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The Browns of reality TV show fame practice polygamy, which they call "plural marriage," for religious reasons.
December 18th, 2013
09:34 AM ET

How I learned to love polygamy

Opinion by Danielle Elizabeth Tumminio, Special to CNN

(CNN) - When I heard a federal judge struck down part of Utah’s polygamy law last week, I gave a little squeal of delight.

To be clear, I'm an Episcopal priest, not a polygamist.  But I've met the family who brought the suit, and these people changed how I think about plural marriage.

Before I met the Browns - made famous by the reality television show “Sister Wives” - I had the kind of reaction most modern-day Christians would have to their lifestyle: Polygamy hurts women. It offers girls a skewed perspective of who they can be. It happens on cultish compounds. It’s abusive.


Yet when the Browns' show debuted, I began to question some of those assumptions, and when I had the opportunity to meet them a few years ago, I questioned them further.

In getting to know Kody, Meri, Janelle, Christine and Robyn, and their children, I saw that these parents were extremely invested in raising girls and boys who were empowered to get an education, become independent thinkers and have a moral compass.

Indeed, children were so important to them not because they wanted to create more young polygamists - the Browns want their children to choose their own beliefs - but because their children were the people who would join them in heaven, and they wanted to raise a family kind enough, good enough, to achieve that goal.

The result is four parents equally invested in their children, and a gaggle of young people who are neither spoiled nor timid, entitled nor brainwashed.

The result is also four parents who strive to model what being empowered people of faith looks like in contemporary America.

Since meeting the Browns, I have become a supporter of them and their lifestyle, though I certainly can understand why others remain opposed.

So much negative publicity has been generated - and rightly so - by fundamentalist Mormon Warren Jeffs and his followers that it leaves little room in the American imagination to think that polygamy could be something different.

When I talk about the Browns with my friends and colleagues, most are opposed to my position, believing that the women could not possibly be respected, that the children could not possibly receive the attention they deserve.

MORE: Judge strikes down part of Utah polygamy law in 'Sister Wives' case

But it’s crucial to remember that, when done well, polygamy works because the participants have a different goal for marriage than monogamous couples: Most Americans believe that marriage is for the purpose of cultivating intimacy between two people, both sexual and emotional.

But for the Browns that takes a distant second to the goal of cultivating a community that together can reach heaven. It’s a different way of thinking about marriage and family, but it’s not inherently an abusive one.

Ultimately, I support the decision to loosen restrictions on polygamy because families such as the Browns exist who endeavor every day to live kind, healthy lives that are not harmful, not abusive.

I also believe there are theoretical reasons why, as a Christian, it makes sense to support healthy polygamous practices. It’s a natural extension for those Christians who support same-sex marriage on theological grounds. But even for those opposed to same-sex marriage, polygamy is documented in the Bible, thereby giving its existence warrant.

Some might say that supporting polygamy means supporting the abuse of women. But saying that it is OK for Christians to support plural marriage is not the same as saying that they should condone its abusive practices. Indeed, Christians should not, and cannot, do this.

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It does mean, though, that there is room for Christians to support the right of consenting adults to make choices about marriage that align with their religious beliefs in a country that prides itself on religious freedom.

Through their television show, the Browns helped America learn that polygamists are just like the rest of us - they dress like us, go to public school like us, eat at Olive Garden like us - they just have more people committed to one another than the rest of our families do.

Finally, like us, they want to practice their faith. And as long as that practice is in the service of cultivating loving, healthy relationships that strive to honor God and neighbor, I believe it is possible for even nonpolygamous Christians such as myself to support their calling.

Danielle Elizabeth Tumminio is an Episcopal priest and author of  "God and Harry Potter at Yale: Teaching Faith and Fantasy Fiction in an Ivy League Classroom." The views expressed in this column belong to Tumminio. 

- CNN Religion Editor

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  1. lol??

    Manifestations of the Kingdom of God are already on the planet.
    lol??
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    Luk 7:28 For I say unto you, Among those that are born of women there is not a greater prophet than John the Baptist: but he that is least in the kingdom of God is greater than he.

    How can this be?? Training.

    December 19, 2013 at 12:10 pm |
  2. lol??

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    Bullies austin

    lol??
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    Socies without any moral ground will think up something and make it legal.

    The purpose of this society (Registered Society Lebensborn – Lebensborn Eingetragener Verein) was to offer to young girls who were deemed “racially pure” the possibility to give birth to a child in secret. The child was then given to the SS organization which took charge in the child’s education and adoption.

    December 19, 2013 at 9:57 am | Report abuse | Reply
    Austin
    six months later and they are still erasing your comments?
    thats rediculous. hey at least your ip adress still works i got the boot for making a comment on reza aslan.

    hey and the one prophetic dream that i did give to end religion, DID HAPPEN.

    and instead of considering what i was saying it was deleted and my email adress was banned. that is communist like control.

    December 19, 2013 at 12:04 pm |
    • midwest rail

      "... that is communist like control. "
      Incorrect. Do feel free to feed your persecution complex, though.

      December 19, 2013 at 12:06 pm |
      • D MURDOCH

        Or, pretend to be a horse's rear end like I do and no body gonna noed nuthin, right Sam Bo?

        December 19, 2013 at 12:12 pm |
        • midwest rail

          Gibberish.

          December 19, 2013 at 12:14 pm |
        • D MURDOCK

          who pretended? I b a horse's rear-end.

          December 19, 2013 at 12:16 pm |
  3. mzh

    Islam is the only place where a woman get her feminine rights and this is a open challenge to the mankind by the One Who Created the mankind and the entire universe and anything on it…

    Let’s see what Islam commands to the children to The Mother :

    4:1 – O mankind! Be dutiful to your Lord, Who created you from a single person (Adam), and from him (Adam) He created his wife [Hawwa (Eve)], and from them both He created many men and women and fear Allah through Whom you demand your mutual (rights), and (do not cut the relations of) the wombs (kinship) . Surely, Allah is Ever an All-Watcher over you.

    17:23 – And your Lord has decreed that you worship none but Him. And that you be dutiful to your parents. If one of them or both of them attain old age in your life, say not to them a word of disrespect ([so much as], "uff,"), nor shout at them but address them in terms of honour.

    17:24 – And lower unto them the wing of submission and humility through mercy, and say: "My Lord! Bestow on them Your Mercy as they did bring me up when I was small."

    A woman as a wife:
    30:21 – And of His signs is that He created for you, from yourselves wives that you may find tranquillity in them; and He placed between you affection and mercy. Indeed in that are signs for a people who give thought.

