013 at 2:18 pm |
    • oh please

      listen to you fools talking about the existence of God, by using a tool of HUMANS, the internet! Wow, talk about irony.

      Wake up....God is a myth, same as the easter bunny

      December 18, 2013 at 6:49 am |
      • David O

        Except with the Easter bunny, you get chocolate eggs.

        December 18, 2013 at 6:52 am |
        • breater1

          the difference between a male easter bunny and a female easter bunny?
          the male easter bunny has this much more chocolate

          December 18, 2013 at 7:19 am |
      • devin

        Thank you so much for clearing that up for me, I honestly believe I will be able to sleep better tonight having that knowledge. You're the best.

        December 18, 2013 at 6:54 am |
      • lol??

        Your sense of irony appears very limited. Now iron that shirt!!

        December 18, 2013 at 8:00 am |
      • dietrich

        Wow, what a non sequitur. There's no conflict between talking about the existence of God using a human invention to do so. Sorry but you flunked on that assertion. Perhaps for *you*, God may be a myth. And you're certainly not alone in your lack of belief. But for several billion people, God is quite real, though we may differ in how we understand and describe God. Belief in a God or many Gods is nearly universal in every culture for tens of thousands of years. Personally, I don't know who or what God is; I only know that there is a God and I'm not it (for good reason, too...lol).

        December 18, 2013 at 8:24 am |
        • devin

          'Personally, I don't know who or what God is, I only know that there is A God and I'm not it."

          Touche. Were I not a Christian, this would be me.

          December 18, 2013 at 8:33 am |
        • G to the T

          I don't find it odd at all that the majority of people in the world believe in a "god" of some kind.
          1) We're all natural born dualists. Dualism (mind/body) is intuitive but wrong.
          2) When an option to assign agency to something arises (is that something in the grass or just wind?) – it's "safer" so assume agency than it is not too (from an evolutionary point of view).
          3) The VAST majority of us are indoctrinated by our parents and culture.

          With all that working against us, is it really any surprise that most people believe in a "god" of some kind?

          December 18, 2013 at 1:45 pm |
    • stingray68

      In other words, you subscribe to the "No True Scotsman" fallacy. Got it. BTW, the religious have always been in the judgment business- don't be surprised when you find your own questionable behavior leaves you open to similar judgment.

      December 18, 2013 at 6:56 am |
      • lol??

        You callin' God a liar when He warns Christians about false brethren?? You want a piece of meat from the sunday morning feasts and family reunions??

        December 18, 2013 at 8:03 am |
    • Science Works

      Devin the pack of wolves are/were the creationists that LOST the text book debate in Texas

      December 18, 2013 at 6:57 am |
      • lol??

        60 mil lost their lives to a SCOTUS debate.

        December 18, 2013 at 8:05 am |
        • Science Works

          lol??

          Here is the link visit it you might learn something !

          A final victory in Texas

          December 17th, 2013
          Texas
          Anti-Evolution
          Climate Change
          2013

          http://ncse.com/news/2013/12/final-victory-texas-0015248

          December 18, 2013 at 9:02 am |
    • sburns54

      They certainly SHOULDN'T be the standard for anyone. But why do so many people of faith fall for the hucksters, con men, know-it-alls, hate mongers, TV personalities, and others, supporting them, and following them like sheep?

      December 18, 2013 at 7:01 am |
      • devin

        Because of what P.T. Barnum was purported to have said.

        December 18, 2013 at 7:22 am |
      • lol??

        Could it be Bloom from the Frankfurt School that messed with their minds when they were youngins??

        December 18, 2013 at 8:11 am |
    • Blessed are the Cheesemakers

      It is always fascinating to watch believers such as yourself use the attacks on a proven religious fraud as an excuse to claim "persecution".

      December 18, 2013 at 7:04 am |
      • devin

        Cheese

        I'll wait right here why you go and find me the reference or inference I made to "persecution". My context was naysayers and the defense mechanism they use.

        December 18, 2013 at 7:32 am |
        • Blessed are the Cheesemakers

          devin,

          You didn't have to use the word explicitly to get that indictation from your post. It was easily apparent.

          also you said

          " my unbelief is justified seeing that this is how people of faith turn out."

