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Does Phil Robertson get the Bible wrong?
Phil Robertson of A&E's "Duck Dynasty" has been suspended for his comments on homosexuality.
December 20th, 2013
11:23 AM ET

Does Phil Robertson get the Bible wrong?

By Daniel Burke, CNN Belief Blog Co-Editor

(CNN) - The Robertson family of "Duck Dynasty" fame has rallied around its patriarch, saying his controversial comments on homosexuality are "grounded in the teachings of the Bible." But Scripture is fiercely contested ground, and some experts say Phil Robertson misinterprets a key Bible verse.

A&E, the network that broadcasts the hugely popular "Duck Dynasty" show, suspended Robertson for a now infamous interview with GQ magazine. In the article, Robertson, who became a born-again Christian in the 1970s after a prodigal youth, is asked to define "sin."

Here's what Robertson says: “Start with homosexual behavior and just morph out from there. Bestiality, sleeping around with this woman and that woman and that woman and those men."

Robertson, 67, then paraphrases a Bible passage from the New Testament: “Don’t be deceived. Neither the adulterers, the idolaters, the male prostitutes, the homosexual offenders, the greedy, the drunkards, the slanderers, the swindlers - they won’t inherit the kingdom of God.”

That's a pretty close citation of 1 Corinthians 6:9-10, which is a letter from Paul, often called the father of Christianity theology, to a fledgling Christian community in Corinth, Greece.

Here's what Paul's passage says, as rendered in the New International Version, by far the most popular translation among evangelicals and conservative Christians such as Robertson:

"Do not be deceived: Neither the sexually immoral nor idolaters nor adulterers nor men who have sex with men, nor thieves nor the greedy nor drunkards nor slanderers nor swindlers will inherit the kingdom of God."

Evangelicals, who make up about a quarter of the U.S. population, tend to take that passage at face value. The Robertson family pastor, for instance, told CNN on Thursday that "the verse explains itself."

Robertson himself is no religious neophyte. He's an elder in the White's Ferry Road Church of Christ and offers spiritual counseling, charity and Bible studies to many in his hometown of West Monroe, Louisiana, the family pastor, Mike Kellett told CNN.

The "Duck Dynasty" star also preaches around the country to conservatives that flock to hear his blend of woodsy, plainspoken Christianity.

Many conservatives backed Robertson's views on Scripture and homosexuality this week, if not the "crude" way he argued his point to GQ.

My Take: The Bible really does condemn homosexuality

But other Bible experts said the Scripture Robertson cited isn't quite clear about homosexuality.

"A lot of people misread this text because it's so complicated," said O. Wesley Allen Jr., an associate professor at Lexington Theological Seminary in Kentucky.

First, scholars say, we have to look at the context surrounding Paul's letter.

The Christian leader is trying to get the quarreling Corinthians to stop taking each other to civil courts and being judgmental. "The very fact that you have lawsuits among you means you have been completely defeated already," Paul says.

Things were supposed to be different after they became Christian believers, Paul continues; they were supposed to stop their sinful ways.

Then Paul lists some of their sins of the past, including greed, drinking too much, worshipping idols and sexual immorality. "That is what some of you were," Paul says. "But you were washed, you were sanctified, you were justified in the name of the Lord Jesus Christ and by the Spirit of our God."

The list of sins is likely based on rumors that Paul heard about Corinth, says Warren Throckmorton, a psychology professor at Grove City College in Pennsylvania who has studied the Bible's teachings on homosexuality. Bible scholars call it a "vice list," and it appears several times in Scripture.

So what does Paul's "vice list" say about homosexuality? That's the tricky part.

The first word Paul uses is "malakoi," which means "soft" in Greek, according to Allen. By analogy, the word came to mean "effeminate," which is how the King James Version of the Bible translates it.

"In the ancient world, it would refer to a boy in a relationship with an older man," Allen said. "It was pederasty, not homosexuality as we think of it today."

The other relevant word on Paul's "vice list" is "arsenokotai," which means "male sex." It refers to the other half in the man-boy relationship, common in Greece at the time, Allen said, the older male having sex with the "soft one."

