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Does Phil Robertson get the Bible wrong?
Phil Robertson of A&E's "Duck Dynasty" has been suspended for his comments on homosexuality.
December 20th, 2013
11:23 AM ET

Does Phil Robertson get the Bible wrong?

By Daniel Burke, CNN Belief Blog Co-Editor

(CNN) - The Robertson family of "Duck Dynasty" fame has rallied around its patriarch, saying his controversial comments on homosexuality are "grounded in the teachings of the Bible." But Scripture is fiercely contested ground, and some experts say Phil Robertson misinterprets a key Bible verse.

A&E, the network that broadcasts the hugely popular "Duck Dynasty" show, suspended Robertson for a now infamous interview with GQ magazine. In the article, Robertson, who became a born-again Christian in the 1970s after a prodigal youth, is asked to define "sin."

Here's what Robertson says: “Start with homosexual behavior and just morph out from there. Bestiality, sleeping around with this woman and that woman and that woman and those men."

Robertson, 67, then paraphrases a Bible passage from the New Testament: “Don’t be deceived. Neither the adulterers, the idolaters, the male prostitutes, the homosexual offenders, the greedy, the drunkards, the slanderers, the swindlers - they won’t inherit the kingdom of God.”

That's a pretty close citation of 1 Corinthians 6:9-10, which is a letter from Paul, often called the father of Christianity theology, to a fledgling Christian community in Corinth, Greece.

Here's what Paul's passage says, as rendered in the New International Version, by far the most popular translation among evangelicals and conservative Christians such as Robertson:

"Do not be deceived: Neither the sexually immoral nor idolaters nor adulterers nor men who have sex with men, nor thieves nor the greedy nor drunkards nor slanderers nor swindlers will inherit the kingdom of God."

Evangelicals, who make up about a quarter of the U.S. population, tend to take that passage at face value. The Robertson family pastor, for instance, told CNN on Thursday that "the verse explains itself."

Robertson himself is no religious neophyte. He's an elder in the White's Ferry Road Church of Christ and offers spiritual counseling, charity and Bible studies to many in his hometown of West Monroe, Louisiana, the family pastor, Mike Kellett told CNN.

The "Duck Dynasty" star also preaches around the country to conservatives that flock to hear his blend of woodsy, plainspoken Christianity.

Many conservatives backed Robertson's views on Scripture and homosexuality this week, if not the "crude" way he argued his point to GQ.

My Take: The Bible really does condemn homosexuality

But other Bible experts said the Scripture Robertson cited isn't quite clear about homosexuality.

"A lot of people misread this text because it's so complicated," said O. Wesley Allen Jr., an associate professor at Lexington Theological Seminary in Kentucky.

First, scholars say, we have to look at the context surrounding Paul's letter.

The Christian leader is trying to get the quarreling Corinthians to stop taking each other to civil courts and being judgmental. "The very fact that you have lawsuits among you means you have been completely defeated already," Paul says.

Things were supposed to be different after they became Christian believers, Paul continues; they were supposed to stop their sinful ways.

Then Paul lists some of their sins of the past, including greed, drinking too much, worshipping idols and sexual immorality. "That is what some of you were," Paul says. "But you were washed, you were sanctified, you were justified in the name of the Lord Jesus Christ and by the Spirit of our God."

The list of sins is likely based on rumors that Paul heard about Corinth, says Warren Throckmorton, a psychology professor at Grove City College in Pennsylvania who has studied the Bible's teachings on homosexuality. Bible scholars call it a "vice list," and it appears several times in Scripture.

So what does Paul's "vice list" say about homosexuality? That's the tricky part.

The first word Paul uses is "malakoi," which means "soft" in Greek, according to Allen. By analogy, the word came to mean "effeminate," which is how the King James Version of the Bible translates it.

"In the ancient world, it would refer to a boy in a relationship with an older man," Allen said. "It was pederasty, not homosexuality as we think of it today."

The other relevant word on Paul's "vice list" is "arsenokotai," which means "male sex." It refers to the other half in the man-boy relationship, common in Greece at the time, Allen said, the older male having sex with the "soft one."

"It isn't anything to do with what we would see today in an intimate, mutual relationship between gay adults," said Allen, who is co-authoring an upcoming book on homosexuality and heterosexuality in the church.

My Take: The Bible’s surprisingly mixed messages on sexuality

Even so, scholars such as Allen acknowledge there are no Bible passages that support same-sex relationships, and at least seven that appear to condemn gay sex.

"There's no way around the fact that those passages take a negative view of homosexuality, and nowhere in the Bible is a positive view offered," Allen said. "So conservatives and liberals continue to debate."

