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December 24th, 2013
06:00 AM ET

CNN Poll: Pope's approval rating sky-high

By Daniel Burke, CNN Belief Blog Co-Editor
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(CNN) - As Pope Francis prepares to celebrate his first Christmas at the Vatican, Americans' opinions of the pontiff appear to be as high as the dome on St. Peter's Basilica, according to a new survey.

A CNN/ORC International poll released Tuesday found that 88% of American Catholics approve of how Francis is handling his role as head of the 1.2 billion-member church.

The popular pontiff has also made a positive impression among Americans in general: Nearly three in four view Francis favorably.  The new survey suggests that the Pope is arguably the most well-regarded religious figure among the American public today, said CNN Polling Director Keating Holland.

Nine months into his papacy, the Argentine-born Francis has captured attention with crowd-pleasing acts of compassion, from embracing a severely disfigured man, to washing the feet of juvenile delinquents, to hosting homeless men at his birthday Mass this month.

The Pope has also shown a common touch rare for such a lofty religious leader. He has eschewed the trappings of the papacy in favor of humbler digs, simpler vestments and a cheaper car. He worked as a bar bouncer and a janitor before he was a priest, and is not shy about telling people.

Pope: I was once a bar bouncer

According to one study, Pope Francis was the most talked about person on the Internet this year, and even atheists have professed appreciation for the 77-year-old pontiff.

The breadth of Francis' popularity was on display at American newsstands this month: he was named person of the year by both Time magazine and The Advocate, a gay and lesbian publication.

"While 2013 will be remembered for the work of hundreds in advancing marriage equality, it will also be remembered for the example of one man," The Advocate said. In remarks that rippled across the globe, Pope Francis said in July, "If someone is gay and he searches for the Lord and has good will, who am I to judge?

Pope Francis on gays: 'Who am I to judge?'

While the Pope has not changed church doctrine, he has urged Catholics to shift their focus from culture war issues to caring for people on society's margins, especially the poor.

"I see the church as a field hospital after battle," Francis said in September.

American Catholics appear to like the new course the Pope has set for their church. Nearly two-thirds agree with him about the amount of attention that should be paid to issues such as abortion and homosexuality, according to the CNN/ORC poll.

More than 85% of American Catholics say Francis is neither too liberal nor too conservative, and 86% say he's in touch with the modern world. By comparison, more than half of American Catholics said Pope John Paul II was out of step with the times in 2003, near the end of his 26-year-long papacy.

But Francis has been a fierce critic of the status quo, especially what calls the "idolatry of money" present in modern-day capitalism. In a papal statement last month, for example, the Pope blasted the theory of trickle-down economics, calling it "crude and naïve."

Conservative critics such as Rush Limbaugh pounced on the Pope's remarks, calling him a closet Marxist. But nearly two in three American Catholics agree with the Pope about capitalism and the free market's effects on the poor, according to the CNN/ORC poll.

Pope: Marxist ideology is 'wrong'

On other key issues for Catholics - the role of women in the church and the sexual abuse crises - Francis gets similarly high ratings from his American flock.

More than six in 10 American Catholics agree with Francis' comments about women in the church, according to the CNN/ORC poll. The Pope has said that women should have a larger role in church governance but cannot be ordained as priests.

Similarly, more than six in 10 American Catholics say Francis is doing a good job handling fallout from the church's sexual abuse scandal, even as most (64%) also say the church overall has done a poor job on the issue.

This month, the Vatican announced the creation of a new commission to care for victims of clergy sexual abuse and to prevent future crimes.

American Catholics had given especially low marks on the sexual abuse scandal to Francis' predecessor, Pope Benedict XVI, with just 36% saying in 2010 that he had handled the issue well.

CNN's Holland said it's difficult to ascertain exactly how Francis' popularity stacks up against his predecessors, however. "It's a tough question since polling on Popes is pretty sparse," he said.

What's more, like political polling, approval ratings shift depending on the public mood and perception of a Pope's performance.

For example, three-quarters of American Catholics approved of how John Paul was leading the church in 1994; that number rose to 84% in 1999 and dipped to 64% in 2003, at the height of the church's sexual abuse crisis.

It remains to be seen how long the honeymoon will last for Francis, and how long he can continue to build goodwill among American Catholics.

The poll was conducted for CNN by ORC International on December 16 through Thursday, with 1,035 adults nationwide, including 191 Catholics, questioned by telephone. The survey's overall sampling error is plus or minus three percentage points.

Pope Francis' greatest hits of 2013

- CNN Religion Editor

Filed under: Catholic Church • Christianity • Culture wars • Leaders • Pope Benedict XVI • Pope Francis • Pope John Paul II • Sex abuse • Vatican

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  1. Jesus' Beloved

    For it is the Living Word within us that is enlightened by the Holy Spirit that brings together a marriage of our soul and spirit.

    Anyone who listens to the word but does not do what it says is like a man who looks at his face in a mirror and after looking at himself, goes away and immediately forgets what he looks like.

    The person who is in Christ beholds not his face in the mirror but that of the one who dwells in Him.

    December 28, 2013 at 2:20 pm |
  2. Jesus' Beloved

    The Glory in stones supersede by the Glory of The Spirit.
    2Cor 3:6-8... for the letter killeth, but the spirit giveth life. But if the ministration of death, written and engraven in stones, was glorious.... which glory was to be done away. How shall not the ministration of the spirit be rather glorious?

    December 28, 2013 at 2:15 pm |
    • Austin

      hey ! my buddies lungs cleard up 75% over night! Praise the Lord!

      December 28, 2013 at 2:16 pm |
      • Jiminy Cricket

        You're welcome! Praise Mirfak!

        http://earthsky.org/brightest-stars/mirfak-perseus-brightest-star

        December 28, 2013 at 2:23 pm |
      • Jesus' Beloved

        Glory be to God, Jehovah Rapha!
        He's healed.

        Thanks for the update.

        December 28, 2013 at 2:23 pm |
      • doobzz

        Thank science for another victory!

        Yeah, bitches! Science!

        December 28, 2013 at 2:38 pm |
        • Austin

          thank you science, and thank God for His knowledge and wisdom.

          December 28, 2013 at 3:12 pm |
  3. Austin: look what i caught Bob doing

    20Nevertheless, I have this against you: You tolerate that woman Jezebel, who calls herself a prophet. By her teaching she misleads my servants into se.xual immorality and the eating of food sacrificed to idols. 21I have given her time to repent of her immorality, but she is unwilling. 22So I will cast her on a bed of suffering, and I will make those who commit adultery with her suffer intensely, unless they repent of her ways. 23I will strike her children dead. Then all the churches will know that I am he who searches hearts and minds, and I will repay each of you according to your deeds.

    24Now I say to the rest of you in Thyatira, to you who do not hold to her teaching and have not learned Satan’s so-called deep secrets, ‘I will not impose any other burden on you, 25except to hold on to what you have until I come.’

    December 28, 2013 at 2:09 pm |
    • Austin: look what i caught Bob doing

      Revelation 2:23 And I will kill her children with death; and all the churches shall know that I am he which searcheth the reins and hearts: and I will give unto every one of you according to your works.

      Bob, you have manifested the very nature of you entire schpeel. That you will grab a verse out of context about the spirit of Jezebel, who was so evil and satanic that Elijah was running from her, and you wil throw it in peoples face as a trick against a Holy God.

      You are in serious danger Bob. You cant one safe step to the left or the right, you are propbably invoking pre mature judgment upon you life.

      December 28, 2013 at 2:13 pm |
      • Austin

        You have rejected your sanctification and Godly calling. You are at war with God, the great I AM.

        December 28, 2013 at 2:14 pm |
        • doobzz

          great I AM.

          I thought that was Popeye.

