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Phil Robertson of A&E's "Duck Dynasty" has been suspended for his comments on homosexuality.
December 20th, 2013
11:23 AM ET

Does Phil Robertson get the Bible wrong?

By Daniel Burke, CNN Belief Blog Co-Editor
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(CNN) - The Robertson family of "Duck Dynasty" fame has rallied around its patriarch, saying his controversial comments on homosexuality are "grounded in the teachings of the Bible." But Scripture is fiercely contested ground, and some experts say Phil Robertson misinterprets a key Bible verse.

A&E, the network that broadcasts the hugely popular "Duck Dynasty" show, suspended Robertson for a now infamous interview with GQ magazine. In the article, Robertson, who became a born-again Christian in the 1970s after a prodigal youth, is asked to define "sin."

Here's what Robertson says: “Start with homosexual behavior and just morph out from there. Bestiality, sleeping around with this woman and that woman and that woman and those men."

Robertson, 67, then paraphrases a Bible passage from the New Testament: “Don’t be deceived. Neither the adulterers, the idolaters, the male prostitutes, the homosexual offenders, the greedy, the drunkards, the slanderers, the swindlers - they won’t inherit the kingdom of God.”

That's a pretty close citation of 1 Corinthians 6:9-10, which is a letter from Paul, often called the father of Christianity theology, to a fledgling Christian community in Corinth, Greece.

Here's what Paul's passage says, as rendered in the New International Version, by far the most popular translation among evangelicals and conservative Christians such as Robertson:

"Do not be deceived: Neither the sexually immoral nor idolaters nor adulterers nor men who have sex with men, nor thieves nor the greedy nor drunkards nor slanderers nor swindlers will inherit the kingdom of God."

Evangelicals, who make up about a quarter of the U.S. population, tend to take that passage at face value. The Robertson family pastor, for instance, told CNN on Thursday that "the verse explains itself."

Robertson himself is no religious neophyte. He's an elder in the White's Ferry Road Church of Christ and offers spiritual counseling, charity and Bible studies to many in his hometown of West Monroe, Louisiana, the family pastor, Mike Kellett told CNN.

The "Duck Dynasty" star also preaches around the country to conservatives that flock to hear his blend of woodsy, plainspoken Christianity.

Many conservatives backed Robertson's views on Scripture and homosexuality this week, if not the "crude" way he argued his point to GQ.

My Take: The Bible really does condemn homosexuality

But other Bible experts said the Scripture Robertson cited isn't quite clear about homosexuality.

"A lot of people misread this text because it's so complicated," said O. Wesley Allen Jr., an associate professor at Lexington Theological Seminary in Kentucky.

First, scholars say, we have to look at the context surrounding Paul's letter.

The Christian leader is trying to get the quarreling Corinthians to stop taking each other to civil courts and being judgmental. "The very fact that you have lawsuits among you means you have been completely defeated already," Paul says.

Things were supposed to be different after they became Christian believers, Paul continues; they were supposed to stop their sinful ways.

Then Paul lists some of their sins of the past, including greed, drinking too much, worshipping idols and sexual immorality. "That is what some of you were," Paul says. "But you were washed, you were sanctified, you were justified in the name of the Lord Jesus Christ and by the Spirit of our God."

The list of sins is likely based on rumors that Paul heard about Corinth, says Warren Throckmorton, a psychology professor at Grove City College in Pennsylvania who has studied the Bible's teachings on homosexuality. Bible scholars call it a "vice list," and it appears several times in Scripture.

So what does Paul's "vice list" say about homosexuality? That's the tricky part.

The first word Paul uses is "malakoi," which means "soft" in Greek, according to Allen. By analogy, the word came to mean "effeminate," which is how the King James Version of the Bible translates it.

"In the ancient world, it would refer to a boy in a relationship with an older man," Allen said. "It was pederasty, not homosexuality as we think of it today."

The other relevant word on Paul's "vice list" is "arsenokotai," which means "male sex." It refers to the other half in the man-boy relationship, common in Greece at the time, Allen said, the older male having sex with the "soft one."

"It isn't anything to do with what we would see today in an intimate, mutual relationship between gay adults," said Allen, who is co-authoring an upcoming book on homosexuality and heterosexuality in the church.

My Take: The Bible’s surprisingly mixed messages on sexuality

Even so, scholars such as Allen acknowledge there are no Bible passages that support same-sex relationships, and at least seven that appear to condemn gay sex.

"There's no way around the fact that those passages take a negative view of homosexuality, and nowhere in the Bible is a positive view offered," Allen said. "So conservatives and liberals continue to debate."

Liberals say that some parts of the Bible offered particular truths for a specific times and places but those times and places, as well as human understanding of sexuality, have progressed dramatically.

"The Bible may be divinely inspired, but its authors were human and saw, as St. Paul puts it, through a glass darkly," said Jim Naughton, a Christian gay rights activist and communications consultant. "On the subject of homosexuality, the Bible doesn’t mean what Phil Robertson thinks it means."

Conservatives such as Robertson, on the other hand, argue that the Bible is the bedrock of their faith, unchanging and unalterable. "We want you to know that first and foremost we are a family rooted in our faith in God and our belief that the Bible is His word," the Robertson family said Thursday.

For decades, the gulf between the two sides has divided denominations, churches and families. To paraphrase Lincoln, both sides read the same Bible and pray to the same God, and both invoke his aid to argue against each other. Which is why our contemporary debate over homosexuality is so fierce, and so seemingly unending.

- CNN Religion Editor

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  1. rollthedice

    Mark my words,this whole thing with Mr Robertson is gonna start a revival.Christians are gonna stand up everywhere and stand up for God and christian values.This is long overdue in my opinion,just reading all the blaspheming comments about God,Jesus,the Bible is so disturbing and shows how far behind this country has left God. Please Lord help this country.

    December 20, 2013 at 9:42 pm |
    • Observer

      rollthedice,

      So are you going to support the Bible and try to bring slavery back?

      December 20, 2013 at 9:46 pm |
      • rollthedice

        @observer,im not gonna try to teach you about slaves back in israel cause something tells me you really dont want to learn,but if you do just really study the bible and what was happening in those day,the culture,etc. You cant just read it,you need to study and pray to get a full understanding of Gods word. And if you do, i guarantee that your eyes will be opened.
        God bless.

        December 20, 2013 at 10:07 pm |
        • sam

          If you truly had studied the bible, you'd be running for the hills by now away from the insanity. You have no idea what you're talking about.

          December 20, 2013 at 10:09 pm |
        • Right

          This would be the "good slavery" schtick that Christians have been trying to claim lately. Sure, the "good" form of slavery, as if there could be such a thing. And of course the Bible doesn't make any comment on there being good or bad forms of slavery either.

          Oh, and it is okay to sell your daughter into slavery according to the bible. It's right by the Ten Commandments.

          December 20, 2013 at 10:14 pm |
        • sam

          @Right – these guys change their tune whichever way the wind blows, as long as they come out looking 'chosen'.

          December 20, 2013 at 10:17 pm |
        • bowldsbrendonbboi7581

          well understand, like it or not, this is not the first time people have used the bible, translated, and paraphrased it to full fill their own hate. At one time, it was just plain taught, and interpreted that black people were cursed, and the offspring were abominations. Social change causes change, and that's what needs to happen. If people try and turn the central theme of love in Jesus's word to that of hate, then we don't need people to unite. We need more, not less diversity to make us all better as a society. Trust me, conservative white Christians still have not lost their dominance, so their is no need for paranoia, just refer to stop and frisk policies and see the disparate impact.

          December 20, 2013 at 10:29 pm |
        • RB

          Right,

          Please explain to us the differences between the economic servitude described in the bible and the economic servitude that exists today.

          December 20, 2013 at 10:55 pm |
        • sam

          @RB – cherrypick harder.