    2:187 – They (women) are Libas [i.e. body cover, or screen, or Sakan, or garments (i.e. you enjoy the pleasure of living with her – as in Verse 7:189), for you (Men) and you are the same for them (Women).

    There are many more…

    I hope it will help those who think Islam does not value women… and you wouldn’t find these commands to man in any other books and this is also open challenge… but unfortunately most of the men in Islam do not treat their women as they commanded to…. But they will be held accountable on that day when they will be standing in front of The Creator for accountability… I hope they will have something to say on that day…

    Peace!!!

    December 19, 2013 at 11:16 am |
    • Colin

      I read alI need to know about Islam in the New York Time on September 12, 2001.

      December 19, 2013 at 11:17 am |
      • mzh

        Would you go to an auto mechanic to get treatment for your illness? I wouldn't...

        December 19, 2013 at 11:28 am |
        • Roger that

          Colin has a point. If religion can influence someone to commit such violence and destruction, what purpose does it serve society? Why should anyone spend two minutes of their time investigating the possibilities that it might positively influence their life when they know how detrimentally it influences others and what harm it can do?

          December 19, 2013 at 11:47 am |
      • Lucifer's Evil Twin

        I like Islam (religion of peace)... right before they shoot at you or set off their IED vests they yell 'Allah Ak'bar!' Makes it much easier to know who to empty your magazine into...

        December 19, 2013 at 11:35 am |
        • mzh

          I here you L…

          I strongly believe that Allah is most great and just and HE will never do any injustice to any of His creation… when someone is abusing anything, he would certainly be accountable, if not in this life, certainly in hereafter…

          Quran teaches: saving a soul as you are saving the entire mankind and harming a soul as you are harming the mankind…. But people in Islam do abuse as people do in any other faith…

          December 19, 2013 at 11:42 am |
        • Lucifer's Evil Twin

          I am not comforted... your book of lies vs. christian book of lies... neither have any relevance to me...

          December 19, 2013 at 11:47 am |
        • mzh

          To L:

          I am not here to comfort you or convince you... its only you, who can convince or comfort yourself...

          I am here just to let you know that this is what the book (Qoran) says and it is up to individual... there is no compulsion in religion (2:256)...

          Peace be upon you...

          December 19, 2013 at 11:55 am |
        • Lucifer's Evil Twin

          wa 'alaykum salaam

          December 19, 2013 at 12:15 pm |
        • mzh

          To L:

          I am glad to read you… 🙂

          The Quran teaches when you greet back, greet back with something better or at least similar but not less… in your case, you did the similar and not better or less… i am impressed...

          here is the verse which commands about greet back with something better:

          4:86 – When you are greeted with a greeting, greet in return with what is better than it, or (at least) return it equally. Certainly, Allah is Ever a Careful Account Taker of all things.

          When someone greets with: Assalamo ‘alaykoum (may the peace and blessings be upon you (all))
          In reply: Wa ‘alaykoum assalam warahmatullahi wabarkatuh (and the peace and blessings be up on you as well and the mercy of Allah be upon you and may Allah increase in your sustenance)

          🙂 🙂 🙂

          The Quran is the way of daily life... as it says that there is no doubt that this Quran is guidance for mankind who are righgteous ones...

          Peace

          December 19, 2013 at 2:03 pm |
    • igaftr

      Islam peace? That is a lie.
      Doesn't your koran tell you that in the end days, the rocks and trees will call out if there is a jew behind them hiding, calling on you to kill them?

      December 19, 2013 at 11:20 am |
      • mzh

        You have been incorrectly taught and misguided by either yourself or others...

        December 19, 2013 at 11:31 am |
        • igaftr

          Not really.
          I know also that your koran tells you that you may enter into a contract with an infidel, but you do not have to honor it. You only need to honor your commitment to other muslims.

          December 19, 2013 at 11:37 am |
        • mzh

          @ igaftr:

          You are totally wrong…

          Here is what Quran teaches about being just:
          3:135 – O you who believe! Stand out firmly for justice, as witnesses to Allah, even though it be against yourselves, or your parents, or your kin, be he rich or poor, Allah is a Better Protector to both (than you). So follow not the lusts (of your hearts), lest you may avoid justice, and if you distort your witness or refuse to give it, verily, Allah is Ever Well-Acquainted with what you do.

          There are many more…

          December 19, 2013 at 11:49 am |
        • Maddy

          How does that passage address what igaftr posted?

          December 19, 2013 at 11:54 am |
        • mzh

          To Maddy:
          When one commits to any contract, it has to be honoured regardless of faith. Its like when it comes to justice one should be just even if it goes against himself.

          Please read the contract was made between Muhammad (pbuh) and Meccans while Muslim wanted to enter Mecca after more than a decade and Meccans made Muhammad (pbuh) to sign a contract. It will give you clue how a contract should be honoured regardless of one’s background…

          Peace!!!

          December 19, 2013 at 12:01 pm |
        • Maddy

          So a Muslim HAS to honor a contract with an "infidel"? No matter what?

          December 19, 2013 at 12:08 pm |
        • igaftr

          mhz
          You must be an American Muslim. I assure you, what I referred to is being taught to the muslims in the middle east and asia.

          December 19, 2013 at 12:36 pm |
        • mzh

          To Maddy: YES, promise is promise…

          To igaftr:
          I am proud to be a Muslim first and then American and I try to educate myself everyday… the main issue I find among the Muslim community (where you are referring to mostly) are not educated but they just follow blindly to their uneducated leaders mostly… Islam does want everyone to know their responsibility toward Allah, toward the creation as everyone will be standing alone and there will not be any counsellor to talk on behalf on that day…

          I even saw Muslims does makes partners with Allah by being ignorant or uneducated... they go to grave yard and asks for favor which contradict entirely the fundamental of the faith...

          Peace!!!

          December 19, 2013 at 1:18 pm |
    • mzh

      Even Jesus in Quran was commanded to be dutiful to Marry the mother of Jesus:

      19:29 – So she pointed to him. They said, "How can we speak to one who is in the cradle a child?"

      19:30 – [Jesus] said, "Indeed, I am the servant of Allah . He has given me the Scripture and made me a prophet.

      19:31 – And He has made me blessed wherever I am and has enjoined upon me prayer and zakah as long as I remain alive

      19:32 – And [made me] dutiful to my mother , and He has not made me a wretched tyrant.

      December 19, 2013 at 11:25 am |
      • Madtown

        Is the Quran the inspired word of God?

