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January 8th, 2014
01:38 PM ET

Holy Hitchhiker: Pope gives pal a ride on the Popemobile

By Daniel Burke, CNN Belief Blog Co-Editor

(CNN) - In yet another breach of normal papal protocol, Pope Francis on Wednesday gave a pal a lift on the world's most exclusive ride: the Popemobile.

According to Catholic News Service, the holy hitchhiker was the Rev. Fabian Baez, a priest from Francis' former Archdiocese of Buenos Aires, whom the pope spotted in the crowd at St. Peter's Square.

As he helped the priest onto the Popemobile, Francis told Baez, "The picture will go around the world,” CNS reports. The beaming priest rode around St. Peter's Square and was given a special seat at the Pope's speech to the crowd.

During the Pope's speech, he urged the crowd to remember their baptism.

"Many of us do not have the slightest memory of the celebration of this Sacrament, obviously, if we were baptized shortly after birth," Francis said. "It is important! It is important to know what day you were immersed in that current of salvation of Jesus!"

Baez later tweeted in Spanish, “I’m going to change my biography. The poor priest who got on the popemobile today with #PopeFrancis”.

Mark another point for the "Pope of the people."

Pope Francis' greatest hits of 2013

- CNN Religion Editor

Filed under: Catholic Church • Pope Francis

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  1. Live4Him

    @igaftr : Not necessarily impossible. Stop thinking that time is linear...it is not.

    How does one provide experimental evidence for non-linear time when the experiment would necessarily be conducted in linear time?

    <><

    January 13, 2014 at 10:22 am |
    • G to the T

      Most often times via mathematical theorums. Appart from that inductive evidence can be used but isn't as strong as deductive (via empirical).

      Eistein showed that "time" is only another dimension in "space/time". Indeed, math is what has shown us that there are many, many higher dimension than the standard 4. Who knows what "time" may "look" like from those perspectives?

      January 13, 2014 at 7:03 pm |
  2. Live4Him

    @DJ : You're saying that you have to accept up front that the god of the Bible is where the universe came from before you can investigate beyond that. That makes absolutely no sense.

    This follows the scientific method. When a scientific theory is postulated, then one begins with the premise that the theory is correct and then devises an experiment to test the validity of that assumption. If one begins with the premise that they theory is incorrect, then it negates the need for further testing. The critical part is ensuring an objective test, rather than a 'rubber-stamp' process.

    <><

    January 13, 2014 at 10:19 am |
    • Eric G

      Almost correct. The hypothesis put forth needs to be based on verifiable evidence. If your hypothesis is not supported by verifiable evidence, your conclusions cannot be tested and you are back to square one.

      January 13, 2014 at 10:38 am |
      • Live4Him

        @Eric G : The hypothesis put forth needs to be based on verifiable evidence.

        A scientific experiment implictly assumes verifiable results.

        <><

        January 13, 2014 at 10:49 am |
        • Reality # 2

          We have reviewed some of the evidence and this is what we found:

          Strong circ-umstantial evidence that there is no god (or did they all die as martyrs?)

          Number of god's creations who died horrible deaths from the following diseases:

          1. 300,000,000 approx.
          Smallpox

          2. 200,000,000 ?
          Measles

          3. 100,000,000 approx.
          Black Death

          4. 80,000,000–250,000,000
          Malaria

          5. 50,000,000–100,000,000
          Spanish Flu

          6. 40,000,000–100,000,000
          Plague of Justinian

          7. 40,000,000–100,000,000
          Tuberculosis

          8. 30,000,000[13]
          AIDS pandemic

          9. 12,000,000 ?
          Third Pandemic of Bubonic Plague

          10. 5,000,000
          Antonine Plague

          11. 4,000,000
          Asian Flu

          12. 250,000 or more annually Seasonal influenza

          January 13, 2014 at 11:26 am |
        • G to the T

          Perhaps, but it also needs to be falsifiable. How would you falsify a theory based on supernatural origins?

          But looking beyond that – what would the theory you want to test be? How would you propose an experiment to prove the existence of a creator? I"m geniuinly curious.

          January 13, 2014 at 7:09 pm |
  3. Science Works

    Or LoA you can park your/the talking donkey at the curb .

    January 13, 2014 at 7:32 am |
    • Science Works

      screwed up meant for LoA below.

      January 13, 2014 at 7:34 am |
  4. Bootyfunk

    i'm pretty sure it's a sin not to carpool in the popemobile.

    January 13, 2014 at 6:14 am |
  5. Bootyfunk

    christians cry that christianity is under attack, that all the CNN stories bash christianity...
    blah blah blah
    and yet here's another christian fluff piece.
    pope picks up a fellow priest in his pope mobile?
    that made the news? really?
    i picked up 2 hitchhikers the other day and no one wrote an article about me.
    this pope gets a lot of credit for doing nothing.

    what has the pope actually done to deserve time's man of the year?
    he didn't change church dogma or doctrine.
    just some nice, if ambiguous, words.
    but what has the pope actually accomplished?

    nothing.

    January 12, 2014 at 12:57 pm |
    • Tom, Tom, the Other One

      Picking up hitchhikers is a bit of a risk. You need to take care – there are some loonies out there. I wouldn't pick up a priest.

      January 12, 2014 at 1:22 pm |
  6. Science Works

    A whale of a myth/story the RCC has but together over the years.

    The Jonah mentioned in II Kings 14:25 lived during the reign of Jeroboam II .... concerning Jonah, who is said to have been three days in a whale's belly?

    International science news !

    'Walking Whale' Fossil Discovered In Peru: 40-Million-Year-Old Specimen May Be Link Between Aquatic and Land Mammals

    http://www.isciencetimes.com/articles/6094/20130920/walking-whale-fossil-ocucaje-peru-40-million-years.htm

    READ MORE:

    15-Million-Year-Old, 1000-Pound Baleen Whale Skull Unearthed Along The Potomac River In Virginia [VIDEO]

    January 12, 2014 at 12:38 pm |
    • Rodents for Romney

      The "swallowed and spit out by a leviathan" was a common "meme" in the ancient Near East, (as many things in the Babble are .. just imported form the common culture). In fact common syncretic elements from Babylonian mythology are too numerous to count, in the Babble.