          December 20, 2013 at 11:02 pm |
        • Petra

          "Economic servitude" is yet another way to excuse the fact that slavery was condoned in the Bible. Seems to me, if God thought it was so heinous, (along with being gay) it would have been one of the Big Ten.

          December 20, 2013 at 11:23 pm |
        • Observer

          rollthedice,

          If you opened your eyes you'd see that your "politically correct back then" excuse is PITIFUL. Right is right.

          December 20, 2013 at 11:26 pm |
        • redzoa

          The "economic servitude" argument fails in the context of foreign slaves (Leviticus 25:44-46). This is the clear condoning of owning other human beings as personal property. Even mere mortals came to view this practice as morally repugnant, but when given the opportunity to expressly condemn the practice, the biblical deity authorizes it.

          December 21, 2013 at 12:06 am |
    • Henry Ibsen

      I tend to think the opposite, that the ignorance and hate from guys like Robertson tend to repulse people the other direction.

      Do you really think that people are going to latch onto a guy who looks like Charles Manson? The only people for him were already hard-core book-thumps. People who are actually debating the matter with themselves are far more likely to be repelled by him that convinced.

      December 20, 2013 at 9:48 pm |
    • sam

      Yeah, you guys are doing a stellar job so far. Can't agree with each other on a single point; barely understand the bible since you only know the parts your church or parents force fed you; whipped into a mindless frenzy over non issues. Wasting all your time and money fighting to make sure people have to live by your rules.

      What a joke. You are the reason this country is getting behind in education.

      December 20, 2013 at 10:00 pm |
      • FTC

        @Sam, dude..you're on fire!! Your posts are cracking me up.

        I have a thought experiment for you believers. Ready? Ok.

        What is god? To be "god", the being must possess the following qualities:
        1) All Powerful
        2) All Knowing
        3) Omnipresent
        4) Perfection (i.e. god cannot make a mistake)

        Is this correct? Well, let’s zero in on number 4 shall we? If god is perfect, it means that god cannot make a mistake. Agreed? Everything god IS, is perfect. EVERYTHING. There are NO flaws in god… This “god” would be incapable of creating imperfection. In fact, god could not even conceive of imperfection. If god were able to conceive imperfection…well…then god would not be perfect. How can a perfect being have an imperfect thought? And more importantly…create imperfection from a perfect thought? Therefore, god can only create perfection because god cannot conceive imperfection. If god COULD create imperfection, then god can NOT be perfect. Thereby violating quality number 4. Leading us to the inevitable conclusion that this being is NOT god.

        So… I guess we are perfect because according to you, god created us. True? Did he not create us in his very image? Therefore, we are the perfect creation of a perfect being and we cannot choose to be imperfect. Because like god…we could not conceive of imperfection. And if we are perfect, well…then why are you saying that gays are not?

        Now you could use the ole cop out of “it’s a matter of faith and that we mere mortals cannot understand the mind of god”. And my response would be.. Then why in the heck do you believe in a book that was written by men who are incapable of understanding the mind of god?

        The ultimate hypocrisy methinks.

        December 21, 2013 at 1:14 am |
  2. Austin

    if this guy copped and atti.tude big deal. There is a battle to stand up for the word of God, as provided by the Lord and redeemer.

    this battle is NOT for the saved for further pride, this battle is for the unsaved. so leave you atti.tude at home.

    this is a labor of love and hope.

    The new covenant is better than the old testament. the penalty for sin is a curse that God turns His back on sin. There was atonement in the OT. but NOW, in the New testament, as Christ ascended to heaven the Holy Spirit is our gift as the harvest is reaped patiently, we now have the helper, who convicts the world of sin, and supernaturally changes us from within.

    Praise God for his kick in the right direction.
    He came clothed in a robe dipped in blood and they called HIs name, "the Word of God".

    December 20, 2013 at 9:22 pm |
    • Bob

      The whole Christ-sacrifice thing is a steaming pile of bull-do. How is it again that your omnipotent being couldn't do his saving bit without the whole silly Jesus hoopla? And how was Jesus' death a "sacrifice", when an omnipotent being could just pop up a replacement son any time with less than a snap of his fingers? Pretty pathetic "god" that you've made for yourself there.

      Ask the questions. Break the chains. Join the movement.
      Be free of Christianity and other superstitions.
      http://whywontgodhealamputees.com/

      December 20, 2013 at 9:24 pm |
      • Austin

        the reason I can tell you you are wrong is because I have personal evidence, data, as proof that the Lord unveils himself supernaturally. He is a God of supernatural capability.

        I was like Paul, I hated and persecuted the church, and then God opened my eyes and gave me supernatural light.

        December 20, 2013 at 9:28 pm |
        • Bob

          So present your evidence, your "data". If you do not do so promptly, and in a form in which we can verify it, we can safely assume that you have none. If you succeed, you will be the first person to ever do so.

          I think you are lying.

          Ask the questions. Break the chains. Join the movement.
          Be free of Christianity and other superstitions.
          http://whywontgodhealamputees.com/

          December 20, 2013 at 9:31 pm |
        • Topher

          Austin, is that me?

          December 20, 2013 at 9:32 pm |
        • John H Cormier

          WHY DID YOU SEND ME..."133"...REPLIES TO MY MESSAGE......?..."WHAT THE HELL".........!......JHC........! Date: Sat, 21 Dec 2013 02:32:13 +0000 To: damount13@hotmail.ca

          December 21, 2013 at 12:01 am |
        • Bob

          And actually, Austin, your post is not a valid response to mine; it is pretty much non sequitur. So, read again, but this time try to grok the question before you reflexively respond:

          The whole Jesus-sacrifice thing is a steaming pile of bull-do. How is it again that your omnipotent being couldn't do his saving bit without the whole silly Jesus hoopla? And how was Jesus' death a "sacrifice", when an omnipotent being could just pop up a replacement son any time with less than a snap of his fingers? Pretty pathetic "god" that you've made for yourself there.

          Ask the questions. Break the chains. Join the movement.
          Be free of Christianity and other superstitions.
          http://whywontgodhealamputees.com/

          December 20, 2013 at 9:35 pm |
        • Twinkles, The Demon Squish-Kitty In Your Head

          Brace yourself, Bob. He's told us before, and it's howlingly funny. He might omit the parts about driving his truck through several churches and trying to do the same at the state capital, oh yeah, and the later drunk driving arrest (after he was a full-on Jesus freak).

          December 20, 2013 at 9:35 pm |
        • Austin

          Bob, as I told you , I was handing people dreams written out of things that I had dreamed about as they unfolded in reality. my last conversation with End Religion, got my email address banned from here because I disclosed a dream about chemical weapons being used in the middle east, as well as about 10 other dreams where I wrote them down fist only to find out soon that the Holy Spirit, or another agent, was leading me supernaturally.

          what you seek is physical proof for a spiritual God. explain the reationality behind your quest.

          December 20, 2013 at 9:36 pm |
        • Austin

          ya I drove into the church in 2001 and then God has more than lifted me up with a concrete faith that I could never refuse. I have a Damascus road experience like salvation. I have a literal calling.
          Jehovah Shammah
          The Lord is There

          December 20, 2013 at 9:38 pm |
        • Twinkles, The Demon Squish-Kitty In Your Head

          Only one church? It used to be three.

          Now tell him about your "visions," the ones that to you prove God.

          December 20, 2013 at 9:42 pm |
        • HotAirAce

          Austin, we've been down this road before. You claim to have evidence then you refuse to produce the evidence, then you run away. So cut to the chase and save us all some time – produce your evidence now or run away now.

          December 20, 2013 at 9:53 pm |
        • Bob

          Austin, you've had time to do other posts, and haven't produced evidence, so we can reasonably now conclude that you had none.

          Please show some courage and retract your claim of having evidence now.

          December 20, 2013 at 10:02 pm |
        • Bob

          HAA and Twinkles, yeah, I wasn't really expecting a valid response from Austin. I did sincerely give him a chance.

          Happy Holidays.
          Cheers.

