Does Phil Robertson get the Bible wrong?
Phil Robertson of A&E's "Duck Dynasty" has been suspended for his comments on homosexuality.
December 20th, 2013
11:23 AM ET

Does Phil Robertson get the Bible wrong?

By Daniel Burke, CNN Belief Blog Co-Editor
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(CNN) - The Robertson family of "Duck Dynasty" fame has rallied around its patriarch, saying his controversial comments on homosexuality are "grounded in the teachings of the Bible." But Scripture is fiercely contested ground, and some experts say Phil Robertson misinterprets a key Bible verse.

A&E, the network that broadcasts the hugely popular "Duck Dynasty" show, suspended Robertson for a now infamous interview with GQ magazine. In the article, Robertson, who became a born-again Christian in the 1970s after a prodigal youth, is asked to define "sin."

Here's what Robertson says: “Start with homosexual behavior and just morph out from there. Bestiality, sleeping around with this woman and that woman and that woman and those men."

Robertson, 67, then paraphrases a Bible passage from the New Testament: “Don’t be deceived. Neither the adulterers, the idolaters, the male prostitutes, the homosexual offenders, the greedy, the drunkards, the slanderers, the swindlers - they won’t inherit the kingdom of God.”

That's a pretty close citation of 1 Corinthians 6:9-10, which is a letter from Paul, often called the father of Christianity theology, to a fledgling Christian community in Corinth, Greece.

Here's what Paul's passage says, as rendered in the New International Version, by far the most popular translation among evangelicals and conservative Christians such as Robertson:

"Do not be deceived: Neither the sexually immoral nor idolaters nor adulterers nor men who have sex with men, nor thieves nor the greedy nor drunkards nor slanderers nor swindlers will inherit the kingdom of God."

Evangelicals, who make up about a quarter of the U.S. population, tend to take that passage at face value. The Robertson family pastor, for instance, told CNN on Thursday that "the verse explains itself."

Robertson himself is no religious neophyte. He's an elder in the White's Ferry Road Church of Christ and offers spiritual counseling, charity and Bible studies to many in his hometown of West Monroe, Louisiana, the family pastor, Mike Kellett told CNN.

The "Duck Dynasty" star also preaches around the country to conservatives that flock to hear his blend of woodsy, plainspoken Christianity.

Many conservatives backed Robertson's views on Scripture and homosexuality this week, if not the "crude" way he argued his point to GQ.

My Take: The Bible really does condemn homosexuality

But other Bible experts said the Scripture Robertson cited isn't quite clear about homosexuality.

"A lot of people misread this text because it's so complicated," said O. Wesley Allen Jr., an associate professor at Lexington Theological Seminary in Kentucky.

First, scholars say, we have to look at the context surrounding Paul's letter.

The Christian leader is trying to get the quarreling Corinthians to stop taking each other to civil courts and being judgmental. "The very fact that you have lawsuits among you means you have been completely defeated already," Paul says.

Things were supposed to be different after they became Christian believers, Paul continues; they were supposed to stop their sinful ways.

Then Paul lists some of their sins of the past, including greed, drinking too much, worshipping idols and sexual immorality. "That is what some of you were," Paul says. "But you were washed, you were sanctified, you were justified in the name of the Lord Jesus Christ and by the Spirit of our God."

The list of sins is likely based on rumors that Paul heard about Corinth, says Warren Throckmorton, a psychology professor at Grove City College in Pennsylvania who has studied the Bible's teachings on homosexuality. Bible scholars call it a "vice list," and it appears several times in Scripture.

So what does Paul's "vice list" say about homosexuality? That's the tricky part.

The first word Paul uses is "malakoi," which means "soft" in Greek, according to Allen. By analogy, the word came to mean "effeminate," which is how the King James Version of the Bible translates it.

"In the ancient world, it would refer to a boy in a relationship with an older man," Allen said. "It was pederasty, not homosexuality as we think of it today."

The other relevant word on Paul's "vice list" is "arsenokotai," which means "male sex." It refers to the other half in the man-boy relationship, common in Greece at the time, Allen said, the older male having sex with the "soft one."

"It isn't anything to do with what we would see today in an intimate, mutual relationship between gay adults," said Allen, who is co-authoring an upcoming book on homosexuality and heterosexuality in the church.

My Take: The Bible’s surprisingly mixed messages on sexuality

Even so, scholars such as Allen acknowledge there are no Bible passages that support same-sex relationships, and at least seven that appear to condemn gay sex.

"There's no way around the fact that those passages take a negative view of homosexuality, and nowhere in the Bible is a positive view offered," Allen said. "So conservatives and liberals continue to debate."

Liberals say that some parts of the Bible offered particular truths for a specific times and places but those times and places, as well as human understanding of sexuality, have progressed dramatically.

