January 7th, 2014
10:00 AM ET

Satanists unveil design for OK statehouse statue

By Daniel Burke, CNN Belief Blog Co-Editor
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(CNN) - Satanists have unveiled their design for a proposed statue at the Oklahoma state Capitol, including a place for people to sit on the devil's lap "for inspiration and contemplation."

The New York-based Satanic Temple submitted its proposal to Oklahoma officials this month after applying for a spot on Capitol grounds late last year. The Satanists say their statue would "complement and contrast" with a Ten Commandments monument placed at the Capitol in Oklahoma City in 2012.

The Satanists' proposed monument depicts Baphomet, a goat-headed pagan idol sitting on a 7-foot-tall throne inscribed with an inverted pentagram. In an artist's rendering provided by the Satanic Temple, smiling children look adoringly at the devilish figure.

"The statue will serve as a beacon calling for compassion and empathy among all living creatures," Lucien Greaves, a spokesman for the Satanic Temple, said in a prepared statement. "The statue will also have a functional purpose as a chair where people of all ages may sit on the lap of Satan for inspiration and contemplation.”

According to its Indiegogo page, the Satanists have raised more than $16,000 toward their goal of $20,000 for the monument, which Greaves said would "be a historical marker commemorating the scapegoats, the marginalized, the demonized minority and the unjustly outcast.”

The Temple of Satan is less a religious body organized around rituals and regular meetings than a roving band of political provocateurs, according to Greaves. They believe Satan is a "literary construct," the spokesman said, not an actual being with horns and hooves.

READ MORE: Satanists want statue next to Ten Commandments

The proposed statue includes quotations from poets Lord Byron and William Blake.

“Prisons are built with stones of Law, Brothels with bricks of Religion” runs the Blake quotation. The 18th-century poet was a Christian, albeit one with a mystical bent and little use for traditional morality.

The statue's main figure, Baphomet, has long been associated with Satan, Greaves said. In the 12th century, the Knights Templar, a group of Christian crusaders, were accused of worshiping Baphomet in their secretive rituals.

"From the mythology created by these accusations against the Templars, we now have a symbol for Satan pictured as a goat-headed beast," Greaves said.

Since the 1960s, a variation of the horned goat head has been the official symbol of the Church of Satan, which is not affiliated with the Temple of Satan. The head of the Church of Satan has told CNN he does not approve of the idea of a Satanist statue on public grounds.

Oklahoma state Rep. Paul Wesselhoft told CNN that he doesn't think the Satanists' statue will be approved.

“What will disqualify them has really nothing to do with Satan as such; it's that it has no historical significance for the state of Oklahoma,” he said.

Trait Thompson, chairman of Oklahoma's Capitol Preservation Committee, said he has not received the Satanists' proposed design yet. He also said that no applications will be considered until a lawsuit over the Ten Commandments monument is settled.

The American Civil Liberties Union has sued over Oklahoma's Ten Commandments monument, calling it an unconstitutional government endorsement of religion.

After news broke of the Satanists' proposal, the state was flooded with requests from religious groups seeking to erect monuments to their own faith, including Hindus and Pastafarians, a satirical religion that "worships" the Flying Spaghetti Monster.

An Oklahoma lawmaker told CNN that the Satanists' message wouldn't fly in the Bible Belt state, where nearly two-thirds of the population is Christian.

"Any monument displayed on state property should reflect the values of Oklahoma or memorialize those who built or defended our freedom," Rep. Bob Cleveland said Tuesday. "In my opinion, this Satanist monument does not meet with the values of Oklahomans."

- CNN Religion Editor

Filed under: Belief • Church and state • Satanism

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  1. Dandintac


    Have you ever truly considered the possibility that you are wrong, and are being deceived? I don’t mean deceived as to which gods exist, or which religion exactly, but have you ever considered the possibility that you are actually worshipping the evil God?

    I don’t believe in Yahweh or Lucifer, but if you’re going to buy into the mythology, are you so sure you have it right?

    Think. What would a great deceiver do and say? He would say things like “I am the truth and the light.”

    An evil God would surely crave worship. He would be jealous and quick to anger. He would punish people far out of proportion to their perceived crimes. He would lapse into fits of rage, and if powerful, no doubt he would kill a lot of people. He would demand absolute obedience, even to the point of demanding that his subjects murder their own children. He would condone slavery, and allow people to beat their slaves. He would accept human sacrifices. He would sacrifice his own son to himself. He would blame people for things they did not do–maybe things their ancestors did. If a religion was actually that of the Evil One I would expect to see a lot of carnage–lots of wars, inquisitions–all sorts of atrocities committed in its name.

    I’ll let this guy make the case:


    Make sure and catch the whole movie–readily available on YT. It packs a pretty powerful punch.