          December 20, 2013 at 10:04 pm |
      • Theophilus

        "If you are the Son of God come down here and now"?? Matthew 27:40

        December 20, 2013 at 10:09 pm |
  3. Rodents for Romney

    Who gives a crap what an ancient set of texts say concerning anything / They were pre-scientific. There was no {Psuchology, no notion of orientation. ALL men were assumed to be inherently straight, thus acting any other way was 'unnatural" That has been proven false. Dr. Shawna Dolansky and Dr Friedmann have also written extensively on what constu'tuted an abomination. Paul said they were freed from the "old law" (except when they weren't).

    There is NO reason an ancient book by totally ignorant humans has to inform modern human society. The ONLY reason these laws are IN the Babble in the first place, is because the writers TOOK them from the culture they lived in. There is NO original contribution TO culture from religion. Culture informs religion.

    December 20, 2013 at 9:21 pm |
    • Bob

      You are one smart Rodent. Two thumbs up to your post.

      December 20, 2013 at 9:25 pm |
    • lol??

      The Tower of Babel was built with sand bricks from the sand box. I see, now. Prescience, sure.

      December 20, 2013 at 9:36 pm |
    • sam

      They can't even agree with each other on what their books say, what they should follow, what's important. If Jesus came back today he'd be horrified that any of them were using his name for this horror show.

      They change their minds all the time when they're pushed hard enough. It used to be a big sin to mix the races.

      December 20, 2013 at 9:39 pm |
      • Paula

        No, the Bible is very clear on this matter, but man doesn't like the answer. Thus, several want to change the "interpretation". It is what it is and everyone has the choice. It's a personal choice. I wish people would see that and stop bashing everyone else.

        December 20, 2013 at 9:47 pm |
        • Observer

          Paula,

          The Bible is also very clear about supporting slavery and beating children.

          So what was your point?

          December 20, 2013 at 9:50 pm |
        • sam

          The bible was 'clear' on one guy marrying plenty of women.

          Jam it sideways.

          December 20, 2013 at 10:01 pm |
        • Bible also said women should be quiet in church

          Paula...let's pretend for a moment that being gay is a choice.

          It's still none of your business, and none of any church's business. Learn to leave other people alone to live their lives before someone makes you.

          Quiet, woman. God said so.

          December 20, 2013 at 10:03 pm |
        • Similarly

          The bible is similarly clear on the subject of ugly people in church. Forbidden.

          It is what it is.

          December 20, 2013 at 10:11 pm |
        • sam

          Gluttony is a sin, too, but your pews are packed with fat, indulgent chik-fil-a fans. So I guess you need to reassess your bullshit.

          December 20, 2013 at 10:13 pm |
    • Chris

      I think that you have a way too critical look at the bible. The laws in the bible were created from observation. One in particular is the Biblical rule for eating shellfish. People were getting, sick from the shellfish, because of the water contaminants, and as a safety precaution they made it a rule not to eat it. I think that you miss some of the things that the bible took, and holds. It was not written by totally ignorant people. The writers of this book, must have had some knowledge.

      There is no reason to condemn a book for something that people are taking out of context. I would also like to point out that this book asks men and women within Christianity to love one another. You cannot take the actions,and the beliefs of some radical Christians and throw the whole thing out.

      As for your culture informs religion... I'd ask you to look at the calendar, and see what American society celebrates, and equate that to the Holidays of religion.... if you look at it from that sense then you find that Religion informs culture.... This has been the same way since the Romans. The romans revolved their times of rest, and festivals around the religions of the pagans, and later on the Christians, and the Jews.... I think that before making absolutes one should do some research.

      December 20, 2013 at 9:39 pm |
      • sam

        The two influence each other. Most religious folks are the ones taking a too-harsh look at the bible. Not a damn single denomination can even agree on what their books say; and they can be forced to change.

        Remember when it was a universal sin to mix the races?

        Exactly. Try again.

        December 20, 2013 at 9:42 pm |
        • Chris

          The book when taken within its contextual underpinnings, and taken as a whole can be seen as a betterment. the problem with most denominations of Christians is that each side wants to knit pick which parts are correct, and that enters the problem. The book should not be taken literally there are way too many paradoxes, and contradicting portions of it, especially within the Old Testament.

          Also... the universal sin to Mix races.... That was socially construed. It was socially constructed, and packaged. One can turn to the times of slavery. The Old Testament looks at the Book of Exodus to view slavery, and One can find a major motif trough out the book is to remember your pass, and not allowing it to repeat itself. Therefore taking a negative stance to slavery. To take it into the New Testament Christ is often found quoting the Torah, and proving his point. The fact of the matter is a lot of things that people contribute faults towards the bible can be seen as Social Construction-ism.

          December 20, 2013 at 9:59 pm |
        • sam

          Did you seriously just try to blame racism on society influencing the religious?

          Good. Let's get busy influencing them to do all kinds of other stuff. They've already proven how gullible they are; let's socially engineer them to learn how to get along with the rest of society.

          December 20, 2013 at 10:06 pm |
        • lol??

          Samster, show me in the scripture where there is more than one race. Science and modern pharisees did that trick.

          December 20, 2013 at 10:08 pm |
        • sam

          lol??, go back to studying the tao of Sarah Palin, and fuck off.

          December 20, 2013 at 10:11 pm |
        • Chris

          Sam, no I actually blamed Racists for using the bible for their own means. There are rascist as you know... and they can actually belong to a religion. racists can then use what ever they can to prove their point.... as well as the bible by knit picking at the bible and taking only parts that you want one can actually justify racism, slavery, and other such things.

          before jumping to conclusions, and make assertions please back them up....

          December 20, 2013 at 10:11 pm |
        • sam

          Then Chris, it's too bad there just are never enough 'good' christians around to stand up when racists, and gay bashers, and any other filth show up and use the bible for their own ends.

          They don't because they think the bible means those things, too. Or they're not brave enough to say otherwise.

          How convenient.

          December 20, 2013 at 10:16 pm |
        • David Alicea

          Luk 7:37 And, behold, a woman in the city, which was a sinner, when she knew that Jesus sat at meat in the Pharisee's house, brought an alabaster box of ointment,

          December 20, 2013 at 10:21 pm |
        • Chris

          Sam there are infact good Christians standing up for the oppressed. William Willborforce, a christian who used christianity to end slavery practices in England. Jane Adams, quaker, started social work to cater for people economically oppressed. There are christians standing up for every form of oppression that the media, aswell as you refuse to realize, or view.

          A speaker that has recently created a more communal, and friendly environment for gay people, such as myself is Pope Francis. Who asks many to create a more welcoming and loving environment.

          Christians throughout time, have contributed to helping society's oppressed people. Christians every day help alleviates one persons life, but i guarantee that your work cannot shadow theirs.

          -Chris, a gay catholic social worker

          this was meant for this thread

          December 20, 2013 at 10:31 pm |
        • Petra

          Lol, show me in those same Scriptures where JESUS HIMSELF said anything about gays.

          December 20, 2013 at 10:34 pm |
        • Chris

          Petra I ask you to look anywere where Jesus said himself to ostricize people, or condemn people, if anything Christ asks us to love one another as oneself....

          if you find a passage inwhich one can find a passage that Christ asks one to oppress people, and make people feel like they are no one in society then by all means. The last time i checked jesus hung out with the people who sinned the most

          December 20, 2013 at 10:39 pm |
        • Petra

          Actually, Chris, I was talking to lol??, who makes using the Bible against everyone he hates a cottage industry.

          And that's my point. Jesus NEVER said a word about gays. Had a lot to say about heteros, though.

          December 20, 2013 at 11:18 pm |
        • Chris

          Petra Toche ! Valid argument!! LOLZ I cant thats too funny

          December 20, 2013 at 11:24 pm |
      • bowldsbrendonbboi7581

        Are you speaking on the fact that Jesus was born in the autumn and the translation of Sabat is seven?