"It isn't anything to do with what we would see today in an intimate, mutual relationship between gay adults," said Allen, who is co-authoring an upcoming book on homosexuality and heterosexuality in the church.

My Take: The Bible’s surprisingly mixed messages on sexuality

Even so, scholars such as Allen acknowledge there are no Bible passages that support same-sex relationships, and at least seven that appear to condemn gay sex.

"There's no way around the fact that those passages take a negative view of homosexuality, and nowhere in the Bible is a positive view offered," Allen said. "So conservatives and liberals continue to debate."

Liberals say that some parts of the Bible offered particular truths for a specific times and places but those times and places, as well as human understanding of sexuality, have progressed dramatically.

"The Bible may be divinely inspired, but its authors were human and saw, as St. Paul puts it, through a glass darkly," said Jim Naughton, a Christian gay rights activist and communications consultant. "On the subject of homosexuality, the Bible doesn’t mean what Phil Robertson thinks it means."

Conservatives such as Robertson, on the other hand, argue that the Bible is the bedrock of their faith, unchanging and unalterable. "We want you to know that first and foremost we are a family rooted in our faith in God and our belief that the Bible is His word," the Robertson family said Thursday.

For decades, the gulf between the two sides has divided denominations, churches and families. To paraphrase Lincoln, both sides read the same Bible and pray to the same God, and both invoke his aid to argue against each other. Which is why our contemporary debate over homosexuality is so fierce, and so seemingly unending.

- CNN Religion Editor

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  1. One one

    The bible condones killing babies.

    1 Samuel 15:3
    “Now go and smite Amalek, and utterly destroy all that they have, and spare them not; but slay both man and woman, infant and suckling, ox and sheep, camel and ass.”

    December 20, 2013 at 5:09 pm |
    • JFCanton

      Context is important. The point of this story was that rather than obeying the command Saul attempted to profit by ransoming the Amalekite king and by taking the Amalekite livestock rather than killing it.

      And at any rate, apologia for Samuel and Judges are really the problem of Jews, if they are necessary at all... they are mostly histories with minimal dogmatic significance.

      December 20, 2013 at 5:23 pm |
    • Christian

      The bible says Amalek, not everybody. We need to understand what we read sometimes. Could it be that God was bringing judgement?

      December 20, 2013 at 5:31 pm |
  2. Marie

    God's word will not change no matter how man tries to manipulate it. sin is sin, no matter how big or small. His word will not change to please any groups.

    December 20, 2013 at 5:09 pm |
    • Free Nuts

      Marie could be a serious contender for today's Award for the Fundy Method of Inquiry and Verification.

      December 20, 2013 at 5:12 pm |
  3. One one

    The bible condones torture.

    Revelation 9:4-6 : "they were allowed to torment them for five months, but not to kill them, and their torment was like the torment of a scorpion when it stings someone. And in those days people will seek death and will not find it. They will long to die, but death will flee from them.”

    December 20, 2013 at 5:06 pm |
    • teapartysamurai

      Funny you can't cite the scripture where torture is condemned. Nice try

      December 20, 2013 at 5:08 pm |
      • One one

        Are you saying this passage is not god's word ?

        December 20, 2013 at 5:26 pm |
    • Danny Boy

      Since God will mass-torture most of the human race for the rest of eternity, it would only be natural for him to like torturers.

      December 20, 2013 at 5:09 pm |
  4. Kelibeanz

    When Jesus died on the cross, all sin was forgiven.. Love thy neighbor as thyself and accept Jesus is all you need to do, period!! Most Christian Church's also miss this... The law, the ten commands all old testament no longer applies once Jesus died for our sins.. It was all forgiven right then and there!

    December 20, 2013 at 5:05 pm |
    • Doris

      And here's another thing that Christians don't agree upon. So, to become a believer again, why shouldn't I just run down to Mexico City and join that Xtian sect that still sacrifices people?