Liberals say that some parts of the Bible offered particular truths for a specific times and places but those times and places, as well as human understanding of sexuality, have progressed dramatically.

"The Bible may be divinely inspired, but its authors were human and saw, as St. Paul puts it, through a glass darkly," said Jim Naughton, a Christian gay rights activist and communications consultant. "On the subject of homosexuality, the Bible doesn’t mean what Phil Robertson thinks it means."

Conservatives such as Robertson, on the other hand, argue that the Bible is the bedrock of their faith, unchanging and unalterable. "We want you to know that first and foremost we are a family rooted in our faith in God and our belief that the Bible is His word," the Robertson family said Thursday.

For decades, the gulf between the two sides has divided denominations, churches and families. To paraphrase Lincoln, both sides read the same Bible and pray to the same God, and both invoke his aid to argue against each other. Which is why our contemporary debate over homosexuality is so fierce, and so seemingly unending.

- CNN Religion Editor

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  1. JC

    This is another shining example of how religion makes seemingly normal, smart people, say and do stupid and horrible things. Remove religion from this equation and none of this would be happening. Hitch was correct, religion does poison everything. The arrogance of people that think they know the mind of the creator of our universe is astounding. Does Mr. Robertson also believes that gay people should be put to death for this sin? I doubt he believes that, yet it is clearly stated in the ancient book he holds so dear. Like so many, he picks and chooses the verses to help spread his self centered piety. Why would a supreme being create beings with imperfections and then punish them eternally for those very imperfections he placed in them in the first place. This is so obviously a human idea, and not a very good one. Until humans put this bronze aged idea that was developed in the infancy of human civilization behind us, we will never reach our full potential.

    December 20, 2013 at 5:33 pm |
    • RD

      Without religion people do and say horrible things, too. Hitchens smoked and drank himself to death. In a time when he completely knew the dangers of drinking and smoking he did it to excess, at the same time pointing at religious people and calling them illogical. How smart is that? Looked like the guy could talk the logical talk, but couldn't walk the logical walk.

      December 20, 2013 at 5:39 pm |
    • GodisGod

      Your understanding of the bible is very low. The bible was created to be understood in it's entirety, not cherry picked like you do yourself. The old testament is full of God's wrath, but the new testament (Christianity) is about redemption. Put and understood all together you get a message of sinful nature, hope, redemption, & love. Funny how all the negative verses you point out are all from the old testament. Yes, the old testament and the stuff written therein is to show that God is a powerful, judgmental, jealous God due to our sinful nature. The old testament also reflects the relationship between man and God as one in which man must seek God. The new testament is about God love for us and his redeeming of his people through the ultimate sacrifice of Jesus Christ. The new testament is about God seeking us (i.e. a relationship).

      December 20, 2013 at 5:39 pm |
      • Dogs are Dogs

        ...or it's a sick story from the Bronze Age no longer worthy of any attention because it's utterly false.

        December 20, 2013 at 5:43 pm |
        • JFCanton

          But that approach hangs your argument because a good deal of it is "history" and consequently a lot of it cannot be false. One side of the story, but so is Herodotus. And a good deal more of it is common sense.

          December 20, 2013 at 5:47 pm |
      • One one

        It's nice to see that god changed his mind.

        December 20, 2013 at 6:04 pm |
      • JC

        GodisGod
        I'm impresed that YOU seem to know how the bible was created and how it is to be understood. So humble you are. You say the NT is about redemption. For what? None of us asked to be here. There was no option. I do not believe in the immoral idea of vicarious redemption. I've done nothing that an animal or a human should be sarificed for. What a disgusting idea this is. These horrible ideas were thought up by humans that knew almost nothing about 4000 years ago.

        December 20, 2013 at 6:15 pm |
    • RB

      Jesus came to seek and save the lost. Phil is loving his neighbor by letting them know they are sinners in need of a savior.

      December 20, 2013 at 5:39 pm |
      • RD

        Rationalizing bigotry is not loving.

        December 20, 2013 at 5:44 pm |
    • Elma Mae

      WELL SAID JC!! Hitchens was a great speaker, loved hearing his way of putting things...

      December 20, 2013 at 5:41 pm |
    • Answer

      You religious freaks are in need of an education.

      December 20, 2013 at 5:42 pm |
  2. Larry the Christian

    I think it is important to really sincerely listen to people like Phil who only change their underwear once a month.

    December 20, 2013 at 5:33 pm |
  3. K-switch

    I think the more offensive part of the interview was his claiming that non-Christian countries are the only ones that engage in acts of violence.