    Who did Lucifer kill? Just Job’s kids, and Yahweh seems to have had his hands in on that whole story also. What harm has Lucifer actually done? Tried to get Eve to eat from the Tree of Knowledge (the Horror). Other than offering us knowledge, and going along with God on poor Job’s awful treatment, he seems to have left people alone. That’s small potatoes compared to the carnage that can be laid at Yahweh’s feet. Does Lucifer crave worship? Does he declare his jealousy? Does he constantly gloat about himself? Does he send a flood to kill everyone?

    So what if all this time–mankind is being deceived?

    Think about it–the biggest bribe ever made–Heaven and eternal life, the biggest threat ever made–Hell, the biggest claim ever made–God. Maybe it’s all the biggest lie ever told?

    But, but the Bible says _______–yeah, and maybe that’s part of the Evil One’s deception. If the Evil One is a master deceiver, then pretty much everyone would be falling for it. In other words, “I believe–because the Deceiver himself told me. So I have faith.”

    Like I said–I don’t have to face this dilemma, because I don’t believe any of it. But if you’re going to go down this belief road, and buy into the existence of beings like this–how do you know you’re worshipping another one–just because some deceivers tell you so?

    This should make your head–um–spin…

    January 8, 2014 at 11:32 pm |
    • human

      brilliant, and completly accurate. thank you for so eloquently stating something i have believed for years.

      January 9, 2014 at 12:25 am |
    • elio

      Ur in a complete mess Jesus proved he is god how could he be deceiving us and dying for us on the cross you need to read the bible he proved he is the truth and the light seriously get help..who created this universe so that its perfectly fitted in its all aspects looking for the answer like a retard in different books where the answer has always been in the holly bible

      January 9, 2014 at 12:30 am |
      • human

        HAHAHAHA thats just too funny. Maybe you should read your holly bible a little closer.

        January 9, 2014 at 12:50 am |

          Lololol...human...I don't think she/he's ever read the bible....PERIOD.

          January 10, 2014 at 10:54 am |
      • Fernando

        Perhaps you should read the bible to understand Jesus aint the messiah, he just does not fullfil the requirements. For instance, there was no need for salvation, no need for sacrifice and the messiah was not supposed to be divine. That's why the jews didnt recognize him, God have no children

        January 9, 2014 at 11:32 am |
      • Piccolo

        It's FAITH! Stop using the words proof and truth. Jesus proved nothing of the sort, because his existence and alleged divinity cannot be verified and neither can the bible. The BIBLE proves just as much as the greek god myths, the koran, or the Egyptian book of the dead.

        January 9, 2014 at 2:11 pm |
        • what next?

          I think you missed the EYE WITNESS accounts of the 4 men who wrote the New Testament, Sunshine.

          See - eye witness accounts are recognized in courts of law and witness statements are taken and acted upon! In the N.T. we have that.
          You ask for proof but when it's handed to you on a platter – you choose not to accept it. How juvenile are you?

          January 10, 2014 at 10:33 am |
        • Piccolo

          Oh yeah? Can you please call up Matthew and Mark for me and corroborate your story?

          According to biblical scholars the gospels were written decades after the alleged crucifixion, by folks that did NOT witness the events first hand. LOL at eye witness accounts. You do realize there are eye witness accounts of all the greek and egyptian gods as well right? I guess that proves it, sunshine. 😆 Good ol' double standards.

          January 10, 2014 at 11:43 am |
      • Dandintac

        How exactly did Jesus "prove" he is god? I can think of lots of ways one could at least provide compelling and persuasive evidence, and Jesus did not. An all-knowing God would KNOW what would persuade all of us skeptics–plus anyone from any other religion. An all-powerful God could do so with just a glimmer of a thought. An all-good God would let people think for themselves without threatening or bribing them. He would offer evidence.

        An Evil God on the other hand, would use threats–like eternal suffering in a Lake of Fire in an effort to intimidate people into believing, and try to bribe people with an offer to allow expiation of all sins, even including murder, if you will only believe without evidence, coupled with the vast bribe of eternal life.

        An Evil God would have no problem fooling everyone with the Jesus story. It'd be easy to fake. Voodoo cults fake deaths through the use of drugs. People have faked their own deaths many times. Some stool pigeon may have been suckered into taking the fall for Jesus. A look alike could have been used after his death. There are all sorts of ways even ordinary people can BS a "resurrection"–and besides, Lazarus was raised from the dead, and no one claims he was divine.

        The easiest way of all would be simply to write a story CLAIMING that it all happened, and CLAIMING that there are witnesses and so on. Most likely this is what happened. Certainly easy for humans to do, let alone the Master of Deception.

        January 9, 2014 at 9:10 pm |
      • what next?

        You are right! Great post.
        People ask for proof so God sent His Son as a human being to live; tell people about His Father and proved it by working miracles and forgiving sins!
        His words, works and miracles were EYE-witnessed by 4 men who recorded it for posterity. Luke was a doctor – not a peasant fisherman. John stood at the foot of the Cross with Jesus' Mother Mary when He died. They recorded Jesus' Resurrection and His farewell at the Ascension.

        These unbelievers won 't accept eye witness accounts but believe Tom Hanks films where they didn't know the difference between Sang Real and San Greal !!!!!!!!!!

