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Supreme Court to hear abortion clinic case
The Supreme Court hears a contentious case about abortion clinics on Wednesday.
January 15th, 2014
09:50 AM ET

Supreme Court to hear abortion clinic case

By Bill Mears, CNN

Boston (CNN) - Outside the Planned Parenthood Clinic in Boston on a recent winter day are the regulars - a small, devoted team of anti-abortion activists, handing out fliers and urging patrons to hear their message: "Save that child." "Every life is precious, protect that life within you." "Please change your mind." Several people pray silently nearby.

Clearly marked on the sidewalk, nearly 12 yards from the front doors, is a painted boundary, a line the protesters cannot cross. By state law, their First Amendment rights stop there.

A metaphoric line - testing the competing limits of what has become a constitutional fight between free speech and public safety - will now be surveyed by the nation's highest court.

The justices on Wednesday will step back into the larger national debate on abortion, when it holds oral arguments on a challenge to a Massachusetts law that established tighter buffer zones around facilities that perform the procedure.

FULL STORY
- CNN Belief Blog

Filed under: Abortion • Courts • Culture wars • Ethics • Women

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  1. Double Standards

    When the issue of God's Old Testament slaughters, natural disasters, and the fact that he will kill everyone comes up, Christians tend to say that life is meaningless to god, that what matters is the afterlife.

    When the issue of abortion comes up, suddenly it changes to horrible murder.

    January 16, 2014 at 11:21 am |
    • Kelly

      When God does it, it's not murder, it's justice. Isn't that what they say?

      January 16, 2014 at 11:27 am |
      • Ken

        To them, one ant killing another ant is murder, but when the gardener sprays the whole nest it's just the routine removal of a pest.

        January 16, 2014 at 11:41 am |
    • Yup

      From a theological perspective, God created a plan way back when it started, knowing everything that will ever happen right through to the end. Which means it cannot be changed. So everything must happen according to that plan, and everyone must do what was programmed right at the beginning.

      So everyone is doing exactly what God planned. God planned the abortions and everything else. A person cannot have free will if God is omnipotent and omniscient. One can only have the illusion of free will.

      January 16, 2014 at 11:40 am |
      • Nope

        Just beacuse he knows what you will do, that does not mean it isn't still your choice.

        January 16, 2014 at 12:32 pm |
        • igaftr

          If there is no way to choose away from the alleged predesestined choice, it is not a choice.

          January 16, 2014 at 12:34 pm |
        • Joey

          What Christians describe as free will is actually the illusion of free will. If god knows what you will choose and can't be wrong then it may seem like you a choosing, but the choice has already been made for you.

          January 16, 2014 at 12:58 pm |
        • Nope

          wrong again. IF (note the emphasis) the biblical god does exist and knows everthing, we still have the choice.
          It is not a fact it is going to happen until it does.
          It is not predesestined and no one made the choice for you.
          IF god and I both know the sun will rise tomorrow, that does not cause it to happen.

          January 16, 2014 at 4:04 pm |
        • Ben

          Nope
          Many Christians believe that God only chooses certain people to "reveal" himself to, through miracles and answered prayers. If he exists, and specifically gives only certain people this special knowledge of himself, isn't that skewing people's free will?

          January 16, 2014 at 4:47 pm |
        • sam stone

          That is exactly what it means

          Here is a simple example:

          If I apparently have two choices, A or B, and god KNOWS that i am going to choose B, what are the chances that I am going to choose A and prove god wrong?

          Zero

          Hence, no free will

          January 17, 2014 at 8:48 am |
        • Joey

          Exactly Sam. Why is this so hard for Christians to understand?

          January 17, 2014 at 12:13 pm |
        • sam stone

          joey: ba that is why they refuse to answer that direct question. instead they try to redirect the conversation with biblical or non biblical bafflegab. larry of arabia does this all the time ..."if you want addional view on this, read this, or read that"

          it is disengenuous, and may fool the members of their cult, but no one else

          January 18, 2014 at 5:29 am |
  2. Rock and roll!! Tear up those hotel wombs!!

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    January 16, 2014 at 9:04 am |
  3. The court looks a bit too happy in their usurping robes and role. Rock and roll!

