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January 19th, 2014
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  1. Batsh!t Crazy stuff still going on ?

    [youtube=https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pTiGtIlMFSI&w=640&h=360]

    January 21, 2014 at 9:48 am |
  2. Doc Vestibule

    Because they tend to dismiss the deuterocanonical texts, American Protestants aren't as prepared as Catholics in the event of demonic possession.
    In the Book of Tobit, the ever so helpful Angel Azariah instructs a young fisherman in the many uses of ichthyan entrails, like direct ocular application of the gall bladder to cure glaucoma.
    Azariah also gives a simple home remedy for all manner of evil spirit infestation!
    Simply burn the fish's heart and liver on an altar and the smoke will drive out any demons in the vicinity.

    Burning fish guts – for simple, effective relief from even the most stubborn demon.
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    Get brand name organs at discount prices!
    But wait.... there's more!
    Order in the next 30 minutes and I'll throw in a 12 oz. bag of ram's blood – **absolutely free**
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    January 21, 2014 at 9:21 am |
    • Alias

      THE 800 NUMBER!
      THE 800 NUMBER!
      YOU DIDN'T GIVE US THE 800 NUMBER! HOW CAN I ORDER 2!!!!!!!!

      January 21, 2014 at 10:42 am |
    • doobzz

      Heck, I can go to 99 Ranch and get all the fish guts I can carry for a couple of bucks. Wanna start a religion with me?

      January 21, 2014 at 11:21 am |
  3. Dyslexic doG

    more proof that all religion is just primitive voodoo.

    January 21, 2014 at 9:10 am |
    • Alias

      Not true.
      Some of them are not ancient.
      (Scientology – I'm talking to you!)

      January 21, 2014 at 10:46 am |
      • Dyslexic doG

        I stand corrected
        (Alias – I'm talking to you!)

        January 21, 2014 at 11:02 am |
  4. Reverse excorcism

    How many evil spirits can you host in your body before you have problems? I want to see it like when twenty students fit in one phone booth. Can someone's right leg function as a clown car for ticked off angels? You take off your shoe and one by one they all climb out of your sock.

    January 20, 2014 at 7:40 pm |
    • Anthony Crispino

      Does a reverse excorcism save you dough in the long run over the regular kind? Sometimes I think my nephew Toolie needs one, but hey, who's can afford anything these days.

      January 21, 2014 at 8:50 am |
  5. Sunflower

    Job security.

    January 20, 2014 at 6:43 pm |
  6. Bootyfunk

    exorcism has historically been performed on people mentally challenged.
    people didn't understand and thought they were possessed by a demon.
    sadly, the history of exorcism has been mental and physical abuse to the mentally challenged.
    we understand mental illness better these days.
    today, it's just the religious kooks that continue this awful practice of mental and physical torture:

    kids killed in exorcism?
    http://www.cnn.com/2014/01/19/justice/maryland-exorcism-deaths/index.html?hpt=hp_bn1
    http://www.foxnews.com/us/2011/05/31/indiana-mother-convicted-murder-killing-son-exorcism/
    http://abcnews.go.com/US/nantucket-massachusetts-mom-accused-killing-toddler-daughter-exorcism/story?id=13158775

    January 20, 2014 at 6:20 pm |
    • Why is it

      I think a lot more people have been killed by drunk drivers, are you going to protest beer next?

      January 20, 2014 at 6:23 pm |
      • In Santa we trust

        There's no comparison. We know that alcohol exists and that impaired drivers cause accidents. There is no evidence of demons or therefore that an exorcism can rid one of anything (apart from the fee).

        January 20, 2014 at 6:29 pm |
        • Why is it

          Makes a protest about it even more useless because now you are protesting someone's "alleged" altered state.

          January 20, 2014 at 6:31 pm |
        • In Santa we trust

          Some people find astrology harmless fun but others take it very seriously and make life decisions based upon the alleged influence that the position of the various bodies in the visible universe has on their fortunes. If you're advocating that exorcism is something to fill your leisure time – have at it, there's no evidence that demons exist so if someone has mental problems wouldn't you agree that medical treatment is better than arbitrary spells?