          For me and I bet many of us, our unbelief has nothing to do with how a person of faith fails on a personal level, it does have a lot to do with 'here is another example of a person of faith making claims that turn out to be rubbish'. Now the nice part is he made claims that could be verified to be garbage. Usually the claims of the religious are so flaky that they can't so easily be shown to be bunk, but that doesn't make them valid as is often asserted.

          December 18, 2013 at 8:19 am |
        • devin

          Cheese

          There seems to be a pattern of you distorting or misrepresenting what I say or imply, we need to work on that.

          December 18, 2013 at 8:36 am |
        • Blessed are the Cheesemakers

          You are the one who seems to continually deny you "mean" what is apparent at face value. Of course you employ the same strategy when confronted with biblical issues so it is not surprising. And you rarely give any meaningful response as to why such perception of your words is wrong, other than to just say it is.

          You need to work on that.

          December 18, 2013 at 8:48 am |
        • devin

          No, it's called reading comprehension.

          December 18, 2013 at 8:52 am |
        • Blessed are the Cheesemakers

          Another response that fails to clarify why I am wrong in my perception of your post.

          Let's break it down. Harold was just a "person of faith" that just "dropped the ball", you thereby minimize his responsibility in being a religious snake oil salesman and bilking countless people of their money, time, ect and paint poor Harold as an honest person that made a mistake.

          On the other hand we atheists on the belief blog are, "predatory wolves" just waiting to attack the poor helpless "wounded buffalo" (who is just a 'person of faith' remember).

          So painting atheists as "wolves" and persons of faith as "wounded buffaloes" isn't a message of persecution....do you really believe your denials or are they more of a knee jerk reaction at this point.

          December 18, 2013 at 9:13 am |
        • devin

          Cheese

          Why do you persist in this folly? It was you who introduced this term and idea of persecution. I was making the point of how "naysayers" salivate when the fallibility of a person of faith is revealed. As CLEARLY mentioned, the reason I gave for this was the ability to rationalize/ justify their own disbelief. The idea of persecution was never on the table..

          If you wish to continue this game of fumbling semantics, that is your prerogative. Just count me out.

          " And you rarely give any meaningful response as to why such perception of your words is wrong, you just say it is" Sorry, I've got to call you out on this one as pure B.S. In all my responses to you I have carefully explained my rational for what I say and for the answers I give. You simply just disagree with my conclusions and dismiss it as "failure to clarify" I especially take exception to the false assertion that I have side stepped any "biblical issues" Time to put your money where your mouth is and give me some examples of that assertion. I do, however, recognize the fact that we are all prone to dismiss and trivialize opposing views. Case in point, in are communications over the past months I have found the majority of your questions and reasoning to be ill thought, lacking in a degree of basic logic, and at times, quite frankly, trite. And yet, I will acknowledge that from your perspective I'm sure you consider them valid.

          December 18, 2013 at 10:39 am |
        • Blessed are the Cheesemakers

          "As CLEARLY mentioned, the reason I gave for this was the ability to rationalize/ justify their own disbelief."

          Yeah, red herring devin, I don't care what you stated was your intent. The way you started the post CLEARLY said otherwise. And using these cases as your "wounded buffalo" as a reason to rationalize or justify unbelief would be so far down the list of reasons not to believe it would not be worth mentioning other than as a another example of failed christian prophecies going back 2000+ years now.

          You are the one thats so butt hurt about my obsevation that you feel the need to keep this up. I think you know darn well you are being dishonest which is why you keep responding.

          December 18, 2013 at 12:30 pm |
        • devin

          Cheese

          A final thought: You state, "I think you know darn well you are being dishonest WHICH IS WHY YOU KEEP RESPONDING" What we have here is a classic example of what I was referring to when I said that your reasoning skills were " ill thought, lacking in basic logic, and quite frankly, trite." I started this post, you chimed in with questions and statements to which I have responded. This is how the format works. To try and make some kind of causal relationship between my responding and dishonesty is childishly silly, and yet reinforcing of my previous statement. I hope you are able to see precisely how illogical your line of reasoning is. If not, hopefully in time you will.