        January 10, 2014 at 10:25 am |
        • Piccolo

          Why do all 4 gospels contradict each other and what about the other gospels that have been found that also contradict the official ones substantially (Magdalene, Judas, John the baptist, etc)? They were all eye witness accounts as well, but you selectively pick and choose which ones to believe and which ones to ignore. Sorry, but your standard of proof is pathetically low. If you can say the bible proves god, then I can say "The Lord of the Rings" proves Frodo Baggins.

          January 10, 2014 at 11:50 am |
    • Mopery

      You know what Mr. Rabbit says? Mr. Rabbit says the moment of realization...the moment of realization is worth a thousand prayers.

      January 9, 2014 at 3:30 am |

      So what if all this time–mankind is being deceived?

      The real deception is that none of the bible is true....except a few name places and people....and yet people believe this crap and defend it with wars that have killed millions over the centuries and still 1700 years later are still at it.....so pathetically sad.

      January 10, 2014 at 10:50 am |
      • Piccolo

        Exactly. If god is real as depicted in the bible, why hasn't he simply reached out to us and let us know, instead of letting people kill each other over it for 2000 years. That's extremely negligent.

        January 10, 2014 at 11:54 am |
      • Dandintac

        Correct. The Bible is NOT the greatest story ever told, it's the greatest lie ever told.

        January 10, 2014 at 11:32 pm |
  2. The Truth

    This is the most idiotic thing that could be allowed, the United states was established under the word of God. Now people are going against everything the established in the United states, just like in the beginning of time the devil is still trying to be on the top. But he's going to fail again because his future is already written, their is only one true God an no other, but belive what you want. When Elijah went up to the mountain and all the bales said that their God was the true god and when they called their God nothing happened. But when Elijah called the only and true God fire fell from the sky and they all recognized that jehova was the only God it was too late for them. You can believe what you want, your not forest to follow the truth. But at the end only jesus can save you God Bless and all these accurence are already for written in the bible. This world is going to keep getting worse, and the hand of God is going to smite the earth. Get ready the worst is just to come, but you still have a chance to repent, God loves you hurry before it's too late!!!!

    January 8, 2014 at 11:28 pm |
    • Oi

      Your post is badly in need of a rebuttal based on any remotely sound reading of the first amendment, especially considering the Supreme Court's findings in Everson v. the Board of Education. Nonetheless, I'll take the cheep route and suggest that you should work on your spelling, grammar, and usage. Here is something to start you off: http://theoatmeal.com/comics/misspelling

      January 8, 2014 at 11:53 pm |
      • Grammar King

        "Nonetheless, I’ll take the cheep route and suggest that you should work on your spelling, grammar, and usage."

        You misspelled "cheap".

        January 9, 2014 at 12:28 am |
    • QuestionEverything

      "This is the most idiotic thing that could be allowed, the United states was established under the word of God."- You start with a false premise, so no reason to continue reading your post.

      If you truly believe this be true then provide the evidence of your claim.

      January 9, 2014 at 9:49 am |
    • Piccolo

      This country was founded on FREEDOM of religion, not the bible. Stop lying. Restricting one group's belief system from being represented is not fair to non Christian religions and goes against everything the founding fathers represented.

      January 10, 2014 at 12:25 pm |
  3. Truth

    Many religions are as or even more Satanic as the satanists.
    Born Agains look like demon possessed on their services...Catholics killed millions in the name of religion...muslims the same thing...

    January 8, 2014 at 10:43 pm |
    • Just The Facts

      Not quite. They may all be evil. But there is a difference between worshipping the devil "indirectly" – and in worshipping the devil "directly"...

      January 8, 2014 at 10:53 pm |
      • aldewacs2

        And the difference is ... honesty? Or reality? Which is it?

        January 10, 2014 at 9:18 am |
        • Piccolo

          Satanism and devil worship are 2 different things. Satanism is more about the worship of oneself, and indulgence of what makes you happy. It doesn't literally mean the people follow the devil and do evil deeds for him.

          January 10, 2014 at 12:29 pm |
    • Piccolo

      Yep, and they practice ridiculous cult rituals that invoke the eating of human flesh and drinking of blood. If you're looking for demonic rituals, look no further.

      January 10, 2014 at 12:28 pm |
  4. Opposing View

    Revelation 14:11 – And the smoke of their torment ascendeth up for ever and ever: and they have no rest day nor night, who worship the beast and his image, and whosoever receiveth the mark of his name…

    The above scripture describes all those who will be in the lake of fire and brimstone. It states, "the smoke of their torment ascendeth up forever and ever, and they have no rest day or night." It further states specifically that those who will be in the lake will be – " those who worship the beast (Lucifer) and his image, or whosoever received the mark of his name (666)". That is a clear cut statement that all "Satanists" (those who worship Lucifer) are going to hell. So join that cult if you want to. But be assured, your destination will be the lake…

    January 8, 2014 at 10:25 pm |
    • Steve

      Or, maybe you have been duped into believing your God is good when in actuality he/she is the evil one.