        December 19, 2013 at 11:34 am |
        • Lucifer's Evil Twin

          I thought it was the god-inspired word of a pedaphile

          December 19, 2013 at 11:37 am |
        • mzh

          To Madtown:
          In Islam there is no concept of ‘inspired word of God’ as it is in other faiths…

          The entire Quran is word of Allah and was sent to Muhammad via angel Gabreal based on the needs… it took total 23 years to complete the revelation (10 years in Mecca and 13 years in Medina), mekkans revelation are mostly related to tauheed (oneness of Allah) and medina revelations are mostly related to laws…

          Here are few verses talks about the Quran was sent down and there are lot more:
          12:1 – Alif-Lam-Ra. [These letters are one of the miracles of the Quran, and none but Allah (Alone) knows their meanings]. These are the Verses of the Clear Book (the Quran that makes clear the legal and illegal things, legal laws, a guidance and a blessing).

          12:2 – Verily, We have sent it down as an Arabic Quran in order that you may understand.

          25:1 – Blessed be He Who sent down the criterion (of right and wrong, i.e. this Quran) to His slave (Muhammad SAW) that he may be a warner to the 'Alamin (mankind and jinns).

          41:2 – [This is] a revelation from the Entirely Merciful, the Especially Merciful –

          41:3 – A Book whereof the Verses are explained in detail; A Quran in Arabic for people who know.

          Quran is not a creation but it is word of Allah as it commands to the mankind to do good and avoid bad and so on…

          Peace!!!

          December 19, 2013 at 1:33 pm |
    • Reality # 2

      As noted previously, mzh suffers from a severe case of being Bred, Born and Brainwashed in Islam. Below is a potential cure:

      o Islam gives women almost no rights and treats them like fodder for the male species as so bluntly noted by Aya-an Hi-rsi Ali in her autobiography, In-fidel.

      "Thus begins the extraordinary story of a woman born into a family of desert nomads, circu-mcised as a child, educated by radical imams in Kenya and Saudi Arabia, taught to believe that if she uncovered her hair, terrible tragedies would ensue. It's a story that, with a few different twists, really could have led to a wretched life and a lonely death, as her grandmother warned. But instead, Hi-rsi Ali escaped – and transformed herself into an internationally renowned spokeswoman for the rights of Muslim women."

      ref: Washington Post book review.

      some excerpts:

      "Some of the Saudi women in our neighborhood were regularly be-aten by their husbands. You could hear them at night. Their scre-ams resounded across the courtyards. "No! Please! By Allah!"

      "The Pakistanis were Muslims but they too had cas-tes. The Untou-chable girls, both Indian and Pakistani were darker skin. The others would not play with them because they were unt-ouchable. We thought that was funny because of course they were tou-chable: we to-uched them see? but also hor-rifying to think of yourself as un-touchable, des-picable to the human race."

      "Between October 2004 and May 2005, eleven Muslim girls were ki-lled by their families in just two regions (there are 20 regions in Holland). After that, people stopped telling me I was exa-ggerating."

      "The kind on thinking I saw in Saudi Arabia and among the Brotherhood of Kenya and Som-alia, is incompatible with human rights and liberal values. It preserves the feu-dal mind-set based on tr-ibal concepts of honor and shame. It rests on self-deception, hypro-cricy, and double standards. It relies on the technologial advances of the West while pretending to ignore their origin in Western thinking. This mind-set makes the transition to modernity very painful for all who practice Islam".

      More on the treatment of females in Islam:

      Islam’s widespread practice of amputating the cli-to-ris and sometimes part or even all of the vul-va from the ge-n-ita-lia of Muslim women, affirmed in a had-ith by Mohammed himself, most likely also traces back to the founder’s deliberate abuse of se-x to lure pagan males into his cu-lt. The more the male s-ex drive is purposefully aro-used, the more the female s-ex urge may have to be proportionately suppressed, lest org-iastic he-ll begin to spread.

      Consider then what frequently happens when even a modestly clothed young Western woman walks alone in broad daylight down a street in, for example, a non-Westernized area of a city in Pakistan. Muslim men around her can see her face, hair and neck—maybe even her ankles. Some of them perceive that much exposure as intent on her part to a-rouse them. The fact that she is not accompanied by a male relative confirms their susp-icions. Knowing that she, a Western woman, has not been subjected to that cruel amputation which Islam forces upon millions of Muslim women, some males may even imagine that she must feel s-exual desire for them.

      They tend also to perceive themselves as not responsible to exercise decent social restraint. Rather she is responsible not to tempt them! Whatever lewd thing Muslim men around her say, do or feel as a result is regarded as her fault alone. . . .
      During a major upheaval in Indonesia in the late 1990s, s-ex-crazed Muslim men gang-ra-ped dozens of Chinese women in shops, homes and even in the streets, shouting in Arabic, “Allahu Akbar!” (God is great!)*

      *http://www.colorq.org/humanrights/Indonesia/Jakarta.htm

      December 19, 2013 at 11:42 am |
    • Saraswati

      "Men are the maintainers of women because Allah has made some of them to excel others and because they spend out of their property; the good women are therefore obedient, guarding the unseen as Allah has guarded; and (as to) those on whose part you fear desertion, admonish them, and leave them alone in the sleeping-places and beat them; then if they obey you, do not seek a way against them; surely Allah is High, Great.""

      Quran 4:34. Plenty more where that came from. Charming book.

      December 19, 2013 at 12:18 pm |
      • mzh

        Saraswati:

        I am glad that you have mentioned this verse and as you said there would be many more…

        It looses the meaning when you translate to any other language… what you have mentioned is there in the quran but not the way you are reading it… if you have a friend who speaks Classical Arabic, go to him/her and ask to explain and then you will see whether it make sense or not…

        I also would like to suggest you to study/read the verses talks about the process of divorce and I can challenge you that you will be amazed and would say these words can not be from any human… I would just mention here one simple thing, a man is commanded not to divorce his wife while she goes through her monthly cycle and why is that? Because during that time a woman is not normal as she goes through difficulties and over and over it is mentioned to be merciful to her…

        I hope it will help …

        Peace!!!

        December 19, 2013 at 1:46 pm |
        • Saraswati

          Ah, , yeah, the husband can't send her those lovely and convenient "I divorce you" text messages when he's pis.sed and as.sumes all is the fault of her cycle that makes her fraction as emotionally reactive as your average man. And a woman's divorce rights under Islam? What a joke.

          I love the "You can't understand it in English but even I can't explain it" cop out. Nice try. If you had an answer that didn't make Islam look like the se.xist hell it is you would have provided it.

          December 19, 2013 at 4:10 pm |
        • mzh

          Saraswati:

          You got the divorce process in Islam wrong... it is not like you said "I divorce you"... there are a process to follow... I understand you have been experienced some incident which the uneducated with name Muslim did something like that by not knowing... and this types of ignorant folks are there in everywhere... please do not judge Islam with those few folks...