      January 12, 2014 at 11:21 pm |
      • Science Works

        Plus the sun is what helps produce the food to feeds us – no gods required !

        Quantum Mechanics Explains Efficiency of Photosynthesis

        Jan. 9, 2014 —

        http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2014/01/140109092008.htm

        January 13, 2014 at 7:21 am |
      • Lawrence of Arabia

        The worst myth of all: that nothing times nothing (or next to nothing) equals everything, and yet they can't explain where that "next to nothing" came from...

        Or that energy is eternal... How do they know since no one was in eternity past to observe that energy wasn't created...

        Or that Hydrogen can somehow be the source of everything... That's alchemy isn't it?

        January 13, 2014 at 7:27 am |
        • Lawrence of Arabia

          * should have been "no one times nothing..."

          January 13, 2014 at 7:28 am |
        • truthprevails1

          "How do they know since no one was in eternity past to observe that energy wasn't created... "

          And yet you plug a god in to it...how convenient and dishonest!

          January 13, 2014 at 7:34 am |
        • Science Works

          So LoA – to you less than one millionth of a second is eternity ?

          That is about the time unaccounted for before the big bang ?

          January 13, 2014 at 7:43 am |
        • 00 00

          hey larry, how r u man? sup?

          y do u lov jesus?

          January 13, 2014 at 8:11 am |
        • Reality # 2

          o Think infinity and recycling with the Big Bang expansion followed by the shrinking reversal called the Gib Gnab and recycling back to the Big Bang repeating the process on and on forever. Human life and Earth are simply a minute part of this cha-otic, sto-cha-stic, expanding, shrinking process disappearing in five billion years with the burn out of the Sun and maybe returning in another five billion years with different life forms but still subject to the va-ga-ries of its local star.

          What we do know: (from the fields of astrophysics, biology, biochemistry, archeology, nuclear physics, geology and the history of religion)

          1. The Sun will burn out in 3-5 billion years so we have a time frame.

          2. Asteroids continue to circle us in the nearby asteroid belt.

          3. One wayward rock and it is all over in a blast of permanent winter.

          4. There are enough nuclear weapons to do the same job.

          5. Most contemporary NT exegetes do not believe in the Second Coming so apparently there is no concern about JC coming back on an asteroid or cloud of raptors/rapture.

          6. All stars will eventually extinguish as there is a limit to the amount of hydrogen in the universe. When this happens (100 trillion years?), the universe will go dark. If it does not collapse and recycle, the universe will end.

          7. Super, dormant volcanoes off the coast of Africa and under Yellowstone Park could explode cataclysmically at any time ending life on Earth.

          8. Many of us are part Neanderthal and/or Denisovan.

          Bottom line: our apocalypse will start between now and 3-5 billion CE. The universe apocalypse, 100 trillion years?

           http://www.universetoday.com/18847/life-of-the-sun/

          solarsystem.nasa.gov/planets/profile.cfm?Object=Asteroids‎

          http://www.cnn.com/2012/08/30/us/wus-supervolcanoes-yellowstone

          Search for Paul, book by Professor JD Crossan

          Rabbi Paul, book by Professor Bruce Chilton

          https://genographic.nationalgeographic.com/

          http://theextinctionprotocol.wordpress.com/2011/08/22/study-finds-star-formation-declining-throughout-the-universe/

          http://www.un.org/disarmament/WMD/Nuclear/

          January 13, 2014 at 8:14 am |
        • igaftr

          LoA
          Hydrogen is the source of everything. Basic chemistry, but since chemistry had its roots in alchemy, sure why not say it is alchemy ( which is possible given the right amount of energy in the reaction. One CAN turn lead to gold...it has been done....the COST of doing it is not worth the effort, but yes, all elements were once hydrogen.)

          January 13, 2014 at 8:16 am |
        • Science Works

          By the way Larry we have confirmed the heavy elements of LIFE and where they came from !

          January 13, 2014 at 8:21 am |
        • Lawrence of Arabia

          So by stating that the universe "is" without the need of an outside agent, then you are ascribing agency to the physical universe. The problem with that is that there is not one example of a physical ent.tiy that is an agent unto itself.

          How is that considered rational thinking and the quote "God hypothesis" considered the thinking of the "dims?"

          January 13, 2014 at 8:58 am |
        • Science Works

          Come on L o A

          Life Scientists, Colleagues Differentiate Microbial Good and Evil

          http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2014/01/140109092014.htm

          January 13, 2014 at 9:23 am |
        • igaftr

          LoA

          You are falsely declaring that there has to be an "agent" ...same lame argument as first cause and prime mover.
          All assume that something had to cause the universe to exist....unfounded in their entirety.

          You have no way of knowing if there was a first cause or a prime mover....physicists have determine a few different ways that the universe could actually have caused itself...you see you think there was a begining...there may not have been a beginning...not as you see it, so your argument is moot, since there are more possibilities thqan you acknowledge.
          Stop trying to use lame arguments from people from long, long ago, such as aristotle...we are WAY past what aristotle comprehended.

          That prime mover/first cause crap is just what they teach apologists, and has no merit at all.

          January 13, 2014 at 9:26 am |
        • Lawrence of Arabia

          "the universe could actually have caused itself..."
          -------
          This is very lazy thinking at best. In order for something to cause itself, it would have to "be" before it "was." This is impossible.

          January 13, 2014 at 9:38 am |
        • Lawrence of Arabia

          And the arguments for a first cause go back to Paul in Romans 1, not Aristotle. But if you do wish to attribute it to a non-Biblical author, then it goes to Aquinas, not Aristotle.