        December 20, 2013 at 10:18 pm |
        • Chris

          no im speaking about the holidays one might celebrate if you look at the calander there are christian undertones that have infact influenced society

          December 20, 2013 at 10:25 pm |
        • sam

          Chris, stop. You're embarrassing yourself. Christians subverted and borrowed many existing celebrations, like Yule, Oestara, and others, to push their agenda, and convert people.

          YOU do some research.

          December 20, 2013 at 10:31 pm |
        • bowldsbrendonbboi7581

          and Winter Solstice, as well as Pasche, the verdict is still out on weather these were acts of Christians or Pagans though. It's kind of hard to say when the emperor making these decisions had claimed to see about 4 different Gods, and invoking them to help with his battles, and they all spoke to him until he ended up with a large following of Jews, who followed the Christo's, before claiming to see the Chi and Rho symbol.

          December 20, 2013 at 10:38 pm |
        • Chris

          Sam your ignorance is becoming more appearent the more you type. Bowls on the other hand is correct. Constantine used pagan festivals to convert christians... Constantine himself didnt become Christian till his deathbed... So sam I ask you to do your research.

          December 20, 2013 at 10:41 pm |
        • sam

          Chris, bowl's post is more against you than for you. Get help. I worry for anyone you supposedly counsel.

          December 20, 2013 at 10:47 pm |
        • Chris

          LOL Sam I merely state and recognize his argument with validity. I do however counter Bowls, and Your argument, by stating a mere fact that Constantine, The Emperor of Rome, was not Christian when he was fighting his battles. But nonetheless I applaud that Bowls had some logic and is much more learned than you are. Also the only one person you need to worry about is yourself, at any rate you ignorance which has been apparent through this whole thread is rather appalling.

          December 20, 2013 at 10:52 pm |
        • bowldsbrendonbboi7581

          You my friend, I like you. I apologize if I offend anyone, namely Christians in anyway, as that is not my intentions. I just have really had to study the Bible, the context, the translations of so many words and verses so many times, and while I don't believe that I have all of the definitive answers, I think I have a lot. I enjoy debates of Theology very much, and talking with someone who has an opposing view, only helps me understand my faith that much better. Thank you for your compliment, and I would have this discussion with you 1,000 times

          December 20, 2013 at 10:58 pm |
        • sam

          I hope you eventually get your head straight, Chris. No, that's not a pun. You would do well to educate yourself further. You are a confused individual who defends himself with passive aggressive assertions and can't tell when you're off track. Have a good evening.

          December 20, 2013 at 11:06 pm |
        • Chris

          Bowls, thank you! Discussions of theology is fascinating to me. Using Social Work, and Theology brings in a different lens that I am offering here with my post. I argue that there are many christian overtones in many parts of our society. The majority of the US founding Fathers were primarily Christians, and the rules of engagement that they lived in and brought over to the new world prominently were from a Christian monarchy, The British Crown is also the Head of the Anglican Church. So to completely discredit the christian overtones of many of the original laws is sadly disheartening. I point out that a bunch of rules were influenced by Christianity or in other ways "religion inform culture". One example of this is in the rule The Elizabethan Poor Laws. This law paved the way for the protestant work ethic, in making people work in order to receive governmental assistance. This stems and later paves the way for the social policy of Ronald reagan and till today.

          Bowls I appreciate your comment, I also do not think you are insulting or offending any Christians. I do offer since you have looked at scripture for a while, to try tracing its effects on society, and to find how it affects society today. It has been a major influence on American society.

          December 20, 2013 at 11:13 pm |
        • Chris

          Yea thanks Sam, Ill get my head straight, and I probably will continue to educate myself because unlike you I do not believe that learning ever ends.

          Sam I will pray for you! the way you argue is a little sad. You make assertions with out any evidence, and that is sad. You shall be in my prayers.
          Merry Christ-Mas Sam. May God help you in all of your endeavors.

          December 20, 2013 at 11:21 pm |
        • DB Cooper

          Someone get Chris some meds...

          December 21, 2013 at 1:04 am |
        • DB Cooper

          'I will pray for you' = Christian speak for 'screw you' lol

          Chris you are a scary bitch

          December 21, 2013 at 1:05 am |
      • Chris

        Sam there are infact good Christians standing up for the oppressed. William Willborforce, a christian who used christianity to end slavery practices in England. Jane Adams, quaker, started social work to cater for people economically oppressed. There are christians standing up for every form of oppression that the media, aswell as you refuse to realize, or view.

        A speaker that has recently created a more communal, and friendly environment for gay people, such as myself is Pope Francis. Who asks many to create a more welcoming and loving environment.

        Christians throughout time, have contributed to helping society's oppressed people. Christians every day help alleviates one persons life, but i guarantee that your work cannot shadow theirs.

        -Chris, a gay catholic social worker

        December 20, 2013 at 10:30 pm |
        • legadema37

          I agree with you, but there are too many phony Christians like this Robertson fellow who hide behind the Bible & twist the scriptures to suit their desire to be self righteous & superior & they have the crazy idea that everyone not like them is going to hell. Respect for others is not in their vocabulary unless you adopt their way of thinking. Doesn't sound like Jesus' way at all but they can't see that.

          December 20, 2013 at 10:52 pm |
        • Chris

          very well stated Legadema37

          December 20, 2013 at 10:53 pm |
        • sam

          @legadema37 – what you need to remember is that you are trying to decide what a real christian is.

          None of you can agree.

          Phil would call you a false christian, too.

          December 20, 2013 at 11:08 pm |
      • haha what??

        Shhhhhhh chris wow shhhhhhhh

        December 20, 2013 at 11:12 pm |
    • Epicurian

      Precisely!!!!!

      December 21, 2013 at 12:10 am |
  4. Newsflash!

    This just in: Gay couples are at this moment marrying in . . . UTAH! No joke. The ban was ruled unconstitutional.

    What a wonderful irony for those loving Mormons who spent so much money trying to get it banned in so many states.

    December 20, 2013 at 9:14 pm |
    • Petra

      Oh, that is just too, TOO funny.

      December 20, 2013 at 9:20 pm |
    • sam

      Here's hoping other religious groups take note of how not to waste their money from now on. Trying to buy their way into forcing people to live their way is never going to work.

      December 20, 2013 at 9:25 pm |
      • Bob

        OTOH, I'm kind of inclined to let them waste their money and see them go bankrupt trying to force their bankrupt ideology on others. But I hear you.

        December 20, 2013 at 9:29 pm |
        • sam

          Oh, yeah, exactly. Just tired of watching them tie up our courts with their nonsense, and try and hold entire political parties hostage. They're a scourge.

          December 20, 2013 at 9:36 pm |
  5. scott

    all I can say is a lot of people is deceived!

    December 20, 2013 at 9:02 pm |
    • Yep

      Religious people are indeed deceived.

      December 20, 2013 at 9:05 pm |
      • Austin

        there is an authentic truth that you may think is religious.

        The Holy spirit is a sanctifying spirit that bears the truth of God's word on a persons heart, and salvation is a supernatural reception and delivery. pass up on religion, but take hold of truth.

        December 20, 2013 at 9:25 pm |
        • Twinkles, The Demon Squish-Kitty In Your Head

          So, as a guy who admits to believing he has experienced demon cats, you think it is others with the problem? Interesting.

          Care to tell us again about how you drove your truck through several churches again?

          December 20, 2013 at 9:33 pm |
  6. Chad

    Merry Christmas to all!!

    December 20, 2013 at 8:58 pm |
    • Okey Dokey

      Happy Festivus

      December 20, 2013 at 9:00 pm |
    • sam

      Thanks man, same to you. It's always good to be wished well, no matter what.