          I am sure you know the word 'Islam' means... it means 'Peace' and the peace should be established in any types of relationships in order to live this earthly life regardless of faith... unfortunately most of the folks in Islam do not know and apply what they learn from the culture which is totally mixed up with unislamic stuffs...

          Peace!!!

          December 20, 2013 at 10:26 am |
        • Reality # 2

          Obviously, mzh is the only Muslim that knows the rules. Very strange !!!

          December 20, 2013 at 1:05 pm |
    • Alias

      Islam is no more or less violent than christianity.
      Any religion or philosophy can inspire desperate people to do violent things.

      December 19, 2013 at 1:01 pm |
      • mzh

        Violence is totally prohibited in Islam but I am sure you see whats going on around the earth… does not mean they follow the teaching of Islam…

        December 19, 2013 at 1:48 pm |
        • midwest rail

          " Violence is totally prohibited in Islam "
          Sorry, but the perpetrators of violence are using the exact same book you use, only they use it to justify their actions.

          December 19, 2013 at 1:51 pm |
        • Reality # 2

          http://www.muslimaccess.com/quraan/arabic/005.asp et al

          From the Koran: Where are the errors?

          o "Believers, take neither Jews nor Christians for your friends." (Surah 5:51)
          o
          "Believers, when you encounter the infidels on the march, do not turn your backs to them in flight. If anyone on that day turns his back to them, except it be for tactical reasons...he shall incur the wrath of God and Hell shall be his home..." (Surah 8:12-)

          "Make war on them until idolatry shall cease and God's religion shall reign supreme." (Surah 8:36-)

          "...make war on the leaders of unbelief...Make war on them: God will chastise them at your hands and humble them. He will grant you victory over them..." (Surah 9:12-)

          "Fight against such as those to whom the Scriptures were given [Jews and Christians]...until they pay tribute out of hand and are utterly subdued." (Surah 9:29-)

          "It is He who has sent forth His apostle with guidance and the true Faith [Islam] to make it triumphant over all religions, however much the idolaters [non-Muslims] may dislike it." (Surah 9:31-)

          "If you do not fight, He will punish you sternly, and replace you by other men." (Surah 9:37-)

          "Prophet make war on the unbelievers and the hypocrites and deal rigorously with them. Hell shall be their home." (Surah 9:73)

          "Believers, make war on the infidels who dwell around you. Deal firmly with them." (Surah 9:121-)

          "Say: 'Praise be to God who has never begotten a son; who has no partner in His Kingdom..." (Surah 17:111)

          "'How shall I bear a child,' she [Mary] answered, 'when I am a virgin...?' 'Such is the will of the Lord,' he replied. 'That is no difficult thing for Him...God forbid that He [God[ Himself should beget a son!...Those who say: 'The Lord of Mercy has begotten a son,' preach a monstrous falsehood..." (Surah 19:12-, 29-, 88)

          "Fight for the cause of God with the devotion due to Him...He has given you the name of Muslims..." (Surah 22:78-)

          "Blessed are the believers...who restrain their carnal desires (except with their wives and slave-girls, for these are lawful to them)...These are the heirs of Paradise..." (Surah 23:1-5-)

          "Muhammad is God's apostle. Those who follow him are ruthless to the unbelievers but merciful to one another." (Surah 48:29)

          "Shall the reward of goodness be anything but good?...Dark-eyed virgins sheltered in their tents...They shall recline on green cushions and fine carpets...Blessed be the name of your Lord..." (Surah 55:52-66-)

          December 19, 2013 at 5:16 pm |
        • Reality # 2

          As the koranic/mosque driven acts of terror and horror continue:

          The Muslim Conquest of India – 11th to 18th century

          ■"The likely death toll is somewhere between 2 million and 80 million. The geometric mean of those two limits is 12.7 million. "

          and the 19 million killed in the Mideast Slave Trade 7C-19C by Muslims.

          and more recently

          1a) 179 killed in Mumbai/Bombay, 290 injured

          1b) Assassination of Benazir Bhutto and Theo Van Gogh

          2) 9/11, 3000 mostly US citizens, 1000’s injured

          3) The 24/7 Sunni-Shiite centuries-old blood feud currently being carried out in Iraq, US troops killed in action, 3,480 and 928 in non combat roles. Iraqi civilians killed as of 05/10/2013/, 113,249-123,978 mostly due to suicide bombers, land mines and bombs of various types, http://www.iraqbodycount.org/ and http://www.defenselink.mil/news/casualty.pdf

          4) Kenya- In Nairobi, about 212 people were killed and an estimated 4000 injured; in Dar es Salaam, the attack killed at least 11 and wounded 85.[2]

          5) Bali-in 2002-killing 202 people, 164 of whom were foreign nationals, and 38 Indonesian citizens. A further 209 people were injured.

          6) Bali in 2005- Twenty people were killed, and 129 people were injured by three bombers who killed themselves in the attacks.

          7) Spain in 2004- killing 191 people and wounding 2,050.

          8. UK in 2005- The bombings killed 52 commuters and the four radical Islamic suicide bombers, injured 700.

          9) The execution of an eloping couple in Afghanistan on 04/15/2009 by the Taliban.

          10) – Afghanistan: US troops 1,385 killed in action, 273 killed in non-combat situations as of 09/15/2011. Over 40,000 Afghan civilians killed due to the dark-age, koranic-driven Taliban acts of horror

          11) The killing of 13 citizen soldiers at Ft. Hood by a follower of the koran.

          12) 38 Russian citizens killed on March 29, 2010 by Muslim women suicide bombers.

          13) The May 28, 2010 attack on a Islamic religious minority in Pakistan, which have left 98 dead,

          14) Lockerbie is known internationally as the site where, on 21 December 1988, the wreckage of Pan Am Flight 103 crashed as a result of a terrorist bomb. In the United Kingdom the event is referred to as the Lockerbie disaster, the Lockerbie bombing, or simply Lockerbie. Eleven townspeople were killed in Sherwood Crescent, where the plane's wings and fuel tanks plummeted in a fiery explosion, destroying several houses and leaving a huge crater, with debris causing damage to a number of buildings nearby. The 270 fatalities (259 on the plane, 11 in Lockerbie) were citizens of 21 nations.

          15 The daily suicide and/or roadside and/or mosque bombings in the terror world of Islam.

          16) Bombs sent from Yemen by followers of the koran which fortunately were discovered before the bombs were detonated.

          17) The killing of 58 Christians in a Catholic church in one of the latest acts of horror and terror in Iraq.