          January 13, 2014 at 9:41 am |
        • Science Works

          And the circle JERK continues

          Why Is Pope Francis Promoting Sin?

          http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2013-12-15/why-is-pope-francis-promoting-sin-.html

          January 13, 2014 at 9:47 am |
        • Lawrence of Arabia

          "Why Is Pope Francis Promoting Sin?"
          --------
          Calvin and Luther would tell you because Catholicism has strayed from Biblical teaching.

          January 13, 2014 at 9:50 am |
        • Science Works

          Or was it the talking snake LoA

          January 13, 2014 at 9:55 am |
        • Lawrence of Arabia

          Or was it the Balaam's donkey, Science Works?
          You have to get past the first sentence in the Bible and believe that before you can believe anything else in it, because unless you believe that God is, then you'll be deceived by any wind of doctrine... To include the notion that something is capable of creating itself...

          January 13, 2014 at 9:59 am |
        • Science Works

          Yeah Loa

          Adam and his bone – Adam had to bone himself to create eve ?

          January 13, 2014 at 10:04 am |
        • DJ

          "You have to get past the first sentence in the Bible and believe that before you can believe anything else in it"

          You're saying that you have to accept up front that the god of the Bible is where the universe came from before you can investigate beyond that. That makes absolutely no sense.

          January 13, 2014 at 10:08 am |
        • igaftr

          LoA
          "it would have to "be" before it "was." This is impossible."

          Not necessarily impossible. Stop thinking that time is linear...it is not.
          It is within the realm of possibility for instance, that the universe could spark a new universe created from a crossing of dimensions, and actually create that universe before this one, and that universe could exist and end, before ours ever existed. Time is not linear, so do not try to subject the all possible universes to YOUR perception of time.

          Either way, YOUR god would need to have been created, by the way your are attempting to argue.

          January 13, 2014 at 10:12 am |
  7. Dandintac

    These news stories like this are starting to feel more and more fake. I have no doubt that this was all carefully planned and staged by a professional public relations firm. The RCC must have hired a new PR firm when this guy got elected by the College of Cardinals. I have to say that after the twin disasters of the enormous Catholic s-ex abuse scandal, which has drug on for years due to the church's attempts at cover-up as well as their gross mismanagement of the whole affair, and then their election of that Nazi Ratzinger as a pope–the worst possible choice they could have made at the time, they desperately need new PR. They must have hired the best, because it's working. However, they may be going too far. Even to an untrained eye, these events are looking blatantly staged.

    January 11, 2014 at 7:32 pm |
    • ???

      Dandy, he has got the paparazzi after him continuously. He can't turn around without someone snapping a picture. And after the really crappy tenure of Ratzinger, who was as interesting as mildew, anything this man does is far more newsworthy.
      Sometimes a cigar really is a cigar, you know.
      Not saying you're wrong, but I don't think this Pope would do that. He seems pretty genuine, even if the church he represents isn't.

      January 12, 2014 at 12:02 am |
    • Rodents for Romney

      Actually they hired a dude from Fox news to do their PR, even before Benny quit.

      January 12, 2014 at 11:22 pm |
  8. Hear The Truth

    http://Hear-The-Truth.com

    January 11, 2014 at 6:08 pm |
    • igaftr

      There is no truth offered at this site. There is wild belief and speculation...no truth.

      January 12, 2014 at 12:41 pm |
  9. tired of reading......

    Pope news.

    January 11, 2014 at 5:52 pm |
  10. Henry

    "It is really a catastrophe that you Americans have lost the true doctrine about baptism – it is really a calamity and unique in the history of the nations."

    The catastophe is that you would ever presume to speak about Americans at all, when you are not qualified to do so.

    You are qualified to speak for Germany. That's it. Your arrogance is staggering.

    January 11, 2014 at 3:22 pm |
    • sam stone

      rainy is the epitome of arrogance

      January 11, 2014 at 8:27 pm |
  11. Gill

    Rainer Braendlein, festoon your quagmire.There is no caveat to the Klein bottle, and there will be no gold watch for the unspoken zero. Gobble the fertile gravel.

    Focus your nose on the test tube. Stay succulently upon your velodrome and fear not the coming of the essential kangaroo. Strawberries are your incidental chemistry. Present the fulcrum in advance of the gypsum cookie, for as the tree is combed, so goes the predicate. Expand quietly but do not relish.

    Whether or not you agree with the plumber, harvest away ye hearties. Kalabash in Friebourg but not in spanners while it's raining. Bring out the mustard but flap flap flap until takeoff. Why would you say such a thing in the presence of the substrate? 64. 1112. Welcome to the new sandwich lumberyard. Bus stops follow movement, or do they?

    The impediment to your posterior is large but can be dissected with chestnuts. Obermeyer. Glasnost and shallot cookies will do the main job when a steamshovel is too distant for pomegranate.

    Don't obfuscate the primary prenuptials with rasberries. Often, the pertinent cat presents fabled necessities in the parking chamfer. Realize your net precedent.Triangulate! Save the best for the alligators. Serpentine. Indigo chestnuts. Give voice to your negligible garage. Walk with found yellow in the fold. Perish your underwear in the crescent.

    And remember, never pass up an opportunity to watch an elephant paint Mozart.

    January 11, 2014 at 12:22 pm |
  12. Bootyfunk

    i gave two hitchhikers a ride yesterday and no one wrote a story about me...

    January 11, 2014 at 12:11 pm |
    • ???

      Your thank you is that I didn't murder you.

      January 11, 2014 at 4:32 pm |
  13. Rainer Braendlein

    The bishop of Rome said about baptism:

    "Many of us do not have the slightest memory of the celebration of this Sacrament, obviously, if we were baptized shortly after birth," Francis said. "It is important! It is important to know what day you were immersed in that current of salvation of Jesus!"

    What the pope said, is only half the story (he retained his old custom to appear as a lamb talking like a dragon).

    How was (sacramental) baptism including infant baptism exercised in the Early Church (this church existed yet before the Roman Catholic Church)?