          December 28, 2013 at 2:36 pm |
        • sam stone

          your god is an impotent little punk,austin

          December 28, 2013 at 2:37 pm |
  4. Austin

    the pope is needed in the middle east, he needs to take the Word of God boldly to the middle east and proclaim the correct version of the tri-une god that is NOT poly theistic.

    This Prince of Peace is the gift from God to the whole world.
    King James Bible Rwev 19:13
    And he was clothed with a vesture dipped in blood: and his name is called The Word of God.

    December 28, 2013 at 1:56 pm |
    • sam stone

      Oooh, the "correct" version.

      Thanks for informing us, you delusional twit

      December 28, 2013 at 2:08 pm |
    • Jester

      You'd like that, wouldn't you Austin? Maybe get the Pope killed. Then who would you bash?

      December 28, 2013 at 2:15 pm |
      • Austin

        no seriously, a true man of God has to be bold. I would give my life to insist upon the gospel. We all face the prophecy of the mark of the beast, where cowards will take the mark. And if anyone cares about the world, they will accept the will of God and Savior of ALL the world.

        The entire New Covenant, is the also the promise of the Holy Spirit, and I charge any man of God with the responsibility to rebut the lie that trips the Muslims up on their understanding of who Jesus is as God, fully God and one with the Father.

        Every muslim is at war with "polytheism" a false premise. Today is the day of the Harvest and Salvation. We do not have time to cower and compromise with the devils lies.

        December 28, 2013 at 2:23 pm |
  5. palintwit

    "Steve Schmidt, the political adviser who suggested that John McCain choose a fresh new face from Alaska as his running mate, now says he has “deep regret” for his role in helping to bring on the “freak show that’s been running wild for four years” in American politics."

    December 28, 2013 at 1:45 pm |
  6. palintwit

    Q: How can you tell when Sarah Palin gets her holidays mixed up?
    A: She decorates her buttplugs to look like Easter eggs.

    December 28, 2013 at 1:26 pm |
  7. Bob

    Austin, you ignorant tool, some of my quotes are from your foul new testament, and note my comment on the old one. Since you skipped over that, read it this time:

    Numbers 31:17-18
    17 Now kiII all the boys. And kiII every woman who has slept with a man,
    18 but save for yourselves every girl who has never slept with a man.

    Deuteronomy 13:6 – “If your brother, your mother’s son or your son or daughter, or the wife you cherish, or your friend who is as your own soul entice you secretly, saying, let us go and serve other gods … you shall surely kill him; your hand shall be first against him to put him to death”

    1 Timothy 2:11
    "Let a woman learn quietly with all submissiveness. I do not permit a woman to teach or to exercise authority over a man; rather, she is to remain quiet. For Adam was formed first, then Eve; and Adam was not deceived, but the woman was deceived and became a transgressor."

    Revelation 2:23 And I will kill her children with death; and all the churches shall know that I am he which searcheth the reins and hearts: and I will give unto every one of you according to your works.

    Leviticus 25
    44 “‘Your male and female slaves are to come from the nations around you; from them you may buy slaves.
    45 You may also buy some of the temporary residents living among you and members of their clans born in your country, and they will become your property.
    46 You can bequeath them to your children as inherited property and can make them slaves for life, but you must not rule over your fellow Israelites ruthlessly.

    Note that the bible is also very clear that you should sacrifice and burn an animal today because the smell makes sicko Christian sky fairy happy. No, you don't get to use the parts for food. You burn them, a complete waste of the poor animal.

    Yes, the bible really says that, everyone. Yes, it's in Leviticus, look it up. Yes, Jesus purportedly said that the OT commands still apply. No exceptions. But even if you think the OT was god's mistaken first go around, you have to ask why a perfect, loving enti-ty would ever put such horrid instructions in there. If you think rationally at all, that is.

    And then, if you disagree with my interpretation, ask yourself how it is that your "god" couldn't come up with a better way to communicate than a book that is so readily subject to so many interpretations and to being taken "out of context", and has so many mistakes in it. Pretty pathetic god that you've made for yourself.

    So get out your sacrificial knife or your nasty sky creature will torture you eternally. Or just take a closer look at your foolish supersti-tions, understand that they are just silly, and toss them into the dustbin with all the rest of the gods that man has created.

    Ask the questions. Break the chains. Join the movement.
    Be free of Christianity and other superstitions.
    http://whywontgodhealamputees.com/

    December 28, 2013 at 12:57 pm |
    • Observer

      Bob,

      All the repeated spamming is not accomplishing anything other than make you look foolish.

      Austin doesn't answer any tough questions.

      December 28, 2013 at 1:01 pm |
      • Bob

        Austin claims to answer, and while he persists, I will also.

        December 28, 2013 at 1:02 pm |
        • Observer

          Bob,

          Austin only responds to tough questions by talking about other subjects.

          December 28, 2013 at 1:03 pm |
        • lol??

          Poor widdle mobster can't find a debate and went we, we, we all the way home.

          December 28, 2013 at 1:06 pm |
        • midwest rail

          caw...caw...

          December 28, 2013 at 1:18 pm |
        • lol??

          I like porking pigs.

          December 28, 2013 at 1:28 pm |
  8. bostontola

    Did Jesus turn over a new leaf? Not really. Still a jealous God.

    Matthew
    10:33 But whosoever shall deny me before men, him will I also deny before my Father which is in heaven.
    10:34 Think not that I am come to send peace on earth: I came not to send peace, but a sword.
    10:35 For I am come to set a man at variance against his father, and the daughter against her mother, and the daughter in law against her mother in law.
    10:36 And a man's foes shall be they of his own household.
    10:37 He that loveth father or mother more than me is not worthy of me: and he that loveth son or daughter more than me is not worthy of me.

    December 28, 2013 at 12:51 pm |
    • lol??

      Blah, blah, and de blah.

      December 28, 2013 at 12:57 pm |
      • bostontola

        de blah?
        Are you going Frenchie on me?

        December 28, 2013 at 1:08 pm |
    • lol??

      Pepperoni pizza never gives me the blahs.

      December 28, 2013 at 1:05 pm |
  9. Observer

    Austin,

    You have the chance to PROVE you are right and make converts.

    Please give us a list of 10 events you predict will happen in 2014. Be specific. "Natural disaster" doesn't hack it.

    Here's you chance to do God's work and convince us. What are you waiting for?

    December 28, 2013 at 12:48 pm |
    • lol??

      What are you guys, the three stooges?? How much you getting paid since yer on the gubmint clock??

      December 28, 2013 at 12:52 pm |
    • lol??

      I like Gubmint cheese and whine.

      December 28, 2013 at 1:03 pm |
  10. Bootyfunk

    what has the pope actually done to deserve such accolades? time's person of the year? lol.

    he said some nice, if ambiguous, things about g.ays and atheists, says the church is really gonna get on that molestation problem, says capitalism is a new kind of terror...

    what has he actually done? accomplished? he has not changed church doctrine or dogma. what has he done?

    December 28, 2013 at 12:44 pm |
    • doobzz

      Apparently Time magazine prefers selfies, staged photos and nice sounding platitudes to someone like Edith Windsor, who actually accomplished something for humanity.

      http://poy.time.com/2013/12/11/runner-up-edith-windsor-the-unlikely-activist/

      December 28, 2013 at 12:59 pm |
  11. bostontola

    It Makes No Sense!

    Why did God create us with a genome that mutates and contains the potential for evil? He is omnipotent. We could be void of evil and still have free will. We could choose to create music or literature, science or engineering. There are lots of other choices besides evil and good. We can't choose to breathe under water or fly, so there are limits to our choices. Why allow evil to enter our gene pool?

    It Doesn't Make Sense!

    December 28, 2013 at 12:41 pm |
  12. Jesus' Beloved

    Austin. the dream you had with the healer.. when was it... and were there other details that you didn't include in your post yesterday?

    December 28, 2013 at 12:32 pm |
    • Bootyfunk

      yes, the healer touched him in naughty places and said "you're healed!" quite a dream....