      December 20, 2013 at 9:40 pm |
  7. Free Holiday Nuts

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TMcOhghKPJQ

    December 20, 2013 at 8:56 pm |
  8. rollthedice

    http://www.prophezine.com/index.php?option=com_content&id=523:israel-america-isaiah-a-gods-judgment-a-nation-dedicated-to-god

    December 20, 2013 at 8:41 pm |
  9. Wondering

    I wonder why Ducky Robertson ignores Luke 12:33, "Sell your possessions and give to the poor." And Mark 10:25 "It is easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle than for someone who is rich to enter the kingdom of God"

    Ah, but it's easy to forget your own transgressions and point fingers at everyone else. It's pure hypocrisy of course, but easy.

    December 20, 2013 at 8:41 pm |
    • JJ

      There are usually two answers to get around this pesky little verse. Either just ignore it all together or the word "rich" can mean anything. There's always a way out of these corners.

      December 20, 2013 at 8:44 pm |
      • lol??

        Um, He was addressing not-a-jews who were divorced and were just playin' religion, attorneys and all. Americult is similar, nation of laws and all. Got enuff transgressors yet?? Sin made exceedingly sinful yet?? Not to worry, yer on the path.

        December 20, 2013 at 8:54 pm |
        • Petra

          Um, for someone who plays Christian, you exhibit none of Christ's traits.
          Matter of fact, you exemplify none.

          December 20, 2013 at 8:57 pm |
        • Okey Dokey

          He was addressing a group of his disciples and followers. You are stunninglly ignorant of the Bible.

          December 20, 2013 at 8:58 pm |
        • lol??

          Dokester, Peter had a problem.

          "Luk 12:41 Then Peter said unto him, Lord, speakest thou this parable unto us, or even to all?"

          December 20, 2013 at 9:28 pm |
        • Okey Dokey

          Wow, reading comprehension is really not your strong suit! By Luke 12:41, Jesus has changed the subject and is talking about watching for the end times, not about wealth.

          You really don't know your own Bible.

          December 20, 2013 at 9:40 pm |
    • Jeremiah

      The verse stating sell your possessions is talking directly to an individual about their personal life not a general rule of thumb. The verse about the eye of the needle does not say its impossible only difficult due to the contrasting nature of humanity and morality. Obviously most find it difficult to believe in God and feel as though they are self sufficient thus it's easier to be poor and seek God for help. People look for meanings in scripture to fit their lifestyle instead of changing their lifestyle to fit scripture this is the only thing this report proves.

      December 20, 2013 at 8:57 pm |
    • hamptonblogger

      It is not hypocrisy when you are asked a question and answer it.

      December 20, 2013 at 8:57 pm |
      • Wondering

        Was that the hypocrisy I was referring to? Of course not. The hypocrisy is in his own failure to follower Jesus' instructions as he insists others should.

        December 20, 2013 at 9:28 pm |
    • sam

      Idiots like this are careful to avoid any scripture that doesn't benefit them.

      December 20, 2013 at 9:27 pm |
  10. ɔᴉΛ

    ,,˙llᴉM ǝǝɹℲ,, ɥʇᴉʍ ǝɹǝɟɹǝʇuᴉ ʇ,uoʍ poפ ,,˙llᴉM ǝǝɹℲ,, ʇɐ ǝʌǝᴉlǝq sᴉ op oʇ spǝǝu uɐɯ ʇɐɥʍ ll∀ ˙suᴉs ɹno ɹoɟ ʎɐd puɐ ʍɐ˥ ǝɥʇ llᴉɟlnɟ oʇ ʇsᴉɹɥƆ snsǝſ ɟo ǝɔᴉɟᴉɹɔɐS ƃuᴉuoʇ∀ ǝɥʇ ɥʇᴉʍ uɐʇɐS pǝƃuǝllɐɥɔ-ʇno 'ǝɔɐɹפ sᴉH ɟo ʇno puɐ 'ǝƃuǝllɐɥɔ ʇɐɥʇ sɹouoɥ poפ (˙ǝlqᴉq ǝɥʇ uᴉ qoſ ɟo ʞooq ǝǝs) ,,llᴉM ǝǝɹℲ,, ʎq poפ uᴉ ǝʌǝᴉlǝq uɐɔ uɐɯ ʇɐɥʇ poפ pǝƃuǝllɐɥɔ uɐʇɐS ˙ɟo ǝƃpǝlʍouʞ lɐʇoʇ ou ǝʌɐɥ ǝʍ ʇɐɥʇ uǝʌɐǝH ɟO ɹǝpɹO ǝɥʇ ɟo ǝɹɐ ʇɐɥʇ sƃuᴉɥʇ ǝɹɐ ǝɹǝɥ┴

    :ʇɹoɥs uI˙˙pǝssǝɹppɐ ǝq oʇ spǝǝu sᴉɥʇ˙˙llǝʍ˙˙ɥO

    December 20, 2013 at 8:32 pm |
    • Billy

      Oh this is awful. I know we don't agree, but poor Vic is now possessed by Satan it seems.

      December 20, 2013 at 8:33 pm |
  11. Now that's just stupid...

    How can anyone get the bible wrong or right?-it's contradictory and confusing from the get go.

    December 20, 2013 at 8:30 pm |
  12. Mark McKenzie

    Robertson got nothing wrong concerning the Bible. Read the Bible for yourself and you will see. It's online and free there is no need for ignorance these days. Praise God for a man who is willing to take a stand. Perhaps the time has finally come to overthrow the Gayocracy that has been ruling and destroying this country for so long.

    December 20, 2013 at 8:26 pm |
    • Observer

      Mark,

      Do you also support the Bible when it comes to slavery and beating helpless children? Or do you just PICK and CHOOSE?

      December 20, 2013 at 8:28 pm |
    • bowldsbrendonbboi7581

      It's not the words, it's how it's interpreted, and the fact that he ignored the context. Unless you are a cryptologist, you cannot make that assumption. You keep reading the hate about the bible, and I'lll keep reading the love, let's see how far that gets you.

      December 20, 2013 at 8:30 pm |
    • sam

      Keep it up, and more and more people will push back. No one's going to sit back and let nonsense like this continue. We'll run you guys out of town one fight at a time.

      December 20, 2013 at 9:29 pm |
  13. Tony

    God hates the sin not the sinner, with Gods help you can change your life and sins.

    December 20, 2013 at 8:24 pm |
    • James

      Which is why the more religious countries and religious parts of America have higher crime rates.

      December 20, 2013 at 8:27 pm |
    • truthprevails1

      Love the believer, dislike the belief. 🙂

      December 20, 2013 at 8:30 pm |
    • sam

      Sin is a concept to create guilt and fear and keep the unwashed masses in line. Keep it to yourself.

      December 20, 2013 at 9:30 pm |
  14. Barbi

    Maddy, I answered you and the blog didn't post me.

    Matthew 19:4-6

    New International Version (NIV)

    4 “Haven’t you read,” he replied, “that at the beginning the Creator ‘made them male and female,’[a] 5 and said, ‘For this reason a man will leave his father and mother and be united to his wife, and the two will become one flesh’[b]? 6 So they are no longer two, but one flesh. Therefore what God has joined together, let no one separate.”

    December 20, 2013 at 8:20 pm |
    • James

      She asked you to show where Jesus said anything about it, and you went to Genesis? Where in Genesis is Jesus? And that quote says absolutely nothing at all about gays.

      December 20, 2013 at 8:23 pm |
    • Maddy

      That I'd talking about marriage an divorce. Where did He say anything about gay people?

      December 20, 2013 at 8:24 pm |
    • Observer

      Barbi,

      "let no one separate.”

      NO divorces. Or is this just another CONTRADICTION in the Bible?

      December 20, 2013 at 8:24 pm |
    • sam

      Who cares? People like you can make that book mean anything you want it to. Jesus never worried about gay people. Go find a better hobby.