      December 20, 2013 at 5:10 pm |
      • TJ Treers

        because since jesus died on the cross we dont have to sacrifice any more

        December 20, 2013 at 5:20 pm |
    • Colin

      What is the only thing capable of making 40% of the country utterly fvcking stupid enough to think the entire Universe began less than 10,000 years ago with one man, one woman and a talking snake:

      (a) a horrid disease of the mind

      (b) a failed education system

      (c) a successful Al Qaeda plot to destroy the future of the country; or

      (d) Christianity?

      December 20, 2013 at 5:11 pm |
      • fred

        The Bible is trap to the godless and you fall into every time. Where you fail is that your brand of fundamentalism is as blind to the truth as those who promote ID, New Earth and no evolution all by clinging to the pride of life. You heard the serpent, bit into the apple of desire now shake you fist at God. Have you noticed the Bible you attack predicted your choice in the beginning (Genesis 3). You are not in Garden as you are stripped naked of God as were Adam and Eve. Death is the result. Are you even aware that you have no hope outside of your organic matter reacting to chemical stimuli?
        That is existence without God. Exactly what does that look like?

        December 20, 2013 at 6:05 pm |
        • robbie357

          WELL DONE!!!!!

          December 20, 2013 at 6:10 pm |
    • Allison

      But Jesus also said that if you love him you will keep my commandments. Many of them, if not all, are repeated in the New Testament, along with a whole bunch more of do's and don'ts. If I'm not striving to be like him and following his laws then it must mean I don't love him!

      December 20, 2013 at 5:34 pm |
  5. Cman

    The Human rectum is the cesspool of the Human body...just sayin'

    December 20, 2013 at 5:05 pm |
    • Observer

      Why do so many heteros engage in sodomy?

      December 20, 2013 at 5:07 pm |
    • somethingstellar

      Tell that to the plenty of straight men out there who love sticking it up their gf's butts.

      December 20, 2013 at 5:07 pm |
    • ParmaJeff

      So don't swim in it, idiot.

      December 20, 2013 at 5:07 pm |
    • Free Nuts

      me thinks Cman thinks about this.....a lot...

      December 20, 2013 at 5:15 pm |
  6. Fact

    Would anyone be surprised that Ducky's home town has numerous KKK rallies and demonstrations?

    December 20, 2013 at 5:05 pm |
    • somethingstellar

      I'd be more surprised to hear he DIDN'T participate in them.

      December 20, 2013 at 5:07 pm |
    • bubba

      I would not be suprised nor would I be suprised if FACT lived in "Frisco"

      December 20, 2013 at 5:16 pm |
  7. Colin

    I wonder if the harm religion has done to women and $exual minorities throughout time is worse than all of the $exually transmitted diseases humans have ever suffered with throughout history.

    On the one hand, you have AIDS, VD, syphilis, etc. On the other hand, you have all the young Hindu and Muslim girls forced into marriages they do not want – often to older men, all the fundamentalist Mormons in polygamous relationships, all the young gay men in all three monotheist religions, all the young gay women in all three monotheist religions, the little females babies who have their c.litorises clipped off, the women accused of adultery, the Catholic women who stay in abusive or loveless marriages due to social stigma and/or prohibitions on divorce, all the unwanted pregnancies due to prohibitions on contraceptives, all the unwanted births due to prohibitions on abortion, all the gay adults who cannot marry or[once] were thrown out of the military.

    It would be hard to decide; but what is very telling is that it IS hard to decide what is worse, religion or all of the $exual diseases in the World.

    December 20, 2013 at 5:04 pm |
    • fred

      Excellent point and by the same token we have no idea what a godless existence for mankind would have looked like. The RCC built a lot of hospitals and orphanages. Our top universities were of Christian origin. Without what appears to be an instinct to worship since the beginnings of recorded history we would have been very different.
      It is unreasonable to promote godlessness when the result is unknown.

      December 20, 2013 at 5:16 pm |
    • One one

      If god created everything, he created those diseases, along with all other diseases. Therefore, god must want us to have them. Let us pray and give thanks to The Lord !

      December 20, 2013 at 5:24 pm |
      • fred

        Almost correct. God does not want us to suffer yet we choose the way of suffering when we are drawn into the delusion of Eve . Anytime you want you can choose to reject the delusion and accept the way the truth and life of Christ. In Christ you see the truth where the suffering is limited to the physical delusion while reality includes the hope in a promise where God wipes away every tear and makes all things new.