    December 20, 2013 at 5:32 pm |
  4. Suzanne Peck

    This is just ridiculous. The bible is full of "lost in translation" passages. What the bible says or doesn't say, is irrelevant. Mr Robertson was asked a question, and he had the gumption to avoid political correctness, and answer honestly, according to his beliefs. I have heard reporters talk about "racist anti gay rants"....stop fuelling a fire that the media started by taking a mans comments out of context. Last I heard, the USA has the rights to freedom of speech AND religion. Furthermore, Mr Robertson has a biracial grandson, AND an Asian granddaughter. Bigot? racist?. Personally, I find the show and the family refreshing! Nobody tells the truth anymore. I support gay marriage, and it is legal here in Ontario Canada. But, I respect Mr Robinsons views, and am certain, that he would respect mine. Mr Robertson chooses to live by certain teachings he values, and is honest enough to speak the truth. I really do not know what all the fuss is about.

    December 20, 2013 at 5:31 pm |
  5. coolgirl

    Coming out is quite the fashion right now! –even if you weren't in a closet to begin with–

    December 20, 2013 at 5:30 pm |
  6. dadvocate2011

    They might want to look at the context of the entire Bible, from the old testament to the new. The law was written in the past to bring light to the sins in the future. If there was no law, no one would know their right hand from their left. But everyone is so focused on the "sin" they forget about the "sinful nature" We can never get rid of it ourselves, its like trying to peel of our skin, its with us until we died. The message of Jesus Christ is that we are saved by Grace. Why is anyone fighting over a verse in the bible when the free gift of God is already given and all we have to do is take hold of it, believe it and then do our best to obey the one who created us. We will always have the opportunity to walk away from grace, but when we walk in the light, all darkness (sin) will cease to exist in our lives. Lets see what happens when we have churches full of gays reading the bible for themselves...let them see the light, but only as God himself reveals it to them.

    December 20, 2013 at 5:29 pm |
    • One one

      "Free gift" ?

      If you don't accept the "gift", Jesus will torture you forever. That doesn't sound free to me.

      December 20, 2013 at 6:07 pm |
      • SwimmingWontHelp

        In the old testament Noah was told it would flood and to build an ark to survive what was coming. Noah and his family were saved from the flood. Most people perished.

        God sent Jesus to save us all from what's coming. And all we have to do to board this Ark is to *believe* on Him, that He is risen from the dead and confess Him as our Lord and Savior so He can enter you and you enter into Him.

        I'm telling you, what's coming next is much worse than a flood. God is not punishing you specifically. The fire/torture of hell is not meant for you. He sent an Escape Capsule named Jesus Christ. The question is, will you get on by receiving Jesus?

        December 20, 2013 at 7:03 pm |
  7. Stephen

    My question is...if the bible isn't right and evolution with no god is true...where did it all begin? Something can't be made out of nothing. There's one tragic flaw in evolution and that is that it must of had a beginning, everything that had a beginning was created by something. So what was evolution created by if not god? And what was the thing that evolution created from? It's a never ending train...one that can be answered with god.

    December 20, 2013 at 5:27 pm |
    • Colin

      But, then you will turn around and say your God popped out of nothing or was "always there" right? Well why not just say the Universe was always there. Why the unnecessary and unsupported add on?

      December 20, 2013 at 5:30 pm |
      • RB

        Hey Colin, I'm not capable of discussing the subject with you but I read an interesting cosmological argument by William Lane Craig over on reasonable faith. Check it out if you get a chance.

        December 20, 2013 at 5:36 pm |
    • Oh Dear

      Science does not say something was created from nothing. That is a lame misrepresentation of scientific theory put forward by people who then claim God, who was created from nothing, created the universe from nothing.

      December 20, 2013 at 5:30 pm |
      • Stephen

        Space and everything in it: space, time, matter. Which means it must of been created by something spaceless, TIMELESS, And matter less.

        December 20, 2013 at 5:34 pm |
        • lunchbreaker

          So why does that "thing" have to be YOUR God?

          December 20, 2013 at 5:36 pm |
        • Oh Dear

          Nope. It always existed. Tough to wrap your brain around, but that's the way it is. But if you want to go simple-simon and believe it was magic, hey, go for it.

          December 20, 2013 at 5:40 pm |
        • Answer

          "It's my god because I can't think, nor want to think, that it might be another god behind it all."

          ~~ The ever so stupid religious tard can't afford the real truth. If one god exists then many god exists, your god might not be the one behind it all.

          December 20, 2013 at 5:46 pm |
    • truthprevails1

      Just because we don't have an answer does not mean you get to invoke a god.