"The Bible may be divinely inspired, but its authors were human and saw, as St. Paul puts it, through a glass darkly," said Jim Naughton, a Christian gay rights activist and communications consultant. "On the subject of homosexuality, the Bible doesn’t mean what Phil Robertson thinks it means."

Conservatives such as Robertson, on the other hand, argue that the Bible is the bedrock of their faith, unchanging and unalterable. "We want you to know that first and foremost we are a family rooted in our faith in God and our belief that the Bible is His word," the Robertson family said Thursday.

For decades, the gulf between the two sides has divided denominations, churches and families. To paraphrase Lincoln, both sides read the same Bible and pray to the same God, and both invoke his aid to argue against each other. Which is why our contemporary debate over homosexuality is so fierce, and so seemingly unending.

- CNN Religion Editor

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  1. Baker

    Doesn't the bible say something about how it's easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle than a rich man to enter heaven?

    December 22, 2013 at 10:40 am |
  2. Abe

    If you like your religion, you can keep it. Period.

    December 22, 2013 at 10:37 am |
    • Opposing View

      And exactly who asked you?...

      December 22, 2013 at 11:14 am |
      • Attack of the 50 Foot Magic Underwear

        @ OV – I did. I gave my good buddy Abe a call this morning, said, "Hey, Abe? Could you do me a favour and post your opinion on the CNN Belief Blog comments section."

        Thanks Abe.

        December 22, 2013 at 11:15 am |
      • sam stone

        OV: Don't you have a 12 gauge you need to suck?

        December 22, 2013 at 11:18 am |
        • Attack of the 50 Foot Magic Underwear

          Actually, Sam, OV should be happy to oblige. After all, he's clearly going to go to Heaven, to be with his god. Why stick around on this sorry ball of sin we call the earth?

          December 22, 2013 at 11:25 am |
  3. djp

    Unfortunately the debate will go on becuase the debate is not understood. The debate is not really about what the bible says as the bible says what it does and it is not changing. The words were written long ago. Yes it is true some passages are more difficult to understand than others however the base themes and intent is clear. That said the debate is between people and what they want the bible to say. The adulterer wants it to say it is ok to be an adulterer, the drunkard wants it to say it is ok to be a drunkard etc.

    December 22, 2013 at 10:31 am |
    • Attack of the 50 Foot Magic Underwear

      The genocidal maniac says it's okay to commit genocide. The ra-pist says it's okay to commit ra-pe. The child abuser says it's okay to commit child abuse. The slave owner says it's okay to own slaves.

      Hang on – all of those are commanded in the bible.

      What a thoroughly nasty book.

      December 22, 2013 at 11:12 am |
      • djp

        It would be interesting to see the references as to where these items are "commanded" in the bible. I doubt any response will provide bible refernces for each of these.

        December 23, 2013 at 8:27 am |
  4. Dorothy

    I am tired of quotes from the Old Testament. Did Jesus come along and change things or not? Did he not preach to stop being judgmental? Did he not teach love? If you followed the "rules" in the Old Testament, you couldn't even be using a computer.

    December 22, 2013 at 10:28 am |
    • Attack of the 50 Foot Magic Underwear

      Matthew 5:18 – Jesus didn't come to change the law; he came to fulfil the law. that includes the law of the Old Testament.

      December 22, 2013 at 11:14 am |
    • DC954

      Corrinthians is the New Testament..

      December 22, 2013 at 11:25 am |
      • Attack of the 50 Foot Magic Underwear

        Is that the book where Ricardo Montalban talks about "fine Corinthian leather"?

        December 22, 2013 at 12:07 pm |
  5. Cesar V-C

    Freedom of Speech, but not Freedom from Consequences. The Bible gives you guidance, all with a matter of interpretation, and the many translations. I agree with the author. In addition, did Jesus Christ actually say that? Don't think so.

    December 22, 2013 at 10:25 am |
  6. Geo Bruno

    The whole history of these books [the Gospels] is so defective and doubtful that it seems vain to attempt minute enquiry into it: and such tricks have been played with their text, and with the texts of other books relating to them, that we have a right, from that cause, to entertain much doubt what parts of them are genuine. In the New Testament there is internal evidence that parts of it have proceeded from an extraordinary man; and that other parts are of the fabric of very inferior minds. It is as easy to separate those parts, as to pick out diamonds from dunghills.
    92. -Thomas Jefferson, letter to John Adams, January 24, 1814

    December 22, 2013 at 10:22 am |
  7. FTC

    Dear god,

    Please, let the rapture happen at this moment. Because then the rest of us can get down to business of advancing the species and living in a world where hatred, judgment, and delusional righteousness will be no more.

    In your name we pray..