          January 20, 2014 at 6:56 pm |
        • In Santa we trust

          Some people find astrology harmless fun but others take it very seriously and make life decisions based upon the alleged influence that the position of the various bodies in the visible universe has on their fortunes. If you're advocating that exorcism is something to fill your leisure time – have at it, but there's no evidence that demons exist so if someone has mental problems wouldn't you agree that medical treatment is better than arbitrary spells?

          January 20, 2014 at 6:58 pm |
        • Why is it

          Yes, I would agree that medical treatment is preferable to arbitrary spells and also more likely to be covered by insurance. I don't however think that there is room to protest recreational palmistry, exorcisms, chakra alignments or the morning horoscope as if someone takes it to base their life decisions then it is their own mindset that drove them to it. If not the eight ball perhaps the wording on the back of bran flakes. The point is you can't make someone else's mind up.

          January 20, 2014 at 7:30 pm |
        • Bootyfunk

          so you're argument is that because we can't stop drunk drivers we shouldn't try to stop physically harmful exorcisms...?

          January 21, 2014 at 2:44 am |
        • Why is it?

          Booty, no what I am saying is it would be difficult to prove an exorcism took place. For example if exorcism was illegal and you caught me beating my neighbor with a copy of the Egyptian book of the dead while covering them in chicken blood I could always get away with it under the excuse that it was an adult adventure, a skin care regime, performance art or any number of things.
          The kids you are referring too didn't die because demons left their body, they died because they were stabbed and that is already illegal.

          January 21, 2014 at 5:49 pm |
  7. Why is it

    If I wanted to drink a twenty gallon drum of mushroom tea it would be okay, but if I wanted to get an exorcism on my day off it isn't?

    January 20, 2014 at 6:14 pm |
    • Say wha?

      I bet you thought that made sense when you wrote it.

      January 20, 2014 at 6:20 pm |
      • Why is it

        I still think it makes sense, does that bother you?

        January 20, 2014 at 6:22 pm |
        • Say wha?

          Not at all. Have fun with that.

          January 20, 2014 at 6:24 pm |
    • Dandintac

      For who? Yourself? Knock yourself out.

      Someone else–like your kids–not so sure.

      January 20, 2014 at 8:14 pm |
      • Why is it?

        Agreed. They can card you for an exorcism.

        January 20, 2014 at 8:17 pm |
  8. CommonSensed

    The power of the almighty dollar compels you!

    January 20, 2014 at 5:56 pm |
    • Captain Howdy

      lol. Props.

      January 20, 2014 at 6:05 pm |
  9. Daemons have many choices of temples to occupy for their mediating.

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    January 20, 2014 at 2:43 pm |
    • midwest rail

      Good afternoon, lol??.

      January 20, 2014 at 2:44 pm |
  10. Happy Atheist

    Well, by the look of middle America, conservative Christians might want to worry more about exercising than exorcising...

    January 20, 2014 at 1:41 pm |
  11. nev

    the belief on the existence of the devil was concieved by theologians of the past thousands of years ,there was no other way of explaining the bad experiences of people in the past because we were not educated yet to the kind of what we have now,Why this happened because that was part of the learning process that God wants us to know,in pathrotheism,we are part of God ,and He himself is evolving because He is the universe,We are now the conscious part of Him,our destiny in accordance to his will also be His destiny because it is His will.Although He prepared first all the material reality of the universe ahead of us,The experiences for us humans including the supernatural is just part of nirmal process for learning because its natural process,today we reach a point of not believing the practices of the past,but it does not mean its wrong,Just like a child ,adults loved to tell mythical stories to them ,because we knew children enjoys it as part of their learning process.

    January 20, 2014 at 11:39 am |
    • Anthony Crispino

      Oh, I think I get it. God is like the Borg. So if you're a guy, you're like the B in the Borg, and if you're a girl, you're like the g in the Borg. The g is weaker than the B so that makes sense.

      January 20, 2014 at 11:54 am |
    • igaftr

      This guy is bqack with the term he invented again...Panthrotheism...which is the belief that Panthro (from the thundercats) is god...he will try to tell you different, but since the word doesn't exist anyway, it can mean anything you want it to.