          Don't worry about those examples of me side stepping "biblical issues" I asked for, I knew it was only subterfuge.

          December 18, 2013 at 2:25 pm |
        • Blessed are the Cheesemakers

          Kind of like I keep waiting for you to make a sensical post about my response to your original statement. You asked where you inferred persecution. I provided it. You or any theist has yet to make an argument about their theology that is demonstrable. You make claims such as the universe is designed by an unembodied mind (whatever that is) and fail to provide any reason to think you are not just making it up, or accepted someone elses made up "answers".

          From above

          "I simply recognize the UNAVOIDABLE reality that sin has infected and affected every person and everything on this planet."

          You side step when you are asked to provide demonstrable proof for such statements. "Sin" is a crime against god. You neither can demonstrate your god nor can you demonstrate what are exactly said "crimes". Oh you can make
          declamatory statements and claims but when asked to provide real objective proof, you sidestep. If your biblical theology was anything more than opinion there would be much wider agreement amongst believers. If it is "unavoidable reality" as you claim it should be pretty easy.

          December 18, 2013 at 2:53 pm |
    • dave

      PLEASE! Man of faith dropped the ball? He was never anywhere near having possession of the ball. The man was either a nut or a con man or a combination of the two. Dropped the ball my butt.

      December 18, 2013 at 7:18 am |
    • Bill

      This was a guy who risked that gullible others would financially harm themselves based on what he predicted.

      Sorry, he deserves to be maligned.

      December 18, 2013 at 7:24 am |
    • barry

      It is not fair to refer to this charlatan as some wounded buffalo. A much better analogy would be a pack of lions taking down a sickly hyena.

      December 18, 2013 at 7:29 am |
  6. children of Israel

    Ezekiel 33:11 Say unto them, As I live, saith the Lord God, I have no pleasure in the death of the wicked; but that the wicked turn from his way and live: turn ye, turn ye from your evil ways; for why will ye die, O house of Israel? – St. Matthew 15:24 But he answered and said, I am not sent but unto the lost sheep of the house of Israel. – 2nd Corinthians 11:22 Are they Hebrews? so am I. Are they Israelites? so am I. Are they the seed of Abraham? so am I.

    December 18, 2013 at 6:33 am |
    • Blessed are the Cheesemakers

      Was Jesus a bigot? Sounds like it.

      December 18, 2013 at 6:37 am |
    • Stephen

      salami salami baloney

      December 18, 2013 at 7:09 am |
  7. lester

    Reblogged this on TribPress News and commented:
    RIP

    December 18, 2013 at 6:31 am |
  8. swipedcard

    How many of his followers lost everything, gave away their homes, assets, jewelry, etc. by following this huckster? In the end, he died of the most pedestrian causes: weakened by stroke, then a fall in his home. Some contrast to "end of the world."

    December 18, 2013 at 5:48 am |
    • Arabian Jesus

      People gave up their material possessions... So what? Not a big deal. This guy had fun during his life with cool predictions and conspiracies. Maybe these people didn't lose anything in the end, but gained something. Kudos to him.

      December 18, 2013 at 6:12 am |
      • Blessed are the Cheesemakers

        If they had any sense they lost some self respect but gained a healthy dose of skepticism towards religious claims.

        December 18, 2013 at 6:18 am |
      • Saraswati

        Have you actually seen what it's like to be poor in old age in the United States? Heartbreaking.

        December 18, 2013 at 7:00 am |
      • Gordon

        I wonder how many of them gave everything away the first time he predicted the end, eventually built themselves back up to being able to support themselves, and then gave it all away again?

        December 18, 2013 at 8:34 am |
  9. Like every other religidiot - he's wrong

    I wonder, if in the last nanoseconds of his pitiful, wasted life, he realized what a complete imbecile he was?

    December 18, 2013 at 5:44 am |
    • Darcy

      A complete imbecile? Did you not read the second last paragraph? $80 million tax free dollars between 2005 and 2009!
      Like every other mega-church preacher he was a rich fraud living off the donations of those who really are complete imbeciles.