      December 20, 2013 at 5:36 pm |
    • Dr Tom

      This is a ridiculous argument. Just because science can't answer a question doesn't mean you have to invoke supernatural explanations. And the existence of God is believed through faith. It can be neither proved nor disproved by science.

      December 20, 2013 at 5:40 pm |
    • One one

      My question is, How do you go from "nothing comes from nothing" to believing an invisible magic man had an evil talking snake tempt a woman, made from a rib, to disobey him, whereby he punishes all future humanity, then changes his mind and decides lift his curse by impregnating a human woman with himself then arranges to have himself tortured, killed, and raised from the dead, And if you believe all that, you get to live forever in heaved after you die, But if you don't, he will torture you forever ?

      December 20, 2013 at 5:44 pm |
    • Question everything

      The problem with your concept is that you think that something can't come from nothing but you don't know that and Stephen Hawkins has made protons come from no where in a vacuum without matter. That being said, people always try to say something is one or the other. The concept of the story in the Garden of Eden is about the beginning of consciousness and decision making outside of instinct or electro-molecular input that drives a standard output to a given stimulus. The universe is in constant change; if it wasn't, then time would not exist. Does something says that God didn't create life in an evolutionary fashion. Please stop fighting and love people and then you will see things change. One act of random kindness at a time will do much more than claiming virtue or pointing fingers. Rock on Pope Francis.

      December 21, 2013 at 3:57 pm |
  8. bowldsbrendonbboi7581

    So I'm guessing if you are a bigot, you are called a conservative, if you are not, you are called a liberal. How did this happen?

    December 20, 2013 at 5:27 pm |
  9. teapartysamurai

    You haters possessed of the devil himself will tell me I'm wrong, but your own actions prove I'm right. If you were not possessed of the devil you would not be doing your utmost to shut up this man who has done you no harm and can do you no harm. No you must shut him up because the devil tells you, you must. The devil wants him shut up, because he's spreading the words of the Bible.

    December 20, 2013 at 5:24 pm |
    • truthprevails1

      If we don't believe in your imaginary friend god, what makes you think we believe in his imaginary enemy?
      Can you provide evidence for your claims?

      December 20, 2013 at 5:27 pm |
      • teapartysamurai

        Then why fear him so much you must stamp out anyone that does believe in God? There's only one reason and that's the devil that possess you believes and is afraid. If they were both imaginary as you claim you wouldn't care if someone believed in God.

        December 20, 2013 at 5:28 pm |
        • truthprevails1

          Who fears him? It is hard to fear something that one doesn't see evidence for. It is you who lives in fear, no t the non-believers.
          I care when someone uses the belief to justify denying equal rights and to try to tell others how to live, otherwise have all the imaginary friends you want...I personally am good without those imaginary beings in my life.

          December 20, 2013 at 5:31 pm |
        • Grow a Brain

          So the billions of non christ followers who are all alive today........are SATAN?

          freakin' love it!! This is why monotheists are so entertaining....you just never know what they will come up with next 🙂

          December 20, 2013 at 5:31 pm |
    • Bolety

      Soooo I'm a good person, but because I believe your entire system of lies if false, I'm also actually....SATAN?

      December 20, 2013 at 5:29 pm |
    • Free Holiday Nuts

      And of course we know the devil could be very nearby!

      [youtube=https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4JuSfRgh0Vo&w=640&h=360]

      December 20, 2013 at 5:38 pm |
    • biodome

      There's more evidence that Santa, the Easter Bunny and the Tooth Fairy exist than god. There's proof in the presents, goodie baskets and quarters 🙂

      December 20, 2013 at 5:38 pm |
  10. Shalom

    Most celebrities have no hearts, they just have heads; and those heads are filled with outrageous over simplified veiw of life and realities. There is no two ways about it, the BIBLE CONDEMNS GAY and GAYS. UNLESS THEY REPENT THEY'LL END UP IN HELL. Gay is an injustice to mankind and the gays will pay for perverting the destiny of Man.

    December 20, 2013 at 5:24 pm |
    • Bole

      Heaven, hell, angels, demons, devils, gods, Human souls, afterlives...

      Christ! what century is this? How can we be exploring space and still have folks following these belief systems as if they were real?

      December 20, 2013 at 5:27 pm |
  11. Free Holiday Nuts

    [youtube=https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Kppx4bzfAaE&w=640&h=360]

    December 20, 2013 at 5:23 pm |
  12. Journey

    I think Phil's mental state is more a symptom of the economic and social condition of the United States under the Obama Administration, whose policies for the last 5 years have created these intellectually helpless, hopeless people. We can no longer hide it.