    December 22, 2013 at 10:10 am |
    • Opposing View

      FTC… You'll get your desire soon enough (when you're in hell). And once in hell, try not to wish you weren't there…

      December 22, 2013 at 10:17 am |
      • Geo Bruno

        That sounds a tad judgey

        December 22, 2013 at 10:20 am |
      • FTC

        “Judge not, that you be not judged. 2 For with the judgment you pronounce you will be judged, and with the measure you use it will be measured to you. 3 Why do you see the speck that is in your brother's eye, but do not notice the log that is in your own eye? 4 Or how can you say to your brother, ‘Let me take the speck out of your eye,’ when there is the log in your own eye? 5 You hypocrite, first take the log out of your own eye, and then you will see clearly to take the speck out of your brother's eye."

        Matthew 7:1-5

        See you there OV!!! Hey, maybe we can share a cup of some fire and brimstone at Dante's Inferno's café?

        December 22, 2013 at 10:22 am |
        • Opposing View


          The Atheists Rule #2 – Whenever you have no answer or can't respond, change the topic or evade the issue. That is your second line of defense…

          Regarding your statement about judging, no where in the bible does it ever say a person can't judge. All it says is make sure your judgement is fair. Meaning, if I judge you fairly then God will judge me fairly. That is all that scripture means….

          As for your quote "Oh how can you say to your brother…" You are NOT my brother. Not by a long shot. Not unless you can prove to me you are saved. Otherwise, that scripture don't even apply to you…

          I also find it really ironic that atheists will attempt to quote from a book you don't even believe in, in an attempt to defend a point you DO believe in. That doesn't even make logical sense. If the book you're quoting from is not worthy of being believed (according to you), then how could you possible use that same book to justify anything you DO believe? That is the most ridiculous thing I've ever heard…

          But since you in the mode for quoting scriptures, here's a few you might want to try on for size…

          Exodus 20:7 – Thou shalt not take the name of the LORD thy God in vain; for the LORD will not hold him guiltless that taketh his name in vain (that is exactly what you did when you quoted that silly prayer – you used the Lord's name in vain)…

          2 Peter 2:12 – But these, as natural brute beasts, made to be taken and destroyed, speak evil of the things that they understand not; and shall utterly perish in their own corruption;

          Psalms 37:30 – The mouth of the righteous speaketh wisdom, and his tongue talketh of judgment. 32 The wicked watcheth the righteous, and seeketh to slay him…

          December 22, 2013 at 11:41 am |
        • Observer

          Opposing View,

          "I also find it really ironic that atheists will attempt to quote from a book you don't even believe in, in an attempt to defend a point you DO believe in. That doesn't even make logical sense. "

          Skip the HYPOCRISY. There's virtually ZERO chance that you believe and support EVERYTHING in the Bible that you quote..


          December 22, 2013 at 12:56 pm |
      • Matt

        Oy Vey, you Meshugana

        December 22, 2013 at 10:25 am |
      • sam stone

        OV is a mouthy, diseased gash with nothing to add

        OV......pull the crucifix out of your backside

        And replace it with a firearm

        December 22, 2013 at 11:21 am |
    • Damocles


      Ehhhh.... as long as there are humans, there's always going to be hate and judgement.


      Try another approach, the old burn, burn, burn thing is getting tiresome.

      December 22, 2013 at 10:22 am |
      • FTC

        I have to concede your point on that one Damocles.

        December 22, 2013 at 10:32 am |
  8. newz4i

    Bible Thumpers walk America into another cultural war ... during "Chist"mas season. Just amazing. "Holiday" Season is more appropriate. It opens a door which stops us from attacking each other in the name of someone's religion.

    December 22, 2013 at 10:06 am |
    • Opposing View

      And I can only wonder how many people will die this Christmas season and go straight to hell. It's never a bad time to talk about salvation...

      December 22, 2013 at 10:19 am |
      • igaftr

        0...zero, zilch, none.

        I wonder how many people will get to go to Valhalla this season....as long as they die in glorious battle, they should get in.

        December 22, 2013 at 10:40 am |
      • Damocles

        You need a new hobby, all this doom and gloom stuff is really weighing on you. I suggest building ships in bottles, or just sitting quietly in a field and watching the grass grow.

        December 22, 2013 at 10:40 am |
  9. Geo Bruno

    When do they mention the below?

    "It is easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle, than for a rich man to enter into the kingdom of God." (Matthew 19:24)

    (Lk 12:15) "Watch out! Be on your guard against all kinds of greed; a man's life does not consist in the abundance of his possessions."

    Matthew 6:19"Do not store up for yourselves treasures on earth, where moth and rust destroy, and where thieves break in and steal.

    "What good will it be for a man if he gains the whole world, yet forfeits his soul?"
    -Matthew 16:26

    Jesus answered, 'If you want to be perfect, go, sell your possessions and give to the poor, and you will have treasure in heaven. Then come, follow me.'"
    -Matthew 19:21

    December 22, 2013 at 10:05 am |
    • djp

      Did you have a point to make or just supplying a collection of bible verses?