      December 18, 2013 at 6:11 am |
      • jerd

        and that's the irony of it all. the whole "easier for a camel to fit in the eye of a needle than a rich man to enter into heaven." but it seems the church goers don't like that passage so they ignore it. being rich these days is "a blessing from god." which contradicts their own scripture.

        camping ruined lives but i believe he did it with good intentions. but then again, the road to hell is paved with good intentions 😀

        sincerely,

        an agnostic.

        December 18, 2013 at 6:32 am |
  10. exodus21v20

    Oh how Harold would use the fact of failed prophesies in order to discredit other prophets. He'd declare the false prophets were speaking for Satan. Then when he becomes the false prophet himself, he doesn't condemn himself but rather takes a year to humbly apologize. Jesus proved himself to be a false prophet when he failed to return to Earth before the believers in his generation passed away. There's no reason to believe Jesus' other claims about himself since he proved to be a liar when he failed to return to the earth before his followers died as he promised.
    Good riddance to Harold, the world is better without people like him that devote themselves to spreading the lies of the Bible to corrupt mankind.

    December 18, 2013 at 5:35 am |
    • Rett

      I do not agree with your assessment of Jesus but at least you don't take the pansy way out and claim He was a good man, good teacher etc..... If He is not what He said He was then he was either a liar or a lunatic......it is hard to say he was good if what he claimed about himself was not true

      December 18, 2013 at 5:47 am |
      • Blessed are the Cheesemakers

        There are other options...'legend' being one.

        December 18, 2013 at 6:07 am |
        • Rett

          You doubt his very existence?

          December 18, 2013 at 6:40 am |
        • Blessed are the Cheesemakers

          "Legend" characteristics can apply to real people.

          Personally I think a great example is King Arthur. The general consensus is he probably existed as a wealthy landowner and legend stories were added and embellished.

          Could have a guy that the Jesus character is based on existed? Yes. Does that make the walking on water story, ect. true? There is no reason to think so.

          I think the most telling aspect as to the question of Jesus' divinity is he imparted no knowledge , philosophically or empiracally, that we did not already have. He understood the world and expressed that understanding exactly as one would expect for his time.

          December 18, 2013 at 6:54 am |
      • nemo0037

        A free thinker doesn't accept such monolithic choices as "Lord, Liar, or Lunatic." The idea that the Bible contains a reliable, historical account of Jesus and his words is preposterous, as is the idea that there are only 3 possible ways to view the man as presented in the New Testament. Much of what the Bible reports Jesus as saying had been said by other religious and philosophical luminaries long before he came on the scene. Some of it was just plain common sense. Some was political rabble-rousing, Some was reflective of contemporary religious dreaming. Must we take all of that and and label it with a single judgement? Sounds ridiculous to me. Ought to sound ridiculous to anyone with a working mind.

        December 18, 2013 at 6:13 am |
        • Blessed are the Cheesemakers

          Lewis' "trilemma" is really more of a "false tricotomy".

          December 18, 2013 at 6:20 am |
        • Rett

          If you have seen me you have seen the father
          I am the way the truth and the life, no man comes to the Father but by me
          I and the father are one.....upon which the Jews sought to stone him because "thou makest thyself God"

          Doesn't seem to be many ways to interpret that and I am not sure who before him made claims like that.....
          He is who he said he was or he lied or was delusional.

          December 18, 2013 at 6:46 am |
        • Blessed are the Cheesemakers

          Rhett,

          You are trusting what others wrote down as to what he said long after he died, there is no reason to think that is an actual accurate quote.

          December 18, 2013 at 6:58 am |
        • Saraswati

          Rhett,

          It's very common for people who are delusional to associate with the gods or historic figures of their culture.

          December 18, 2013 at 7:02 am |
        • G to the T

          Keep trying Rett – you're almost there.

          Check your assumptions – you are assuming that the bible is an accurate testament to not only the words of Jesus, but of every other character given a speaking role in the bible. Do some research, really try to see if that assumption holds water BEFORE you use it as part of an argument.