    December 20, 2013 at 5:22 pm |
    • The Clothing-Optional Zombie Resurrection of Anna Nicole Smith

      So he was fine until Obama got elected, then suddenly became a dingbat? Riiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiight.

      December 20, 2013 at 5:23 pm |
      • JFCanton

        That's definitely not the first person I'd want to be resurrected as a clothing-optional zombie, but I guess there wouldn't be much change in brain activity...

        December 20, 2013 at 5:30 pm |
    • Terry

      And I think you suffer fro Obama Derangement Syndrome.

      December 20, 2013 at 5:33 pm |
  13. Going DOWN

    I'm sitting here reading these comments wearing a wool shirt, cotton pants, nylon jacket, and rayon panties.
    I'm eating a large bowl of clams, mussels, and oysters.
    I'm trying not to think about pits of fire...

    December 20, 2013 at 5:21 pm |
  14. teapartysamurai

    Jude 1:7

    King James Version

    7 Even as Sodom and Gomorrha, and the cities about them in like manner, giving themselves over to fornication, and going after strange flesh, are set forth for an example, suffering the vengeance of eternal fire.

    December 20, 2013 at 5:20 pm |
    • Billy

      Bill & Ted 134:3 – "Whoa"

      December 20, 2013 at 5:22 pm |
    • Dr Tom

      Did you read the article? You are quoting somebody's possibly flawed translation of the Bible into English.

      December 20, 2013 at 5:32 pm |
  15. Reality # 2

    Only for the Duck D watchers:

    Putting the kibosh on all religion in less than ten seconds: Priceless !!!

    • As far as one knows or can tell, there was no Abraham i.e. the foundations of Judaism, Christianity and Islam are non-existent.

    • As far as one knows or can tell, there was no Moses i.e the pillars of Judaism, Christianity and Islam have no strength of purpose.

    • There was no Gabriel i.e. Islam fails as a religion. Christianity partially fails.

    • There was no Easter i.e. Christianity completely fails as a religion.

    • There was no Moroni i.e. Mormonism is nothing more than a business cult.

    • Sacred/revered cows, monkey gods, castes, reincarnations and therefore Hinduism fails as a religion.

    • Fat Buddhas here, skinny Buddhas there, reincarnated/reborn Buddhas everywhere makes for a no on Buddhism.

    • A constant cycle of reincarnation until enlightenment is reached and belief that various beings (angels?, tinkerbells? etc) exist that we, as mortals, cannot comprehend makes for a no on Sikhism.

    Added details available upon written request.

    A quick search will put the kibosh on any other groups calling themselves a religion.

    e.g. Taoism

    "The origins of Taoism are unclear. Traditionally, Lao-tzu who lived in the sixth century is regarded as its founder. Its early philosophic foundations and its later beliefs and rituals are two completely different ways of life. Today (1982) Taoism claims 31,286,000 followers.

    Legend says that Lao-tzu was immaculately conceived by a shooting star; carried in his mother's womb for eighty-two years; and born a full grown wise old man. "

    December 20, 2013 at 5:19 pm |
    • Stephen

      Wow that put the kabosh on everything! I think you forgot the part about actually having proof to support your argument!!

      December 20, 2013 at 5:21 pm |
      • Going DOWN

        This isn't the part where you "prove" your little god with the bible is it? (that never works, it's circular thinking)

        December 20, 2013 at 5:23 pm |
        • Stephen

          Is this the part where you "prove" that we are all the chance product of millions of years of evolution. An evolution that must of had a beginning. A beginning that you cannot account for?

          December 20, 2013 at 5:30 pm |
        • Grow a Brain

          LOL, why on Earth would you need to explain any such phenomena at this stage in Human development? Seriously, Humans alive today (even the smart ones) I would only estimate as being the equivalent of 2-4 year old Human female. We have a long way to go, but time does seem to be on our side. In 100 years we have advanced incredibly in technology and science. Our Sun is good for another few billion years......should be a good ride 🙂

          December 20, 2013 at 5:34 pm |
      • Reality # 2

        origin: http://query.nytimes.com/gst/abstract.html?res=F20E1EFE35540C7A8CDDAA0894DA404482 NY Times review and important enough to reiterate.

        New Torah For Modern Minds

        “Abraham, the Jewish patriarch, probably never existed. Nor did Moses. (prob•a•bly
        Adverb: Almost certainly; as far as one knows or can tell).

        The entire Exodus story as recounted in the Bible probably never occurred. The same is true of the tumbling of the walls of Jericho. And David, far from being the fearless king who built Jerusalem into a mighty capital, was more likely a provincial leader whose reputation was later magnified to provide a rallying point for a fledgling nation.