      All Hail Panthro

      January 20, 2014 at 12:14 pm |
      • G to the T

        Thundercats hooooooooooooooooooooo!

        January 20, 2014 at 2:35 pm |
      • myweightinwords

        THUNDERCATS HHHOOOOOO!!!!!!

        January 20, 2014 at 3:33 pm |
    • Science Works

      nev

      if you where not sleeping at the switch you might notice what is above your post in blue – it cycles so it is not there all the time .

      January 20, 2014 at 12:25 pm |
    • dev

      Gods will is for us humans today to evolved to a level of conciousness that will prepare us for the challenges of our future survival,Scientists now predicts of hardships in the future due to over population and changes to the natural environment.and that is happening now with activists through out the world are reminding us of protecting nature.That is why we need a phsychological revolution to hasten the evolution of consciousness that will address the problems.Ideological and philosophical enlightenment had the past great minds to develop ideas and belief because God sent them to reality in their times.Abraham,Jesus,Mohammad,Buddha, and many other religious leaders to teach humanity the doctrines that God willed to be appropriate and applicable in those periods of their existence,Also great philosophers in another dimension of social involvement were born to interprete and connect philosophically as the second element of our conscience , Kant,Marx and countless of them also were born.To complete the triangular structure or dimension of our conscience is knowledge .mostly scienific knowlege.The perfect conscience is an equilateral triangle,but knowlege is dynamic and keeps on increasing ,over time ,our conscience triangle becomes distorted or obtuse.So we have to adjust or increase also our religious dogma and correspondingly our philosophy to maintain the equilateral triangle of conscience.This evolutionary process is the center piece of Panthrotheism.that involve the whole range of human conciousness and intellect.

      January 20, 2014 at 12:51 pm |
      • igaftr

        Interesting take, but until someone can show if any gods exist, purely speculation.
        Also, Buddha, did not care if there are any gods or not, his view was more like atheism or deism.
        Most of what Jesus allegedly said, is straight from the mouth of Buddha, yet Jesus never gives appropriate credit.

        January 20, 2014 at 12:55 pm |
        • devin

          " Most of what Jesus allegedly said, was straight from the mouth of Buddha."

          I guess the old adage, " You learn something new every day" really is true.

          You just can't make this stuff up.

          January 20, 2014 at 1:22 pm |
        • kevin

          devin – "You just can't make this stuff up."

          Didn't Buddah say " If anyone should give you a blow with his hand, with a stick, or with a knife, you should abandon any desires and utter no evil words."

          which of course is the same as:

          "If anyone strikes you on the cheek, offer the other also. – See more at: http://tomstine.com/jesus-and-buddha-parallel-sayings/#sthash.EFyzakLu.dpuf"

          January 20, 2014 at 2:16 pm |
        • devin

          kevin

          It was the term "most" that prompted my response. To make that remark reveals a high degree of unfamiliarity with the gospels.

          January 20, 2014 at 3:00 pm |
        • igaftr

          there are many. many parallels.

          Non-violence, criticize self before others, community before self, self sacrifice for the common good, on and on and on.

          All came right down the Silk Road, to the keepers of the bible, who realized that the philosophies that were coming to them were eroding their control, so they elevated this Jesus character to a man-god ( since we have to keep people believing in OUR god), make up a bunch of stories, where Jesus says these things, which will make it more pallatable when we propogate it to the people, and voila...the new testament...a repackaged ready for propogandizing, religion... based on previous cultiures stories, and intermixed with eastern philosophy.

          January 20, 2014 at 3:02 pm |
        • igaftr

          Devin
          most is accurate.

          If you don't expect word for word, you will find the Buddha taught a huge amount of what Jesus allegedly taught.
          look at the ideas, the principles the buddha was teaching, not the words, and you will find Jesus is basically Buddha lite.

          January 20, 2014 at 3:06 pm |
        • devin

          ig

          The teachings of Jesus centered around human inability to obtain righteousness, what it meant to be his disciple, and how to enter the kingdom of God and obtain eternal life.Tthese are all foreign concepts to the Buddha. Not my opinion, read the gospels and see for yourself.