          December 18, 2013 at 1:52 pm |
  11. children of Israel

    Grace will not save you, God hath mercy upon whom he will. The truth shall make you free. When you deny Christ, you deny the Father. – St. John 10:30 I and my Father are one. – St. Mark 12:29 And Jesus answered him, The first of all the commandments is, Hear, O Israel; The Lord our God is one Lord: – Deuteronomy 6:4 Hear, O Israel: The Lord our God is one Lord:

    December 18, 2013 at 5:30 am |
    • sam stone

      yur god is a pr1ck. only snivellng sycophants want to spend eternity with such a punk. if you are "saved", why stick around this fallen world? if you have tall buildings where you live, step up to (and off for) jesus

      December 18, 2013 at 5:39 am |
      • Rett

        Who licked the red off of your candy?

        December 18, 2013 at 5:51 am |
        • sam stone

          those who claim we need to be "saved" from anything, paricularly the god wannabes who use their view of the bible to blather empty proxy threats, annoy me

          December 18, 2013 at 6:33 am |
        • Name*zedave41

          I like that, who licked the red.....

          December 18, 2013 at 7:00 am |
    • Rett

      You don't think it is by God's grace you are saved? "By grace are you saved through faith....."

      December 18, 2013 at 5:49 am |
    • nemo0037

      God so loved THE WORLD that he gave his only begotten son... so that he could use that son to be a litmus test as to which of the people he "loved" would be tortured forever in hell. Yeah... I think the world doesn't much need THAT sort of "love."

      December 18, 2013 at 6:17 am |
  12. student of the word

    If we would just study the bible for ourselves, we would not believe all the false statements that people make. Remember Jim Jones? David Koresh? Concerning the return of Jesus, Jesus Himself said in Mark 13:32-33 that "no one" knows when He will return except God the Father.

    December 18, 2013 at 5:19 am |
    • saggyroy

      "Truly I say to you, this generation will not pass away until all these things take place."

      December 18, 2013 at 5:26 am |
      • WhatDidYouSay

        read the verse completely and you know Jesus was talking about the generation that would see the "signs". I love how you people take things out of context to discredit the Bible. Why do people like you who hate the Bible and scoff what it says spend so much energy trying to put something down you have no concern for?

        December 18, 2013 at 5:46 am |
        • saggyroy

          And I love it when the good stuff in the bible is literally true, and the bad things are allegories or metaphors. I also love it when believers use single quotes from the bible to prove a point, then things are "taken out of context" if some one else does it.

          And as for hating the bible I do not. I love mythology.

          December 18, 2013 at 5:52 am |
        • David O

          That is the whole verse of Mark 13:32. All verse 13.33 adds is "Take ye heed, watch and pray: for ye know not when the time is." There is nothing about a "generation that would see the "signs". Want to try again?

          December 18, 2013 at 5:55 am |
        • sam stone

          ah, the famous "out of context" dodge

          i don't hate the bible

          it is a book

          hating an inanimate object is just dumb

          i am, however, concerned about people who do read that book wanting to legislate THEIR view of what is says so it is imposed upon everybody, including non-believers

          December 18, 2013 at 5:56 am |
        • Blessed are the Cheesemakers

          "If a bible verse furthers the cause, it is to be taken literally. If a bible verse is detrimental to the cause, it is either: taken out of context; is allegorical; refers to another verse somewhere else; is an ancient cultural anomaly; is a translation or copyist's error; means something other than what it actually says; Is a mystery of god or not discernible by humans; or is just plain magic."

          December 18, 2013 at 5:59 am |
    • David O

      And is this the same Jesus that told his disciples:

      "I tell you the truth, some who are standing here will not taste death before they see the Son of Man coming in his kingdom." Matthew 16:28

      "I tell you the truth, some who are standing here will not taste death before they see the kingdom of God come with power. Mark 9:1

      "I tell you the truth, some who are standing here will not taste death before they see the kingdom of God." Luke 9:27

      All of them have tasted death (i.e. died) and yet there is no kingdom of heave or "god."

      And the reference to Mark 13:32 doesn't get you off the hook because that verse actually states "But of that day and that hour knoweth no man, no, not the angels which are in heaven, neither the Son, but the Father." He told them that it would happen in their lifetime but did not provide a day and hour for it to occur. In any event, all his disciples died without his prophesies coming to pass. Hardly a good record for the "son of god."