      January 9, 2014 at 1:46 pm |
  5. Crosswinds

    Revelation 14:9-10.........
    9 Then a third angel followed them, saying with a loud voice, “If anyone worships the beast and his image, and receives his mark on his forehead or on his hand, 10 he himself shall also drink of the wine of the wrath of God, which is poured out full strength into the cup of His indignation. He shall be tormented with fire and brimstone in the presence of the holy angels and in the presence of the Lamb.

    January 8, 2014 at 8:45 pm |
    • Chikkipop

      And you believe what you just quoted from an old book?


      January 8, 2014 at 9:23 pm |
    • Opposing View

      Crosswinds… Pay no mind to the fools, crosswinds. Their day is coming. It's going to be quite interesting to see those same fools trembling in fear as they're standing before God on Judgment Day. They won't be so arrogant then. They' won't be so evil-minded then. They won't be so self-righteous then. And you know what's even better? On that day, God is going to grant them a "perfect memory". Not only will they remember vividly every sin they have ever committed in their lifetime. And not only will they remember every evil word they've ever said about God. But they shall also remember every single word that you and I have said to them as well, even on this forum. And the memory of our words will cut into their heart like a knife – a knife they will be unable to pull out or forget. And they wont be so arrogant then…

      As for their comments about the "old book"? The fools are too ignorant to even know, that is the same book which shall judge them, and send them to the lake…

      January 8, 2014 at 10:19 pm |
      • Grammar King

        Yo, Preacher: every post you make reinterprets the Bible in a totally violent and outrageous way.

        You have even less credibility than the atheists trying to disprove God.

        January 9, 2014 at 12:40 am |
        • Opposing View

          Yep, your day is coming too. And you won't be so self-righteous then...

          January 9, 2014 at 1:54 pm |
      • Steve

        So you admit your God is a callous, vain being completely incapable of empathy. Sounds like the real evil one to me.

        January 9, 2014 at 1:50 pm |
        • Opposing View

          Then perhaps you can tell him that on Judgment Day...

          Matthew 12:26 – But I say unto you, That every idle word that men shall speak, they shall give account thereof in the day of judgment...

          January 9, 2014 at 1:56 pm |
        • A Frayed Knot

          So I guess that "Matthew" will have to account for that lulu that he told about those resurrected bodies who visited Jerusalem and were seen by *many* - that NOBODY else reported upon, eh?

          January 9, 2014 at 2:00 pm |
        • Opposing View

          Frayed Knot… Congratulations, fool. Now you have something to explain as well on Judgment Day, when God asks you why did you speak evil about one of his servants? And if you cannot provide a good answer, you'll be cast into the lake...

          Matthew 12:26 – But I say unto you, That every idle word that men shall speak, they shall give account thereof in the day of judgment...

          January 9, 2014 at 4:33 pm |
      • Piccolo

        OV, what are you going to do when your day comes and it turns out that Horus is the true god? Man, you're due for a flame bath. Better start repenting now.

        January 9, 2014 at 2:16 pm |
      • kirsteny

        Non Christians are going to be judged by a book? Strange, I could have sworn it was supposed to be judged by God.

        February 16, 2014 at 2:07 am |
      • kirsteny

        So non Christians are going to be judged by the Book of Revelations? That's strange. I could have sworn the Bible said it would be God doing the judging.