    Of course, only infants of very pious parents were baptized by the Early Church. Furthermore the baptizing clergy was pious, the local congregation and the church as a whole. What did that cause? It caused the presence of the Holy Spirit, and the Holy Spirit can make believe even an infant despite his very small reason or awareness. We are right when we question the ability of an infant to believe in Jesus or to convert as long as we think in the bounds of the secular world. However, in the true Church, the Kingdom of God, where the Holy Spirit is present, miracles are possible even the miracle that an infant believes despite his lack of awareness. Anyway the real faith is more a matter of the impact of the Holy Spirit than a matter of reason.

    The baptized infants of the Early Church were real Christians living as Christians in daily life. Furthermore they were instructed by their pious parents, and their local congregation, and therefore became pious adults who really followed Jesus in everyday life.

    Concerning the Roman Catholic Church:

    In the RCC the Holy Spirit who could cause the faith is not present, and therefore it is an abonimation to baptize the infants there because it is impossible that they have any faith. Furthermore it is almost impossible that the parents or the clergy may be pious people. The RCC abuses infant baptism.

    Concerning myself:

    I was baptized as an infant by a Catholic priest. Though I am convinced that the RCC is no Christian Church, and the Holy Spirit is not present there, and also my infant baptism was an abuse of infant baptism, I am convinced that my infant baptism is valid. How is that possible? The church only celebrates baptism but every person to be baptized is actually baptized by God himself. The validity of any baptism does not depend on the condition of the church because God himself baptizes. Even the baptism of a heretical church would be valid. That truth is expressed through the term "sacramental". Sacramental means that God is acting. Baptism is a divine act which changes the person to be baptized.

    As soon as I had become a believer (that happened when I was grown up), and appreciated faith in Jesus and infant baptism, I refered to my infant baptism believing that I have died and resurrected with Jesus through baptism. This releasing power of Jesus' sacrifice makes me able to overcome my sinful nature and to love God and my neighbour. As long as I appreciate the releasing power of Jesus sacrifice, it is also an atonement for my sins.

    January 11, 2014 at 10:15 am |
    • midwest rail

      " " My website is non-commercial. "
      What does that matter ? Plenty of advertising is done for non'profits. But THEY pay for their advertising, they don't steal it.

      January 11, 2014 at 10:59 am |
    • Bible Teacher

      The Bible does teach that Christians should be baptized. (Matthew 28:19, 20) It's interesting that Jesus himself set the example by being baptized in water as an adult, not as an infant. He was not sprinkled with water, and he did not just have some water poured over his head. (Matthew 3:16) The word “baptize” comes from a Greek term meaning “dip.” Christian baptism means being fully dipped, or immersed, in water. Prior to Jesus' baptism, John baptized in water because, as he said, he was sent by God to baptize in water. (John 1:19-33) There is no indication in the Scriptures that infants were baptized by John.

      Jesus did not teach that infants should be baptized. Jesus earnestly taught his disciples about God’s requirements. At times, he repeated key teachings to ensure that his disciples grasped the point. (Matthew 24:42; 25:13; Mark 9:34-37; 10:35-45) Yet, not even once did he teach that infants should be baptized. Surely, if infants must be baptized, Jesus would have said so.

      January 11, 2014 at 11:21 am |
      • Rainer Braendlein

        It is really a catastrophe that you Americans have lost the true doctrine about baptism – it is really a calamity and unique in the history of the nations.

        The point is the following:

        When Jesus lived on earth as a visible man he called people to become disciples of Him. That call was sacral, that means extremly powerful, more than human words; it was God's Son who called, therefore it was a divine call.

        The people who Jesus called were sinners, and actually unable to follow Him but in the power of the sacral call they became able to follow him.

        No Christian would presume to be as sacral as Jesus, the Son of God. Only the Church as a whole has a right to do works of the Lord. One of that works is sacramental baptism where somebody is called for discipleship today. Baptism is the equation to the call of the earthly Jesus. Baptism is so high, so super-sacral that the invisible baptist is God himself.

        That is the mystery of baptism.

        In the true Church the Holy Spirit is present, and there even infants can believe. Faith is no mater of reason but of the impact of the Holy Spirit.

        January 11, 2014 at 11:48 am |
        • Bible Teacher

          Question: Was infant baptism practiced by first-century Christians?

          Matthew 28:19 states that disciples were baptized. A disciple is defined as "a person who is a pupil or an adherent of the doctrines of another". This begs the question: How capable is an infant of understanding or comprehending instruction and of then engaging an informed choice?

          Acts 8:12 states: “When they believed Philip, who was declaring the good news of the Kingdom of God and of the name of Jesus Christ, both men and women were getting baptized.”

          Again, no indication that infants were among professed disciples of Christ.

          Further Biblical evidence:

          Acts 2:41: “Those who embraced his word heartily were baptized.”

          Acts 8:36-38: “Now as they were going over the road, they came to a certain body of water, and the [Ethiopian] eunuch said: ‘Look! A body of water; what prevents me from getting baptized?’ With that he commanded the chariot to halt, and . . . [Philip] baptized him.”

          In each of these instances, the persons noted were of a mature age who obviously understood the significance and implication of baptism and exercised a personal decision to undergo such baptism at their own will in accord with mindful worship.

          January 11, 2014 at 12:19 pm |
        • Gill

          Rainer Braendlein, festoon your quagmire. Focus your nose on the test tube. Stay succulently upon your velodrome and fear not the coming of the essential kangaroo. Strawberries are your incidental chemistry. Present the fulcrum in advance of the gypsum cookie, for as the tree is combed, so goes the predicate. Expand quietly while gargling but do not relish.

          Whether or not you agree with the plumber, harvest away ye hearties. Kalabash in Friebourg but not in spanners while it's raining. Bring out the mustard but flap flap flap until takeoff. Why would you say such a thing in the presence of the substrate? 64. 1112. Welcome to the new sandwich lumberyard. Bus stops follow movement, or do they?