      December 18, 2013 at 5:33 am |
      • Rett

        Many think Jesus was referring to the Transfiguration in which some of those he spoke to did get a glimpse of His ushering in his kingdom......I know you are convinced, right:)

        December 18, 2013 at 6:02 am |
      • saggyroy

        Bart Erhman is my co-pilot.

        December 18, 2013 at 6:16 am |
        • David O

          Agreed. I biblical scholar in the true meaning of the word. (no pun intended)

          December 18, 2013 at 6:17 am |
    • Blessed are the Cheesemakers

      Believers who study the bible for "themselves" come to very different opinions....I don't see how your advice is helpful in the least.

      December 18, 2013 at 5:34 am |
      • saggyroy

        That is what I don't get. Why can't you study the bible for yourself? If it's the revealed word of god, then it should speak to everyone from 1 to 100 and say the same thing to them.

        December 18, 2013 at 5:39 am |
        • WhatDidYouSay

          Why do you ask questions of something that you clearly have no intentions of trying to understand? You are a fool wasting your time.

          December 18, 2013 at 5:49 am |
        • Blessed are the Cheesemakers

          One of the main points that chased me away from christianity, people like this like to imply a certain 'objectivity' of truth one can pull from the bible...when the reality is the bible will say almost anything you want it to. How anyone can feel 'certian' about any christian theological teaching is beyond me.

          December 18, 2013 at 5:54 am |
        • saggyroy

          If someone asks questions, they are trying to understand something. Maybe you can answer my question instead of resorting to name calling.

          December 18, 2013 at 5:55 am |
        • WhatDidYouSay

          Maybe because you weren't shown the Truth because it was in your heart to persecute it. This is clear based on the nickname you are using.

          December 18, 2013 at 5:57 am |
        • WhatDidYouSay

          Fool is not a 'name calling', it is a description of your actions on how you are expending your time. You have no intention to understand.

          December 18, 2013 at 5:59 am |
        • saggyroy

          Funny how we could argue all day long and god always agrees with me.

          December 18, 2013 at 6:00 am |
        • Blessed are the Cheesemakers

          "Let me never fall into the vulgar mistake of dreaming that I am persecuted whenever I am contradicted."
          - Ralph Waldo Emerson

          December 18, 2013 at 6:02 am |
        • WhatDidYouSay

          "Blessed are the Cheesemakers"...is that a contradiction, or a form of persecution against someone's belief's? Is that the best you can do is quote someone, and not use your own words? You are weak minded as well. And before I begin to be a fool wasting my life discussing with you, I am off to more productive activities.

          December 18, 2013 at 6:08 am |
        • Blessed are the Cheesemakers

          "Blessed are the Cheesemakers"....

          obviously it's not meant to be taken literally; it refers to any manufacturers of dairy products.

          December 18, 2013 at 6:13 am |
        • saggyroy

          This guy seems to be hung up on deciphering the names we post under. He/She must be a hoot at bible study.

          December 18, 2013 at 6:19 am |
        • saggyroy

          And Saggyroy was the nickname for my grandma's dog. I always thought it was a cool name to post under, or a good name for a band.

          December 18, 2013 at 6:20 am |
        • Blessed are the Cheesemakers

          Yeah I don't think that one had much of a sense of humor.

          I like "saggyroy"....sounds like a basset hound. Be a good name for a cat....

          December 18, 2013 at 6:27 am |
    • "no one" knows when He will return except God the Father"

      Gee, the Father keeps secrets from Jeebus and the mangey chicken named the Holie Ghostie?

      That's not very nice of him. He could at least give them a time-window estimate of when it's all going to happen. I sure hope he gives Jeebus time to pack!

      December 18, 2013 at 5:48 am |
      • Joey

        The real question is how does god keep a secret from Jesus and the holy ghost when they are supposedly one being?

        December 18, 2013 at 11:57 am |
  13. Carl

    The world will always have enough idiots to support con men like this. Desperate to believe in childish fairy tales, people will throw money at anything. Believe anything you want, just stay away from me with that trash!