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    January 16, 2014 at 8:54 am |
  4. Tom, Tom, the Other One

    Russ: " a theist recognizes God-given value to life which is unassailable by pragmatic arguments (you are making teleological arguments in a deontological system). as such, for Christians, when human authority goes against what God has commanded, "we must obey God, not men" (Acts 5:29)."

    The "God-given value" actually comes from our expectations. The actual God, should it exist (it's not evident in this world), has not provided a basis for how people should act. What ought to be so is determined by the consequences we can reliably expect from our actions.

    January 16, 2014 at 8:15 am |
    • RB

      Tom, I liked your idea yesterday of more contraception and education. The best contraception is to obey God and not commit adultery, but if you must yield to this temptation, please protect yourself and each other. Even if both use contraception pregnancy can still occur, so the best prevention is abstinence. I personally don’t know anyone who is pro-abortion. I guess that is why they call it pro-choice instead.

      January 16, 2014 at 10:39 am |
      • Ben

        Many Christians believe that God tells them to reproduce as often as possible, so isn't that contrary to any idea of family planning?

        January 16, 2014 at 11:38 am |
        • RB

          Simply put, don't commit adultery and you won't have to decide whether to commit murder, or not. If you must commit adultery protect each other.

          January 16, 2014 at 1:13 pm |
        • Ben

          RB
          I can't believe that I need to point this out, but not everyone who has an abortion got pregnant through adultery. There are even happily married couples who decide not to carry forward a particular pregnancy.

          A fetus requires a woman host in order to develop, right? Perhaps the best use for anti-choice funds would be in developing a medical technique for transplanting fetuses into willing hosts, or is it more important to keep shaming women as a means of controlling them and giving the faithful some cause to be united under?

          January 16, 2014 at 1:50 pm |
        • RB

          It is true that everyone who gets an abortion did not commit adultery. However, 83% of abortions are obtained by unmarried women. http://www.prochoice.org/about_abortion/facts/women_who.html

          Education and contraception would be a good use of funds to reduce abortions in the current legal climate. I would feel better about the whole thing if we could just get to the safe, legal, and rare idea that Clinton proposed back in the 90’s. The problem is that it is safe, legal, and very common.

          January 16, 2014 at 3:19 pm |
        • Ben

          RB
          And there are a sizeable number of single women who choose to be unmarried mothers.

          The problem of it being common appears to be the result of improper, or non use of contraception, correct? Now, whose blame would that be?

          January 16, 2014 at 4:41 pm |
  5. Science Works

    BUT will CNN cover the BIG story !

    UN panel confronts Vatican on child se-x abuse by clergy

    Archbishop Silvano Tomasi: "We are committed to holding inviolable the dignity ... of every child"

    http://religion.blogs.cnn.com/2014/01/15/supreme-court-to-hear-abortion-clinic-case/comment-page-3/#comment-2885555

    January 16, 2014 at 8:14 am |
    • Science Works

      Correct source below

      http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-25748952

      January 16, 2014 at 8:16 am |
  6. Decibels

    "...testing the competing limits of what has become a const1tutional fight between free speech and public safety – will now be surveyed by the nation's highest court."

    We cannot agree any more, hearing voices saying, " Save that child." "Every life is precious, protect that life within you." "Please change your mind" or praying silently as a group is definitely a cause of great concern when it comes to public safety.

    Lending a soft voice to the unborn is a great public safety risk to the born!

    January 16, 2014 at 8:02 am |
    • Lawrence of Arabia

      Indeed. And my question is, who will step up and be the William Wilberforce of today?

      January 16, 2014 at 8:13 am |
      • Robertson

        Christians need to pray, churches need to speak more about the issue of abortion to its congregants and encourage its members to not let matters get to a point where this difficult decision needs to be made.

        Prevention is better that cure, although cure in this case, sadly happens to be the life of another human being.

        January 16, 2014 at 8:31 am |
        • Ben

          Even if a fetus was recognized as a human being with rights equal to your own, would it have the right to force anyone to provide it life support? Do you? Even if you just need a blood transfusion to live, and only one other person is available with your rare type, nobody can force them to save you, so why should the law be different in this instance?