      December 28, 2013 at 12:36 pm |
      • Jesus' Beloved

        It takes the same effort to be positive as to be negative, to do good vs bad, to uplift vs putdown,
        choose life
        choose love
        choose light

        Many Blessings

        December 28, 2013 at 12:38 pm |
        • Bootyfunk

          cheer for the positive things and make them happen... but stand up and fight against the negative.

          it was just a little joke, don't take it too seriously. 🙂

          December 28, 2013 at 12:41 pm |
        • Jesus' Beloved

          Shalom, my brother.

          I try to rest in His rest...

          December 28, 2013 at 12:51 pm |
    • Austin

      it was in feb of 2012. but i had one from 2004 just finally came true with all the parts to it, this week. and it was pointing to my gift on the piano. it was the declaration of a musical gift! God is so sovereign, he showed me plot of land, and elements from my grandmothers funeral and tied it together with the piano, and I just have polished off a song on the piano , a song from the Lord, AND he gave me a singing voice.

      December 28, 2013 at 12:41 pm |
      • Bootyfunk

        don't give an invisible sky fairy credit where it's not due.

        you did those things, not god. give yourself credit. and i guess thank your parents for the DNA they passed to you, if you have natural talents.

        no god necessary. it really just clutters up the truth.

        December 28, 2013 at 12:46 pm |
        • Jesus' Beloved

          Did you know a person can change their DNA.

          Right now they're doing investigation/research on a young man who was born with Downs Syndrome... He is now healed, but they discovered a curious thing... his DNA was changed.

          How did this happen?

          December 28, 2013 at 12:56 pm |
        • Ed

          JB, google "Argument from Ignorance". Do it now. Read up on it til you understand. Seriously, stupid.

          December 28, 2013 at 1:04 pm |
        • doobzz

          @ JB

          Who is "researching" this? I searched online but only found religious sites with claims but no photos or medical documentation that this man's extra copy of chromosome 21 has disappeared from his body.

          I'll be interested in reading the NIH white paper on how prayer can heal Down Syndrome in the near future. Or at least an article in the National Enquirer.

          December 28, 2013 at 1:14 pm |
        • G to the T

          "Did you know a person can change their DNA." No, they can't. You can change the DNA in your gametes (i.e. radiation or carcinogens, etc.) but not the DNA in your cells.

          "Right now they're doing investigation/research on a young man" – WHO is doing this research.
          "...who was born with Downs Syndrome... He is now healed, but they discovered a curious thing... his DNA was changed."
          Citation Please!

          "How did this happen?" – you were willing to believe a story because it reinforced what you already believed in without (apparently) bothering to check the validity of the story...

          December 30, 2013 at 3:03 pm |
  13. Austin

    The pope is scared to die for the gospel if he kissed the Koran.

    December 28, 2013 at 12:30 pm |
    • Observer

      Austin,

      It's always AMUSING to hear from someone who is delusional enough to PRETEND they know more about the Christian religion than the Pope. Thanks.

      December 28, 2013 at 12:34 pm |
      • Bootyfunk

        yes, because no one can know more about religion than the leader of a religious cult... anyone else's opinion doesn't even count.

        December 28, 2013 at 12:38 pm |
      • lol??

        The socies know all about delusional. That's why they like Freud!!

        Bbbbbwwwwaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaahahahhahaha Quit eyein' yo mama, observed.

        December 28, 2013 at 12:39 pm |
        • lol??

          I vote straight Democratic.

          December 28, 2013 at 12:43 pm |
      • Austin

        case in point, go get a strongs bible concordence, and there are 600 biblical examples of praying to God, as expected, and none to anyone, EVER , like Mary.

        that SHOULD ,make sense to anyone.

        December 28, 2013 at 12:44 pm |
        • Paul

          STOP HATING and JUDGING, Austin. The measure you give will be the measure you receive.

          December 28, 2013 at 12:50 pm |
        • lol??

          Ain't enuff for the HAHA's to get the Bibles in the closets. They want the Christians' brains there, too!! Here come da lions!!!

          December 28, 2013 at 12:56 pm |
        • Anonymous

          Austin,

          "Hail, Mary!" (inscription at the Church of the Annunciation in Nazareth [A.D. 200]).

          Explain.

          December 28, 2013 at 1:01 pm |
        • lol??

          Mythspelling or graffiti.

          December 28, 2013 at 1:14 pm |
        • Anonymous

          Mary was a myth?

          Explain. You pretend to be Christian, lol??.

          December 28, 2013 at 1:30 pm |
    • Paul

      This Pope didn't. That was 2 Popes ago. Stop casting aspersions. Bigot.

      December 28, 2013 at 12:41 pm |
      • lol??

        The original pope for the original gubmint CHURCH was a magician, so popes on the go don't mean nuthin'. The mob that likes circuses think they're fine, though.

        December 28, 2013 at 1:02 pm |
        • Paul

          Would you care to actually address what I said, instead of throwing out strange red herrings?

          December 28, 2013 at 1:08 pm |
  14. Lana

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZeedE8vH1FQ
    .

    December 28, 2013 at 12:27 pm |
    • lol??

      HAHA elevator music, and not up.

      BBbbbwwwwaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaahahahha

      December 28, 2013 at 12:29 pm |
  15. Bootyfunk

    this pope called unfettered capitalism a "new terror". he's all about helping the poor...

    weird how he hasn't made a big decree telling poor people to stop giving at the collection plate, that they can't afford to give money on sundays because they can barely feed themselves.

    being a hypocrite sure is fun.

    December 28, 2013 at 12:26 pm |
    • Austin

      he appears right on things that appeal to the senses of people, but he will go into other regions and kiss their holy book of hell instead of handing them a bible , the word of salvation.

      That does not fly for the kingdom.

      December 28, 2013 at 12:29 pm |
      • Bootyfunk

        i know, Austin, you won't be satisfied until all non-christians are rounded up and converted by force. he should spit on all books but the bible.

        December 28, 2013 at 12:39 pm |
      • Paul

        Link to where THIS Pope did that, or you're lying.
        Or do you think all Popes live forever?
        Should I hold your brother accountable for you driving into a church decades ago? No? Then WHY should you hold this Pipe accountable for something another Pope did decades ago?
        HATER

        December 28, 2013 at 12:47 pm |
      • sam stone

        who the fvck are you to speak about what is good for "the kingdom"?

        December 28, 2013 at 2:26 pm |
  16. bostontola

    Why follow a religion?

    1. The moral tenets are so resonant with your internal sense of right and wrong that it helps you attain a better life.
    2. Fear that if you don't, you will be condemned to an eternity of horror.

    Right off the bat, I reject number 2. Such a negative motivator would not be required by a God that provided number 1.

    The Abrahamic religions don't provide me with number 1. The self centered core of those religions, the immoral elements, and the lack of fair justice rules it out.

    December 28, 2013 at 12:18 pm |
    • lol??

      If it's too tough for ya buy some comic books and find the funnies blog.

      BBBbbwwwwaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaahahahahahaha

      December 28, 2013 at 12:23 pm |
      • Bootyfunk

        take your own advice, pls.

        December 28, 2013 at 12:24 pm |
    • Austin

      bro, you live in the most spoiled and rich day and time ever. and the fact is, that the evil that is coming, is going to make the Caananite slaughter look like childs play. yo sit her and read every day about china's plans to nuke us, Israel and North Korea, you have Syria and the middle east killing EACHOTHER, and you think you are in a utopia? you think things are going to get better? You have never experienced pestilence .

      you have no clue what life was like back when you point your finger at slavery. and we have it so good, and we are STILL, pushing for ww3. NOTHING HAS CHANGED. sin still leads to death, and people still reject the Messiah.

      and that is why people are going to die., and die again.

      December 28, 2013 at 12:27 pm |
      • bostontola

        Austin,
        Only fear? Disappointing.