          18) Moscow airport suicide bombing: 35 dead, 130 injured. January 25, 2011.

          19) A Pakistani minister, who had said he was getting death threats because of his stance against the country's controversial blasphemy law, was shot and killed Wednesday, 3/2/2011

          20) two American troops killed in Germany by a recently radicalized Muslim, 3/3/2011

          21) the kidnapping and apparent killing of a follower of Zoraster in the dark world of Islamic Pakistan.

          22) Shariatpur, Bangladesh (CNN 3/30/2011) - Hena Akhter's last words to her mother proclaimed her innocence. But it was too late to save the 14-year-old girl. Her fellow villagers in Bangladesh's Shariatpur district had already passed harsh judgment on her. Guilty, they said, of having an affair with a married man. The imam from the local mosque ordered the fatwa, or religious ruling, and the punishment: 101 lashes delivered swiftly, deliberately in public. Hena dropped after 70 and died a week later.

          23) "October 4, 2011, 100 die as a truck loaded with drums of fuel exploded Tuesday at the gate of compound housing several government ministries on a busy Mogadishu street. It was the deadliest single bombing carried out by the al Qaeda-linked al-Shabab group in Somalia since their insurgency began. "

          o 24) Mon Jun 4, 2012 10:18am EDT
          o
          BAGHDAD (Reuters) – A suicide bomber detonated an explosive-packed car outside a Shi'ite Muslim office in central Baghdad on Monday, killing at least 26 people and wounding more than 190 in an attack bearing the hallmarks of Iraq's al Qaeda affiliate.

          The bombing on a Shi'ite religious office comes at a sensitive time, with the country's fractious Shi'ite, Sunni and Kurdish blocs locked in a crisis that threatens to unravel their power-sharing deal and spill into sectarian tensions."

          25) BURGAS, Bulgaria | Thu Jul 19, 2012 11:27am EDT

          (Reuters) – A suicide bomber carried out an attack that killed seven people in a bus transporting Israeli tourists in Bulgaria, the interior minister said on Thursday, and Israel said Iranian-backed Hezbollah militants were to blame.

          26 ) September 12, 2012
          U.S. AMBASSADOR KILLED
          Envoy to Libya dies in rocket blast

          27) Boston Marathon horror – April 2013, four dead, hundreds injured and maimed for life.

          December 19, 2013 at 5:18 pm |
      • Rowen

        Take islam back to the east. America is not stuck in the 1500s. This whole religion is crap. Crap that brutalizes women and " infidels". Infidels are anyone who is not Muslim. I say bloke the towels off there head because apparently it is causing brain damage.

        January 14, 2014 at 11:32 pm |
  4. RB

    I think Pascal’s Wager can be useful, if you limit the scope to there could be a God, or there is not a God, and consider it only to the point of having a reason to seek God. You obviously can’t pretend to believe in God, but if the thought that there could be a God leads you to seek, I think it is a valid reason.

    http://plato.stanford.edu/entries/pascal-wager/#4
    A number of authors read Pascal as arguing that you should believe in God — see e.g. Quinn 1994, and Jordan 1994a. But perhaps one cannot simply believe in God at will; and rationality cannot require the impossible. Pascal is well aware of this objection: “[I] am so made that I cannot believe. What, then, would you have me do?”, says his imaginary interlocutor. However, he contends that one can take steps to cultivate such belief:

    You would like to attain faith, and do not know the way; you would like to cure yourself of unbelief, and ask the remedy for it. Learn of those who have been bound like you, and who now stake all their possessions. These are people who know the way which you would follow, and who are cured of an ill of which you would be cured. Follow the way by which they began; by acting as if they believed, taking the holy water, having masses said, etc. …
    But to show you that this leads you there, it is this which will lessen the passions, which are your stumbling-blocks.

    We find two main pieces of advice to the non-believer here: act like a believer, and suppress those passions that are obstacles to becoming a believer. And these are actions that one can perform at will.

    Believing in God is presumably one way to wager for God. This passage suggests that even the non-believer can wager for God, by striving to become a believer. Critics may question the psychology of belief formation that Pascal presupposes, pointing out that one could strive to believe (perhaps by following exactly Pascal's prescription), yet fail. To this, a follower of Pascal might reply that the act of genuine striving already displays a pureness of heart that God would fully reward; or even that genuine striving in this case is itself a form of believing.

    According to Pascal, ‘wagering for God’ and ‘wagering against God’ are contradictories, as there is no avoiding wagering one way or another: “you must wager. It is not optional.” The decision to wager for or against God is one that you make at a time—at t, say. But of course Pascal does not think that you would be infinitely rewarded for wagering for God momentarily, then wagering against God thereafter; nor that you would be infinitely rewarded for wagering for God sporadically—only on the last Thursday of each month, for example. What Pascal intends by ‘wagering for God’ is an ongoing action—indeed, one that continues until your death—that involves your adopting a certain set of practices and living the kind of life that fosters belief in God. The decision problem for you at t, then, is whether you should embark on this course of action; to fail to do so is to wager against God at t.

    Pascal's Wager vies with Anselm's Ontological Argument for being the most famous argument in the philosophy of religion. As we have seen, it is a great deal more besides.

    December 19, 2013 at 10:34 am |
    • Dyslexic doG

      but why seek a mythical figure?

      why seek your particular god?

      why not seek santa or the tooth fairy or the pink fluffy flying unicorn? there is equal evidence for the existence of all of them?

      December 19, 2013 at 10:39 am |
      • Live4Him

        @Dyslexic doG : but why seek a mythical figure?

        Circular logic. You presume that God is a mythical figure (without presenting any evidence) and then decide NOT to seek to find out if it is true. Sounds like you're afraid of the possibility.

        December 19, 2013 at 10:43 am |
        • JWT

          There is no reason to search for mythical figures. The real world is enough.

          December 19, 2013 at 10:58 am |
        • HotAirAce

          Given that there is not a single bit of physical, factual, verifiable, objective or independent evidence for any believer cult's alleged gods, calling them mythical is logical and generous.

          December 19, 2013 at 11:06 am |
        • TV1

          That is a personal opinion. Not a universal fact.

          December 19, 2013 at 11:08 am |
        • Colin

          Provide evidence that the Tooth Fairy is a myth.

          December 19, 2013 at 11:18 am |
        • Roger that

          "You presume that God is a mythical figure (without presenting any evidence) and then decide NOT to seek to find out if it is true. "

          You are correct. No one can prove that a god does not exist. You, like many of us former believers, HAVE sought to find out if a god exists. What evidence do you have that a god does exist?