          January 16, 2014 at 10:27 am |
        • .

          Apples and oranges

          January 16, 2014 at 10:30 am |
        • Ben

          *
          Whose apples and oranges?

          January 16, 2014 at 1:51 pm |
    • Kelly

      This is a case of free speech; they're not going to argue the legality of abortion. Just how close they can get to...'voice' their disapproval.'

      January 16, 2014 at 11:07 am |
  7. Good News

    On the story, people that cannot mind their own business on what a woman can do with her own body will never stop trying to interfere, too bad they will never butt out.
    CNN never covers the good news stories about the RCC. For example, another 10 catholic schools closing down in western NY because of a decreasing demand, love it. Nation wide attendance at RCC schools is down 25% and RCC school closings are at 26%, very good news.
    PS: In Europe the numbers are even larger, you can pick up a fixer upper old RCC church for almost nothing, secular evolution at work.

    January 16, 2014 at 7:13 am |
    • Science Works

      Was at a funeral service at a catholic church the other day and graduating class of 2012 was 2 .

      January 16, 2014 at 7:40 am |
    • Ja, SS is in charge of marital relationships.

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      January 16, 2014 at 7:47 am |
      • Science Works

        And federal judge ruled Oklahoma same se-x marriage ban unconsti-tutional. lol??

        January 16, 2014 at 8:10 am |
    • Lawrence of Arabia

      "On the story, people that cannot mind their own business on what a woman can do with her own body will never stop trying to interfere, too bad they will never butt out."
      --------
      Mind their own business while children are being murdered by their own mothers??? Sir, you have a very shallow sense of morality.

      January 16, 2014 at 8:24 am |
      • Good News

        Larry
        Your definition of a baby is only shared by your delusional brethren. BTW when your interfering god causes a miscarriage is that also murder? You are absurd.

        January 16, 2014 at 8:30 am |
        • Lawrence of Arabia

          Romans 1:32 – ...although they know the ordinance of God, that those who practice such things are worthy of death, they not only do the same, but also give hearty approval to those who practice them.

          Romans 2:5-8 – But because of your stubbornness and unrepentant heart you are storing up wrath for yourself in the day of wrath and revelation of the righteous judgment of God, who will render to each person according to his deeds: to those who by perseverance in doing good seek for glory and honor and immortality, eternal life; but to those who are selfishly ambitious and do not obey the truth, but obey unrighteousness, wrath and indignation.

          January 16, 2014 at 8:40 am |
        • igaftr

          LoA
          Trying to legislate from your bible should be a criminal offence.
          Shove your biblical "morality", since you are just picking and choosing anyway.

          January 16, 2014 at 8:51 am |
        • Lawrence of Arabia

          IGAFTR,
          Without the Bible, there is no morality. Only with the existence of God is there a standard to judge right and wrong. If there is no God, then all judgments of "right" and "wrong" are merely opinions.

          January 16, 2014 at 9:00 am |
        • Science Works

          LoA get a clue the bible is BS and morals do not come from the bible.

          January 16, 2014 at 9:04 am |
        • JWT

          If you feel that your version of the bible says abortion is ok then don;t have one. The bible is meaningless to everyone else.

          January 16, 2014 at 9:10 am |
        • Lawrence of Arabia

          "The bible is meaningless to everyone else."
          -------
          Yep, right up until Revelation 20:11-15. Some things are real whether you choose to believe in them or not.

          January 16, 2014 at 9:13 am |
        • JWT

          That's what I said – meaningless.

          January 16, 2014 at 9:31 am |
        • Madtown

          Without the Bible, there is no morality. Only with the existence of God is there a standard to judge right and wrong
          -------
          These 2 sentences are independent and unrelated. Human beings wrote the bible. If you refer to it as a source of morality, all you are doing is extending the moral concepts of the human authors to yourself. If God exists, he very likely isn't described accurately by christianity. "God" does not equal "christian God".

          January 16, 2014 at 9:38 am |
        • Lawrence of Arabia

          "If God exists, he very likely isn't described accurately by christianity"
          -------–
          I'm sorry, but if you wish to submit an opinion, there's a 2 week waiting period and a $20 processing fee.