    December 18, 2013 at 5:12 am |
    • saggyroy

      James Randi totally exposed Peter Popoff in the 80's. Popoff is back on TV stealing peoples money. Nothing stops these crooks and the idiots that support them.

      December 18, 2013 at 5:33 am |
      • sam stone

        sheep are there to be sheared. popoff, mike murdock, benny hinn, et al will be more than happy to help them

        good

        December 18, 2013 at 5:43 am |
  14. dietrich

    Take no joy in the passing of anyone who lived his life walking by faith, even if you don't share his beliefs. And I don't. But I do believe that he and his followers were/are sincere in their beliefs and try to live their lives accordingly. Quite a few denominations interpret the Book of Revelations quite literally, even though this book was almost omitted from the Bible when the Church was deciding which books were canonical. My own belief, and that of many biblical scholars, is that John was writing about real people in his own time, that the Antichrist was a man already living in John's time, but he disguised his views by writing of a book couched in visionary prophetic language.

    December 18, 2013 at 5:11 am |
    • Carl

      Good riddance to trash like him. You can make excuses for him and his followers, but I won't. I truly think it takes a weakened mental capacity to believe such garbage. I have no respect for him or his church of fairy tales. Good riddance and don't come back!

      December 18, 2013 at 5:15 am |
    • "But I do believe that he and his followers were/are sincere in their beliefs"

      So? They were sincerely deluded. They were sincerely WRONG.

      They were SINCERELY INSANE.

      December 18, 2013 at 5:49 am |
      • dietrich

        That's a pretty harsh judgment of people you've never met. I really don't understand why you people invest so much time, energy and emotion to ridicule people who think differently from you over and over again. I don't know anything about this man except that his prophecies were wrong...which he acknowledged; that takes a certain amount of integrity and honesty. I don't know any of his congregation personally, so I won't judge them, their beliefs, or what their faith brought to their lives but it was obviously important enough to them to continue following him and support him and his church financially. Maybe in your eyes, they were foolish but your contempt means nothing to them or those with similar beliefs. But don't you have something better to do with your time?

        December 18, 2013 at 9:19 am |
  15. children of Israel

    No religions, none will be in the kingdom of heaven. The kingdom of God is coming down to earth, but first the wicked will be destroyed off the face of the earth. You want eternal life, Christ said keep the commandments, laws and statutes. The will be no rapture, America will burn from nuclear missiles for it's wickedness. Esau is the ending of the caucasian satanic world and Jacob is the beginning of wisdom, knowledge, and understanding truth. Do you Fear the Lord God I AM Ahayah Bahashem Yashiya. What names are written on the kingdom gates? The 144,000 the twelve tribes of Israel and those who bow down to the Lord God of Israel the mighty One of Jacob God of the Hebrews – Psalm 59:13

    December 18, 2013 at 5:11 am |
    • Carl

      I suppose you still believe in the easter bunny, too. Lol!! It's clowns like you that make m,e laugh out loud at the church and it's fairy tales.

      December 18, 2013 at 5:16 am |
    • No, I don't fear your pathetically POWERLESS and PATHETIC godlette

      Stupid, insane, deluded Christurds!

      December 18, 2013 at 5:50 am |
  16. Bootyfunk

    snake oil salesman that made his money using fear, guilt and ignorance - the pillars of church belief.

    December 18, 2013 at 4:43 am |
  17. Doug

    Has anyone ever noticed how much money these thieves take from people .... How about send me 100 dollars and I will tell you the truth... There is not one ounce of evidence there is a god.. Get a grip folks !

    December 18, 2013 at 4:30 am |
    • saggyroy

      More like send me $100 and I will tell you the truth, and fix your life.........If I feel like it.

      December 18, 2013 at 5:29 am |
  18. KawiMan

    One less id10t in this world!

    Good riddance!!!

    December 18, 2013 at 4:22 am |
  19. Richie Diggs

    "...heard tell once of a Jefferson City Lawyer, who had a parrot, who would awaken each morning crying out, "Today is the day the world shall end, as scripture had foretold!" and so one day, the lawyer shot him, for the sake of peace and quiet, I presume. Thus fulfilling, for the bird at least, its prophecy."

    December 18, 2013 at 4:04 am |
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