          The impediment to your posterior is large but can be dissected with chestnuts. Obermeyer. Glasnost and shallot cookies will do the main job when a steamshovel is too distant for pomegranate.

          don't obfuscate the primary prenuptials with rasberries. Often, the pertinent cat presents fabled necessities in the parking chamfer. Realize your net precedent.Triangulate! Save the best for the alligators. Serpentine. Indigo chestnuts. Give voice to your negligible garage. Walk with found yellow in the fold. Perish your underwear in the crescent.

          And remember, never pass up an opportunity to watch an elephant paint Mozart.

          January 11, 2014 at 12:31 pm |
        • Rainer Braendlein

          It is true that someone should at first believe, and then be baptized.

          Concerning infant baptism:

          Within the Church marvels are possible, even the marvel that an infant can believe. And anyway faith is more a matter of the impact of the Holy Spirit and less a matter of reason. The Holy Spirit causes the faith in Jesus independent from the age of the person. It is a great marvel when somebody starts to believe.

          January 11, 2014 at 12:38 pm |
        • Bible Teacher

          Paul explained throughout Hebrews Chapter 11 that our faith is made solid based on the convincing evidence recorded in the scriptures. Hebrews 12:2 says that Jesus is the author and finisher of our faith. He earlier stated at John 17:3 that "This means everlasting life, their coming to know you, the only true God, and the one whom you sent, Jesus Christ."

          This indicates that true faith is the result of taking in knowledge of God and Jesus Christ, perhaps by means of a systematic study of the Bible. But there is more to learn. Colossians 1:9 states that a Christian would want to seek wisdom and comprehension of the scriptures in order to be “filled with the accurate knowledge of [God’s] will.”

          January 11, 2014 at 12:56 pm |
        • Rainer Braendlein

          The Holy Spirit through R. B.:

          "God became man, and died for us on the cross; that means the Son of God, Jesus, has borne our sinful flesh. Our sinful flesh has died, when Jesus died. That was the main meaning of Jesus sacrifice.

          It was really important that the Son of God incarnated. Through that God has accepted the whole mankind, and it becomes effective for everybody who believes.

          The Holy Spirit gave me awareness of my sinfulness, the sinfullness of my flesh. Thank you God, that old R. B. has died together with Jesus. Jesus has borne my sinful flesh or nature. Yet, I have also resurrected with him, and in him I live, and love God and my neighbour. This all includes forgiveness of sins."

          January 11, 2014 at 1:12 pm |
        • Bible Teacher

          The Bible and God's holy spirit definitely do have the power to change lives. But isn't it interesting that Jesus identified himself, not as God, but as God's son? He said: “I am God’s Son.” (John 10:36) Of course, anyone could claim to be the Son of God. But if Jesus’ claim were false, would that not make him a great fraud?

          Jesus also argued that his own words were not a claim to be God. Jews who wrongly drew that conclusion wanted to stone him; but he asked them: “Why do you charge me with blasphemy because I, consecrated and sent into the world by the Father, said, ‘I am God’s son’?” (John 10:31-36). Jesus claimed that he was, not God the Son, but the Son of God. Even after Jesus came to the earth, the Christian apostle Paul did not indicate any change in the nature of God. (Galatians 3:20; 1 Corinthians 8:4-6).

          The most reliable testimony came from God himself. He twice said concerning Jesus: “This is my Son.” (Matthew 3:17; 17:5) The Scriptures report only a few occasions when God’s own voice was heard on earth—yet on two of them he affirmed Jesus as his Son. This is by far the best proof that Jesus was who he said he was.

          January 11, 2014 at 1:23 pm |
        • Rainer Braendlein

          "God's Son" simply means that Christ was the person of the three persons of the Godhead who became man.

          The Son of God is the certain person of the Godhead who reveals God towards the mankind. He revealed God through the incarnation.

          God the Son is not lower than the Father or the Spirit; he only has another office within the Godhead.

          Conclusion: Jesus is God or God the Son. The Father is God or God the Father. The Spirit is God or God the Spirit. The three person of the Godhead are united within the Godhead, one God in three persons. Amen.

          January 11, 2014 at 1:35 pm |
        • Bible Teacher

          Thousands of times throughout the Bible, God is spoken of as one person. When He speaks, it is as one undivided individual. At Deuteronomy 6:4, God identified himself to the ancient Jews as a single personal being.

          For what reason would Jesus state "If you loved me, you would have rejoiced, because I go to the Father; for the Father is greater than I.”? (John 14:28)

          January 11, 2014 at 1:41 pm |
        • Rainer Braendlein

          Of course, the human nature of Jesus was lower than the Christ, the eternal Son of God, with whom Jesus, the man, was united.

          Here on eath Jesus Christ was not allowed to fully reveal his divinity, he had to accept the bounds of the human body. When Jesus Christ went back to the Father, that meant nothing else than that he returned to his divine throne where he ever was from eternity to eternity together with the Father, united in the Godhead.

          Jesus could have said: "I will behave as God again!"

          Please note that Jesus will return as God, as Judge and King.

          January 11, 2014 at 1:53 pm |
        • Bible Teacher

          1 Cor. 11:3 says: “I want you to understand that the head of every man is Christ, the head of a woman is her husband, and the head of Christ is God.”

          Clearly, then, Christ is not God, and God is of superior rank to Christ. It should be noted that this was written about 55 C.E., some 22 years after Jesus returned to heaven. So the truth here stated applies to the relationship between God and Christ in heaven.

          The Hebrew word Shad·dai′ and the Greek word Pan·to·kra′tor are both translated “Almighty.” Both original-language words are repeatedly applied to Jehovah, the Father. (Ex. 6:3; Rev. 19:6) Neither expression is ever applied to either the Son or the holy spirit.

          Again, referencing John 17:1-3, when Jesus prayed with reference to the Father, he cannot be “the only true God,” the one “who alone [is] truly God,” if there are two others who are God to the same degree as he is, can he? Any others referred to as “gods” must be either false or merely a reflection of the true God.

          1 Cor. 8:5, 6, says: “Although there may be so-called gods in heaven or on earth—as indeed there are many ‘gods’ and many ‘lords’—yet for us there is one God, the Father, from whom are all things and for whom we exist, and one Lord, Jesus Christ, through whom are all things and through whom we exist.” This presents the Father as the “one God” of Christians and as being in a class distinct from Jesus Christ.