          January 16, 2014 at 9:45 am |
        • Madtown

          there's a 2 week waiting period and a $20 processing fee.
          ----
          😉 I trust you've submitted yours then? Probably several times over, as ever post of yours is opinion(as with most everyone else here).

          January 16, 2014 at 9:56 am |
        • tallulah13

          Uh, Larry? You do realize that every statement you make about your god is also an opinion?

          January 16, 2014 at 9:57 am |
        • igaftr

          LoA
          "Without the Bible, there is no morality"
          Flat out lie. There are MANY people who are quite moral who have never seen your bible.

          Morality was , and was written in the bible. You have the cart before the horse there.
          No reason for you to lie so blatently.

          January 16, 2014 at 10:04 am |
      • Science Works

        Well it sure does not look like the church/bible teaches good morals – see above post about the UN Larry .

        January 16, 2014 at 8:32 am |
      • Brother Maynard

        LA
        I still do not see why you are so upset by this.
        These children are in heaven, in the arms of Jesus. You are condemning the women that gave their child to Jesus, sparring them the pain of everyday life.
        Why are you so upset ?

        January 16, 2014 at 9:04 am |
        • Lawrence of Arabia

          Because they were children... And their mothers are guilty of murder.
          Murder doesn't upset you?

          January 16, 2014 at 9:10 am |
        • Brother Maynard

          So murdered people do not go to heaven?

          January 16, 2014 at 9:17 am |
        • Lawrence of Arabia

          "So murdered people do not go to heaven?"
          -------
          I didn't say that. What I said was that the mothers are guilty of murder. Whether or not a murdered person goes to heaven has no bearing on those who committed the crime.

          Genesis 9:6 – Whoever sheds man’s blood, by man his blood shall be shed, for in the image of God He made man.

          Capital punishment for murderers is the will of God. ("Shedding blood" being a Hebraism for murder)

          January 16, 2014 at 9:21 am |
        • Lawrence of Arabia

          Excuse me... "Hebraism for killing"

          January 16, 2014 at 9:22 am |
        • Brother Maynard

          Got it
          So why are all the protesters attempting to "Save the life of the Child" ?

          January 16, 2014 at 9:33 am |
        • Lawrence of Arabia

          "So why are all the protesters attempting to "Save the life of the Child" ?"
          -------–
          To prevent the murder of innocent children...

          January 16, 2014 at 9:36 am |
        • Brother Maynard

          You don't get it ... these children are going to heaven!!
          What is better than that? It is a free pass void of the pain of life, straight to heaven.
          You keep stating life is presious ... but really in the world of the xtian .. life is ONLY presious as a means to the AFTER life. These babies bypass life and go directly to the AFTER life. Having life is a gamble to hell. Abortion has cheated hell.

          January 16, 2014 at 9:40 am |
        • Lawrence of Arabia

          Maynard,
          So mass killings in a school is tragic, but done in utero is fine? What drives the distinction? They're both children...

          January 16, 2014 at 9:42 am |
        • Brother Maynard

          Excellent question !!
          So the method that an individual goes to heaven is MORE important than going to heaven.
          I've heard many preachers give comfort to parents of slain children by saying
          "This is the will of God" or " God needed a ballet dancer; football quarterback; whatever in heaven "
          This is the issue with the AFTER life.
          IF there is an AFTER life ... AND this AFTER life is good to go to ( heaven in the case of these children ) WHY is it a tragedy that they are there? Xtians should be rejoicing for these children.

          January 16, 2014 at 9:54 am |
        • igaftr

          LoA
          "To prevent the murder of innocent children"

          but according to you, the children are not innocent, and are sinners.

          What an immoral religion you have there.

          January 16, 2014 at 10:43 am |
        • No Evidence

          "What an immoral religion you have there"

          Not to mention self contradicting.

          January 16, 2014 at 10:53 am |
        • lngtrmthnkr

          Bro, you have a point but what you miss is that by taking this life before it can develop and grow into an adult, you have robbed it of it's chance to grow as a person and to interact with others to fulfill his purpose and to complete whatever his mission was . By removing one piece of the puzzle you have changed the out look for success in many lives,a ripple effect occurs.