          January 20, 2014 at 3:16 pm |
        • igaftr

          yes....
          to acheive enlightenment...aka enter the kingdom of god...same parallel.

          The keepers of the bible incorporated the god stuff since they needed to keep teaching about their god, they could not abandon him, and needed others to worship as well, so take what the buddha taught, put the god spin on it,....you see...what you are saying is just re-inforcing what I am telling you.

          Jesus teaches the way to get to heaven...by doing these actions
          The buddha taught that you can acheive enlightenment by doing the same actions.( only Buddha came long before the Jesus character)
          Just jesus taught god magic on top of Buddha's teaching.

          January 20, 2014 at 3:24 pm |
        • devin

          ig

          Sorry, entirely different animals.

          January 20, 2014 at 3:59 pm |
        • igaftr

          dev
          not different at all. YOUR bible had the words of the Buddha put into it. If you look at the works of the Buddha, you CAN"T not see the resmblance.

          Your jesus character was invented, and they put the Buddha's words in his mouth. You just don't want to see it.

          January 21, 2014 at 8:57 am |
      • Doris

        It sounds almost like dev's God is perhaps the sum of light and dark matter. It might be interesting to read a conversation between dev and Lionly Lamb, who was always speaking of everything being connected in a god-like way from the outermost parts of the universe to the innermost (cellular and inward from there). (Assuming they are not one and the same.)

        January 20, 2014 at 1:22 pm |
      • nev is dev or dev is nev?

        .

        January 20, 2014 at 1:24 pm |
        • nevin

          It's very confusing!

          January 20, 2014 at 1:25 pm |
        • nev is dev or dev is nev?

          or devin ?

          January 20, 2014 at 1:29 pm |
        • It's Navin!

          I found out what my special purpose is for!

          January 20, 2014 at 1:34 pm |
        • devin

          I'm quite sure it's not the "real" devin.

          January 20, 2014 at 1:35 pm |
        • kev

          I'm quite sure it's not the "real" devin.

          dev's post or "devin"'s post?

          January 20, 2014 at 2:10 pm |
      • devin

        Just out of curiosity, what is your "source" for deciphering " God's will" ? Most of the major world religions utilize some form of written text and/ or oral tradition. Is there something outside of your personal thought that has brought you to these conclusions?

        January 20, 2014 at 1:32 pm |
        • OTOH

          devin,
          "Most of the major world religions utilize some form of written text and/ or oral tradition."

          And they *all* began with people (usually males, btw) who thought stuff up, passed it along, and eventually maybe even wrote it down!

          January 20, 2014 at 1:39 pm |
        • G to the T

          A personal revalation from God! No books needed... It's great because there's NO way to counter it...

          January 20, 2014 at 2:38 pm |
        • devin

          OTOH

          Yes, I'm more than aware of that perspective. I just don't share it.

          January 20, 2014 at 2:41 pm |
        • dev

          the events that happened in history is His will.In panthrotheism the whole universe is God,we are only the conscious part of Him,it is more than belief in Him but we have to implement His will which is for the future good of humanity.We are the center of His creation because we are the special part of Him ,and ultimately the ultimate reality of His manifestation. He is not faith selective ,meaning all religions are His will,But he appreciates and rewards achievement or performance in serving humanity.

          January 20, 2014 at 2:43 pm |
        • devin

          But my question was/is, how did you happen to come upon this knowledge?

          January 20, 2014 at 2:50 pm |
        • dev

          to devin,at this point of our existence or civilization ,our consciousness has reach a point of complexity that God in His will ,wanted us humans now to implement it through our evolved modern wisdom.that we have to all unite and focus our concern and attention to the greatest challenge of our existence,which is survival,Its not the rituals or praising Him,or outwardly expressing our belief or love for Him,but our positve contribution to the good of humanity.

          January 20, 2014 at 2:58 pm |
        • stev

          Huh?

          January 20, 2014 at 3:01 pm |
        • igaftr

          devin

          ALL species of life everwhere are focussed on the propogation and survival of their species.
          Ours is no different.
          It has been that way since life began. You are stating it as if it just happened. Seriously?

          Still no signs of any gods though.