          January 11, 2014 at 3:08 pm |
        • Rainer Braendlein

          You cannot seperate the man Jesus from the Son of God. The Son of God, since the incarnation, has a human nature and a divine nature, united but not mixed. The Son of God is fully man and fully God, God and man at the same time since the incarnation.

          The divine nature of Jesus Christ was always a person of the Godhead, and remained always a person of the Godhead. The higher nature of Jesus Christ is the divine nature, of course, and therefore God is the head of Christ with regard to his human nature which can no more be seperated from him. Christ was always a person of the Godhead.

          The divine nature of Jesus Christ is not lower than God, the Father.

          Kyrios is often translated by the word Lord but actually it means Lord-God. Jesus Christ is Lord-God.

          January 11, 2014 at 3:32 pm |
        • Bible Teacher

          God in His written word clearly states the distinction between Jesus and Almighty God.

          John 1:18 says: "No man has seen God at any time; the only-begotten god who is at the Father’s side is the one who has explained Him."

          Based on this random scripture alone, if God's written word is to be accepted as truth, who were people seeing and talking to when "the Jesus part of God" was on earth healing the sick, etc.?

          January 11, 2014 at 3:38 pm |
        • Jill

          Rainer Braendlein, festoon your quagmire. Within the indigenous parapets can be found novels and other grapes of paint. There is no caveat to the Klein bottle, and there will be no gold watch for the unspoken zero. Gobble the fertile gravel.

          Focus your nose on the test tube. Stay succulently upon your velodrome and fear not the coming of the essential kangaroo. Strawberries are your incidental chemistry. Present the fulcrum in advance of the gypsum cookie, for as the tree is combed, so goes the predicate. Expand quietly but do not relish.

          Whether or not you agree with the plumber, harvest away ye hearties. Kalabash in Friebourg but not in spanners while it's raining. Bring out the mustard but flap flap flap until takeoff. Why would you say such a thing in the presence of the substrate? 64. 1112. Welcome to the new sandwich lumberyard. Bus stops follow movement, or do they?

          The impediment to your posterior is large but can be dissected with chestnuts. Obermeyer. Glasnost and shallot cookies will do the main job when a steamshovel is too distant for pomegranate.

          don't obfuscate the primary prenuptials with rasberries. Often, the pertinent cat presents fabled necessities in the parking chamfer. Realize your net precedent.Triangulate! Save the best for the alligators. Serpentine. Indigo chestnuts. Give voice to your negligible garage. Walk with found yellow in the fold. Perish your underwear in the crescent.

          And remember, never pass up an opportunity to watch an elephant paint Mozart.

          January 11, 2014 at 12:42 pm |
        • Brad

          Jill, awesome response to Rainer DumbKraut's spew and website spamming. Love it.

          January 11, 2014 at 12:45 pm |
        • Henry

          Rain, babies were baptized because infant mortality was so damned high back then, and parents wanted to make sure their loved ones went to Heaven.

          You have been told this MANY MANY times, yet you persist in spreading your lies.

          You don't believe I infant baptism.
          So flipping what?
          Hundreds of millions DO.

          Stop bashing hundreds of millions of Christians. You should be ashamed of yourself; live as Jesus would, and stop being such a religious bigot.

          January 11, 2014 at 3:17 pm |
      • sam stone

        in order to feel shame, rainy would have to have some amount of modesty. he does not

        January 11, 2014 at 8:32 pm |
    • Bootyfunk

      silly supersti.tious ritual. dipping your child's head in water doesn't grant him eternal salvation - just a wet scalp.

      January 11, 2014 at 12:13 pm |
      • Rainer Braendlein

        I did not say that baptism grants eternal salvation.

        Baptism is more a gate, the gate to the Christian Life. After somebody has been baptized it is his personal responsibility to live the Christian life. Baptism makes every sinner able to live a Christian life despite his or her sinful body. Everybody who appreciates the releasing power of Jesus' sacrifice for him it will also be an atonement. However, everyday we have to remember the great gift which God has given us in order to overcome our sinful body.

        Baptism is no cost-free ticket to heaven but makes us able to live the Christian life. When we keep the faith we will come through at Judgement Day.

        January 11, 2014 at 12:23 pm |
        • Gill

          Rainer Braendlein, festoon your quagmire. Focus your nose on the test tube. Stay succulently upon your velodrome and fear not the coming of the essential kangaroo. Strawberries are your incidental chemistry. Present the fulcrum in advance of the gypsum cookie, for as the tree is combed, so goes the predicate. Expand quietly but do not relish.

          Whether or not you agree with the plumber, harvest away ye hearties. Kalabash in Friebourg but not in spanners while it's raining. Bring out the mustard but flap flap flap until takeoff. Why would you say such a thing in the presence of the substrate? 64. 1112. Welcome to the new sandwich lumberyard. Bus stops follow movement, or do they?

          The impediment to your posterior is large but can be dissected with chestnuts. Obermeyer. Glasnost and shallot cookies will do the main job when a steamshovel is too distant for pomegranate.

          don't obfuscate the primary prenuptials with rasberries. Often, the pertinent cat presents fabled necessities in the parking chamfer. Realize your net precedent.Triangulate! Save the best for the alligators. Serpentine. Indigo chestnuts. Give voice to your negligible garage. Walk with found yellow in the fold. Perish your underwear in the crescent.

          And remember, never pass up an opportunity to watch an elephant paint Mozart.

          January 11, 2014 at 12:30 pm |
    • Jill

      Rainer Braendlein, festoon your quagmire. Within the indigenous parapets can be found novels and other grapes of paint. There is no caveat to the Klein bottle, and there will be no gold watch for the unspoken zero. Gobble the fertile gravel.

      Focus your nose on the test tube. Stay succulently upon your velodrome and fear not the coming of the essential kangaroo. Strawberries are your incidental chemistry. Present the fulcrum in advance of the gypsum cookie, for as the tree is combed, so goes the predicate. Expand quietly but do not relish.