          December 19, 2013 at 11:26 am |
        • Joey

          it seems perfectly logical to assume that there is no god until a believer can deliver proof that there is a god.

          December 19, 2013 at 1:08 pm |
      • RB

        From the same source as the OP.

        2. Zero probability for God's existence. Strict atheists may insist on the rationality of a probability assignment of 0, as Oppy 1990 among others points out. For example, they may contend that reason alone can settle that God does not exist, perhaps by arguing that the very notion of an omniscient, omnipotent, omnibenevolent being is contradictory. Or a Bayesian might hold that rationality places no constraint on probabilistic judgments beyond coherence (or conformity to the probability calculus). Then as long as the strict atheist assigns probability 1 to God's non-existence alongside his or her assignment of 0 to God's existence, no norm of rationality has been violated.

        Furthermore, an assignment of p = 0 would clearly block the route to Pascal's conclusion. For then the expectation calculations become:

        E(wager for God) = ∞×0 + f1×(1 − 0) = f1
        E(wager against God) = f2×0 + f3×(1 − 0) = f3

        And nothing in the argument implies that f1 > f3. (Indeed, this inequality is questionable, as even Pascal seems to allow.) In short, Pascal's wager has no pull on strict atheists.[9]

        December 19, 2013 at 11:07 am |
        • igaftr

          RB
          Holy cow...this guy is actually trying to defend Pascals Wager...a fools errand.

          There are not only two choices. There are an inifinite number of possibilities invalidating the base premise, which is why it is a fallacy.
          You need a choice for EVERY god, and all gods that might be, then all of the other possibilities that do not include god.

          STop wasting your time with pascals wager...it is a red hering, that is nothing but a waste of time.

          December 19, 2013 at 11:13 am |
        • RB

          That is true and only one of many criticisms. If you’re interested the source is a very interesting summary of the top arguments for and against.

          December 19, 2013 at 11:23 am |
        • igaftr

          Not interested at all. Pascals wager is a complete waste of time.

          December 19, 2013 at 11:25 am |
    • Madtown

      if you limit the scope........
      ----
      Doesn't this nullify the entire process?

      December 19, 2013 at 11:02 am |
      • RB

        As originally written, it was limited as stated above. All the additions came from others.

        December 19, 2013 at 11:10 am |
    • lunchbreaker

      The argument is based on wagering consequences. And the consequences of believing in the wrong God are the same as believing in no God at all.

      December 19, 2013 at 11:18 am |
      • RB

        True

        December 19, 2013 at 11:23 am |
    • lol??

      Why debate when man's rules have ruled out God??

      December 19, 2013 at 12:02 pm |
  5. Doc Vestibule

    "I confess that I cannot forbid a person to marry several wives, for it does not contradict the Scripture. If a man wishes to marry more than one wife he should be asked whether he is satisfied in his conscience that he may do so in accordance with the word of God. In such a case the civil authority has nothing to do in the matter."
    – Martin Luther

    God described King David as a man after His own heart.
    In all his life, God could only point to one instance in which David did the wrong thing.
    "Because David did that which was right in the eyes of the LORD, and turned not aside from any thing that he commanded him all the days of his life, save only in the matter of Uriah the Hitt.ite. "
    – 1 Kings 15:5.

    In the Hitt.ite affair, David knocked up someone else's wife and tried to hide his sin by killing the husband.
    His sin was in adultery, murder and deception, not polygamy.
    But in the end, God was so pleased with David that He gave him a whole harem of wives and concubines – and would have given him even more!
    "And I gave thee thy master's house, and thy master's wives into thy bosom, and gave thee the house of Israel and of Judah; and if that had been too little, I would moreover have given unto thee such and such things."
    – 2 Samuel 12:8.

    To "take someone into your bosom" in the Bible implies an intimate and likely se.xual relationship, as in the case of the handmaiden Abraham got pregnant. When his wife Sarai started to regret her decision, she stated:
    "This wrong is your fault. I gave my handmaid into your bosom, and when she saw that she had conceived, I was despised in her eyes."
    – Genesis 16:5

    God doesn't seem to take polygamy into account when determining someone's righteousness.
    The number of spouses you have isn't an issue for God, but it sure is to those humans who seek to impose their interpretation of His will on others.

    December 19, 2013 at 8:47 am |
    • Live4Him

      @Doc Vestibule : The number of spouses you have isn't an issue for God, but it sure is to those humans who seek to
      impose their interpretation of His will on others

      Based upon the leanings of the commentators on this forum, it seems to be an issue with the agnositc/atheist more than it does Christians. Just count the number of posts (for / against) and segment them by beliefs (non-believer/Christian), and you'll see this for yourself.

      December 19, 2013 at 9:06 am |
      • Saraswati

        If you have a point to make and have evaluated the numbers post your results. I see nothing of the sort to inspire such a count, nor would I consider a CNN discussion board a representative sample.

        December 19, 2013 at 9:09 am |
        • Live4Him

          Perhaps you should have directed this comment to Doc V.

          December 19, 2013 at 10:32 am |
        • HotAirAce

          Lie4It, it was you, not Doc V, that suggested someone review expressed support by believers vs atheists. Have you done such a review? If no, why not? If yes, what were the results?

          December 19, 2013 at 10:49 am |
        • Maddy

          You seem to be the one bringing up a comment poll, Live4Him.

          December 19, 2013 at 10:49 am |
      • Blessed are the Cheesemakers

        I don't know about the others but I support Polygamy under the conditions that the people involved are consenting adults. I also think as for as the gov't is concerned it should only recognize the marriage contract of 2 participants and any other legal binding contract needs to be dealt with privately.

        December 19, 2013 at 9:50 am |
        • Saraswati

          Due to the legal complexities involved this is probably how polygamous relationships will have to work into the near future. To add someone who needs immigration rights one may have to divorce the legal existing spouse.

          December 19, 2013 at 10:21 am |
        • ME II

          Perhaps the government should get out of marriage altogther and only settle contracts be they between two parties or more.

          December 19, 2013 at 12:59 pm |
        • Blessed are the Cheesemakers

          ME II,

          I agree with that sentiment to the extent that I want the gov't to treat people equally and fairly, if that means they get out of defining who is and is not "married", I would be OK with that and have suggested it as a solution myself. There is baggage with that solution ....but I think regardless any solution needs to have "equal treatment under the law" as a main concern.

          December 19, 2013 at 1:41 pm |
        • Saraswati

          ME II, How do you plan to handle immigration, military housing, survivor benefits and the many other very real legal issues surrounding marriage?