      December 22, 2013 at 10:28 am |
      • Geo Bruno

        Its called biblical consistency or hypocrisy.

        Who appointed him to pick and choose which laws folks should follow

        December 22, 2013 at 10:38 am |
        • djp

          Which laws or rules is he picking not to follow? Where do you see hypocrisy?

          December 22, 2013 at 11:01 am |
  10. Why Evolution is True and Why Many People Still Don't Believe It

    ID is not science !!!


    December 22, 2013 at 9:48 am |
    • Opposing View

      And here's why only a fool would believe information on Youtube...

      (an excerpt from my post "Truth Cometh From God, And Not From the Devil. All The Devil Is Offering You Is Lies…)

      ...And that is the very colossal mistake a lot of people make – they'll grab ahold of and accept information from anywhere – from Google, from Youtube, from News Outlets, from Scientific Reports, etc – and will cling to that information all because it's exactly what they want to hear (and Lucifer is a master at telling people what they want to hear). But if the information is from the devil, it will lead your soul to hell. You have to make absolutely certain it is from God. And there is only one way to do that, and that's by getting it from a true source, from a true sent preacher, from someone who has been sent by God to tell you the truth. For God only works through his true sent preachers. He does not work through devils or sinners…

      Every day you'll see news commentators making statements about issues. They'll have invited guests making statements about issues. And people are lapping it up. But here's the problem with that. Those people you see are not saved. Those new commentators nor their invited guests, are not saved. They're not sent preachers, and nor do they represent God. In truth, they're working for Lucifer, and Lucifer is using them to deceive you. Lucifer controls the media, and long has. He controls it by controlling anyone who is not saved. The owners of those media organizations are not saved. Therefore, Lucifer controls the media organizations. It's that simple. He regulates what you see and what you hear. And he will only put in front of you those things which will deceive you and send your soul to hell. He will never ever put the real truth on the news. He never has and he never will. All he will ever broadcast is lies. Yet, there you are lapping it up. But unbeknownst to you, you are in his snare, and on your way to hell…

      December 22, 2013 at 10:22 am |
      • Damocles

        So I'm guessing a 'true sent preacher' is one whose view align correctly with yours? I mean, how else could you tell, right? With sooooo many preachers to choose from, how is one able to make an informed descision?

        December 22, 2013 at 10:30 am |
        • Damocles

          Meh, my apologies, I should have put an 's' on either view or align. Carry on.

          December 22, 2013 at 10:32 am |
      • Why Evolution is True and Why Many People Still Don't Believe It

        Published on Jun 9, 2012

        Jerry Coyne, a professor of Ecology and Evolution at the University of Chicago and author of the seminal book, Why Evolution is True, is one of the world's most eloquent defenders of evolutionary science in the face of legal, religious, and cultural opposition. In this talk, Coyne explored the evidence for evolution, why Americans are so resistant to accepting the theory, and what can be done to make the country more evolution-friendly.

        December 22, 2013 at 10:31 am |
        • Opposing View

          Why Evolution is True… Your response does not in any way defeat the comments I made. Perhaps you should read my comments more carefully. Therefore, your response is irrelevant…

          The very people with advance degrees and PhDs are the very people Lucifer targets and uses to deceive people...

          December 22, 2013 at 12:17 pm |
        • igaftr

          Why do you keep violating one of your gods top 10 no-nos over and over again to try to justify your own belief?
          why don't you even attempt to practice what you preach?

          December 22, 2013 at 12:39 pm |
      • igaftr

        "People will look at a man created book, and will cling to that information all because it's exactly what they want to hear."
        It will have standard brainwashing info, that is self affirming. It will tell them of a character "satan" and they will believe he exists and then project their fear of hm onto everyone who doesn't buy into the propoganda. Then, even though their book tells them to mind themselves, not judge others, and love your fellow man, they will completely disregard these things and spew their hatred of anything that disagrees with thier book

        There are none so blind as those that think a book makes them see.

        December 22, 2013 at 10:37 am |
        • Opposing View

          Igaftr… Trying to imitate truth, does not make you have truth. All you have are lies. And there were lies from the beginning…

          December 22, 2013 at 12:19 pm |
        • igaftr

          The lies are in your book.
          Your book says there was a global flood... Many sciences disprove that.There has never been a global flood.
          Your book says you can test a wife's fideltiy by having her drink "holy" water mixed with dust....clearly false
          Your book says you can create striped goats by having the mating pair stare at striped objects...clearly false.
          Your book says that a guy was swallowed by a giant fish or whale and lived for three days...impossible.
          On and on...

          Your book is lies.

          December 22, 2013 at 12:37 pm |
      • HotAirAce

        Poor OV, a victim of a world-wide, non-denominational conspiracy to prop up evolution, despite his extremely well articulated (in his own mind) rebuttal, not worthy of being published in any reputable scientific journal, but I'm sure that's just part of the conspiracy.