        February 16, 2014 at 2:18 am |
  6. Freedom

    First off, so as not to be generalized, I am an @theist, but I am not a l!beral nor con$ervative. Nor am I a Republic@n or Democr@t. I also honestly think that plenty of people on BOTH sides can be fairly intolerant of understanding differing opinions, e$pecially when it comes to the "other p@rty/s!de". But with this particular topic, I am focu$ing mainly on the right. It is this pu$hy Bible-+hump!ng g@rb@ge that has ruined the Rep party for many moderate and $ane con$ervatives. First off, this nation is a nation with a very diverse make-up when it comes to the topic of religion and "spirituality". Why place a giant monument of the 10 Commandments in front of a government courthouse? The !mpl!cat!ons here could not be more obvious. This coun+ry's legal system is not meant to follow "Biblical law". That is for Christian believers to follow for themselves. I do not want to hear about how this coun+ry was founded on "God" from +heocra+ic Christians. Many of our found!ng fathers were deist, who, while they often mentioned "God", did not mean it in the +radi+ion@l Biblical sense. Thomas Jefferson, the main author of the Declaration of Independence, strongly oppo$ed the religious right of his time, even going so far as to ed!+ his own ver$ion of the Bible, in an (fu+ile, in my op!n!on) a++empt to "re$cue" the good par+$ of the book from the zealo+$. While he did have many values that would be deemed "con$ervative" today, such as limited government, he was also s+r0ngly opposed to the m!x!ng of personal faith and public pol!c!es. If modern Christians had placed their s+a+ue in front of a Church or non-government building, they would have not received anywhere near the cr!+!c!sm they (deservedly) received. When a non-Christian stands up and b@$ically says "Hey, we don't all share your faith", many Christians get the nerve to say that THEY are the ones being persecuted........ But, @$ it stands, IF we allow this monument to con+!nue to stand, then we must allow it from other religions, also, even if you do not like them. Freedom of religion is not just for Christians. That view is more ou+rageou$ than anyth!ng else I see here, and the "$atanists" would not have $ugge$ted this, had y0u pe0ple not started this g@rb@ge. and let's be 100% honest.......your belief is most likely a pr0duct of geography and the bl!nd luck of where you h@ppened to be born and/or grow up. It's not like the va$t majority of you spent years studying different religions and philo$ophy before c0ming to a f!n@l decision. You were simply born in a loc@+!0n where Christianity was the p0pul@r cultural "faith" and accord!ngly, have under@n@lyzed cultural prejud!ce$ forming your base opinions. and most of you are likely skeptical about the claims of OTHER religions. The $kep+!c!$m simply stops at your own religious beliefs, or does not go the same length.. also, PS: not that I'm a "Satanist", nor that I defend it more than any other religion, but I will say that a lot of Christians don't know much about them other than H0llyw00d myths. Quick lesson: There are two types: LaVeyan $atanists are basically atheists who use the dev!l as a $ymbol for our c@rn@l human nature rather than a being they think actually ex!$+$. and the thei$+ic $atanists that I know of wor$hip a being that they say supposedly pred@te$ Christianity. I think it's silly, but if you're going to h@te, know what you are h@ting. Many of them are actually very peaceful, just like @nyone else, but just have different philosophies. Not into human $acr!ficing or anything of the sort.

    January 8, 2014 at 8:00 pm |
    • Freedom

      aaaaaand it removed my paragraphs.

      January 8, 2014 at 8:01 pm |
    • Freedom

      EDIT: a $ymbol for THEIR c@rn@l human nature

      January 8, 2014 at 8:04 pm |
    • fyi

      Glad that you got it to post.

      Tough sledding to read, but it looks like only "th.umping" and "a.nalyzed" needed to be altered.

      January 8, 2014 at 10:08 pm |
    • Follower of Jesus Christ

      Just an FYI Thomas Jefferson edited the Bible to include ONLY the words of Jesus. He was a self proclaimed Christian. Stop listening to the false history being taught today and look up primary source information. More from him... Written in the front of his personal Bible, he wrote:

      "I am a real Christian, that is to say, a disciple of the doctrines of Jesus. I have little doubt that our whole country will soon be rallied to the unity of our creator."

      In 1803, at the request of President Thomas Jefferson, the United States Congress allocated federal funds for the salary of a preacher and the construction of his church. That same year, Congress, again at Jefferson’s request, ratified a treaty with the Kaskaskia Indians. Congress recognized that most of the members of the tribe had been converted to Christianity, and Congress gave a subsidy of $100.00 a year for seven years for the support of a priest so that he could “instruct as many ... children as possible.”

      On April 21, 1803, Jefferson wrote this to Dr. Benjamin Rush (also a signer of the Declaration of Independence):

      “My views...are the result of a life of inquiry and reflection, and very different from the anti-Christian system imputed to me by those who know nothing of my opinions. To the corruptions of Christianity I am, indeed, opposed; but not to the genuine precepts of Jesus himself. I am a Christian in the only sense in which He wished any one to be; sincerely attached to his doctrines in preference to all others.”

      In that same letter, he wrote,

      “To the corruptions of Christianity I am, indeed opposed; but not to the genuine precepts of Jesus himself. I am a Christian, in the only sense in which he wished any one to be; sincerely attached to his doctrines, in preference to all others.”

      In a letter to William Short on October 31, 1819, he wrote:

      “But the greatest of all the reformers of the depraved religion of His own country, was Jesus of Nazareth.”

      January 9, 2014 at 1:24 am |
      • QuestionEverything

        When Jefferson called himself a Christian this was in a philosophical, and not religious, context. Jefferson did not believe in the divinity of Jesus nor any of the miraculous attributes bestowed on him,

        1823 letter to John Adams – "And the day will come when the mystical generation of Jesus, by the supreme being as his father in the womb of a virgin will be classed with the fable of the generation of Minerva in the brain of Jupiter. But we may hope that the dawn of reason and freedom of thought in these United States will do away all this artificial scaffolding, and restore to us the primitive and genuine doctrines of this the most venerated reformer of human errors."

        January 9, 2014 at 10:05 am |
        • Follower of Jesus Christ

          lol, you just proved my point and didn't even realize it.

          "And the day will come when the mystical generation of Jesus, by the supreme being as his father in the womb of a virgin will be classed with the fable of the generation of Minerva in the brain of Jupiter. But we may hope that the dawn of reason and freedom of thought in these United States will do away all this artificial scaffolding, and restore to us the primitive and genuine doctrines of this the most venerated reformer of human errors."