        Such startling propositions - the product of findings by archaeologists digging in Israel and its environs over the last 25 years - have gained wide acceptance among non-Orthodox rabbis. But there has been no attempt to disseminate these ideas or to discuss them with the laity - until now.

        The United Synagogue of Conservative Judaism, which represents the 1.5 million Conservative Jews in the United States, has just issued a new Torah and commentary, the first for Conservatives in more than 60 years. Called "Etz Hayim" ("Tree of Life" in Hebrew), it offers an interpretation that incorporates the latest findings from archaeology, philology, anthropology and the study of ancient cultures. To the editors who worked on the book, it represents one of the boldest efforts ever to introduce into the religious mainstream a view of the Bible as a human rather than divine doc-ument.

        The notion that the Bible is not literally true "is more or less settled and understood among most Conservative rabbis," observed David Wolpe, a rabbi at Sinai Temple in Los Angeles and a contributor to "Etz Hayim." But some congregants, he said, "may not like the stark airing of it." Last Passover, in a sermon to 2,200 congregants at his synagogue, Rabbi Wolpe frankly said that "virtually every modern archaeologist" agrees "that the way the Bible describes the Exodus is not the way that it happened, if it happened at all." The rabbi offered what he called a "LITANY OF DISILLUSION”' about the narrative, including contradictions, improbabilities, chronological lapses and the absence of corroborating evidence. In fact, he said, archaeologists digging in the Sinai have "found no trace of the tribes of Israel - not one shard of pottery."

        December 21, 2013 at 12:14 am |
        • Reality # 2

          From the studies of Armstrong, Rushdie, Hirsi Ali, Richardson and Bayhaqi----–

          The Five Steps To Deprogram 1400 Years of Islamic Myths:

          ( –The Steps take less than two minutes to finish- simply amazing, two minutes to bring peace and rationality to over one billion lost souls- Priceless!!!)

          Are you ready?

          Using "The 77 Branches of Islamic "faith" a collection compiled by Imam Bayhaqi as a starting point. In it, he explains the essential virtues that reflect true "faith" (iman) through related Qur’anic verses and Prophetic sayings." i.e. a nice summary of the Koran and Islamic beliefs.

          The First Five of the 77 Branches:

          "1. Belief in Allah"

          aka as God, Yahweh, Zeus, Jehovah, Mother Nature, etc. should be added to your self-cleansing neurons.

          "2. To believe that everything other than Allah was non-existent. Thereafter, Allah Most High created these things and subsequently they came into existence."

          Evolution and the Big Bang or the "Gi-b G-nab" (when the universe starts to recycle) are more plausible and the "akas" for Allah should be included if you continue to be a "crea-tionist".

          "3. To believe in the existence of angels."

          A major item for neuron cleansing. Angels/de-vils are the mythical creations of ancient civilizations, e.g. Hitt-ites, to explain/define natural events, contacts with their gods, big birds, sudden winds, protectors during the dark nights, etc. No "pretty/ug-ly wingy thingies" ever visited or talked to Mohammed, Jesus, Mary or Joseph or Joe Smith. Today we would classify angels as f–airies and "tin–ker be-lls". Modern de-vils are classified as the de-mons of the de-mented.

          "4. To believe that all the heavenly books that were sent to the different prophets are true. However, apart from the Quran, all other books are not valid anymore."

          Another major item to delete. There are no books written in the spirit state of Heaven (if there is one) just as there are no angels to write/publish/distribute them. The Koran, OT, NT etc. are simply books written by humans for humans.

          Prophets were invented by ancient scribes typically to keep the un-educated masses in line. Today we call them for-tune tellers.

          Prophecies are also invali-dated by the natural/God/Allah gifts of Free Will and Future.

          "5. To believe that all the prophets are true. However, we are commanded to follow the Prophet Muhammad (peace and blessings
          be upon him) alone."

          Mohammed spent thirty days "fasting" (the Ramadan legend) in a hot cave before his first contact with Allah aka God etc. via a "pretty wingy thingy". Common sense demands a neuron deletion of #5. #5 is also the major source of Islamic vi-olence i.e. turning Mohammed's "fast, hunger-driven" hallu-cinations into horrible reality for unbelievers.

          Walk these Five Steps and we guarantee a complete recovery from your Islamic ways!!!!

          Unfortunately, there are not many Muslim commentators/readers on this blog so the "two-minute" cure is not getting to those who need it. If you have a Muslim friend, send him a copy and help save the world.