        If I was a conspiracy theorist, and I'm not, I'd suggest there's a world-wide, multi-denominational conspiracy to maintain religious beliefs. It's as if the chief shamans all got together and agreed on ways and means to keep the charade going, much like crime bosses got together in the past and some businesses collude to control markets. Hmmm. . . maybe there is a religious cult conspiracy. . .

        December 22, 2013 at 12:49 pm |
  11. Sonny

    Why anyone would take biblical advice from a liberal is beyond comical.

    December 22, 2013 at 9:36 am |
    • Attack of the 50 Foot Magic Underwear

      Mother: Why anyone would take biblical advice from ANYONE is beyond comical. Gee, little Jimmy is really talking back and being disobedient. What should we do about it??

      Father: Hmmm, well, in the Bible, it commands us to take him to the edge of the village and stone him to death.

      Mother: Hey, Jimmy, guess what? We're going for a walk!

      Jimmy: Oh, crap! Have you two wingnuts been reading that bible again?

      December 22, 2013 at 9:51 am |
      • moment of faith

        What if your son stayed drunk and strung out on drugs and beat you everyday? What if your son kills you? Should he be put to death?

        December 22, 2013 at 10:07 am |
        • Attack of the 50 Foot Magic Underwear

          If my son was drunk or on drugs I would try to get him into treatment, but I wouldn't kill him. if he killed me I certainly wouldn't expect that he should be put to death. Punishment, jail, rehabilitation, treatment – yes. Death – no.

          December 22, 2013 at 11:29 am |
      • Counterww

        Hyperbole is what your post should defined as. God does not tell us to stone people. That was for a defined specific time and was situational. Jesus said to turn the other cheek.. As for the others, it's the love of money and coveting it that is sinful. Not being rich.

        December 22, 2013 at 10:12 am |
        • Science Works

          Counterww not in US but – has to change !

          Anatomy of an ‘honour’ killing: Why a Palestinian community demanded a father murder his divorced daughter

          Graphic: Anatomy of a Stoning in Iran


          December 22, 2013 at 10:26 am |
      • Erasmus

        Seems the article was quite clear on its qouting from the "NEW" testament, so can you give a "NEW" testament quote in justifying your sarcasm in regards to disiplining ones child.

        December 22, 2013 at 10:14 am |
        • Attack of the 50 Foot Magic Underwear

          Matthew 5:18: "For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one ti-ttle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled."

          That would be attributed to Jesus saying that the law – which includes the Old Testament – has not changed.

          You're welcome.

          December 22, 2013 at 11:19 am |
    • Bullspit

      Oh look, another Christian that doesn't follow any of Jesus' tenants. On a 'lib' website, pointing fingers, casting stones, being judgemental, can't turn the other cheek, can't love his neighbor. You're a perfect example of why people are fleeing away from your hypocritical, laughable religion. Please Jesus, come and take these hateful people away soon!

      December 22, 2013 at 9:54 am |
  12. Insane1

    This is my favorite subject....religion vs science. I have a logical way of seeing they work together and BOTH are right. You take nothing away from God and evolution science at all, but they blend together for those that have wisdom. I invite all to join a forum at http://www.miscservice.com and lets chat more on it. Sign up is easy and no personal info needed.

    December 22, 2013 at 9:32 am |
    • Cpt. Obvious

      I think you're giving religion the credit you should give yourself. There are religions that are compatible with science, but christianity isn't one. There are plenty of verses that contradict facts realized through scientific testing and careful measurement. You have to "interpret" them and twist their meaning to line up with the science.

      December 22, 2013 at 10:54 am |
      • Insane1

        Christianity and science are more relative than you might think. You must be wise enough to see it and the truth lies in the middle of what we all think. It is not a matter of twisting scripture but rather understanding what was really happening then and fitting the pieces together. What I see brings science and religion to the same playing field and equal. It also brings most religions together. It ends the fight between them all. If everyone was wise enough to see the facts that have been there all along and understand them, the world would be much different. The very concept frightens most people and they close their minds to it. I for one am a very logical and science oriented person, but yet I know the facts to believe in God also. The whole mistake for everyone is thinking it is only one way or the other with no exceptions. I will be happy to share with anyone the idea. I don't care who believes what or even if I make an influence on anyone. Join the forums at MISCSERVICE.COM and we will chat open about any ideas or opinions.

        December 22, 2013 at 3:33 pm |
  13. Shadrach

    As a one time resident of Lexington, I can tell you that the seminary there is small and VERY liberal. It's no surprise that a professor there would take such a leftist view. Secondly, even for LTS, he had to work VERY hard to contort that verse into the dubious translation he provided. Is he using Greek or American culture to make the translation? Maybe he can now explain what that whole 'itching ears' verse means.