          January 20, 2014 at 3:13 pm |
        • devin

          dev

          I understand (sort of) what you are saying. I would like to know why you are saying it? Again, what is your source of truth?

          January 20, 2014 at 3:22 pm |
        • devin

          ig
          I guess I missed something. What were you getting at in that last reply?

          January 20, 2014 at 3:26 pm |
  12. GOD of ALL GOD's yes even that one

    I AM GOD and I say let Richard Dawkins do all exorcisms
    now get back to worshipping me

    January 20, 2014 at 11:04 am |
    • Science Works

      Italian and pasta = FSM ?

      January 20, 2014 at 11:27 am |
    • God. Yes, the REAL God

      All I want is for everyone to worship me. DO it on earth, do it in heaven. Don't do it, go to hell. Heck, you can rape and murder and steal, and as long as you worship me, I'll give you the free pass to eternal happyland. Where all you do is worship me for the rest of eternity. What FUN! For me anyway.

      It's all about me. I am so amazing and wonderful that the only true sin is not being in my fan club. Yeah, I know that on earth it's shallow and self-absorbed and egotistical and all that, but hey, I'm God, whatcha gonna do about it. Me me me me me me me. Gosh I love me!

      So worship me.

      January 20, 2014 at 12:41 pm |
  13. Colin

    Ever noticed that its only ever the mentally infirm who are "possessed by Satan." The well adjusted seem strangely immune to his diabolical layovers. I guess its for the same reason that God never seems capable of curing amputees......

    January 20, 2014 at 5:53 am |
    • fred

      Colin
      I have prayed with amputees and one time I was cornered with the question why I never prayed for God to grow the limb back. Caught off guard focused on myself I said it was perhaps a lack of faith on my part. If I had enough faith then I would ask for just that. Effective prayer, that is always answered, is that prayer which comes through the Holy Spirit given to believers. It was perhaps my lack of faith but I recalled the Holy Spirit always addressed the spiritual issues the amputee was going through. I realized the limb was part of the physical properties of this fallen world we are in. In this world believers and non believers experience the good and bad that is the physical. The healing and the prayer was a blessing every time for the believer. Do you not wonder why you cannot see or experience that wonder?

      January 20, 2014 at 1:51 pm |
      • G to the T

        "I realized the limb was part of the physical properties of this fallen world we are in. In this world believers and non believers experience the good and bad that is the physical. The healing and the prayer was a blessing every time for the believer. Do you not wonder why you cannot see or experience that wonder?"

        Sorry Fred – by your logic someone somewhere should of had enough faith to make this work. That you have to find a 'spiritual" equivalent and say that was successfull is the very essence of confirmation bias. "This must be real, but I cannot get it to work in the 'real' world so it must only be effecting the spiritual". It's a cop-out not an explanation.

        January 20, 2014 at 3:26 pm |
        • fred

          G to the T
          Far from a cop out it is the typical thread of how God relates to mankind. The Bible presents a trail of snap shots (it's basically a picture / symbolic language), from Adam through John, concerning the personal relationship between God and man. The Kingdom of God is not of this world and as Jesus said in this world you will have trouble but, fear not for I have overcome the world. In this world God allows it to rain on the good and the wicked. However, in the kingdom of God all things work to the good of those who believe in Christ. The understanding is clear for those who believe and when God says I will wipe away every tear and create a new heaven and earth we will see that the missing limb had a purpose greater than what is observable in the physical or measurable by earthly standards (scientific method).

          On the other hand the non believer cannot see the things of God so you see only the missing limb and the missing God. Even the Pharisees demanded Jesus perform a miracle and he said no sign will be given but the sign of Jonah. There Nineveh repented of their sins, believed and were saved all of which is spiritual in nature as the agent of change was not physical but the grace of God. You cannot see the grace of God it is not visible or measurable by the things of this world but you can observe the peace that transcends all understanding because that is the affect of grace. This is the knowledge that results from faith through the presence of the Holy Spirit not an objective scientific proof.

          January 20, 2014 at 4:37 pm |
    • Dandintac

      Insightful observation.