      December 20, 2013 at 9:31 pm |
  15. jtkuenzi

    Phil Robertson didn't group gays with people full of "murder, envy, strife, hatred." God did. Phil was quoting scripture. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_3MwBGsj7kw&list=TLkDyxp8nN-jmz9QRt7_phaFvZzoG7rNgB Romans 1:26-32 NIV 26 Because of this, God gave them over to shameful lusts. Even their women exchanged natural relations for unnatural ones. 27 In the same way the men also abandoned natural relations with women and were inflamed with lust for one another. Men committed indecent acts with other men, and received in themselves the due penalty for their perversion. 28 Furthermore, since they did not think it worthwhile to retain the knowledge of God, he gave them over to a depraved mind, to do what ought not to be done. 29 They have become filled with every kind of wickedness, evil, greed and depravity. They are full of envy, murder, strife, deceit and malice. They are gossips, 30 slanderers, God-haters, insolent, arrogant and boastful; they invent ways of doing evil; they disobey their parents; 31 they are senseless, faithless, heartless, ruthless. 32 Although they know God's righteous decree that those who do such things deserve death, they not only continue to do these very things but also approve of those who practice them. http://www.vfbt.org/jesus.html

    December 20, 2013 at 8:19 pm |
    • Petra

      Oh, I dunno, when someone talks about gay people and bestiality in the same breath, that sends a pretty clear message; one that A&E, his employer, didn't agree with. Too bad, so sad.

      December 20, 2013 at 8:32 pm |
    • sam

      Then it's time for your ugly little god to go.

      In the meantime, keep your religious crap at church or home and leave people alone.

      December 20, 2013 at 9:32 pm |
  16. AtheistSteve

    People of religious faith are bigoted but believe they're not. A broad brush I know and many liberal Christians are soft on some key issues like abortion, gay marriage and creationism yet still believe that God is real, that heaven is real, that sin is real and that salvation from eternal torture in hell is the price Jesus paid on our behalf(so long as you believe in him). Otherwise it's eternal torture in hell.
    I'm an atheist, a non-believer, a denier of the Holy Spirit. Arguably the very worst sin of all, unforgivable according to scripture. To a Christian my fate seems sealed. I seek no repentance, no consideration or granting of authority to Biblical moral precepts (secular morality is superior but for expedience I defer to Matt Dillahunty to explain to you how and why in sensible non-magical terms). For the audacity of dismissing your God as a fictional character of your imagination as well as all the associated doctrine I'm doomed to suffer and burn in terrific agony forever. Your faith demands that not only is this eventual outcome true, it's also deserved. It bothers many so much that they plead that I should open my heart and find Jesus. They fear for my soul. All can be well if I become one of THEM. The IN crowd.
    Saps. Christians cry foul and say I'm bigoted to attack their religious beliefs. How is that exactly? Because I say you're stupid? If I think religious claims and precepts are ridiculous then I'm going to say you're stupid to believe that. It's not even an ad hominem attack. I'm not labeling you as a person, just your bad ideas. I have lots of Christian friends, normal, sane and rational by every measure except when it comes to their compartmentalized bubble of faith. Religious faith isn't virtuous, graceful or noble. It's a pacifier, a virus. You've been suckered. The idea doesn't merit respect...quite the opposite in fact.
    But I'm going to hell.
    Nah ...I don't think so. But thanks for the sentiment. Must feel good to have such terrible thoughts of others.
    Me calling you an idiot for it certainly balance the scales. Really?

    I'm not bound for hell. Ted fucking Bundy isn't in hell. He's gone...obliterated. Will his victims be served by divine justice? No. If you really wanted that then we should have kept the fucker alive to torture again and again and again. Instead we merely executed him. Ending his misery on the HOPE that he'd get his just desserts in the afterlife. Congrats...Bundy wins and gets off easy. Saps. Shit happens and life can be cruel. Deal with it. Crimes do go unpunished. It's harsh and it's unfair. But the answer lies in the efforts of good people to make this life, and not some imagined afterlife, better. Thankfully that's what most people on this planet do. People, not God, on average are kind, generous, charitable, helpful, empathetic, trustworthy and loving. Despite the barriers of exclusion religion erects our species has haltingly progressed toward harmony and prosperity, through the tangible efforts of theists and non-theists alike, not the intervention of some imagined deity. people, not God affect change in this reality. We now live(on average) longer, healthier, happier lives with a better standard of living than at any time in history's past. WE are our salvation to make this life worth something and the sooner everyone gets on board the better.

    December 20, 2013 at 8:19 pm |
    • RB

      Hey Steve,

      It is ok with me if you think I'm stupid for believing in God. I don't think you are stupid for not believing, you simply don't have a reason to believe.

      Secular humanism is ok, as far as it goes. I think part of its source is divine objective morality, but that is just my opinion. Peace.

      December 20, 2013 at 8:36 pm |
      • AtheistSteve

        That's rather gracious of you RB.

        But I'm still going to hell, right?
        The thing is the goto biblical line "Only the fool sayeth there is no God." means stupid is declared in equal measure by both sides. You do agree with the Bible don't you?
        Your side just adds the extra flavoring of horror hot sauce. Get that extra metaphysical proxy threat in there.
        The really weird part is why any of you bother. If God exists he's a big boy and doesn't need your help. Why aren't you resting assured of your destiny with Jesus and simply ignoring us "sinners". Follow your beliefs for yourself as you wish and not fight to deter others from who they may marry or how they handle their reproductive health? Why should your Christian values, of which not even the various sects can agree on, usurp or bind anyone who doesn't hold them? By who's authority if the authority being claimed is in dispute?

        December 20, 2013 at 9:18 pm |
        • RB

          It is really simple Steve. Imagine just for a moment if you can, there is a God and you know it. Would you keep it to yourself?

          December 20, 2013 at 9:39 pm |
        • sam

          RB, no one ever stops there. It's always 'god said' and 'god wants us to...or else'.

          Don't be disingenuous.

          December 20, 2013 at 9:46 pm |
        • RB

          On social issues most Christians are live and let live, believe it, or not. The reason Christians are against sin legislatively is for purely selfish reasons. Christians believe God judges the sin of individuals as well as nations. So, as a Christian if I vote to allow sin, I'm saying I'm for sin and God will not only judge me, but our whole country.

          December 20, 2013 at 9:51 pm |
        • RB

          Of course Sam, we are told to share the good news.

          December 20, 2013 at 9:54 pm |
        • sam

          Well...here's the problem.

          I keep hearing over and over how 'most christians aren't like this'. And then I keep running into them, over and over, online and in the media and in real life. Getting hard to believe that line.

          December 20, 2013 at 9:56 pm |
        • AtheistSteve

          RB
          If there was a God it would be obvious to all and we wouldn't be having these conversations with anyone. The mere fact that God is either unwilling or incapable of ensuring the salvation of the maximum number of souls demonstrates a cavalier attitude toward our fate. The problem of non-belief eliminates its credulity. If God is the God of the Bible then such a being isn't worthy of worship. Wrath, anger, jealousy are base human emotions inconsistent with a benevolent and loving god. Why would a perfect being be afflicted by these? Abrahams' deity is a monster...something that should be shunned.

          December 20, 2013 at 10:05 pm |
        • RB

          Ok Sam, maybe most was little strong. How about some?

          December 20, 2013 at 10:32 pm |
        • RB

          Steve,
          God does seem to use his creation to bring his message. Gods anger, wrath, & jealousy are his judgment. His judgment is terrible. His grace and mercy are good.

          December 20, 2013 at 10:42 pm |
        • RB

          Steve, how can justice be achieved without consequence to the offender?

          December 20, 2013 at 11:24 pm |
    • Barbi

      Steve, it takes more faith to be an atheist than to believe in God and Christ. I consider the vast amazing universe, our wonderful bodies, the design of the s3exes, the procreative process and desire for it, the fact that we have baby teeth and a 2nd set, our marvelous eyes that see color –and all the myriad of colors and earthly beauties to see. I think of our senses –and hearing and the ability to do music with all its mathematical qualities. I can't wrap my head around your concept that this all "just happened" without intelligent design behind it. I think about my brain and the typing ability and the communication we do –and the instant recall of memories and names and faces and facts –all up there in our mushy, slimy, worm-like BRAINS –the flesh.