        December 20, 2013 at 5:46 pm |
  8. Albert Balbert

    Why can't gays drive faster than 68mph? Because at 69 they blow a rod

    December 20, 2013 at 5:04 pm |
    • ParmaJeff

      What are you, 9?

      December 20, 2013 at 5:04 pm |
    • Observer

      Albert,

      Grow up.

      December 20, 2013 at 5:05 pm |
    • john

      hahahaahaa.....gonna have to steal that one

      December 20, 2013 at 5:58 pm |
  9. Alias

    According to this bible, it all started with an all-knowing, all-seeing, and all-powerful God making billions and billions of stars, heaven, angels, and hell because he wanted one garden with one man made in his image. He later made a woman from a rib to keep his pet happy.
    In this garden, he put a tree the Adam was not supposed to eat from, just to tempt Adam. A talking serpent convinced Eve to eat from the tree, and Eve convinced Adam. Even though God saw this coming, he got very angry.
    That was when God gave every person who had not been born yet responsibility for a sin. The original sin was applied to us all.
    Now, because God didn’t want to send us all to hell, he had to get a married virgin pregnant and torture the child to death 30 years after it was born. The bible is very clear here, the all-powerful creator of everything had no other option.

    December 20, 2013 at 5:03 pm |
    • Alias

      Here are some of the things I just don’t understand:
      1) If he had either made Adam and a little better, or not made Eve at all, or kept that serpent out of the garden, or not put the tree in the middle of the garden, there would not be billions of souls suffering in hell for eternity. In fact, he would not have needed hell at all.
      2) Couldn’t god have just not blamed us for the sin we didn’t commit, and judged us purely on our own actions instead of making and killing jesus?
      3) How can people think this actually happened, and use the bible as an excuse to be prejudice against others today?

      December 20, 2013 at 5:03 pm |
      • Colin

        Yes, it's a bit like Ian Flemming blaming James Bond for being a dork

        December 20, 2013 at 5:06 pm |
      • Also

        How did omniscient God not know how his creations would act or what would happen when he made him,. and why did he blame them and all their descendants (nice morality) for is own botched design work?

        December 20, 2013 at 5:07 pm |
        • GodisGood

          an omnipotent God knows what love is. Love is a product of free will. If there is a choice to love, then there is a choice to not love. We are not robots, or animals who are programmed. We are his ultimate creation of love, created in his own image. If we did not have free will, what is love? Is love just something we are programmed to give like a stepford wife? True love can only be attained by free will and choice. There must be evil in the world for free willing people like ourselves to understand true love.

          December 20, 2013 at 5:17 pm |
      • Ingot

        The definition of SCARY in the 21st century...

        Millions of people believe this hogwash!! And you are considered rude and/or militant if you point out how utterly painfully ridiculous and absurd the whole fable is.....wow.

        December 20, 2013 at 5:08 pm |
      • travis

        1) having someone love you with no choice is not love.
        2) sin didn't exist before, after Adam it did. He only judges is on what wet do now, Jesus was just a way for us to be pure again.
        3) there is tons of factual evidence in the bible it's click to believe some magical big bang happened to form everything just perfecT for life.

        December 20, 2013 at 5:16 pm |
    • Topher 2

      I think I love you.

      December 20, 2013 at 5:06 pm |
      • Alias

        X X X O O O

        December 20, 2013 at 5:08 pm |
    • bubba

      Yeah and ever since then, especially since Roe v Wade, people stopped torturing and killing their children 30 years after they were born and said, ""F-it" let's just kill our children in the womb just to be better than God".

      December 20, 2013 at 5:25 pm |
  10. sonnie3

    To say all Christians hate Gay people is a big untruth/ however we do feel sorry for them as the need help and are lost to eternal salvation if they do against the Lords will. It is only mans law and political correctness that goes along with the sinful condition that the gays promote. We pray for them and certainly don't hate the person in question. Rather we would like to help them get past an unnatural situation. Merry Christmas and Happy New Year!