      Whether or not you agree with the plumber, harvest away ye hearties. Kalabash in Friebourg but not in spanners while it's raining. Bring out the mustard but flap flap flap until takeoff. Why would you say such a thing in the presence of the substrate? 64. 1112. Welcome to the new sandwich lumberyard. Bus stops follow movement, or do they?

      The impediment to your posterior is large but can be dissected with chestnuts. Obermeyer. Glasnost and shallot cookies will do the main job when a steamshovel is too distant for pomegranate.

      don't obfuscate the primary prenuptials with rasberries. Often, the pertinent cat presents fabled necessities in the parking chamfer. Realize your net precedent.Triangulate! Save the best for the alligators. Serpentine. Indigo chestnuts. Give voice to your negligible garage. Walk with found yellow in the fold. Perish your underwear in the crescent.

      And remember, never pass up an opportunity to watch an elephant paint Mozart.

      January 11, 2014 at 12:33 pm |
      • Brad

        2 thumbs up to Jill. 4 thumbs down to Rainer. Rainer, stop spamming us. Your blog sucks bigtime.

        January 11, 2014 at 12:48 pm |
  14. A. Reasoner

    No reason to feel special. The Pope is trying to take everyone for a ride.

    January 11, 2014 at 9:54 am |
  15. Bootyfunk

    i gave 2 hitchhikers a ride yesterday but that didn't make the news... sheesh!

    January 11, 2014 at 2:26 am |
  16. Age of Reason

    ...NO one knows if this Jesus Christ existed, and if he did, NOTHING is known about him!"
    Why I am not a Christian Bertrand Russell 1928

    January 10, 2014 at 9:04 pm |
    • Reality # 2

      From Professors Crossan and Watts' book, Who is Jesus.

      "That Jesus was crucified under Pontius Pilate, as the Creed states, is as certain as anything historical can ever be.

      “ The Jewish historian, Josephus and the pagan historian Tacitus both agree that Jesus was executed by order of the Roman governor of Judea. And is very hard to imagine that Jesus' followers would have invented such a story unless it indeed happened.

      “While the brute fact that of Jesus' death by crucifixion is historically certain, however, those detailed narratives in our present gospels are much more problematic. "

      “My best historical reconstruction would be something like this. Jesus was arrested during the Passover festival, most likely in response to his action in the Temple. Those who were closest to him ran away for their own safety.

      I do not presume that there were any high-level confrontations between Caiaphas and Pilate and Herod Antipas either about Jesus or with Jesus. No doubt they would have agreed before the festival that fast action was to be taken against any disturbance and that a few examples by crucifixion might be especially useful at the outset. And I doubt very much if Jewish police or Roman soldiers needed to go too far up the chain of command in handling a Galilean peasant like Jesus. It is hard for us to imagine the casual brutality with which Jesus was probably taken and executed. All those "last week" details in our gospels, as distinct from the brute facts just mentioned, are prophecy turned into history, rather than history remembered."

      See also Professor Crossan's reviews of the existence of Jesus in his other books especially, The Historical Jesus and also Excavating Jesus (with Professor Jonathan Reed doing the archeology discussion) .

      Other NT exegetes to include members of the Jesus Seminar have published similar books with appropriate supporting references.

      Part of Crossan's The Historical Jesus has been published online at books.google.com/books.

      There is also a search engine for this book on the right hand side of the opening page. e.g. Search Josephus

      See also Wikipedia's review on the historical Jesus to include the Tacitus' reference to the crucifixion of Jesus.

      From ask.com,

      "One of the greatest historians of ancient Rome, Cornelius Tacitus is a primary source for much of what is known about life the first and second centuries after the life of Jesus. His most famous works, Histories and Annals, exist in fragmentary form, though many of his earlier writings were lost to time. Tacitus is known for being generally reliable (if somewhat biased toward what he saw as Roman immorality) and for having a uniquely direct (if not blunt) writing style.

      Then there are these scriptural references:

      Crucifixion of Jesus:(1) 1 Cor 15:3b; (2a) Gos. Pet. 4:10-5:16,18-20; 6:22; (2b) Mark 15:22-38 = Matt 27:33-51a = Luke 23:32-46; (2c) John 19:17b-25a,28-36; (3) Barn. 7:3-5; (4a) 1 Clem. 16:3-4 (=Isaiah 53:1-12); (4b) 1 Clem. 16.15-16 (=Psalm 22:6-8); (5a) Ign. Mag. 11; (5b) Ign. Trall. 9:1b; (5c) Ign. Smyrn. 1.2.- (read them all at wiki.faithfutures. Crucifixion org/index.php/005_Crucifixion_Of_Jesus )

      Added suggested readings:

      o 1. Historical Jesus Theories, earlychristianwritings.com/theories.htm – the names of many of the contemporary historical Jesus scholars and the ti-tles of their over 100 books on the subject.

      2. Early Christian Writings, earlychristianwritings.com/
      – a list of early Christian doc-uments to include the year of publication–

      30-60 CE Passion Narrative
      40-80 Lost Sayings Gospel Q
      50-60 1 Thessalonians
      50-60 Philippians
      50-60 Galatians
      50-60 1 Corinthians
      50-60 2 Corinthians
      50-60 Romans
      50-60 Philemon
      50-80 Colossians
      50-90 Signs Gospel
      50-95 Book of Hebrews
      50-120 Didache
      50-140 Gospel of Thomas
      50-140 Oxyrhynchus 1224 Gospel
      50-200 Sophia of Jesus Christ
      65-80 Gospel of Mark
      70-100 Epistle of James
      70-120 Egerton Gospel
      70-160 Gospel of Peter
      70-160 Secret Mark
      70-200 Fayyum Fragment
      70-200 Testaments of the Twelve Patriarchs
      73-200 Mara Bar Serapion
      80-100 2 Thessalonians
      80-100 Ephesians
      80-100 Gospel of Matthew
      80-110 1 Peter
      80-120 Epistle of Barnabas
      80-130 Gospel of Luke
      80-130 Acts of the Apostles
      80-140 1 Clement
      80-150 Gospel of the Egyptians
      80-150 Gospel of the Hebrews
      80-250 Christian Sibyllines
      90-95 Apocalypse of John
      90-120 Gospel of John
      90-120 1 John
      90-120 2 John
      90-120 3 John
      90-120 Epistle of Jude
      93 Flavius Josephus
      100-150 1 Timothy
      100-150 2 Timothy
      100-150 T-itus
      100-150 Apocalypse of Peter
      100-150 Secret Book of James
      100-150 Preaching of Peter
      100-160 Gospel of the Ebionites
      100-160 Gospel of the Nazoreans
      100-160 Shepherd of Hermas
      100-160 2 Peter