          January 16, 2014 at 11:11 am |
        • Brother Maynard

          "you have robbed it of it's chance to grow as a person and to interact with others to fulfill his purpose and to complete whatever his mission was ."
          again excellent point
          Now .. Let's assume that the persons 'purpose' is to do good in the world. Where where that person end up at the end of life? Heaven right ? So really we have not denied that person anything.
          Now .. Lets assume that the persons 'purpose' is to do evil in the world. By denying him/ her life ... we have saved the evil that he /she would do on earth AND that person is in heaven. Again NOT denyingy that person anything.
          AGAIN ... the problem is the concept of AFTER life. Because of the existance of the AFTER life it makes this life meaningless.

          January 16, 2014 at 11:21 am |
        • sam stone

          larry.....i think you should start pestering the local po-leese about all those murders. see how far that gets you

          January 16, 2014 at 5:02 pm |
      • Ben

        Lawrence
        Would you require a mother to provide life support for her child after they are born? If it were possible to hook parents up to their premies in order to keep them alive that would still be the parent's decision to do that, correct? Nobody could force them any more than anyone can force you to save your own brother with a kidney transplant. You may free do so, and it may not even occur to you to refuse, but that would be your personal choices.

        January 16, 2014 at 11:32 am |
  8. Women need to be taught to love their hubbies and kids.

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    January 16, 2014 at 7:09 am |
    • midwest rail

      Says the belief blog's most prolific, proven liar.

      January 16, 2014 at 7:14 am |
  9. No Safe Houses for children when SCOTUS is in Session.

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    January 16, 2014 at 6:51 am |
    • midwest rail

      What a nitwit. Posts a tearful goodbye to the belief blog, then changes names and posts the same tired drivel. And pretends it isn't him. Hilarious, lol??.

      January 16, 2014 at 6:57 am |
      • lngtrmthnkr

        Rail, Some people post on this site trying to poison the well of sincere discussion, some succede

        January 16, 2014 at 11:15 am |
  10. Anonymous

    u got it. blacks think they 2 is humans. do gooder northerners! abolitionists don't take blacks in and take care of em. lilly bell

    January 16, 2014 at 5:46 am |
  11. 00 00

    nope. sorry. xs up.

    the answer is, the pharisees murdered god because they were jealous.

    January 16, 2014 at 5:34 am |
    • No Evidence

      Actually, no, god is just your imagination.

      January 16, 2014 at 7:32 am |
  12. o

    Evil wants a buffer zone
    so the sin can grow

    January 16, 2014 at 2:50 am |
  13. Reality # 2

    Choice? Make the right one before intercourse !!!!!!

    January 15, 2014 at 11:54 pm |
    • Reality # 2

      See added details under "The Brutal Effects of Stupidity" on page one.

      January 15, 2014 at 11:58 pm |
  14. Ken Margo

    To the christians out there:

    1) If in the future you could tell if a baby will be gay BEFORE it's born. Would you still be against abortion?
    2) Will you give the child the same rights as others (marriage)
    3) will you still state that the child is a gift from god or is in the image of god?

    January 15, 2014 at 10:44 pm |
    • niknak

      You need to preface it by race Mango.
      IF it is lily white, then 2 and 3 are a yes.
      1 is only a yes if they can put it thru gender training school.

      But if the kid in not lily white, or is not fundie xtian, then all bets are off.

      January 15, 2014 at 10:48 pm |
      • Ken Margo

        Christians hate gays no matter the race. They're consistant like that.

        January 15, 2014 at 10:51 pm |
        • Someone's Judy

          Horse hockey. Stop generalizing.

          January 16, 2014 at 12:08 am |
        • lngtrmthnkr

          sorry Ken , I had 2 gay bros and loved them very much and am a Christian.

          January 16, 2014 at 11:20 am |
        • Ben

          lngtrmthnkr
          But did you think they were sinners when they had relationships? There's love, and there's acceptance. If your brothers were autistic, would you get frustrated with them for not acting "normally"?