        December 28, 2013 at 12:30 pm |
      • Bootyfunk

        christianity is a death cult. you guys just can't wait for armageddon. you lust to see non-christians perish. you seriously sound bloodthirsty.

        " and the fact is, that the evil that is coming,"
        +++ "the fact is" - that made me laugh. fact? read that in your book of fairy tales, did ya? people like you have been saying that since christianity bared it's ugly head. i know you can't wait for god to smite everyone you don't like. lol.

        " you think things are going to get better?"
        +++ yes. we live in the safest and most comfortable time ever. i know, you're the eternal pessimist, but i'm an optimist. i don't see humans as an evil plague on the earth, as you do. people are basically good, no god necessary. there are more people alive now than ever. penicillin saved more people's lives than everyone killed in both world wars. take the boston bombings.... 2 people caused a lot of destruction - but thousands came out to help. i know christians like to think people are evil and you need god in order to be good, but it's actually the opposite. you need a god to make sane people do insane things.

        stop being so depressing with the world is gonna end nonsense. it's not. you'll be wrong just like all the other christians chomping at the bit to see the world destroyed.

        December 28, 2013 at 12:35 pm |
        • lol??

          lol??
          The HAHA's (Humanistic Atheists Harvard Agnostics) take over a belief blog and accuse anyone talkin' about faith bein' a troll. Mobs don't have a CONscience. Silly little girly antichrists are just plain ol' bullies. Marx was their original chaplain, course he was a copycat, too.
          BBBBBbbbbbbbbbbbbwwwwaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaahahahahhha

          December 28, 2013 at 12:41 pm |
  17. Jesus' Beloved

    Austin, do you know of any of these brothers:
    Curry Blake, David Hogan, Todd White

    Call this # 1-888-293-6591 to have others praying for Dan while you're on the road.
    Have you ever heard of JGLM John G Lake Ministries.

    JGL lived in Spokane, Washington in the 1920's. During that time, within a 5 yr period there were over 100,000 confirmed cases of healings. A hospital in the area closed because then Spokane was known as the healthiest city in America.

    Curry Blake now runs that Ministry. They're living the Kingdom.

    December 28, 2013 at 12:02 pm |
    • Austin

      done, i talked to tom just now and they are getting involved! thanks to God's Beloved for his words of faith.

      December 28, 2013 at 12:07 pm |
      • Able was I ere I saw Elba

        Which one of you is Napoleon and which one is Josephine today?

        December 28, 2013 at 12:11 pm |
        • Mary

          Lmao

          December 28, 2013 at 12:14 pm |
      • Jesus' Beloved

        Praise God, to Him be all glory and honor. Thank you papa.

        Father, let your will be done on earth as it is in heaven. Amen.

        December 28, 2013 at 12:17 pm |
        • Austin

          I am so glad i have a helper to pray and represent me.! what a redeemer!

          December 28, 2013 at 12:22 pm |
      • Jiminy Cricket

        Austin,

        I wished upon a star for your friend's recovery. If it happens, I'm taking the credit!

        Seriously, I do hope he gets well, and send you my sympathy as you deal with this...

        December 28, 2013 at 12:27 pm |
    • In Santa we trust

      If you mean divine healing where is the evidence? After all hospitals do their best to heal.

      December 28, 2013 at 12:10 pm |
      • Jesus' Beloved

        I gave you the name... the city... the date..
        you can do the research and verify for yourself.

        December 28, 2013 at 12:20 pm |
        • In Santa we trust

          I did. There is none. Same with all divine healing.

          December 28, 2013 at 12:22 pm |
        • Bootyfunk

          we have done the research - and found absolutely no evidence whatsoever that faith healing actually works.

          quick question for ya: how come god never heals amputees? seems like he only heals people with ailments that can be faked, like blindness or lameness. weird how he never heals people with missing limbs...

          December 28, 2013 at 12:23 pm |
  18. Jesus' Beloved

    Austin, Good Morning
    As Dr. Lance Wallnau would refer to you as a ninja killer sheep... not sure I should be using the term "killer"... but I think it's funny.

    How's your friend? Did you heal him/her?

    December 28, 2013 at 11:36 am |
    • Austin

      well, the Lord will reveal His will for our request. Dan has ARDS now. so we are hoping he makes it till monday. My conversations might be a bit choppy as i move around town today.

      How are you doing brother. wow. I feel like I have made a wonderful friend with you!

      December 28, 2013 at 11:41 am |
      • Bob

        Prayer has never healed anything, and your god would be a murderer and purveyor of some awful diseases, rather than a healer, according to your horrid bible:

        Numbers 31:17-18
        17 Now kiII all the boys. And kiII every woman who has slept with a man,
        18 but save for yourselves every girl who has never slept with a man.

        Deuteronomy 13:6 – “If your brother, your mother’s son or your son or daughter, or the wife you cherish, or your friend who is as your own soul entice you secretly, saying, let us go and serve other gods … you shall surely kill him; your hand shall be first against him to put him to death”

        1 Timothy 2:11
        "Let a woman learn quietly with all submissiveness. I do not permit a woman to teach or to exercise authority over a man; rather, she is to remain quiet. For Adam was formed first, then Eve; and Adam was not deceived, but the woman was deceived and became a transgressor."

        Revelation 2:23 And I will kill her children with death; and all the churches shall know that I am he which searcheth the reins and hearts: and I will give unto every one of you according to your works.

        Leviticus 25
        44 “‘Your male and female slaves are to come from the nations around you; from them you may buy slaves.
        45 You may also buy some of the temporary residents living among you and members of their clans born in your country, and they will become your property.
        46 You can bequeath them to your children as inherited property and can make them slaves for life, but you must not rule over your fellow Israelites ruthlessly.

        Note that the bible is also very clear that you should sacrifice and burn an animal today because the smell makes sicko Christian sky fairy happy. No, you don't get to use the parts for food. You burn them, a complete waste of the poor animal.

        Yes, the bible really says that, everyone. Yes, it's in Leviticus, look it up. Yes, Jesus purportedly said that the OT commands still apply. No exceptions. But even if you think the OT was god's mistaken first go around, you have to ask why a perfect, loving enti-ty would ever put such horrid instructions in there. If you think rationally at all, that is.

        And then, if you disagree with my interpretation, ask yourself how it is that your "god" couldn't come up with a better way to communicate than a book that is so readily subject to so many interpretations and to being taken "out of context", and has so many mistakes in it. Pretty pathetic god that you've made for yourself.

        So get out your sacrificial knife or your nasty sky creature will torture you eternally. Or just take a closer look at your foolish supersti-tions, understand that they are just silly, and toss them into the dustbin with all the rest of the gods that man has created.

        Ask the questions. Break the chains. Join the movement.
        Be free of Christianity and other superstitions.
        http://whywontgodhealamputees.com/

        December 28, 2013 at 11:43 am |
      • Jesus' Beloved

        Remember it is always God's will to heal. Healing is a finished work... if you have forgiveness of sins, you have healing. It's up to us who are in-Christ to defeat the attack of the devil against this dear brother.

        Just keep speaking life over him. "You will live and not die"... Command new organs into his body..."Father, right now, in the Name of Jesus, I command full and total healing, I command a new liver , and new kidneys, in Jesus' name."
        Just lay hands on Him and keep praying it.

        This is spiritual warfare. The enemy will come with all kinds of reasons as to why it won't work... that's where the sword of the word comes in. You quote those back to him.
        "By his stripes we were healed" If we were healed, we are healed. Healing is a finished work.

        Thanks

        December 28, 2013 at 11:50 am |
        • Austin

          I know i did do that, and I praise God.

          December 28, 2013 at 11:54 am |
        • Jesus' Beloved

          Okay, great, glad to hear it!