    December 22, 2013 at 9:27 am |
  14. RegularJoe

    The author should read Leviticus 18. That should clear it up for him. And leave the preaching to preachers.

    December 22, 2013 at 9:25 am |
    • gawhite

      Maybe you should understand the Bible before you attempt to give advice.

      Leviticus is in the old testament and would have been written when the Mosaic Covenant was in effect. Jesus came to bring a new covenant, which he did. No longer does it matter about your works but simply your acceptance of Jesus as God's son and lord of one's life.

      December 22, 2013 at 10:33 am |
      • Greg

        Can you give me a verse that backs you up? I know John 14:15 Jesus said we had to keep his commands.

        December 22, 2013 at 10:45 am |
      • igaftr

        Jesus never took anything away, he only added on. In several spots, Jesus claims that the OT is still gods word and is still valid.....not sure how any children would survive if they followed the rules, since ALL children get unruly, and the OT tells you that you need to go to the city guards and stone your unruly children.

        December 22, 2013 at 10:50 am |
  15. bob

    "Did CNN lead into another article with a left leaning slant?" Yes.
    Phil got it right. However, it wasnt a hard test question. It is VERY plain and clear.
    Anyone can attempt to twist words to make it fit their agenda. Nice try libs.

    December 22, 2013 at 9:23 am |
    • Bullspit

      And yet here you are: trying to stand above the 'libs' on your incredibly small soapbox, wasting your time on a 'lib' website. Again: you're a f'n idiot. Period. No party position needed.

      December 22, 2013 at 9:34 am |
  16. peter225

    Did he get the Bible wrong? Well, if he's assuming it's anything other than ancient mythology then yes he got it wrong. The Bible puts the age of the Earth at 6000 years, when it's actually 4.5 billion years old. If you're assuming the mistake was made by God, rather than humans who wrote that mythology over 2000 years ago, you've got it wrong.

    December 22, 2013 at 9:23 am |
    • JustAScientist

      Well, the Bible actually estimates closer to 10,000 years old. But here's a question for you.

      Start with an assumption, as all logical questions must. In this case, the assumption is that God created the world. Whether or not you believe that, that's where we going to start. So, start with that assumption.

      So, now we're saying God created the world. When you picture the Garden of Eden as described in the Bible, do you picture dirt with seedlings? Or is the next assumption that when it says God created trees, that he created them big and that he created them with age. If he created the laws of the universe, wouldn't anything he created hold to those laws? So, if you were to have cut down a tree in the Garden, it would have had rings, right? It would have had the appearance of age. So, the same assumption would hold for the world as a whole. If God created the world and God created the laws of the universe and he follows the laws that he set up, then he would have created a world with age. And if God can create the world, it's not outside the realm of possibility that he would be able to do that.

      So, this depends on your starting point. You start with, "There is no God". Christians start with, "There is an omnipotent (all-powerful) God". And you can disagree on the starting point, but to say that Christians are dumb because they come to the conclusion they come to is disingenuous and shows an intolerance on your part.

      December 22, 2013 at 9:43 am |
      • Attack of the 50 Foot Magic Underwear

        "Start with an as-sumption".

        I as-sume that the Flying Spaghetti Monster is omniscient and omnipotent and eternal and created everything. Therefore, you cannot and should not call me dumb when I say that the Heaven created by the FSM has stri-pper factories and beer volcanoes.

        December 22, 2013 at 9:56 am |
        • Counterww

          I assume that you're an elitist *erk too from your statements. Your statements are taken from the atheists handbook on posting in forums

          December 22, 2013 at 10:15 am |
        • Attack of the 50 Foot Magic Underwear

          Wow! Calling someone an elitist! You were, no doubt, the captain of the debating team at public school. Well done.

          December 22, 2013 at 11:22 am |
        • djasp

          you know what, this guy answered with a very respectful approach with some logic. she people approach a subject to talk about god, then laugh and ridicule notions involved with god, its crazy. if you propose a question then you need to discuss it with the language, and thats all the guy is doing..

          December 22, 2013 at 2:13 pm |
        • Mandy

          Just one question; Did the Flying Spagetti Monster die for you on a cross?

          January 3, 2014 at 5:25 pm |
      • aginghippy

        I hope you didn't hurt your brain with all of that convoluted logic. Do you have a tidy little rationalization for the talking snake in the garden, with the subsequent misogynistic blaming of the silly woman for all human suffering?

        December 22, 2013 at 10:17 am |
      • HotAirAce

        Ok, you/they have started with an assumption – very nice. Now where is the evidence to support the assumption or better yet, prove that it is correct? A true scientist would submit their assumptions and hypotheses to the scientific method. Have you seen an article, published in a reputable scientific journal, successfully concluding with "some god did it."?