    December 20, 2013 at 5:03 pm |
    • Doris

      Now what about the other Christians who are already marrying gays? What say you about that part of the over 40,000 sects?

      December 20, 2013 at 5:04 pm |
  11. One one

    The bible condones r a p e.

    2 Samuel 12:11: “Thus says the LORD, 'Behold, I will raise up evil against you out of your own house. And I will take your wives before your eyes and give them to your neighbor, and he shall lie with your wives in the sight of this sun.”

    December 20, 2013 at 5:02 pm |
  12. somethingstellar

    I would just like to know...
    Why did anyone think a backwoods Louisiana duck hunting Christian was going to be full of pearls of wisdom in the first place?
    Unless I need advice on duck hunting or seducing my sister, he'd be among the last people I'd seek wisdom from.

    December 20, 2013 at 5:02 pm |
  13. Spell Check Police

    Zeus, Odin, Ra, and Tiamat enter a tavern but only see 3 stools....stop me if you've heard this one before...

    December 20, 2013 at 5:02 pm |
  14. One one

    The bible condones abortion.

    Hosea 9:14-16
    “14 Give them–Yahweh what will you give? Give them a miscarrying womb and dry breasts.
    15 "All their wickedness is in Gilgal; for there I hated them. Because of the wickedness of their deeds I will drive them out of my house! I will love them no more. All their princes are rebels.
    16 Ephraim is struck. Their root has dried up. They will bear no fruit. Even though they bring forth, yet I will kill the beloved ones of their womb.”

    December 20, 2013 at 5:00 pm |
    • JFCanton

      Is that a useful definition of "condone"? It's merely a description of God's punishment. Our law might be equally said to "condone" murder.

      It would be much credible if, rather than cherry-picking through currently-irrelevant poetic and legal language of the OT, skeptics would focus on those words of Christ that tend to be ignored.

      December 20, 2013 at 5:13 pm |
  15. dana

    We are not to judge, only the Lord is in charge of that. If we judge he will judge us the way we judge. The bible is the inspired word of God. It does not contradict itself. Read it. Be educated. Say a prayer first and ask for understanding, then read the book of John first then Romans. Then read the whole bible. God created man and woman from man. If he wanted two men that could not reproduce, that would be wierd. Not judging just an observation.

    December 20, 2013 at 5:00 pm |
    • Observer

      dana,

      "If he wanted two men that could not reproduce, that would be wierd."

      Yep. That's why there are no sterile heteros, right?

      December 20, 2013 at 5:02 pm |
    • Fman

      No gods, all fiction, but whatever floats your boat honey girl...

      December 20, 2013 at 5:03 pm |
      • Robert Townsend

        I anyone needs an imaginary friend to help them deal with this life, let them. Just don['t vote like you're an idiot.

        December 20, 2013 at 5:18 pm |
    • Richard D.

      God made it Adam and Eve, not Adam and Steve!

      December 20, 2013 at 5:23 pm |
  16. Rob

    Gotta love that bible, so full of facts! Look up sarcasm bible thumpers. And you are going nowhere when you die – you're food for worms and maggots!!!!!!!

    December 20, 2013 at 4:59 pm |
    • kyzaadrao

      As you're not a ghost, I don't believe you're qualified to discredit my belief. Come see me in a few hundred years.

      December 20, 2013 at 5:04 pm |
    • Bman

      WHAT??!! You mean they DON'T eat foie gras to the sound of trumpets for eternity looking down at the "sinners" in "Hell" (gasp!!)

      December 20, 2013 at 5:04 pm |
      • kyzaadrao

        No. Being able to help start new worlds would be great though. Otherwise, it's an extended vacation.

        December 20, 2013 at 5:08 pm |
    • Stephen

      The fact that you think human beings with fully conscious minds full of thought and imagination have no meaning to their life at all sickens me. How can something so complex be made without a creator? And yes, in fact the New Testament is full of facts. Maybe if you took the time to actually read it and look up the facts instead of just assuming it's not factual from what you've heard you wouldn't have this problem.