          January 16, 2014 at 11:51 am |
        • Ken Margo

          @Someone's Judy............

          Who is leading the charge against gay marriage? Catholic church, Christians, conservatives or whatever you want to call them!
          Republicans supported by Catholic church, Christians, conservatives or whatever you want to call them!

          Need I go on?

          January 16, 2014 at 3:03 pm |
        • Ken Margo

          @lngtrmthnkr...........

          Relatives are one thing. Strangers are another.

          January 16, 2014 at 3:05 pm |
    • Live4Him

      This is the logic fallacy called 'Complex Question'.

      January 16, 2014 at 11:15 am |
      • Alias

        And you NEVER ask a series of loaded questions!
        HAHAHAHHAHAHAAA~!

        January 16, 2014 at 3:52 pm |
  15. niknak

    "Every life is precious," the right to life woman said.
    That is until it is born.
    Then they vote to cut off neonatal care, all food, education, job training and then can't wait for that baby to commit a crime so they can make money off it in the paid for prison run by the xtian fundies and then use the death penalty on it.

    Ah Amurika, the land of the sheep.

    January 15, 2014 at 10:41 pm |
    • patti whack

      i enjoy abortions. knowing that thing is prolly gunna be straight, i get a kick when they razor her a slit the back of her neck, push and twist. blood a gushin. serves her right

      January 16, 2014 at 5:41 am |
  16. Alias

    I hate to change the topic or anything, but this is about the limits of free speach.

    January 15, 2014 at 10:34 pm |
    • Anonymous

      I know, right? Do you think they're being infringed upon?

      January 15, 2014 at 10:39 pm |
      • Alias

        Nope. you have the right to say whatever you think is true.
        you do not have the right to infringe on other people's rights.

        January 15, 2014 at 10:41 pm |
        • niknak

          How about shooting them?
          Seems to work for your religious people, which is why they have the issue of getting to close to the clinic in the first place.

          January 15, 2014 at 10:43 pm |
        • Anonymous

          That's my take on it, as well. They want the barrier removed so they can harass closer.

          January 15, 2014 at 10:50 pm |
        • Alias

          Sooner or later somone like me is going to print pamplets showing some of the things that are wrong with the bible and christian philosophy. I'm going to bet they look at things differently when my pamplet gets handed out door to door and we start harrassing them when they go to church.

          January 15, 2014 at 10:53 pm |
        • niknak

          Sorry Alias, I read your post to quickly and took you for a fundie.

          If you did that, I can guarantee that you would make Fox news/GOP echo chamber the next minute.
          They would be up in arms, spouting the war on xtians/xmas and you would be vilified to no end.
          And told you were going to hell too.

          January 15, 2014 at 10:57 pm |
        • Alias

          How about this:
          what if all the women entering the clinic went up to the protesters and said, "I'm just here for an ultrasound, but thanks for caring. I'll look for you at church on Sunday."

          January 15, 2014 at 11:01 pm |
        • Ben

          Alias
          "Nope. you have the right to say whatever you think is true."
          Up until it becomes hate speech, right? Is it reasonable to assume that such speech incites violence against abortion providers?

          January 16, 2014 at 11:54 am |
        • Alias

          @Dumbass Ben
          That was an answer to a question, not a general statement.
          Grow some brain cells and keep things in proper context.

          January 16, 2014 at 3:49 pm |
        • Ken Margo

          Alias

          How about this:
          what if all the women entering the clinic went up to the protesters and said, "I'm just here for an ultrasound, but thanks for caring. I'll look for you at church on Sunday."

          That is the best response I've heard. Simple and great. You should ma.ss email that solution to abortion clinics!

          January 17, 2014 at 3:30 pm |
  17. Rodents for Romney

    It's somewhat irrelevant.
    1. PP does a LOT more for women, (routine healthcare) than just abortions. No one can possibly know which one to harass at the entrance. They are making fools of themselves.
    2. The new PP clinics are being designed so no one except patients can get anywhere near. They have high walls and parking INSIDE the grounds.
    3. A clump of cells, with no neural tube is not a baby, or a person. It's a potential person. So is a sperm cell.