          December 19, 2013 at 4:12 pm |
      • bacbik

        no you count

        December 19, 2013 at 10:08 am |
    • Justice

      Great point, Doc. And I agree also with the comment re. the hatred, intolerance and bigotry embraced by many of the bloggers on this board. There's no hope in overcoming such ignorance. Sorry Atlanta, and thank you New York as its crystal clear that these festering wounds lie in the heart of CNN as well.

      December 19, 2013 at 10:50 am |
    • RB

      Doc,
      David was a man after God’s own heart because of his faith. He was just as capable of sin as any other human. It wasn’t his righteousness, it was his faith.

      December 19, 2013 at 11:19 am |
      • Doc Vestibule

        "Because David did that which was right in the eyes of the LORD, and turned not aside from any thing that he commanded him all the days of his life, save only in the matter of Uriah the Hitt.ite. "
        – 1 Kings 15:5.

        December 19, 2013 at 11:39 am |
      • Doc Vestibule

        And besides, God spoke directly to David on more than one occasion.
        When you have direct interactions with a god, can you really call it faith?

        December 19, 2013 at 12:52 pm |
        • RB

          Yes, it is still faith, just much stronger. To whom much is given, much is expected. Most of those commended for their faith in Hebrews 11 also had direct interactions with God.

          David was obedient to the instructions God gave him and yet he could still sin just as well as any human.

          Come to God with the faith you have, he will give you the faith you need.

          December 19, 2013 at 1:30 pm |
        • igaftr

          RB
          "Come to God with the faith you have, he will give you the faith you need"

          That would explain a lot....I tried for years, and got nothing as a response.....I must not need any faith at all then.

          December 19, 2013 at 1:35 pm |
  6. Equality

    If I am expected to give my partner my undivided attention I expect my partner will give me their undivided attention.
    That being said if someone wants to make a different choice than I make it's none of my business, and it's not the business of the government either.

    December 19, 2013 at 5:22 am |
  7. Lionly Lamb

    Marriages have had a long history trail down Life's Ages... As seasonal tempests arresting of the graphic will ever make haste sizable within many salted cloisters ever to be eating of the same old slop alongside social riff-rafts whose saving graces indemnify the damned...

    December 19, 2013 at 1:22 am |
  8. mosdef

    Goodnews on the horizon if you revert to islam you can have four wives treat them equally love them equally respect them

    December 18, 2013 at 10:54 pm |
    • Col. Klink

      Can they have four husbands?

      December 18, 2013 at 10:58 pm |
      • Sargent Shultz

        I know nothing

        http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=DVG1q49yPaY#t=0

        December 18, 2013 at 11:24 pm |
        • 7

          Hello guys.

          Everyone is invited to visit,

          http://www.thetreasureofzion.com

          December 18, 2013 at 11:31 pm |
        • Col. Klink

          Even Schultz could spell "sergeant."

          December 18, 2013 at 11:36 pm |
        • Lionly Lamb

          Sometimes one spells them the way one smells them and my nose knows nothing...

          December 19, 2013 at 12:42 am |
      • Lionly Lamb

        http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e1iHxjdHI1M&feature=player_embedded

        December 18, 2013 at 11:30 pm |
    • Reality # 2

      o Islam gives women almost no rights and treats them like fodder for the male species as so bluntly noted by Aya-an Hi-rsi Ali in her autobiography, In-fidel.

      "Thus begins the extraordinary story of a woman born into a family of desert nomads, circu-mcised as a child, educated by radical imams in Kenya and Saudi Arabia, taught to believe that if she uncovered her hair, terrible tragedies would ensue. It's a story that, with a few different twists, really could have led to a wretched life and a lonely death, as her grandmother warned. But instead, Hi-rsi Ali escaped – and transformed herself into an internationally renowned spokeswoman for the rights of Muslim women."

      ref: Washington Post book review.

      some excerpts:

      "Some of the Saudi women in our neighborhood were regularly be-aten by their husbands. You could hear them at night. Their scre-ams resounded across the courtyards. "No! Please! By Allah!"

      "The Pakistanis were Muslims but they too had cas-tes. The Untou-chable girls, both Indian and Pakistani were darker skin. The others would not play with them because they were unt-ouchable. We thought that was funny because of course they were tou-chable: we to-uched them see? but also hor-rifying to think of yourself as un-touchable, des-picable to the human race."

      "Between October 2004 and May 2005, eleven Muslim girls were ki-lled by their families in just two regions (there are 20 regions in Holland). After that, people stopped telling me I was exa-ggerating."

      "The kind on thinking I saw in Saudi Arabia and among the Brotherhood of Kenya and Som-alia, is incompatible with human rights and liberal values. It preserves the feu-dal mind-set based on tr-ibal concepts of honor and shame. It rests on self-deception, hypro-cricy, and double standards. It relies on the technologial advances of the West while pretending to ignore their origin in Western thinking. This mind-set makes the transition to modernity very painful for all who practice Islam".

      More on the treatment of females in Islam:

      Islam’s widespread practice of amputating the cli-to-ris and sometimes part or even all of the vul-va from the ge-n-ita-lia of Muslim women, affirmed in a had-ith by Mohammed himself, most likely also traces back to the founder’s deliberate abuse of se-x to lure pagan males into his cu-lt. The more the male s-ex drive is purposefully aro-used, the more the female s-ex urge may have to be proportionately suppressed, lest org-iastic he-ll begin to spread.

      Consider then what frequently happens when even a modestly clothed young Western woman walks alone in broad daylight down a street in, for example, a non-Westernized area of a city in Pakistan. Muslim men around her can see her face, hair and neck—maybe even her ankles. Some of them perceive that much exposure as intent on her part to a-rouse them. The fact that she is not accompanied by a male relative confirms their susp-icions. Knowing that she, a Western woman, has not been subjected to that cruel amputation which Islam forces upon millions of Muslim women, some males may even imagine that she must feel s-exual desire for them.

      They tend also to perceive themselves as not responsible to exercise decent social restraint. Rather she is responsible not to tempt them! Whatever lewd thing Muslim men around her say, do or feel as a result is regarded as her fault alone. . . .
      During a major upheaval in Indonesia in the late 1990s, s-ex-crazed Muslim men gang-ra-ped dozens of Chinese women in shops, homes and even in the streets, shouting in Arabic, “Allahu Akbar!” (God is great!)*

      *http://www.colorq.org/humanrights/Indonesia/Jakarta.htm

      December 18, 2013 at 11:36 pm |
  9. Russ

    Danielle Tummunio said: "[Polygamy is] a natural extension for those Christians who support same-s.ex marriage on theological grounds."