      December 20, 2013 at 5:12 pm |
      • Sarah Loo

        Stephen your reply hits on one of the prime ways of thinking of Christians to justify their fantastical notions. ...but...but....but...but...how could all this be made without my god....but...but...but...... LOL if you can't see the fallacy (or stupidity) in this line of thinking there is no helping you. Your explanation works for any of the thousands of deities Man created.

        I teach my high school students this....Just because you don't understand or don't know something, don't make something up that seems to fill the void. Just keep searching for the truth.

        December 20, 2013 at 5:19 pm |
        • GodisGod

          Yes. I have found the truth, and the truth has given me peace. Keep searching, and hopefully you will someday see the same truth as mine, or maybe, you'll never find the truth and the peace and joy that only Christ brings will elude you.

          December 20, 2013 at 5:26 pm |
    • bubba

      Hey Rob, can you prove God doesn't exist? In the meanwhile open your mouth and swallow some humble pie or whatever else you need to make yourself think "straight" (no pun intended) 🙂

      December 20, 2013 at 5:29 pm |
  17. Albert Balbert

    Gays are sick in the head. I don't promote violence against gays but we should be allowed to speak our mind and gays shouldn't behave like whiners. Gays are like little kids who need anderson cooper and other gays to defend them on TV

    December 20, 2013 at 4:58 pm |
    • Observer

      Albert,

      Education could help. It is diminishing IGNORANCE and BIGOTRY.

      December 20, 2013 at 4:59 pm |
      • Albert Balbert

        Education in what? That taking it up uranus and crying every time someone says "gay"?

        December 20, 2013 at 5:01 pm |
        • ParmaJeff

          What an ignorant comment. Plenty of hetero couples do that, too. And I'll bet you love frapping to girl on girl action, which is gay s.ex, also.

          December 20, 2013 at 5:03 pm |
        • Observer

          Albert,

          Education is helping reduce bigotry.

          If you don't want to engage in gay practices, then don't fantasize about them so much.

          December 20, 2013 at 5:04 pm |
        • Albert Balbert

          Heteros don't nearly have as many STDs as gay men, bi men are known as spreading AIDS to women

          December 20, 2013 at 5:05 pm |
        • MAP

          You sir are an imbecile. I don't know how old you are, but with the idiocy you spout, you should be kept away from a computer. Have a nice time being on the wrong side of history.

          December 20, 2013 at 5:09 pm |
        • Observer

          Albert Balbert,

          Skip the HYPOCRISY. When heteros don't engage in dangerous practices, you will have some CREDIBILITY.

          December 20, 2013 at 5:09 pm |
        • john

          pretty much sums it up.....gays sure doe know how to throw the word redneck around, they sure do now how to refer to people as backwoods, they sure do know how to make rude comments in regards to stereotyping incest.....but they get their panties in a knot if you say something they disagree with.....damn f a g g ots

          December 20, 2013 at 5:11 pm |
        • Observer

          john,

          Good display of the level of intelligence of BIGOTS. Well done.

          December 20, 2013 at 5:13 pm |
    • Doris

      Wow. Brilliant. I hope you didn't work too long on that. (eyeroll)

      December 20, 2013 at 5:00 pm |
    • somethingstellar

      Really? Thats not what Sigmund Freud came to the conclusion of.
      Are you seriously telling me you think you have the credentials to decide such things? Did you even get your highschool diploma?

      December 20, 2013 at 5:06 pm |
    • alpeaston

      BIGOTS are the ones "sick in the head"!

      December 20, 2013 at 5:27 pm |
    • Jackson

      And when Bashir made comments against Palin, the conservatives were up in arms and calling for Bashir to be fired.

      Big steaming pile of hypocrisy.

      Funny how you want people who you side with to have the freedom to say what they want, but you want to deny the freedom to respond to the other side.

      Another big steaming pile of hypocrisy.

      December 20, 2013 at 6:23 pm |
  18. Jonathan

    Actually, you were close but ultimately incorrect, Mr. Burke.

    The actual problem between the two sides is right in your writing though.

    The problem is not differing interpretations, it's this:

    'Conservatives such as Robertson, on the other hand, argue that the Bible is the bedrock of their faith, unchanging and unalterable. “We want you to know that first and foremost we are a family rooted in our faith in God and our belief that the Bible is His word,” the Robertson family said Thursday.'