          Analogous steps are available at your request for deprogramming the myths of Christianity, Judaism, Buddhism, Hinduism and Paganism..

          December 21, 2013 at 12:14 am |
    • Austin

      the Holy Spirit is a sanctifying spirit that bears the truth of God's word on a person's heart.

      I have experienced the supernatural revealing , the unveiling of this work. Sometimes you have to just take another persons word for what it is , because we don't all have the same experience. for example, the old testament prophets or Paul on the road to Damascus, you will never have the same experience that they did.
      But I tell you the truth. He is Jehovah Jireh, The Lord our Provider.

      December 20, 2013 at 5:23 pm |
      • Topher

        Austin, is that me?

        December 20, 2013 at 5:24 pm |
      • Betty.

        Putting up a new barn today, need 4 babies for the post holes and lots of prayers...

        December 20, 2013 at 5:25 pm |
        • Austin

          I heard you can put the babies between the bricks to help build the walls too.

          December 20, 2013 at 5:27 pm |
      • Twinkles, the DEMON SQUISH-KITTY Who Haunts Your Mind!

        I'm back, Austin! When you get out of jail for drunk driving, you are instructed to ram your truck through more churches! More! More! Three was not enough!

        December 20, 2013 at 5:26 pm |
        • Austin

          Paul the apostle managed the killing of Christians.

          Jesus Christ came from the blood line of Tamar, who prosti.tuted herself to her father in law, Judah.

          God is bigger than the ugly human circu.mstances and works in unpredictable places.

          December 20, 2013 at 5:29 pm |
        • Twinkles, the DEMON SQUISH-KITTY Who Haunts Your Mind!

          Did you do your amateur church drive-through installation gig again?

          December 20, 2013 at 5:31 pm |
        • Austin

          No because of the better New Covenant, I have changed as a person. The Lord has delivered me from my habitual sins, and by the way that was in 2001. I spent all summer working hard and I have not had a drink since august, of 2012.

          you see the New Covenant promises that the Holy Spirit will help us.

          John 15:26
          26 “But when the Helper comes, whom I will send to you from the Father, the Spirit of truth, who proceeds from the Father, he will bear witness about me.

          this is a red letter promise my beloved friend.

          December 20, 2013 at 5:36 pm |
        • Twinkles, the DEMON SQUISH-KITTY Who Haunts Your Mind!

          All summer? You haven't worked since summer? You do know it's winter, right?

          December 20, 2013 at 5:42 pm |
  16. K-switch

    So many sins to choose from, why all the focus on Gays?

    Here is a link to 667 sins listed in Bible, complete with veres references= http://www.wogim.org/sinlist.htm

    December 20, 2013 at 5:15 pm |
    • kyzaadrao

      What started it was a simple belief comment in an interview. And then LGBT activists notified A&E. And then the media jumped in. Many LGBT people are fine with his comments even if they don't agree.

      It's amazing what happens when organizations pretend to represent people.

      December 20, 2013 at 5:20 pm |
    • RB

      He was asked what he thought was sinful. He mentioned a few things. I wonder why all the adulterers aren't upset.

      December 20, 2013 at 5:21 pm |
      • travis

        Prefect!

        December 20, 2013 at 5:23 pm |
        • Austin

          what is worse? killing an animal and eating it, or molesting it?

          December 20, 2013 at 5:26 pm |
        • Twinkles, the DEMON SQUISH-KITTY Who Haunts Your Mind!

          What's worse, Austin, is splatting the cat with your car and then thinking it was divine revelation!

          December 20, 2013 at 5:28 pm |
        • Austin

          No I did not run the cat over. by the way how have you been? what was your former i.d.?

          December 20, 2013 at 5:32 pm |
      • kyzaadrao

        True, he mentioned them specifically and then made a point to show all sins and sinners were equal. If anything it should be equal opportunity outrage.

        Then again, this isn't about equality.

        December 20, 2013 at 5:24 pm |
  17. Russ

    Plato's "Symposium" (Aristophanes' Speech) speaks of ho.mo.se.xual relationships in Jerry Maguire-type definitions of love ("you complete me!"). And that's a well known academic work in the Hellenized world, 400 years BEFORE the NT.

    To attempt to dodge the NT condemnations of ho.mo.se.xual acts by claiming the ancients didn't have the same understanding is simply a failure to read ancient literature.

    December 20, 2013 at 5:15 pm |
    • Doris

      There has always been some degree of understanding of things we see before us, but can you say Russ, that we haven't learned anymore about the biological and psychological nature of homosexual relations since then? If that is what you suggest, then I suggest reading last December's Quarterly Review of Biology.