          December 28, 2013 at 12:04 pm |
        • Bob

          It is utter nonsense to claim that Christian god is loving and healing, when in the nasty Christian instruction manual he purportedly makes horrid demands such as these:

          Austin, you ignorant tool, some of my quotes are from your foul new testament, and note my comment on the old one. Since you skipped over that, read it this time:

          Numbers 31:17-18
          17 Now kiII all the boys. And kiII every woman who has slept with a man,
          18 but save for yourselves every girl who has never slept with a man.

          Deuteronomy 13:6 – “If your brother, your mother’s son or your son or daughter, or the wife you cherish, or your friend who is as your own soul entice you secretly, saying, let us go and serve other gods … you shall surely kill him; your hand shall be first against him to put him to death”

          1 Timothy 2:11
          "Let a woman learn quietly with all submissiveness. I do not permit a woman to teach or to exercise authority over a man; rather, she is to remain quiet. For Adam was formed first, then Eve; and Adam was not deceived, but the woman was deceived and became a transgressor."

          Revelation 2:23 And I will kill her children with death; and all the churches shall know that I am he which searcheth the reins and hearts: and I will give unto every one of you according to your works.

          Leviticus 25
          44 “‘Your male and female slaves are to come from the nations around you; from them you may buy slaves.
          45 You may also buy some of the temporary residents living among you and members of their clans born in your country, and they will become your property.
          46 You can bequeath them to your children as inherited property and can make them slaves for life, but you must not rule over your fellow Israelites ruthlessly.

          Note that the bible is also very clear that you should sacrifice and burn an animal today because the smell makes sicko Christian sky fairy happy. No, you don't get to use the parts for food. You burn them, a complete waste of the poor animal.

          Yes, the bible really says that, everyone. Yes, it's in Leviticus, look it up. Yes, Jesus purportedly said that the OT commands still apply. No exceptions. But even if you think the OT was god's mistaken first go around, you have to ask why a perfect, loving enti-ty would ever put such horrid instructions in there. If you think rationally at all, that is.

          And then, if you disagree with my interpretation, ask yourself how it is that your "god" couldn't come up with a better way to communicate than a book that is so readily subject to so many interpretations and to being taken "out of context", and has so many mistakes in it. Pretty pathetic god that you've made for yourself.

          So get out your sacrificial knife or your nasty sky creature will torture you eternally. Or just take a closer look at your foolish supersti-tions, understand that they are just silly, and toss them into the dustbin with all the rest of the gods that man has created.

          Ask the questions. Break the chains. Join the movement.
          Be free of Christianity and other superstitions.
          http://whywontgodhealamputees.com/

          December 28, 2013 at 1:01 pm |
    • Lester

      Accourse he dinna heal him. He's not The LORD.

      December 28, 2013 at 11:48 am |
  19. bostontola

    Deuteronomy 20 is a classic example of why I could never believe in the Abrahamic God. It is violent, genocidal, self centered, teaches the people to be self centered, all is for them. This selfish perspective clearly was effective, the Abrahamic religions dominate the world. That doesn't make them right, much less true. The extreme makeover between the old and new testaments is further evidence that these religions are all man made. The moral conflicts in the various texts shine a bright light on the human origins of these works.

    Deut 20
    for the LORD your God is He that goeth with you, to fight for you against your enemies, to save you.
    And when the LORD thy God delivereth it into thy hand, thou shalt smite every male thereof with the edge of the sword;
    shalt thou take for a prey unto thyself; and thou shalt eat the spoil of thine enemies, which the LORD thy God hath given thee.
    Howbeit of the cities of these peoples, that the LORD thy God giveth thee for an inheritance, thou shalt save alive nothing that breatheth,
    but thou shalt utterly destroy them

    December 28, 2013 at 11:02 am |
    • Bob

      Bostontola, I completely agree with you. So many chapters of the Christian book of nasty AKA the bible show Christian god to be clearly man-made, and the description also presents him as obviously a vain and murderous jerk. Deut 20 is a great example of that.

      Have a great, godless day.

      December 28, 2013 at 11:11 am |
    • Austin

      No it does not show that. Cain killed Abel. you are going to have to stomach that and understand sin. God chose Israel as a vehicle, and when people surrounded Isreal with Satanic hatred and murderous intentions, like Cain did, then you have a God who will not let Israel fail.

      And with that, if you are for the killing of God's people, then we have a war against good people, against bad people.

      That is what it takes in an evil world. People hate God and they wind up in hell.

      December 28, 2013 at 11:21 am |
      • Bob

        Austin, it is your evil sky fairy that your tales say is responsible for hell and eternal torture, which any human rights tribunal would condemn him for. And that's not surprising, given how murderous and violent the tall tales of the bible present your awful god to be:

        Numbers 31:17-18
        17 Now kiII all the boys. And kiII every woman who has slept with a man,
        18 but save for yourselves every girl who has never slept with a man.

        Deuteronomy 13:6 – “If your brother, your mother’s son or your son or daughter, or the wife you cherish, or your friend who is as your own soul entice you secretly, saying, let us go and serve other gods … you shall surely kill him; your hand shall be first against him to put him to death”

        1 Timothy 2:11
        "Let a woman learn quietly with all submissiveness. I do not permit a woman to teach or to exercise authority over a man; rather, she is to remain quiet. For Adam was formed first, then Eve; and Adam was not deceived, but the woman was deceived and became a transgressor."

        Revelation 2:23 And I will kill her children with death; and all the churches shall know that I am he which searcheth the reins and hearts: and I will give unto every one of you according to your works.

        Leviticus 25
        44 “‘Your male and female slaves are to come from the nations around you; from them you may buy slaves.
        45 You may also buy some of the temporary residents living among you and members of their clans born in your country, and they will become your property.
        46 You can bequeath them to your children as inherited property and can make them slaves for life, but you must not rule over your fellow Israelites ruthlessly.

        Note that the bible is also very clear that you should sacrifice and burn an animal today because the smell makes sicko Christian sky fairy happy. No, you don't get to use the parts for food. You burn them, a complete waste of the poor animal.

        Yes, the bible really says that, everyone. Yes, it's in Leviticus, look it up. Yes, Jesus purportedly said that the OT commands still apply. No exceptions. But even if you think the OT was god's mistaken first go around, you have to ask why a perfect, loving enti-ty would ever put such horrid instructions in there. If you think rationally at all, that is.

        And then, if you disagree with my interpretation, ask yourself how it is that your "god" couldn't come up with a better way to communicate than a book that is so readily subject to so many interpretations and to being taken "out of context", and has so many mistakes in it. Pretty pathetic god that you've made for yourself.

        So get out your sacrificial knife or your nasty sky creature will torture you eternally. Or just take a closer look at your foolish supersti-tions, understand that they are just silly, and toss them into the dustbin with all the rest of the gods that man has created.

        Ask the questions. Break the chains. Join the movement.
        Be free of Christianity and other superstitions.
        http://whywontgodhealamputees.com/

        December 28, 2013 at 11:25 am |
        • Austin

          Bob, you have been pasting that for a year. you are responsible for going to hell for yourself. God created that for the fallen angels, who you follow in your worhsip of the God of this world.

          There is no other truth. You live to muddy up your own waters up till now.

          December 28, 2013 at 11:27 am |
        • Bob

          No, Austin, and you must be quite stupid. You present your god as creator of everything, and so hell would have to be his doing. So again, directly from your horrid Christian book of nasty, read and this time try to comprehend for a change:

          Numbers 31:17-18
          17 Now kiII all the boys. And kiII every woman who has slept with a man,
          18 but save for yourselves every girl who has never slept with a man.

          Deuteronomy 13:6 – “If your brother, your mother’s son or your son or daughter, or the wife you cherish, or your friend who is as your own soul entice you secretly, saying, let us go and serve other gods … you shall surely kill him; your hand shall be first against him to put him to death”

          1 Timothy 2:11
          "Let a woman learn quietly with all submissiveness. I do not permit a woman to teach or to exercise authority over a man; rather, she is to remain quiet. For Adam was formed first, then Eve; and Adam was not deceived, but the woman was deceived and became a transgressor."