          Do you understand what is being said in that paragraph? He's saying (*in big words) that one day (like atheists today) will classify the birth, life, death and resurrection of Jesus as myth...but THEN, he includes a line that could be interpreted to mean a couple things... you assert, he means that the "artificial scaffolding" is the actual story of Jesus, but the last line imply's that he is defending the biblical doctrines and story of Christ by his hope for the restoration of the "primitive and genuine doctrines of this the most venerated reformer of human errors." Jesus, is the venerated reformer of human error, by the way of his atonement, and resurrection. You have to understand the lingo amigo.

          The truth is, people are being lied to. The new age movement, the new world order, the atheists, the satanists have all been deceived. There is so much misdirection and indoctrination going on in the schools today. Jesus is the savior of the world, He is the son of God, He lived to set an example of how we should live, He defeated death to overcome sin and hell, so we may be forgiven for our sins and live on after this mortal experience. His main teachings include, Love God, and Love your neighbors. He also said we should love our enemies. Christianity is about love, even though many christians aren't always good at it, LOVE is the doctrine of Jesus Christ. And regardless of our differences, that is something we should all be able to agree with. More kindness, more understanding, more tolerance. But let us not be deceived. Jesus is the Savior of the world.

          January 10, 2014 at 2:19 am |
      • Freedom

        Jefferson also removed any mention of the resurrection and many supernatural elements from the book, such as Jesus healing people.

        January 9, 2014 at 2:17 pm |
        • Follower of Jesus Christ

          He removed ALL but the words of Christ. He kept that book on his person so that the words of Jesus would always be with him.

          January 10, 2014 at 2:22 am |
      • Freedom

        and as I know how your type is infamous for taking things out of context, I need more information about this allocation of funds to Church building. The whole story

        January 9, 2014 at 2:21 pm |
        • Follower of Jesus Christ

          "My type?" Come on man, you presume too much. I seek truth, the only difference between me and other truth seekers is source and faith. Context is important, and I always try to understand context. How often is context taken into account when you read about the founders? To truly understand context, you need to know the terminology of their day. Also understand the culture of their time. It's folly to try and relate to their day by today's terms and culture.

          January 10, 2014 at 2:26 am |
        • Freedom

          honest "truth" seeking does not factor "faith" into the equation.

          January 11, 2014 at 7:47 pm |
        • Follower of Jesus Christ

          lol, again you misunderstand the definition of faith.

          faith [feyth]
          confidence or trust in a person or thing: faith in another's ability.
          belief that is not based on proof: He had faith that the hypothesis would be substantiated by fact.
          belief in God or in the doctrines or teachings of religion: the firm faith of the Pilgrims.
          belief in anything, as a code of ethics, standards of merit, etc.: to be of the same faith with someone concerning honesty.
          a system of religious belief: the Christian faith; the Jewish faith.

          Science is faith based also, the difference being scientists may or may not be exercising faith in Christ whilst establishing their hypotheses.

          January 17, 2014 at 3:45 am |
        • Dandintac

          "Nothing can shake MY faith!!"

          I've heard this so often from Christians. They will tell me that no matter what I say, NOTHING will shake their faith.

          So tell me, which definition do you place this kind of faith under? I have yet to run across any atheists that have this kind of faith in anything–or for that matter, anybody else who has this sort of "faith" in anything else outside of religion.

          I do not believe you can place this in the same category as mere trust. Trust can be broken quite easily. In fact, all it takes is one betrayal of trust for a person's trust in something to be utterly destroyed.

          "Nothing can shake my FAITH!!!" This is why we atheists will frequently define "faith" as believing in something without evidence, or in spite of evidence.

          January 17, 2014 at 9:00 pm |
  7. On symbolism

    Personally I always thought the Jesus and Satan symbolism was more akin to the below parable.

    A Cherokee told his grandson about a battle that goes on inside people. He said, “My son, the battle is between two wolves inside us all. One is Evil. It is anger, envy, jealousy, sorrow, regret, greed, arrogance, self-pity, guilt, resentment, inferiority, and strife.

    The other is Good. It is joy, peace, love, hope, serenity, humility, kindness, benevolence, generosity, empathy, truth, compassion and faith.” The grandson thought about this for a minute and then asked the grandfather, “Which wolf wins?”

    The old Cherokee simply replied, “The one you feed.”

    January 8, 2014 at 7:13 pm |
    • Follower of Jesus Christ

      It's so true. Very well said.

      January 9, 2014 at 1:39 am |
  8. Freedom

    testing 123. let's see if THIS posts gets past the censors. you'd think I was cursing or being volatile. smh

    January 8, 2014 at 7:00 pm |
    • Freedom

      never mind. this site is a JOKE with the censorship of comments.

      January 8, 2014 at 7:03 pm |
      • Cpt. Obvious

        You're just using a three letter combination that the auto filter doesn't like. Don't think so highly of yourself.

        like "t!t" in "const!tution" or "v@g" in "v@gue"

        January 8, 2014 at 7:06 pm |
        • Freedom

          It's not about thinking highly of myself. I knew it was some retarded key terms or letters or......something. Just not sure what exactly, and there could be a better system.