      And the Bible says to us, "in the beginning was the Word –and the word was with God –and the WORD –the LOGOS –WAS God –and the WORD became flesh and dwelt among us......John 1.

      Jesus is a message from the Creator –and He conquered the grave –raising a friend who had been rotting 4 days in the tomb –one week before He would fulfill ancient prophecy and ride into Jerusalem as a king –5 days before He would be crucified on Passover –and become "the Lamb of God who takes away the sin of the world." He is the unblemished, unspotted, perfect lamb sacrifice. And 3 days later, "He is risen! He is Risen indeed!" It's the best news –SOMEONE finally conquered death. And why? to put us right with God and enable us to please a holy and just God –so that He would not look upon our sins but see Christ's blood covering them –washing us clean. "If we confess our sins He is faithful and just to forgive us our sins and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness."

      There are good people who strive not to sin and do much better than average in that regard –because of their faith in a Living God –whose name is "Immanuel" –meaning "God with us" –and He shall also be called Jesus –"because he shall save His people from their sins." That's why Christmas is MERRY!

      December 20, 2013 at 8:39 pm |
      • Wondering

        "it takes more faith to be an atheist than to believe in God and Christ" –fallacy of equivocation.

        December 20, 2013 at 8:43 pm |
      • AtheistSteve

        Sorry Barbi. I'm sure you're a sweet girl/lady.
        But you're a perfect example of what I just said. Spout bible nonsense if it makes you feel good(I have comic books that merit more attention) and demonstrate a monumental ignorance of science only weakens your plea.
        No sacrifice, no resurrection, no point in asking you to open your eyes.
        I was a Christian. I believed that junk. I grew up.

        December 20, 2013 at 9:30 pm |
      • sam

        Hey, whatever makes you happy. Now keep it in your own yard and let everyone else live their lives.

        December 20, 2013 at 9:47 pm |
  17. sybaris

    Duck Dynasty is FAKE

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KW343K1-upo

    December 20, 2013 at 8:18 pm |
    • David

      A reality show is fake...Stop the presses.

      December 20, 2013 at 8:24 pm |
    • JJ

      No shit. I'm sure they don't see the guys in their faces 24×7 with cameras and boom mics asking over and over for another take and "let's make it have more tension this time.". I just snicker at anyone who watches any these "reality" shows. Their IQ must be the same as the channel number.

      December 20, 2013 at 8:38 pm |
      • sam

        Money and fame and fake drama. The perfect trifecta!

        December 20, 2013 at 9:48 pm |
    • Petra

      Wow, I never knew just how phony these guys really are. The before and after pictures are stunning. What hypocrites!

      December 20, 2013 at 8:48 pm |
    • bowldsbrendonbboi7581

      Yeah, those pictures are really old, but I laughed so hard when I saw that

      December 20, 2013 at 8:55 pm |
  18. Maddy

    Chapter and verse where Jesus speaks about gays. Go.

    December 20, 2013 at 8:07 pm |
    • Observer

      Christians will ignore your challenge.

      December 20, 2013 at 8:09 pm |
      • Maddy

        Nobody had answered me yet.

        December 20, 2013 at 8:12 pm |
        • Tom, Tom, the Other One

          John13:34-35

          “A new command I give you: Love one another. As I have loved you, so you must love one another. By this everyone will know that you are my disciples, if you love one another.”

          December 20, 2013 at 8:18 pm |
        • Barbi

          Finally got this posted as a new comment–so hope i can repost for you, Maddy.

          Matthew 19:4-6

          New International Version (NIV)

          4 “Haven’t you read,” he replied, “that at the beginning the Creator ‘made them male and female,’[a] 5 and said, ‘For this reason a man will leave his father and mother and be united to his wife, and the two will become one flesh’[b]? 6 So they are no longer two, but one flesh. Therefore what God has joined together, let no one separate.”

          December 20, 2013 at 8:22 pm |
        • James

          Well that had nothing to do with what was asked.

          December 20, 2013 at 8:22 pm |
        • truthprevails1

          Barbi: That doesn't speak of gay being wrong.

          December 20, 2013 at 8:23 pm |
        • Paul

          Chapter and verse that says only the words of Jesus have matter. Go

          December 20, 2013 at 8:24 pm |
        • Maddy

          Again, that is talking about marriage and divorce, and not about gay people.

          December 20, 2013 at 8:27 pm |
        • lol??

          Jesus claims authorship of the scriptures, MORONS.

          December 20, 2013 at 8:45 pm |
        • sally

          @lol?? In other words, to be extra convincing, they said His Word is written by Him, so no questions and no argument! LOL – MORON. I imagine lol?? looks at every piece of junk email he gets thinking there are clues in them he needs to uncover.

          December 20, 2013 at 8:49 pm |
        • sam

          Maybe Barbi can find someone who can help her actually find something relevant. She's batting 0 so far. Jesus never said a word about it, so good luck.

          December 20, 2013 at 9:50 pm |
    • Gol

      He doesn't...so what's your point?

      December 20, 2013 at 8:11 pm |
      • Maddy

        That's exactly my point.

        December 20, 2013 at 8:14 pm |
        • Gol

          I don't believe he talked about r a p e either...does that mean he approved of it as well?

          December 20, 2013 at 8:16 pm |
        • James

          I often wonder about things like that. Why would god come to Earth to lay down the rules, and then only provide a haphazard, incomplete assortment of random rules that even his followers cannot agree on what he wanted them to do. A real god would be a heck of a lot clearer about things.

          December 20, 2013 at 8:19 pm |
        • Maddy

          You equate being gay with rape?

          December 20, 2013 at 8:21 pm |
        • Observer

          Jesus had much to say about heteros s3xual activities and MUCH of it was bad.

          About gays: ZERO. ZIP.

          December 20, 2013 at 8:21 pm |
        • Gol

          Maddy- "You equate being gay with r a p e?"

          You equate absence of comment as approval?

          December 20, 2013 at 9:18 pm |
      • sam

        Oh Gol, how defensive. And lame. Run along.

        December 20, 2013 at 9:51 pm |
    • James

      He does tell his people to not judge and do unto others as they would have the others do unto them, but Christians happily ignore that. He really was saying "tend your own soul, not others", but they convieniently ignore his direct instructions.

      December 20, 2013 at 8:17 pm |
    • Frank

      Jesus also didn't say anything about screwing horses either because it was a given that anyone committing bestiality would be put to death. Give me one verse where Jesus talks about bestiality.

      December 20, 2013 at 8:34 pm |
      • Observer

        So maybe Jesus didn't think bestiality was a big problem, either.

        He saw LOTS of problems with heteros and what they did in bed.

        December 20, 2013 at 8:40 pm |
      • Petra

        Another douche who equates animal rape with being gay.

        If you are going to pretend to follow Him, try a little harder. Fail.

        December 20, 2013 at 8:53 pm |
      • johnny

        Leviticus 18:23 "Neither shalt thou lie with any beast to DEFILE thyself therewith, neither shall any woman stand before a beast to lie down thereto, it is confusion"
        Leviticus 20:15-16 "And if a man lie with a beast, he shall surely be put to death...and if a woman approach unto any beast and lie down thereto, thou shalt kill the woman and the beast."
        Deuterotomy 27:21 "Cursed be he that lieth with any manner of beast"

        December 20, 2013 at 9:14 pm |
        • Observer

          Yep. NOTHING about gays there.

          December 20, 2013 at 9:44 pm |
  19. Observer

    NOBODY believes EVERY word of the Bible. They just pick and choose what they like and IGNORE the rest.

    That's why so many Christian HYPOCRITES can pick on gays while ignoring that there are FAR FAR MORE Christians who are engaging in ADULTERY through divorce and remarriage than there are total number of gays.

    It's all pick and choose HYPOCRISY for them.

    December 20, 2013 at 8:06 pm |
    • Gol

      No where is it implied that one has to be a literalist to be a Christian.