          Revelation 2:23 And I will kill her children with death; and all the churches shall know that I am he which searcheth the reins and hearts: and I will give unto every one of you according to your works.

          Leviticus 25
          44 “‘Your male and female slaves are to come from the nations around you; from them you may buy slaves.
          45 You may also buy some of the temporary residents living among you and members of their clans born in your country, and they will become your property.
          46 You can bequeath them to your children as inherited property and can make them slaves for life, but you must not rule over your fellow Israelites ruthlessly.

          Note that the bible is also very clear that you should sacrifice and burn an animal today because the smell makes sicko Christian sky fairy happy. No, you don't get to use the parts for food. You burn them, a complete waste of the poor animal.

          Yes, the bible really says that, everyone. Yes, it's in Leviticus, look it up. Yes, Jesus purportedly said that the OT commands still apply. No exceptions. But even if you think the OT was god's mistaken first go around, you have to ask why a perfect, loving enti-ty would ever put such horrid instructions in there. If you think rationally at all, that is.

          And then, if you disagree with my interpretation, ask yourself how it is that your "god" couldn't come up with a better way to communicate than a book that is so readily subject to so many interpretations and to being taken "out of context", and has so many mistakes in it. Pretty pathetic god that you've made for yourself.

          So get out your sacrificial knife or your nasty sky creature will torture you eternally. Or just take a closer look at your foolish supersti-tions, understand that they are just silly, and toss them into the dustbin with all the rest of the gods that man has created.

          Ask the questions. Break the chains. Join the movement.
          Be free of Christianity and other superstitions.
          http://whywontgodhealamputees.com/

          December 28, 2013 at 11:31 am |
        • Austin

          The eternal kingdom is within you Bob.. You are talking to the recipient of supernatural light. You have no argument with me.

          Isaiah 55:8 ►
          "For my thoughts are not your thoughts, neither are your ways my ways," declares the LORD.

          December 28, 2013 at 11:38 am |
        • Bob

          Again, your book of horrors clearly states the murderous, vain, and vengeful nature of your god, and you cannot argue that point since it is so obviously stated, so you just try to dodge. Look again:

          Numbers 31:17-18
          17 Now kiII all the boys. And kiII every woman who has slept with a man,
          18 but save for yourselves every girl who has never slept with a man.

          Deuteronomy 13:6 – “If your brother, your mother’s son or your son or daughter, or the wife you cherish, or your friend who is as your own soul entice you secretly, saying, let us go and serve other gods … you shall surely kill him; your hand shall be first against him to put him to death”

          1 Timothy 2:11
          "Let a woman learn quietly with all submissiveness. I do not permit a woman to teach or to exercise authority over a man; rather, she is to remain quiet. For Adam was formed first, then Eve; and Adam was not deceived, but the woman was deceived and became a transgressor."

          Revelation 2:23 And I will kill her children with death; and all the churches shall know that I am he which searcheth the reins and hearts: and I will give unto every one of you according to your works.

          Leviticus 25
          44 “‘Your male and female slaves are to come from the nations around you; from them you may buy slaves.
          45 You may also buy some of the temporary residents living among you and members of their clans born in your country, and they will become your property.
          46 You can bequeath them to your children as inherited property and can make them slaves for life, but you must not rule over your fellow Israelites ruthlessly.

          Note that the bible is also very clear that you should sacrifice and burn an animal today because the smell makes sicko Christian sky fairy happy. No, you don't get to use the parts for food. You burn them, a complete waste of the poor animal.

          Yes, the bible really says that, everyone. Yes, it's in Leviticus, look it up. Yes, Jesus purportedly said that the OT commands still apply. No exceptions. But even if you think the OT was god's mistaken first go around, you have to ask why a perfect, loving enti-ty would ever put such horrid instructions in there. If you think rationally at all, that is.

          And then, if you disagree with my interpretation, ask yourself how it is that your "god" couldn't come up with a better way to communicate than a book that is so readily subject to so many interpretations and to being taken "out of context", and has so many mistakes in it. Pretty pathetic god that you've made for yourself.

          So get out your sacrificial knife or your nasty sky creature will torture you eternally. Or just take a closer look at your foolish supersti-tions, understand that they are just silly, and toss them into the dustbin with all the rest of the gods that man has created.

          Ask the questions. Break the chains. Join the movement.
          Be free of Christianity and other superstitions.
          http://whywontgodhealamputees.com/

          December 28, 2013 at 11:46 am |
        • Austin

          Bob the evil horrors are were within the caananites. And the whole world benefited for the relief of these people, and the light that came into the world through Israel. not the people Israel, but the work of God. Because of His mercy.

          Now the evil that is real is not God, it is your hatred for His plan and salvation. That is the death that reigns.

          In him is life. You know for a fact that in wars , people die, and there are times where evil throbs in a pulse of vengeful death. Civilians who harbor the enemy fall as victims.

          You also can not prove the degenerate extent of sick people, and in a world without medical technology, sometimes ethnic cleansing is God's choice, or at least it was. So be it.

          You have no excuse to sit here and act like we aren't gifted with the New Covenant, a better covenant. Go read the whole new testament.

          December 28, 2013 at 12:00 pm |
        • Austin

          Bob, pointing your finger at the old testament, is not an excuse, it is a prison. There is no where that you can run to escape God's reality. You have an important change to make and you had better hurry up, and I mean hurry. Time is running out.

          December 28, 2013 at 12:03 pm |
        • Bob

          Austin, you ignorant fool, some of my quotes are from your foul new testament, and note my comment re the old one. Since you skipped over that, actually read it this time:

          Numbers 31:17-18
          17 Now kiII all the boys. And kiII every woman who has slept with a man,
          18 but save for yourselves every girl who has never slept with a man.

          Deuteronomy 13:6 – “If your brother, your mother’s son or your son or daughter, or the wife you cherish, or your friend who is as your own soul entice you secretly, saying, let us go and serve other gods … you shall surely kill him; your hand shall be first against him to put him to death”

          1 Timothy 2:11
          "Let a woman learn quietly with all submissiveness. I do not permit a woman to teach or to exercise authority over a man; rather, she is to remain quiet. For Adam was formed first, then Eve; and Adam was not deceived, but the woman was deceived and became a transgressor."

          Revelation 2:23 And I will kill her children with death; and all the churches shall know that I am he which searcheth the reins and hearts: and I will give unto every one of you according to your works.

          Leviticus 25
          44 “‘Your male and female slaves are to come from the nations around you; from them you may buy slaves.
          45 You may also buy some of the temporary residents living among you and members of their clans born in your country, and they will become your property.
          46 You can bequeath them to your children as inherited property and can make them slaves for life, but you must not rule over your fellow Israelites ruthlessly.

          Note that the bible is also very clear that you should sacrifice and burn an animal today because the smell makes sicko Christian sky fairy happy. No, you don't get to use the parts for food. You burn them, a complete waste of the poor animal.

          Yes, the bible really says that, everyone. Yes, it's in Leviticus, look it up. Yes, Jesus purportedly said that the OT commands still apply. No exceptions. But even if you think the OT was god's mistaken first go around, you have to ask why a perfect, loving enti-ty would ever put such horrid instructions in there. If you think rationally at all, that is.

          And then, if you disagree with my interpretation, ask yourself how it is that your "god" couldn't come up with a better way to communicate than a book that is so readily subject to so many interpretations and to being taken "out of context", and has so many mistakes in it. Pretty pathetic god that you've made for yourself.

          So get out your sacrificial knife or your nasty sky creature will torture you eternally. Or just take a closer look at your foolish supersti-tions, understand that they are just silly, and toss them into the dustbin with all the rest of the gods that man has created.