      December 20, 2013 at 5:19 pm |
      • Doris

        *any more*

        December 20, 2013 at 5:20 pm |
      • Russ

        @ Doris: you're moving the goal posts. i didn't say science hasn't advanced. i challenged the notion that ancients didn't have some sense of orientation or ho.mo.se.xual intimate relationships.

        Wesley Allen (in the article) claims that ancients didn't have the sense of "intimate, mutual relationships" that we do today. Read Aristophanes' Speech in the "Symposium." There's no room for that argument. The historical facts are there for anyone to read.

        December 20, 2013 at 5:23 pm |
    • Bob

      The self-contradictions of the bible, and its myriad varying interpretations, make it a failure in and of itself.

      December 20, 2013 at 5:20 pm |
      • Russ

        @ Bob: so which is it? are you arguing that Christianity as a whole is a farce – or that the Bible affirms ho.mo.se.xuality?

        recognize the difference – and in particular what that means for those claiming the latter position can be held with any integrity.

        December 20, 2013 at 5:25 pm |
    • JFCanton

      The fact that these relationships were 1) usually presented as having a pederastic origin and 2) insufficient of themselves (men were expected to marry women) does complicate the issue compared to what we are looking at now.

      December 20, 2013 at 5:28 pm |
      • Russ

        @ JFCanton:

        1) the Bible purposefully avoids speaking of pe.derasty here.

        There existed specific Greek words for male cu.lt prosti.tutes, however, such as "teliskomenos" or "kadesim" (cf. Deut. 23:17-18; 2 Kgs. 23:7 LXX), and for pe.dop.hiles, such as "paiderastes" (Plato, Symposium, 192b). Paul didn’t use any of these specific terms but rather the general one, "ar.senokoitai" (a compound coinage from Lev. 18:22 and 20:13 LXX). This suggests the apostle wasn’t limiting or restricting the condemnation of ho.mo.se.xual s.ex, but instead was reappropriating its universal prohibition from the Old Testament.

        2) the expectation to marry is something that many would say *still* exists (especially in families of LGBT folks). i don't see who that is some radical departure. if anything, the various, rather explicit texts in the He.llenized world make it clear that se.xual activity & promi.scuity were equal to (if not more so prevalent than) our current society.

        December 20, 2013 at 5:47 pm |
  18. Colin

    What is the only thing capable of making 40% of the country utterly stupid enough to think the entire Universe began less than 10,000 years ago with one man, one woman and a talking snake:

    (a) a horrid disease

    (b) a failed education system

    (c) a successful Al Qaeda plot; or

    (d) Christianity?

    December 20, 2013 at 5:12 pm |
    • travis

      Millions of years of evolution lead up to what we have today? Sucky evolution then. I can't believe in your magical big bang in the sky

      December 20, 2013 at 5:19 pm |
      • Bob

        More like you lack the guts or the brains to accept evolution, travis, so you prefer to wallow in your willful ignorance. Moron.

        December 20, 2013 at 5:22 pm |
      • Stephen

        No you should believe in it!! You know why?! The Big Bang says the whole universe was created out of nothing. Hmm something out of nothing. Sounds impossible without a creator.

        December 20, 2013 at 5:22 pm |
        • Colin

          And who created the creator. After all, by your logic, he could not have come from nothing.

          December 20, 2013 at 5:28 pm |
      • mucklucky

        Then you believe in instantaneous combustion in a sewage stew.. that's happened only once in all eternity. Really?

        December 20, 2013 at 5:24 pm |
      • Colin

        Sucky evolution then? Yeah but an omnipotent being so scre.wing matters up doesn't phase you at all -lol. The only people I know who believe a magical big bang started things are Christians.

        December 20, 2013 at 5:26 pm |
  19. Journey

    Good for Phil. It is about time someone decided to stand up to all these oppressive people.

    December 20, 2013 at 5:11 pm |
    • Free Nuts

      Well enough about the other Christians that he thinks are too soft, but what about the gays and the blacks?

      December 20, 2013 at 5:13 pm |
    • Stephen

      Ha

      December 20, 2013 at 5:18 pm |
    • Bubba

      I know. Christians are so oppressed. I wish one could be President someday

      December 20, 2013 at 5:19 pm |
    • Robert Townsend

      Phil is an old lush who needs an imaginary friend to keep him off the booze. What's the harm?

      December 20, 2013 at 5:20 pm |
    • biodome

      Yes, the white, christian evangelical movement in this country suffers under such tyranny and oppression by overzealous minorities. Ha!

      December 20, 2013 at 5:33 pm |
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