    I'm really surprised not to find g.ay marriage advocates pushing back from this statement. in the past, they've bent over backwards to distance themselves from such analogies. it's the kind of thing the far right has argued to the detriment of the g.ay lobby.

    December 18, 2013 at 9:49 pm |
    • Saraswati

      Nobody cares now that we've pretty much won. Polygamy would have to be defined before anyone could even vote on it, and it will likely take decades even to define. All this ruling was about was cohabitation laws.

      December 18, 2013 at 9:54 pm |
      • Russ

        @ Saraswati:
        funny what 24 hours does. suddenly it's important again with the Duck Dynasty stuff.

        December 19, 2013 at 4:17 pm |
        • Saraswati

          That's not about legality of marriage, though, but about who is rrespected as a person. Like we aren't arguing about whether blacks can vote but atill fighting raciam.

          December 20, 2013 at 7:24 am |
  10. Lionly Lamb

    Sensorial arousals flowing within a body of cohesive cellular grandeur-giving uniform conductivity will forever be played out among and upon and even within pedestal conditioning formations be they celestially mobile within terrestrial platitudes or are of the sub-straits found upon the atomically inclined areas… Nothingness is the ‘Great Encompassing Force’…

    Atheistic arousals flowing amid many theistic accolades have always been a historic normalcy within socialized humanisms ever ebbing and flowing upon mostly humane psychic tidal influences creating many high-minded social pyramids linked to bonded hierarchal existentialisms...

    As I see things, matrimonial relationships should be considered as being 'civil business' propositions whereby law abiding agreements should be declared among all parties conceiving in civil marriages be they monogamous or polygamous... It's time to put an end to any and all social prohibitions of polygamous civil marriages...

    Speaking of ‘prohibition’, let’s rid this world of cannabis prohibition’s 1930s outlawing of its medicinal uses not to mention its stalk fiber usages for paper, ropes and textiles let alone the uses of cannabis seeds as a staple food source for man and beasts…

    December 18, 2013 at 9:47 pm |
  11. Russ

    Danielle Tumminio said: "But even for those opposed to same-se.x marriage, polygamy is doc.umented in the Bible, thereby giving its existence warrant."

    There are lots of things that are doc.umented in the Bible that are also explicitly repudiated (murder, adultery, etc.). This argument does not make sense. By this logic, *everything* is acceptable.

    Moreover, as many commentators have noted: virtually every instance of polygamy in Scripture (especially in Genesis) blows up in the participants' faces. It's much more logical to view such examples as subversive statements against polygamy – especially with later explicit statements prohibiting polygamy.

    December 18, 2013 at 9:42 pm |
    • Lori

      It's all interpretation, all the time.

      December 19, 2013 at 10:14 am |
      • Russ

        @ Lori: funny how no one says that when it says "forgive one another" or "love your enemies."

        December 19, 2013 at 4:09 pm |
    • ME II

      @Russ,
      "....especially with later explicit statements prohibiting polygamy."

      And those are?

      December 19, 2013 at 1:04 pm |
      • Russ

        @ ME II:
        here's a helpful overview with tons of references for you:
        http://www.letusreason.org/Biblexp75.htm

        December 19, 2013 at 4:16 pm |
  12. Mopery

    Verb noun conjunction adjective regurgitation.

    December 18, 2013 at 9:11 pm |
  13. Lionly Lamb

    Atheistic arousals flowing amid many theistic accolades have always been a historic normalcy within socialized humanisms ever ebbing and flowing upon mostly humane psychic tidal affluences creating many high-minded social pyramids of hierarchal existentialism... Go Figure...

    Sensorial arousals flowing within a body of cohesive cellular grandeur-giving uniform conductivity will forever be played out among and upon and even within pedestal conditioning formations be they celestially mobile within terrestrial platitudes or are of the sub-straits found upon the atomically inclined areas… Nothingness is the ‘Great Encompassing Force’…

    December 18, 2013 at 9:01 pm |
  14. RB

    For some perspective consider Gods idea of marriage.

    Genesis 2:24
    Therefore shall a man leave his father and his mother, and shall cleave unto his wife: and they shall be one flesh.

    December 18, 2013 at 8:33 pm |
    • skepticAL

      That's not politically correct or anywhere as good as I am.

      December 18, 2013 at 8:37 pm |
  15. Lionly Lamb

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=B4xejnsLwKE

    December 18, 2013 at 8:12 pm |
  16. rebeccahaworth108

    Let people do what they want as long as they aren't hurting anyone. I'm sure it has it pitfalls but you can't support marriage equality and not support the right of polygamy.

    December 18, 2013 at 7:58 pm |
    • Saraswati

      It's not as simple as "polygamy" or not, though. By polygamy I assume you mean allowing both men and women to marry multiple partners. Are all people married to person X also considered married to one another? Do all have to approve a new spouse? The spouse of a spouses spouse? Do all have to approve a divorce. If one divorces are all divorced? If you marry 1000 people in a mass ceremony do they all get citizenship? Does the person your spouses spouses spouse married that you never met have parental rights on your child?

      December 18, 2013 at 8:15 pm |
      • Alias

        Exactly.

        December 19, 2013 at 9:55 am |
    • Lionly Lamb

      As I see things, matrimonial relationships should be considered as being 'civil business' propositions whereby law abiding agreements should be declared among parties conceiving in all marriages be they monogamous or polygamous... It's time to put an end to the social prohibition of polygamy...

      December 18, 2013 at 8:26 pm |
      • Saraswati

        How would a civil arrangement grant someone the right to live in the US to live with their spouse?

        December 18, 2013 at 9:56 pm |
        • Lionly Lamb

          They call what your asking as being early adulthood living arrangements...

          December 18, 2013 at 10:33 pm |
  17. Lionly Lamb

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IMfLzPzY2-s&feature=player_detailpage

    December 18, 2013 at 7:44 pm |
  18. ryanwin

    From a religious standpoint, the only times polygamy was considered good and not evil in the bible was when it was specifically sanctioned by God through his prophets. It was good when Abraham and Jacob did it, but was evil when Solomon did it. It was only practiced during times when the chosen people were small in number and was meant to build up their numbers, it appears. Then it was no longer practiced. This family is claiming polygamy as a tenet of their religion, which is an offshoot of the LDS faith. When their prophet disbanded the practice, those who refused to obey left, formed an offshoot religion, and claimed to have a new prophet who was orthodox, never understanding the temporary nature of polygamy throughout the records found in the Bible.

    From a political standpoint, policies and taxes should not infringe on religious or marital rights. If there is a problem with taxing or providing welfare benefits to polygamous families, the taxing and welfare benefits should be adjusted, not the families.

    December 18, 2013 at 7:37 pm |
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