          Ask the questions. Break the chains. Join the movement.
          Be free of Christianity and other superstitions.
          http://whywontgodhealamputees.com/

          December 28, 2013 at 12:58 pm |
      • bostontola

        Austin,
        1. There are historical and archeological accounts of other civilizations from that time. There were many that were productive societies with good people.
        2. According to your definition of your God, it is omniscient. It created these people and their resulting societies. When it created Adam and Eve, it already knew that those evil ones would emerge. It let it all happen, perhaps as a lesson to the others. It was willing to allow so many souls to perish to teach the others a lesson. I guess It doesn't love all people.

        Please don't respond with the old free will yarn, those other souls are still sacrificed. Btw, what if humans don't have complete free will? What if science has already proved that? Well that is a fact. Much of our decisions have been shown to happen unconsciously, absent of any will.

        December 28, 2013 at 11:42 am |
        • Austin

          let me help you out. We are not the judge of the old testament people. Atonement, was the issue. We do not know if God, would consider the absolute lostness of people or not. but there were other clans who were literally ran by the hierarchy of demons as they civilized the earth. I do not know, if the atonement ceremonies, carried out by the priests, covered the entire clan and more than that or not.

          The fact is this. That you have heard the message of God, and you are absolutely accountable. you have the bible, and you could call on the holy spirit, but you choose to cling to details that fuel your fallen and corrupted flesh.

          You have no excuse and you should be ashamed to reject the provision of God. I have every reason to rebuke you, in love and truth. Straighten up.

          December 28, 2013 at 11:51 am |
        • Observer

          Austin,

          "You have no excuse and you should be ashamed to reject the provision of God. I have every reason to rebuke you, in love and truth. Straighten up."

          And you are not ASHAMED that God supports slavery and beating helpless children to discipline them?

          Get into reality and be HONEST with yourself.

          December 28, 2013 at 11:54 am |
        • bostontola

          Austin,
          The point is, man has created thousands of Gods. Each came with rules and conditions. Yahweh/Jesus is merely one instance of these. Its rules are no more real than any of the other thousands of Gods. Your God is particularly flawed. It gave you a wrong accounting of creation, it gave you immoral tenets to live by.

          It is not a just God, punishing 4 generations after a transgression, people not even born yet. You can't get more innocent than that. Those descendants of guilty people had no free will in those actions.

          No, your God character is not something to follow.

          December 28, 2013 at 12:07 pm |
        • Austin

          fellas, if you let mankind go, they will reject God. that is the nature of the sin that brings death. our condition is a very sad deal.. , and the key is to not reject God. can you handle that?

          you find pleasure in pointing your finger at the circ.umstances of the OT because of the evil desire within you heart. your natural enmity is desperate to come up with a reason to free your self from God, and this is a satanic desire.

          That all souds like a blanket statement, but it is true. As.similation and cleansing, were roadways that were solutions to real problems. when diseases are unleashed as judgments, and you fear the death that sweeps uncontrollably through a land, then you will see why God took measures to administer health and life. But you live in the most spoiled day and age the world has ever seen. you have no idea what Satan has in store.

          you point your finger at slavery? Israel was a slave who escaped and they were chased down, and then God drown the people in the river. But he allowed them to be slaves, because He was doing a supernatural work. Suffering is judgment.

          There is one locust for every man who rejects God, and they , along with the return of Jesus, are on the horizon. The antichrist system is overtaking the world. Repent, and believe.

          I have received a supernatural truth.

          December 28, 2013 at 12:21 pm |
        • Mary

          Do not ever use the OT again to sit in judgement of what is being done today then, Austin.

          December 28, 2013 at 12:21 pm |
        • Observer

          Austin,

          "But he allowed them to be slaves, because He was doing a supernatural work"

          So you support slavery since God ALLOWS it, right? Yes or no?.

          December 28, 2013 at 12:30 pm |
    • Observer

      Christians pretend the Bible ever mentions abortion, but have no problem with God calling for the slaughter of EVERY child, baby and fetus.

      December 28, 2013 at 11:29 am |
      • Austin

        I dont' have a problem with WW2 or the flood either, because I understand the tower of Babel, and you do too.

        Evil has been a force with FAR greater numbers..
        gut guess what, we celebrate passover, ordained and consecrated by God, and the Harvest. We are supernatural son's of God, and the pope is a coward.

        December 28, 2013 at 11:33 am |
        • Observer

          Austin,

          Please become the FIRST CHRISTIAN to ever explain what sins the FETUSES had committed to justify God's KILLING them?

          December 28, 2013 at 11:39 am |
    • lol??

      The HAHA's (Humanistic Atheists Harvard Agnostics) take over a belief blog and accuse anyone talkin' about faith bein' a troll. Mobs don't have a CONscience. Silly little girly antichrists are just plain ol' bullies. Marx was their original chaplain, course he was a copycat, too.
      BBBBBbbbbbbbbbbbbwwwwaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaahahahahhha

      December 28, 2013 at 12:13 pm |
      • midwest rail

        Translation – "Waaaaaaa....Waaaaaaaaaaa...you ol' meanies!!! "
        Another variation of the mating call of the clinically insane fundie.

        December 28, 2013 at 12:19 pm |
        • doobzz

          lol??'s Moron's Word-A-Day calendar is up to "BBBBBbbbbbbbbbbbbwwwwaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaahahahahhha". That's where it got such jewels as "wegodian" "gubmint" and "enuff".

          December 28, 2013 at 1:52 pm |
  20. Jesus' Beloved

    Wisdom's role in the creation of the earth. See Proverbs 8:1-26
    Doth not Wisdom cry? and understanding put forth her voice?...I was set up from everlasting, from the beginning, or ever the earth was. ..While as yet he had not made the EARTH, nor the fields, nor the highest part of the dust of the world."

    No doubt Wisdom predates the sons and morning stars that watched the creation of the earth. For it is this Wisdom that is the feminine, creative part of the Godhead. It is this Wisdom that is the womb of the morning. Out of this womb were birthed the mornings stars that sing and the sons of God that shout. And these children are of the order of Melchisedek.

    Remember Wisdom is the Holy Spirit.

    December 28, 2013 at 10:59 am |
    • Bob

      According to your Christian book of nasty AKA the bible, your "wise" "god" demands awful violence from the flawed subjects that he purportedly created, and is quite the vain, vengeful, and murderous jerk himself. From both foul testaments:

      Numbers 31:17-18
      17 Now kiII all the boys. And kiII every woman who has slept with a man,
      18 but save for yourselves every girl who has never slept with a man.

      Deuteronomy 13:6 – “If your brother, your mother’s son or your son or daughter, or the wife you cherish, or your friend who is as your own soul entice you secretly, saying, let us go and serve other gods … you shall surely kill him; your hand shall be first against him to put him to death”

      1 Timothy 2:11
      "Let a woman learn quietly with all submissiveness. I do not permit a woman to teach or to exercise authority over a man; rather, she is to remain quiet. For Adam was formed first, then Eve; and Adam was not deceived, but the woman was deceived and became a transgressor."

      Revelation 2:23 And I will kill her children with death; and all the churches shall know that I am he which searcheth the reins and hearts: and I will give unto every one of you according to your works.

      Leviticus 25
      44 “‘Your male and female slaves are to come from the nations around you; from them you may buy slaves.
      45 You may also buy some of the temporary residents living among you and members of their clans born in your country, and they will become your property.
      46 You can bequeath them to your children as inherited property and can make them slaves for life, but you must not rule over your fellow Israelites ruthlessly.

      Note that the bible is also very clear that you should sacrifice and burn an animal today because the smell makes sicko Christian sky fairy happy. No, you don't get to use the parts for food. You burn them, a complete waste of the poor animal.

      Yes, the bible really says that, everyone. Yes, it's in Leviticus, look it up. Yes, Jesus purportedly said that the OT commands still apply. No exceptions. But even if you think the OT was god's mistaken first go around, you have to ask why a perfect, loving enti-ty would ever put such horrid instructions in there. If you think rationally at all, that is.