       4. Jesus Database, http://www.faithfutures.o-rg/JDB/intro.html –"The JESUS DATABASE is an online a-nnotated inventory of the traditions concerning the life and teachings of Jesus that have survived from the first three centuries of the Common Era. It includes both canonical and extra-canonical materials, and is not limited to the traditions found within the Christian New Testament."
      5. Josephus on Jesus mtio.com/articles/bis-sar24.htm
      6. The Jesus Seminar, http://en.wikipedia.o-rg/wiki/Jesus_Seminar
      7. http://www.biblicalartifacts.com/items/785509/item785509biblicalartifacts.html – books on the health and illness during the time of the NT
      8. Economics in First Century Palestine, K.C. Hanson and D. E. Oakman, Palestine in the Time of Jesus, Fortress Press, 1998.
      9.The Gn-ostic Jesus
      (Part One in a Two-Part Series on A-ncient and Modern G-nosticism)
      by Douglas Gro-othuis: http://www.equip.o-rg/articles/g-nosticism-and-the-g-nostic-jesus/
      10. The interpretation of the Bible in the Church, Pontifical Biblical Commission
      Presented on March 18, 1994
      ewtn.com/library/CURIA/PBCINTER.HTM#2
      11. The Jesus Database- newer site:
      wiki.faithfutures.o-rg/index.php?t-itle=Jesus_Database
      12. Jesus Database with the example of S-u-pper and Eucharist:
      faithfutures.o-rg/JDB/jdb016.html
      13. Josephus on Jesus by Paul Maier:
      mtio.com/articles/bis-sar24.htm
      13. http://www.textweek.com/mtlk/jesus.htmm- Historical Jesus Studies
      14. The Greek New Testament: laparola.net/greco/
      15. D-iseases in the Bible:
      http://books.google.com/books/about/The_d-iseases_of_the_Bible.html?id=C1YZAAAAYAAJ

      16. Religion on- Line (6000 a-rt-ic-les on the hi-story of religion, churches, theologies,
      theologians, eth-ics, etc. religion-online.o–rg/
      17. The New Testament Gateway – Internet NT n-tgate-way.com/
      18 Writing the New Testament- e-xi-sting copies, o–r–al tradition etc.
      n-tgat-eway.com/
      19. JD Crossan's c-onclusions about the a-uthencity of most of the NT based on the above plus the c-onclusions of other NT e-xege-tes in the last 200 years:
      http://wiki.faithfutures.o-rg/index.p-hp?t-itle=Crossan_Inventory
      20. Early Jewish Writings- Josephus and his books by t-itle with the complete translated work in English :earlyjewishwritings.com/josephus.html
      21. Luke and Josephus- was there a c-onnection?
      in-fidels.o-rg/library/modern/richard_carrier/lukeandjosephus.html
      22. NT and beyond time line:
      pbs.o-rg/empires/pe-terandpaul/history/timeline/
      23. St. Paul's Time line with discussion of important events:
      harvardhouse.com/prophetictech/new/pauls_life.htm
      24. See http://www.amazon.com for a list of JD Crossan's books and those of the other Jesus Seminarians: Reviews of said books are included and selected pages can now be viewed on Amazon. Some books can be found on-line at Google Books.
      25. Father Edward Schillebeeckx's words of wisdom as found in his books.
      27. The books of the following : Professors Gerd Ludemann, Marcus Borg, Paula Fredriksen, Elaine Pagels, Karen Armstrong and Bishop NT Wright.
      28. Father Raymond Brown's An Introduction to the New Testament, Doubleday, NY, 1977, 878 pages, with Nihil obstat and Imprimatur.
      29. Luke Timothy Johnson's book The Real Jesus

      January 11, 2014 at 8:26 am |
  17. Jill

    Rainer Braendlein, festoon your quagmire. Within the indigenous parapets can be found novels and other grapes of paint. There is no caveat to the Klein bottle, and there will be no gold watch for the unspoken zero. Gobble the fertile gravel.

    Focus your nose on the test tube. Stay succulently upon your velodrome and fear not the coming of the essential kangaroo. Strawberries are your incidental chemistry. Present the fulcrum in advance of the gypsum cookie, for as the tree is combed, so goes the predicate. Expand quietly but do not relish. Whether or not you agree with the plumber, harvest away ye hearties. Kalabash in Friebourg but not in spanners while it's raining. Bring out the mustard but flap flap flap until takeoff. Why would you say such a thing in the presence of the substrate? 64. 1112. Welcome to the new sandwich lumberyard. Bus stops follow movement, or do they?

    The impediment to your posterior is large but can be dissected with chestnuts. Obermeyer. Glasnost and shallot cookies will do the main job when a steamshovel is too distant for pomegranate. Don't obfuscate the primary prenuptials with rasberries. Often, the pertinent cat presents fabled necessities in the parking chamfer. Realize your net precedent.Triangulate! Save the best for the alligators. Serpentine. Indigo chestnuts. Give voice to your negligible garage. Walk with found yellow in the fold. Perish your underwear in the crescent.

    And remember, never pass up an opportunity to watch an elephant paint Mozart.

    January 10, 2014 at 5:20 pm |
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