        December 22, 2013 at 1:10 pm |
    • Greg

      I guess you limit Gods ability by suggesting he can't create a universe at what ever age he pleases? If you believe in God trivial things like the age of the Earth or universe matter little. Did you know that gravity was described in the Old Testament 100's of years before science figured it out? The currents under the oceans and the movement of galaxies were all described accurately in Job. Pretty neat stuff. We don't believe a fairy tale, we believe the most logical solution that is backed by history. The rise and fall of the Roman Empire was predicted 600 years before it happened while Babylon was still in power.

      December 22, 2013 at 9:46 am |
    • Opposing View

      peter225… Your ignorance is indeed showing. Your statement that the earth is some 4.5 billion years old is nothing more than a theory. Where are your witnesses? Whom do you know, alive or dead, ever witnessed such an event? Answer: You have no witnesses. Nada. All you have are theories…

      In contrast, we who are saved know precisely how old the earth is, and that is no mystery. The earth is roughly 6,000 years old since God created it. And how do we know that? Answer: We know it because we have an eye witness to the creation of the earth, and that person fully knows when the earth was created. His name: Jesus Christ. There are many scriptures I could get to support this, but the following is a good one…

      Job 38:1 – Then the LORD (Jesus) answered Job out of the whirlwind, and said, 4 Where wast thou when I laid the foundations of the earth? declare, if thou has understanding…

      Ephesians 4:5 then states there is only one Lord (Jesus), one Faith (the Apostle's Doctrine) and one Baptism (the Baptism in Jesus Name). Therefore, that same Lord and Christ who died on the cross, is that same LORD who created the earth.
      So Jesus fully knows how old the earth is. He was an eyewitness of the event. So whom do you believe? A real live person who had lived on earth and a direct eyewitness to the creation of the earth – or a group of ungodly scientists sitting in their laboratories, and all they have are theories. It is also important to note that the scriptures state, "It is impossible for God to lie." So you might want to keep that in mind, as well. If you believe the scientists, then you're a fool…

      December 22, 2013 at 10:58 am |
      • Cpt. Obvious

        Lol. You say you have a witness when in reality all you have is a book. And by the way, a scientific "theory" is a collection of facts assembled into the most coherent picture that can be produced with those known facts. If you'd like to get a couple degrees in geology and chemistry, and you could prove that the facts fit BETTER with a young earth, then feel free. You'll be one of the most famous people on earth, get billions of dollars in grants, and collect the Nobel and other prizes along the way.

        December 22, 2013 at 11:11 am |
        • Opposing View

          Capt Obvious… Just like an atheist. You atheists would lie about anything. Jesus Christ was not a book. He was a real person who walked upon this earth. So you have no argument...

          December 22, 2013 at 12:25 pm |
        • HotAirAce

          OV, so some desert dwelling dude names jesus walked the earth once upon a time, no problem. Where's the physical, independent, objective, verifiable, factual evidence to prove he was anything other than a delusional rabble rouser?

          December 22, 2013 at 12:30 pm |
  17. veep

    Did y'all miss his comments on black people?

    it had nothing to do with the bible and it was MIND-NUMBINGLY STUPID.

    It is only a BAD reflection of his attempt at religion.

    December 22, 2013 at 9:21 am |
    • bob

      apparently you missed his comments. he said nothing inflammatory. Except of course for those that are so insecure in their position as to be offended at everything.

      December 22, 2013 at 9:24 am |
      • Bullspit

        Yeah, saying they were happier and better off before they had civil rights is non-offensive. Also this gem: "I’m with the blacks, because we’re white trash."

        You're a f'n idiot. Period.

        December 22, 2013 at 9:33 am |
  18. S J Bailey

    Phil Robertson stated his religious beliefs and I agree, Taking our beliefs a step further, gays are not the only people who will not make it into heaven. There are many people who claim to be christian that will not meet our Savior. If the Holy Bible is all lies, does not apply to us today, then why has it been the top best seller for a number of years.Maybe you should not use U.S. currency as it to has "In God we trust."
    Every minister that preaches on TV is stating his beliefs based on the bible, cannot believe they are still on TV for their beliefs.
    Who at A&E is gay and wants Duck Commander (Dynasty) removed from TV. A&E supposedly gets proceeds from sale of everything Duck Dynasty merchandise but the Robertson's profit from Duck Commander merchandise.

    December 22, 2013 at 9:18 am |
    • veep

      His stupid venting wasn't just at Biblical Gays...

      His comments on Black people were even more ignorant and ANTI-Christian.

      Jesus is crying at what you call Christianity.

      December 22, 2013 at 9:22 am |
      • bob

        LOL. paranoid silly people attempting to draw attention to `their plight`. the true racists today are those in the lib and black community that have the racial equivalent of Munchausen Syndrome. You attempt to make everything out to be racist in an attempt to garner sympathy. not only is it pathetic. but honestly, it perpetuates racism. you create your own problem.