          January 8, 2014 at 7:10 pm |
      • fyi


        You can Google "CNN Belief Blog WordPress filter list" and find the list of hints. A new one was dug up yesterday too - coa.rse.

        January 8, 2014 at 7:10 pm |
        • Freedom

          only one that comes CLOSE to a censorship-worthy term that I can see is ANALyzed

          January 8, 2014 at 7:40 pm |
      • Piccolo

        I had the same issue when I started posting here as well. The censors are pretty stupid, with the 3 word combos that can be in almost any word. They need to make the filters smarter. words like c_um, and t_it, are common ones because the 3 letter combo appears in many words. It's really just lazy programming by CNN.

        January 9, 2014 at 2:21 pm |
  9. Thomas

    get me near this thing,

    and everyday we could add something new;

    like day #1, a sports mitt on his hand that points up 1 finger with the rest curled, 'proudly' stating..

    "we're number one!"

    like day #2, mitt gets replaced with the fabrication of some decapitated head of a leader and the saying enscribed somewhere,

    "to err is human,

    but to know the difference to where you stand without your head.."

    and so it goes 🙂


    this is priceless and will have some very *VERY* funny outcomes with prank satire!!


    thomas 🙂

    January 8, 2014 at 6:05 pm |
  10. Mopery

    I haven't laughed this hard since I saw the Passion of the Christ.

    January 8, 2014 at 6:03 pm |
  11. Jackie Joyner

    This makes me sick to my stomach. My Lord have mercy on them.

    January 8, 2014 at 6:01 pm |
  12. heather

    First of all Jesus was not satians son you idiots
    and if you didn't know lucifer was an angel in heaven until he tryed to control heaven
    and rule it ..so God gave him his own place called hell ... y'all think satian is Soo amazing and great ht when you stand
    before the lord and he cast to down to the pits of hell you'll be burning for eternity and feeling your bodies burn over and over
    again .... so think about it satian is a liar and will always be one buy no judgement here just give y'all a lil knowledge about the Bible 🙂 hornless each and every one of you

    January 8, 2014 at 5:20 pm |
    • heather

      Lent God bless each and everyone of you

      January 8, 2014 at 5:23 pm |
    • elio


      January 8, 2014 at 5:23 pm |
    • JWT

      I will never be standing before your lord so that is not a problem.

      January 8, 2014 at 5:36 pm |
      • because

        Oh yes you will. every eye shall see' every knee shall bow and every tongue confess that Jesus is Lord

        January 8, 2014 at 7:31 pm |
        • Fukery

          No he won't.

          January 8, 2014 at 7:34 pm |
    • FSMpriestess

      And your dogmatic threats are hilarious. Hard to read without a chortle. Pathetic that you live under such threat.

      January 8, 2014 at 5:39 pm |
    • Jac

      Who on earth said Jesus is the son of "satian" [sp]? And do you typically start your posts by calling people 'idiots'?

      January 8, 2014 at 5:46 pm |
      • FSMpriestess

        Xtians are angry and confrontational against anything that questions the veracity of theirr gods. May FSM touch you all with His blessed noodly appendages.

        January 8, 2014 at 6:05 pm |
        • Jac


          January 8, 2014 at 6:28 pm |
      • King of Darkness

        Go ahead and prove that Jesus isn't the son of Satan. Good luck.

        January 10, 2014 at 1:49 pm |
  13. King of Darkness

    Jesus was the son of Lucifer, the light bringer.

    Prove me wrong.

    January 8, 2014 at 4:57 pm |
    • elio

      May lord Jesus enlighten you and save you from the curse put upon you

      January 8, 2014 at 5:04 pm |
    • Mopery

      The story of Lucifer and the Fall are clearly taken from Greek mythology, see: Prometheus.

      January 8, 2014 at 6:08 pm |
    • Proof you're wrong

      If this is true, then why has not one single Satanist ever stood up on these blogs and defended a Christian who was being insulted?

      January 8, 2014 at 7:23 pm |
      • King of Darkness

        Because they believe that Jesus was the son of Yahweh or Jehovah who were vindictive gods who committed mass murder and commanded their followers to do the same. They have deceived you into believing that Lucifer is the devil and that Jesus represents their interests, but it is really a twisted lie, just like most of the bible. Lucifer is the light bringer and only through him and Jesus his only begotten son, can you really achieve salvation. Lucifer is not the devil.