      December 20, 2013 at 8:12 pm |
      • Observer

        Gol,

        Yep. You don't believe EVERY word of the Bible and just PICK and CHOOSE.

        December 20, 2013 at 8:14 pm |
        • Gol

          You have a very simplistic way of looking at the world don't you? To understand anything, one studies the entire thing. One does not pick and choose and only a fool would imply that someone does that without evidence.

          December 20, 2013 at 8:18 pm |
    • JJ

      Every Christian interprets all verses that supports their prejudices and agenda and simply tosses those verses that they can not twist properly.

      December 20, 2013 at 8:15 pm |
      • Gol

        I think you just described humanity in general.

        December 20, 2013 at 9:19 pm |
    • fred

      Observer
      This behavior is common with everyone, you do it and I do it which has nothing to do with the truth.
      If there was no religion we would find things that we focus on because of some reason unique to ourselves.
      The gay issue just happens to be pushed by politics, media, religions etc. which is why it comes up so often. It is a big issue because if the Bible is wrong on this point it is possibly wrong on many points. To date no one has found a provable fault in the Bible and it remains the most accurate scientifically out of all the holy books. Ask you self why gays want to take down the Bible, why the media wants to take down the Bible, why liberals in the democratic party want to take down the Bible, why Stalin wanted to take down the Bible, etc. etc. and you will have your answer.

      December 20, 2013 at 10:15 pm |
      • David Alicea

        Let He Who Is Without Sin Cast The First Stone.

        December 20, 2013 at 10:19 pm |
      • David Alicea

        Jesus died on the cross for sin now, we have new covenant with god it call the New Testament or Covenant? And Christ Died for Our Sins blood of Jesus. It is the New Covenant.

        December 20, 2013 at 10:27 pm |
  20. Barbi

    Nothing I have said is worse than anything else here –it's just the Bible. Is that the problem? 1. Jesus said to leave parents and cleave to the wife –as Scripture says we are made male and female in the Image of God. 2. Paul said to the Romans that men with men and women with women –desiring the same gender–is a result of idolatry: worship of creature over Creator –and exchanging the Truth about God for a lie. The cited passage used by Phil has been translated variously –as the article above says –and says they are no longer doing those sins since coming to faith in Christ. Whether or not the male is under-age or the same age –there is no condoning it in Scripture –only classification as sin –along with a long list of other sins. If the Bible is right, we do well to ponder the possibility that it IS right –and so Phil Robertson has achieved His mission: America is talking about love for God (worship of Creator) and love for man. Love for :God means obeying His assignment for our genders.

    December 20, 2013 at 7:56 pm |
    • Bootyfunk

      the bible is not right. that book is full of stories of cruelty. lev 20.13 says g.ays are to be put to death. the bible also says non-virgin brides, disobedient children and anyone working the weekend are also to be executed.

      modern ethics > biblical morals

      December 20, 2013 at 7:58 pm |
      • Gol

        Your opinion < no one cares

        December 20, 2013 at 8:06 pm |
        • Observer

          Gol,

          So you couldn't supply any facts to dispute the statements. Try harder.

          December 20, 2013 at 8:11 pm |
        • Gol

          I will offer facts when you first offer some for what you posted. In case you didn't realize it...you gave no facts that modern ethics is superior to biblical morality. You offered up some cherry picked verses that you do not care for and made the leap to declare modern ethics as superior without any facts that modern ethics are superior or on what basis you make that claim.
          Try harder.

          December 20, 2013 at 8:15 pm |
        • Phelix Unger

          So why should anyone care about what your opinion is, Gall?

          December 20, 2013 at 8:18 pm |
        • Gol

          Don't know...but of course I don't write on these blogs because I am seeking approval.

          December 20, 2013 at 9:01 pm |
        • sam

          Uh...this isn't middle school. And no one cares about your opinion either.

          December 20, 2013 at 9:44 pm |
      • Barbi

        I'm not knowledgeable enough to make excuses for everything in the O.T. that seems incongruous with the mercy of God through Christ. I do know the human race was an awful mess back then when Our Maker is trying to school and preserve a group of people through whom the message of eternal redemption will be told. I wish there had been no need for atonement for sin with the blood of the Lamb. But I'm not God who made the Universe, the wonderful, beautiful earth, our wonderful bodies and brains and the DNA language in every cell of our body that belongs uniquely to us (and our twins if we had any.) I take it by faith that Jesus was crucified and raised from the dead –and that He did all the miracles attributed to Him. The New Testament reads like history. Read Acts 3 and 4 as John and Peter dare to go back to Jerusalem after Christ's death –and preach His resurrection –and get thrown in the slammer –after healing a man known to be lame from birth. Wow. St. Paul's conversion in Acts 9 is remarkable considering He never met Christ and was dedicated to putting down the supposed heresy of his divinity and resurrection by persecuting Christians. He becomes the Church's foremost missionary and writer. Phil Robertson's story is a miracle of conversion –and what a man He is! He didn't let money or PC police stop him –and the family and fans are with him!

        December 20, 2013 at 8:15 pm |
      • Frank

        Whether you think its right or not is NOT the issue. This is America where we have the right of freedom of religion. Too bad for you, huh?

        December 20, 2013 at 8:32 pm |
    • Tom, Tom, the Other One

      Your God has a gender, but apparently no sexual orientation. If we are made in God's image, where does that orientation come from? For that matter, where does the female gender come from? Is it part of God's image?

      December 20, 2013 at 8:03 pm |
      • JJ

        This female gender apparently came from a rib taken from Adam while he was in a deep sleep. Females are just an after thought. One would think that a god would have foreseen this.

        December 20, 2013 at 8:07 pm |
        • Tom, Tom, the Other One

          The female phenotype is actually the default in humans. AR-defective people look entirely female and are usually raised as females. It seems more likely that the rib came from eve and God added a Y chromosome. Kept the nipples as a joke on male-dominated religion.

          December 20, 2013 at 8:14 pm |
    • Blessed are the Cheesemakers

      I see no reason to conclude the bible is right. The moral concept that "sin" is all equal is just absurd and I don't think anyone who claims to believe that actually does.

      December 20, 2013 at 8:07 pm |
    • Maddy

      Chapter and verse where Jesus speaks about gays. Go.

      December 20, 2013 at 8:08 pm |
    • James

      Ah, but Jesus was wrong on a couple things too, wasn't he. The end times would come in the lifetime of some in his immediate audience, complete with God coming on the clouds for all the world to see? Didn't happen. Prayer works absolutely as asked, without fail, including having a mountain throw itself into the sea? Wrong again.

      Jesus was wrong on core issues, and gods cannot be wrong. Jesus could not have been a god.

      Sorry.

      December 20, 2013 at 8:14 pm |
    • truthprevails1

      Good thing the bible is not what your countries laws are based on or bigots like Robertson would never be exposed. He is entitled to believe as he wishes, he is entitled to his opinion but at the same time we are entitled to call him out for his bigotry. It is hard to understand how anyone residing in the 21st century remains so blind to the information we have that clearly shows that primitive mans writings is not reality...of course they didn't understand that being gay was natural, just like they didn't understand that the earth was spherical, there is little excuse for using the bible to justify denying others equal rights...the only excuse is will-full ignorance. Have your belief but have respect...if you truly believe your god is the one to make the final judgement then let your god sort out the problem and live your own life...you wouldn't want someone telling you who you can love, don't do it to another person and disguise it with belief.

      December 20, 2013 at 8:17 pm |
    • mikeVA

      http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=knl31_oliZ0#t=103

      Phil says that "They are full of murder, envy, strife, hatred. They are insolent, arrogant, god-haters. They are heartless. They are faithless. They are senseless. They are ruthless. They invent ways of doing evil."

      Phil Robertson sounds like a Rwandan warlord. No, we're not going to normalize this crazy talk from a culture in Louisiana that gave us Jim Crow, violence, oppression, and hate.

      December 21, 2013 at 3:41 am |
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