    January 15, 2014 at 10:27 pm |
    • AtheistSteve

      It's actually much worse than that. Pro life groups, if they had their way, would choose to have abortions made illegal. I find it curious that they are so eager to protect the rights of the unborn but once the child is born they're on their own.
      By favoring the rights of a parasitic lifeform growing inside the womb over the mothers right to autonomy. Let's put this into perspective shall we? Suppose a two year old will die unless the mother(the only possible donor) donates an organ. Would we force the mother to give the organ? No? Why not? At least in this case the two year old is a bonafide person. Because no persons right to autonomy can be usurped by another. Yet in the case of an undeveloped, non-viable parasitic growth we somehow want to make a special exception to award rights that supercede the mothers rights to her organs. There is a serious double standard going on here.

      January 15, 2014 at 10:50 pm |
  18. AtheistSteve

    The abortion issue again...sheeesh.
    Get over it. Roe v Wade...you lost. Abortion is legal and despite how much some may object you simply don't get to impose your will on others who are acting within the law. Don't like it...change the law. Until then you're just SOL.
    Beside harassing people at the doorway of a clinic is the lazy way address the problem. You want to stop or at the very least drastically reduce abortions then do something useful in the community to educate and prepare children BEFORE they get an unwanted pregnancy. Not hijacking their wombs afterward because you allowed the parents, schools and heath care systems to ignore them.
    Hypocrites.

    January 15, 2014 at 10:21 pm |
    • niknak

      They will never ever get over it Steve.
      The fundies want us to be a conservative xtian military state run by pasty faced old white men.
      A xtian Saudi Arabia.

      And they can't wait to use their guns to go out and kill in the name of their loving god.
      Stand your ground laws really mean legally shoot black people.

      January 15, 2014 at 10:46 pm |
      • AtheistSteve

        Or gays, or atheists, or movie texters.

        January 15, 2014 at 10:51 pm |
        • niknak

          Yeah, but how about being gay, black, atheist and a movie texter?
          Man, your days would be numbered for sure around a fundie.

          January 15, 2014 at 10:54 pm |
        • Prohibited basis

          Nik, how come you recognize it's not ok to judge someone based on race and orientation and yet you still think it is ok to judge someone based on religion.

          January 16, 2014 at 5:47 am |
        • AtheistSteve

          "Nik, how come you recognize it's not ok to judge someone based on race and orientation and yet you still think it is ok to judge someone based on religion."

          Category error Prohibited basis.
          If you attack someone because of the color of their skin(something they cannot control) or their orientation(something they also cannot control<cue stupid religious objection) just how does that compare to attacking someones ideas(religion...something that is freely chosen)?

          January 16, 2014 at 3:39 pm |
      • Ben

        Have you guys read Christian Nation by Frederic C. Rich? A lot too legalistic, but plenty scary. He should write a companion novel from the point of view of an average evangelical. It would be good for them to see how much they wouldn't actually enjoy their own idea of a utopia.

        January 16, 2014 at 12:05 pm |
  19. Age of Reason

    ...it is a legal and moral right for a woman to perform an abortion on an unwanted fetus! If GOD (whatever that is) cares so much for his little money making babies (catholic or otherwise), then he can stop the abortions! If not, then don't call him GOD!

    ....and as for this "jesus" character, he NEVER existed anyway and DO NOT believe in him!

    January 15, 2014 at 8:22 pm |
    • Austin

      the new testament is the new promise of Salvation. The Holy Spirit is a sanctifying spirit that bears the truth of God's word.

      Romans 5:8 (New International Version)
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      8 But God demonstrates his own love for us in this: While we were still sinners, Christ died for us.

      January 15, 2014 at 8:45 pm |
      • Anonymous

        Another completely irrelevant post.

        January 15, 2014 at 9:33 pm |
        • sam stone

          Wow, Austin, a promise made by iron age man. you don't get no more iron clad than that

          January 16, 2014 at 5:55 am |
      • Rodents for Romney

        Really ? That must be why so many millions of babies starved to death last year. Real loving god ya got there.
        But by all means, keep quoting irrelevant 2000 year old cooked-up books and keep trying to sell your cult.

        January 15, 2014 at 10:22 pm |
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