        January 10, 2014 at 12:43 pm |
        • Ode to Lymrics

          There was a Plejarin from Venus
          Who had an incredible...
          Pair of eyes
          When he told the earth what's between us
          Some thought it was truth and some lies

          January 11, 2014 at 8:50 pm |
        • Ode to Lymerics

          "Lymerick"...I'm not drunk honest I just had a long shift

          January 11, 2014 at 8:52 pm |
  14. elio

    So sad to see that this subject is even being debated. Countries and societies especially the US are carried away with everything under the umbrella of freedom and rights your governments should learn from third world countries true values and laws.certain lines should never be crossed and such movements need to be exterminated for the sake of youngsters that must learn true values and acts in order to be a well being and not end up in jail and on the long run in hell. Your society need to learn true Christianity the one our societies hold on to in their hardest times. A Lebanese Arab proud Christian

    January 8, 2014 at 4:54 pm |
    • Piccolo

      Good Christians don't really care about heaven and hell and literal rituals. They live their life as Jesus did, doing good deeds for others. That goes above everything else.

      January 8, 2014 at 5:00 pm |
  15. l33ter

    Dum Dum! Give me Gum Gum!

    January 8, 2014 at 4:54 pm |
  16. George

    That's a pretty beautiful, yet ominous statue. It's a little startling, but no more than walking into a Catholic Church and seeing a dead guy hanging off the wall in a beautiful Cathedral or Spanish mission. It's all or nothing in my opinion. If the religion falls under religious non profit status then go for it. Sorry Okies, you can't play favorites.....

    January 8, 2014 at 4:20 pm |
    • elio

      May god forgive you because you know not what you say and do in the name of the father the son and the holly spirit YOUR one god amen

      January 8, 2014 at 5:00 pm |
      • Jac

        The 'holly' spirit? And if you revere Him so much, why don't you capitalize God?

        January 8, 2014 at 6:27 pm |
  17. The Whosoever's

    Victory is already WON to those who FOLLOW JESUS CHRIST!! Satanist are playing the game with Lucifer himself who has already lost. Be deceived no more. Jesus is the only Way, Truth and Life.

    January 8, 2014 at 4:10 pm |
    • CommonSensed

      Santa already came and went. See you next year.

      January 8, 2014 at 4:30 pm |
    • King of Darkness

      But the bible is a deception by the devil. Lucifer is the true god and Jesus was HIS son. Christians are confused and blindly believe the bible, but it says right in the bible that the antichrist will deceive the majority of humankind into thinking he represents god or good. This deception has been going on for years as the bible IS the deception. Don't get mad at me, Christians, I'm only giving you the Truth. You can deny reality all you want, but that's how it is and you'd better heed my advice if not, you will burn forever in the fire pit that JEHOVAH created. Don't get it twisted. Lucifer rebelled against them because he was a freedom fighter, trying to free humans from the tyrannic rule of Jehovah where he commandment and personally committed countless atrocities. He would never torture anybody, as that's not something a loving god would do. Step outside the box and read the bible with an outside perspective and open mind. It makes perfect sense.

      January 10, 2014 at 12:58 pm |
  18. mzh

    103:1 – By (swear) the time
    103:2 – Indeed, mankind is in loss
    103:3 – Except those who believe and do righteous good deeds, and recommend one another to the truth (i.e. order one another to perform all kinds of good deeds (Al-Ma'ruf) which Allah has ordained, and abstain from all kinds of sins and evil deeds (Al-Munkar) which Allah has forbidden), and recommend one another to patience (for the sufferings, harms, and injuries which one may encounter in Allah's Cause during preaching His religion of Islamic Monotheism or Jihad, etc.).


    January 8, 2014 at 3:55 pm |
    • Dave Wilson

      Good one! All people of the book and who call Abraham blessed must unite in peace and good deeds. By whatever name you call Satan it is just as wrong and evil.

      January 8, 2014 at 4:50 pm |
      • Tech N9ne

        What if I love Satan but do good deeds?

        January 8, 2014 at 4:55 pm |
        • Dave Wilson

          It sure would beat joining Satan and doing bad deeds. But then would it be Satanism if you thought first of the good of others?

          January 8, 2014 at 5:16 pm |
        • On symbolism

          You can name your two wolves anything you want. (see above parable)

          January 8, 2014 at 8:00 pm |
        • mzh

          And they all shall appear before Allah (on the Day of Resurrection) then the weak will say to those who were arrogant (chiefs): "Verily, we were following you; can you avail us anything from Allah's Torment?" They will say: "Had Allah guided us, we would have guided you. It makes no difference to us (now) whether we rage, or bear (these torments) with patience, there is no place of refuge for us." – 14:21

          And Shaitan (Satan) will say when the matter has been decided: "Verily, Allah promised you a promise of truth. And I too promised you, but I betrayed you. I had no authority over you except that I called you, so you responded to me. So blame me not, but blame yourselves. I cannot help you, nor can you help me. I deny your former act in associating me (Satan) as a partner with Allah (by obeying me in the life of the world). Verily, there is a painful torment for the Zalimun (polytheists and wrong-doers, etc.)." – 14:22

          And those who believed (in the Oneness of Allah and His Messengers and whatever they brought) and did righteous deeds, will be made to enter Gardens under which rivers flow, – to dwell therein forever (i.e.in Paradise), with the permission of their Lord. Their greeting therein will be: Salam (peace!). 14:23


          January 9, 2014 at 7:28 am |
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