        December 22, 2013 at 9:29 am |
        • Bullspit

          Isn't Bob amusing? Another hate-filled person who trolls 'lib' websites, but justifies his hatred and bigotry with his personal belief in 'God' and 'Jesus'. Another great, shining example of the hypocrisy of Chrstianity. There is nothing Jesus-like about you, Bob. Nothing. Check yourself. You are one nasty bigot.

          December 22, 2013 at 9:58 am |
    • peter225

      If there was a hell I think you would be there for your bigoted beliefs.

      December 22, 2013 at 9:24 am |
    • Realist


      Christianity is built upon a LIE ...

      ................ because ....................

      ..... http://www.GodIsImaginary.com ...

      ... and thank goodness because he ...

      ............. emanates from the .............

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      December 22, 2013 at 9:30 am |
  19. Geo Bruno

    When does Phil mention the good book says way more bad stuff about the rich and amassing wealth?

    December 22, 2013 at 9:17 am |
    • Sonny

      The Bible doesn't say wealth is a sin...it says greediness and not helping others is a sin. You dont know how much He contributes to charity.

      December 22, 2013 at 9:26 am |
      • Phil

        "It is easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle than for a rich man to enter the kingdom of God.”

        December 22, 2013 at 9:43 am |
        • Greg

          The next verse say s with God, all things are possible. People seem to stop short of that one for some reason. Also in 1 Tim Paul admonishes the rich to not be high minded, he does not encourage them to give their wealth away.

          December 22, 2013 at 9:51 am |
        • Geo Bruno


          But the bible does say much more bad stuff about the rich and amassing wealth than anything about the gays


          Luke 16:19-25. "Now there was a certain rich man, and he habitually dressed in purple and fine linen, gaily living in splendor every day. And a certain poor man named Lazarus was laid at his gate, covered with sores, and longing to be fed with the crumbs which fell from the rich man's table; besides, even the dogs would come and lick his sores.
          Now it came about that the poor man died and he was carried away by the angels to Abraham's bosom; and the rich man also died and was buried. And in Hades, being in torment, he lifted up his eyes, and saw Abraham far away, and Lazarus in his bosom.
          And he cried out and said, 'Father Abraham, have mercy on me, and send Lazarus, that he may dip the tip of his finger in water and cool off my tongue; for I am in agony in this flame.'
          But Abraham said, 'Child, remember that during your life you received your good things, and likewise Lazarus bad things; but now he is being comforted here, and you are in agony...'"

          December 22, 2013 at 10:03 am |
        • Opposing View

          Geo… Although it is true that a rich man will not enter into the kingdom of heaven, you also have to understand what being "rich" means. It's not just talking about physical wealth or people who own houses and land. But anything could be your riches – the way you look, what you think about yourself, your long hair, those could be your riches. The love of your children, your love for your wife, your job or your career – there are countless things that could be your riches. In fact, "anything" that you hold above and value more than you value God, then that is your riches. And God will destroy those things and you along with it, if that is how you have it in your mind. The only way to be saved is must give up those riches by giving it up in your mind. Meaning, you could actually own millions of dollars in the bank, but if those millions didn't mean anything to you, and if you were willing to give it all away and to count it as nothing, then in God's eyesight, it would be the same as if you didn't even have it. And that is how you must be, you must give it up in your heart. You cannot fool God. God knows if you are still clinging to it and are still in love with it. And if you are still in love with it, then those riches can send you to hell. That is the definition of being rich.

          In contrast, being gay is a condition of your flesh, like fornication or adultery. No gays will make it into heaven. If you are already gay, then you must give up being gay and live your life as a heteros-e-xual and like God created you. If you need help in doing that, then God can help you and you can still be saved. But if you are unwilling to do it, then you will end up in hell…

          December 22, 2013 at 12:44 pm |
        • Cpt. Obvious

          OV, I find your god to be absolutely disgusting in that he chooses to use hell rather than destroy it. He's the ultimate terrorist/ mafia boss. Do what I say, or I'll break your legs-–only your god is far more disgusting than any human could ever be in that humans cannot cause eternal torture, but your god can and does. What a disgusting creep.

          December 22, 2013 at 12:48 pm |
        • Observer

          Opposing View,

          Skip all the HYPOCRISY. If you REALLY cared what the Bible says, you'd be picking on all the Christians who are ADULTERERS because of divorce and remarriage.

          There are FAR FAR MORE of them than there are total gays. Guess you don't care about this MUCH GREATER problem or you'd be trying to help them now instead of ignorantly picking on gays..

          December 22, 2013 at 12:49 pm |
        • HotAirAce

          Not to mention reducing the 700,000+ murders (by OV's cult's definition) per year arranged for by believers.

          December 22, 2013 at 12:53 pm |
  20. Brother keith


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