      And then, if you disagree with my interpretation, ask yourself how it is that your "god" couldn't come up with a better way to communicate than a book that is so readily subject to so many interpretations and to being taken "out of context", and has so many mistakes in it. Pretty pathetic god that you've made for yourself.

      So get out your sacrificial knife or your nasty sky creature will torture you eternally. Or just take a closer look at your foolish supersti-tions, understand that they are just silly, and toss them into the dustbin with all the rest of the gods that man has created.

      Ask the questions. Break the chains. Join the movement.
      Be free of Christianity and other superstitions.
      http://whywontgodhealamputees.com/

      December 28, 2013 at 11:07 am |
      • Jesus' Beloved

        You quoted quite a bit...
        Ask God for Wisdom (If any man lacks wisdom, let him ask and God will give to him liberally),
        that's the only thing lacking from your post.

        There is a willful move on your part to not understand what is written in Scripture... it will only be to your detriment, because you could be living the life of Christ, one of life, love, and light.
        It's never too late, change your mind about God, because God is light and in Him there is no darkness.

        Perfect love cast out fears.
        Father loves you very much.

        Much Blessings to you in the New Year

        December 28, 2013 at 11:23 am |
        • Bob

          Jesus' Moron, that's total BS. Again, your "loving" god demands this of you, and these direct quotes from your Christian book of horrors show how vicious your nasty sky fairy would be:

          Numbers 31:17-18
          17 Now kiII all the boys. And kiII every woman who has slept with a man,
          18 but save for yourselves every girl who has never slept with a man.

          Deuteronomy 13:6 – “If your brother, your mother’s son or your son or daughter, or the wife you cherish, or your friend who is as your own soul entice you secretly, saying, let us go and serve other gods … you shall surely kill him; your hand shall be first against him to put him to death”

          1 Timothy 2:11
          "Let a woman learn quietly with all submissiveness. I do not permit a woman to teach or to exercise authority over a man; rather, she is to remain quiet. For Adam was formed first, then Eve; and Adam was not deceived, but the woman was deceived and became a transgressor."

          Revelation 2:23 And I will kill her children with death; and all the churches shall know that I am he which searcheth the reins and hearts: and I will give unto every one of you according to your works.

          Leviticus 25
          44 “‘Your male and female slaves are to come from the nations around you; from them you may buy slaves.
          45 You may also buy some of the temporary residents living among you and members of their clans born in your country, and they will become your property.
          46 You can bequeath them to your children as inherited property and can make them slaves for life, but you must not rule over your fellow Israelites ruthlessly.

          Note that the bible is also very clear that you should sacrifice and burn an animal today because the smell makes sicko Christian sky fairy happy. No, you don't get to use the parts for food. You burn them, a complete waste of the poor animal.

          Yes, the bible really says that, everyone. Yes, it's in Leviticus, look it up. Yes, Jesus purportedly said that the OT commands still apply. No exceptions. But even if you think the OT was god's mistaken first go around, you have to ask why a perfect, loving enti-ty would ever put such horrid instructions in there. If you think rationally at all, that is.

          And then, if you disagree with my interpretation, ask yourself how it is that your "god" couldn't come up with a better way to communicate than a book that is so readily subject to so many interpretations and to being taken "out of context", and has so many mistakes in it. Pretty pathetic god that you've made for yourself.

          So get out your sacrificial knife or your nasty sky creature will torture you eternally. Or just take a closer look at your foolish supersti-tions, understand that they are just silly, and toss them into the dustbin with all the rest of the gods that man has created.

          Ask the questions. Break the chains. Join the movement.
          Be free of Christianity and other superstitions.
          http://whywontgodhealamputees.com/

          December 28, 2013 at 11:27 am |
        • Austin

          Bob posts the same thing for the last year. the cannanites, slavery, assimilation,.....ect. He exploits a past day and age, which we don't live in.

          Bob, the kingdom at heaven is within us, those who know THE WAY.

          December 28, 2013 at 11:31 am |
        • Observer

          Austin

          "Bob posts the same thing for the last year. the cannanites, slavery, assimilation,.....ect. He exploits a past day and age, which we don't live in. "

          Where did God EVER condemn the ownership of slaves? New Testament or Old Testament.

          December 28, 2013 at 11:33 am |
        • Bob

          Austin, you ignorant tool, those quotes are from BOTH testaments, and even the most deluded Christians will claim that their "god"'s second attempt still applies. As usual, the atheist knows the bible better than the deluded Christian. Read and check it out:

          Numbers 31:17-18
          17 Now kiII all the boys. And kiII every woman who has slept with a man,
          18 but save for yourselves every girl who has never slept with a man.

          Deuteronomy 13:6 – “If your brother, your mother’s son or your son or daughter, or the wife you cherish, or your friend who is as your own soul entice you secretly, saying, let us go and serve other gods … you shall surely kill him; your hand shall be first against him to put him to death”

          1 Timothy 2:11
          "Let a woman learn quietly with all submissiveness. I do not permit a woman to teach or to exercise authority over a man; rather, she is to remain quiet. For Adam was formed first, then Eve; and Adam was not deceived, but the woman was deceived and became a transgressor."

          Revelation 2:23 And I will kill her children with death; and all the churches shall know that I am he which searcheth the reins and hearts: and I will give unto every one of you according to your works.

          Leviticus 25
          44 “‘Your male and female slaves are to come from the nations around you; from them you may buy slaves.
          45 You may also buy some of the temporary residents living among you and members of their clans born in your country, and they will become your property.
          46 You can bequeath them to your children as inherited property and can make them slaves for life, but you must not rule over your fellow Israelites ruthlessly.

          Note that the bible is also very clear that you should sacrifice and burn an animal today because the smell makes sicko Christian sky fairy happy. No, you don't get to use the parts for food. You burn them, a complete waste of the poor animal.

          Yes, the bible really says that, everyone. Yes, it's in Leviticus, look it up. Yes, Jesus purportedly said that the OT commands still apply. No exceptions. But even if you think the OT was god's mistaken first go around, you have to ask why a perfect, loving enti-ty would ever put such horrid instructions in there. If you think rationally at all, that is.

          And then, if you disagree with my interpretation, ask yourself how it is that your "god" couldn't come up with a better way to communicate than a book that is so readily subject to so many interpretations and to being taken "out of context", and has so many mistakes in it. Pretty pathetic god that you've made for yourself.

          So get out your sacrificial knife or your nasty sky creature will torture you eternally. Or just take a closer look at your foolish supersti-tions, understand that they are just silly, and toss them into the dustbin with all the rest of the gods that man has created.

          Ask the questions. Break the chains. Join the movement.
          Be free of Christianity and other superstitions.
          http://whywontgodhealamputees.com/

          December 28, 2013 at 11:33 am |
    • VM

      Jesus' Beloved,

      Who wrote the Book of Proverbs? Did his "wisdom" apply to his own life?

      December 28, 2013 at 11:07 am |
      • Jesus' Beloved

        The Book of Proverbs was narrated by the Holy Spirit (Wisdom) and written down by Solomon.

        December 28, 2013 at 11:12 am |
        • VM

          Would that be the same Solomon who wrote "spare not the rod" on your child, and whose own son, Rehoboam, grew up to be a horrid tyrant who lost half of the Israelite kingdom?

          Rehoboam: " ‘My little finger is thicker than my father's waist. 11 What I mean is that my father required you to work hard and pay high taxes. But I will make those loads heavier. It was as though my father whipped you, but I will whip you with whips that have pieces of metal in them.’ ” Kings 10

          December 28, 2013 at 11:23 am |
        • G to the T

          LOL... do you know what word was actually used for "wisdom"? Sophia – the greek godess of wisdom. Isn't learning fun?

          That's why you should always look a bit deeper than the english translation...

          December 30, 2013 at 2:28 pm |
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