    Conservatives aren't interpreting, or to be more to the point, they don't believe in differing interpretations.

    They think that the Bible is the word of God, despite evidence to the contrary right in their hands. Publication date on their bible is inevitably the 21st century. It is a book, that one can discover through the most rudimentary of research has been translated and re-interpreted through translation numerous times. Authorship is both little known and from multiple sources. It has been known to go through editing by committee.
    Even the basis of Christian theology – the virgin birth – is known to be the result of a mistranslation from the Greek.

    There is no point in arguing with evangelicals. They don't trust or consider the realities of the book that is right in their hands, let alone the notion of differing interpretations. Only one side could be right, and that side concerns itself with blind faith alone.

    December 20, 2013 at 4:58 pm |
    • Phoebe

      Well said!

      December 20, 2013 at 5:12 pm |
  19. Patriot

    Tragic when the rantings of a simple minded quasi celebrity are considered news.

    December 20, 2013 at 4:58 pm |
  20. rollthedice

    I am not gonna sit here and try to convince you that was Phil said is correct.Christians have always believed this and everyone is shocked when we say it.Really??Look,God is a God of free will,you can believe in him or not,believe in his commands or not,if you are willing to risk your soul, hey roll the dice and see what you get.I am a christian and when i die if there is no God,hey i lived a great life and was a blessing to others and have no regrets,but if you die not believing and you are wrong? Remember when your dead it doesnt matter what you believe,its to late,you had your chance,where will you end up? If your willing to risk your soul,thats on you, we tried to tell you but you wouldnt believe. I hope and pray every non believer really thimks about this.
    God Bless.

    December 20, 2013 at 4:57 pm |
    • The Clothing-Optional Zombie Resurrection of Anna Nicole Smith

      You do realize that free will is totally impossible if god knew the entire course of history, as the Bible says he did. He made the plan and knew everythign that happened, which means you cannot change it. It also means that only he could possibly be responsible for any and all evil.

      Just one of those little problems with the Bible.

      December 20, 2013 at 5:02 pm |
      • ACE

        learn the difference between FOREKNOWLEDGE and PREDESTINATION

        December 20, 2013 at 5:05 pm |
        • The Clothing-Optional Zombie Resurrection of Anna Nicole Smith

          God cannot have foreknowledge unless it is fixed, and always has been.

          December 20, 2013 at 5:14 pm |
      • rollthedice

        And thats your free will to believe.
        God Bless

        December 20, 2013 at 5:05 pm |
    • Jeff

      I never said what I believe or don't believe regarding my personal faith. Does being an atheist preclude the ability to live a "great life" and be "a blessing to people"?

      December 20, 2013 at 5:12 pm |
      • moment of faith

        do they do it for their own self gain?

        December 20, 2013 at 5:23 pm |
    • AtheistSteve

      Well here is the problem, even though you're too indoctrinated to see it. You haven't made your case for anything you claim. Why do you think humans have a soul? Why do you think an afterlife awaits? Why do you believe a God exists? These are all very distinct questions that could be individually true even if the others are not. God could be real but we are beneath his notice...like bacteria. A soul could be part of our makeup but it dies with our body. An afterlife does exist if we consider our decaying corpse providing nutrients to other life.
      But you have the idea that all 3 are linked together according to your ancient tribal mythology. Why should anyone believe this? What evidence supports this conclusion? Why must faith be invoked to keep the belief real? Why don't you see how gullible that makes you look?
      Religion is the ultimate cop-out. I can't understand something...goddidit. I can't fathom how my consciousness can be confined to my brain...I have a non-physical spirit(and God cares more about it than the real me.). I'm terrified of dying...I'm not gonna die(ever). It all screams fear, ignorance and an unbelievably arrogant ego(I have a personal relationship with the creator of the universe).
      The whole thing would be hilarious if it wasn't so pathetically dehumanizing.
      Common sense isn't just an oxymoron, it's an epidemic.

      December 20, 2013 at 5:36 pm |
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