      January 20, 2014 at 5:46 pm |
  14. fred

    C.S. Lewis writes "Creatures are not born with desires unless satisfaction for those desires exists. A baby feels hunger: well, there is such a thing as food. A duckling wants to swim: well, there is such a thing as water. [People] feel sexual desire: well,there is such a thing as sex. If I find in myself a desire which no experience in this world can satisfy, the most probable explanation is that I was made for another world."

    January 20, 2014 at 12:47 am |
    • doobzz

      Margaret Mitchell writes, β€œScarlett O’Hara was not beautiful, but men seldom realized it when caught by her charm as the Tarleton twins were. In her face were too sharply blended the delicate features of her mother, a Coast aristocrat of French descent, and the heavy ones of her florid Irish father. But it was an arresting face, pointed of chin, square of jaw."

      January 20, 2014 at 12:51 am |
      • fred

        Yes and that observation with essence of the wonder of that which is human is how I know there is God. We may have 99% of the genes of an ape yet observation clearly reveals the image of God as opposed to the image of animal. The beauty of the written word in Genesis strikes me with an understanding of what the greatest thinkers of those early days saw when they looked into the wonder of man and the awe in the universe around them. Our revelations of God and purpose of life as expressed by the great thinkers today reflect the image of God in us as well.

        This is why I cannot accept an impossible existence out of an accident without purpose founded on asymmetry between quarks and antiquarks.

        January 20, 2014 at 1:26 am |
        • Cpt. Obvious

          You don't have to accept that to be an atheist, fred. Think smarter.

          January 20, 2014 at 1:32 am |
        • fred

          I would need to adopt a form of materialism or scientism which contradicts itself since the these world views themselves lack evidence that fit the riggers of scientific method demanded. The apparent unlimited creative capacity of the human is amazing. Our reality consists of much more than what science measures as we have knowledge of many things other than scientific knowledge such as personal knowledge, spiritual knowledge or moral knowledge etc.
          There is something rather than nothing at the root of all we observe and no reason or evidence that our observations are in error.

          January 20, 2014 at 2:12 am |
        • Science Works

          Yeah fred and the origins of US is we evolved !

          January 20, 2014 at 6:28 am |
        • Science Works

          fred Neil tries real HARD not to laugh to much about the myths of said bible.

          MOYERS & COMPANY
          Neil deGrasse Tyson on Science, Religion and the Universe

          http://video.pbs.org/video/2365157823/

          January 20, 2014 at 8:42 am |
        • G to the T

          "Our reality consists of much more than what science measures as we have knowledge of many things other than scientific knowledge such as personal knowledge, spiritual knowledge or moral knowledge etc."

          We have personal, "spiritual" and moral beliefs, not knowledge.

          January 20, 2014 at 10:09 am |
        • doobzz

          Yes fred, and that is exactly why I know Scarlett O'Hara is real. It says so in my book.

          January 20, 2014 at 10:27 am |
        • Doc Vestibule

          Who or what exactly are the "riggers" of "scientism"?

          January 20, 2014 at 10:31 am |
        • Cpt. Obvious

          fred, don't be a moron. You don't need to accept ANYTHING about the universe's origins or state to disbelieve in gods. The "riggers" of some scientific method or other don't factor in at all. Atheism simply requires the statement (where appropriate): I don't know.

          January 20, 2014 at 10:37 am |
        • Nicodemus Legend

          Dr. Anthony Newberg, a neuroscientist at the University of Pennsylvania, has shown that the human brain is actually hard-wired for having spiritual beliefs. It is a part of the natural human experience. What we make of it is up to the individual. He has joked that both atheist and the religious have used his data to bolster their views. He, however continues to do research on it.

          January 20, 2014 at 11:39 am |
        • fred

          Doc Vestibule
          "Who or what exactly are the "riggers" of "scientism"?"
          Scientism is the view that the only things which count as knowledge come from the scientific method. Such a belief itself must be subject to the scientific method. Testing and protocol is well established as to what is acceptable. To confirm or reject a hypothesis is a process in scientific method and the riggers of that process necessary to lift accepted theory up to the level of a belief (world view) is the riggers of scientism.
          Given that the scientific method cannot reject or even address the relationship between the supernatural and accepted evolution theory the riggers of scientism demand an unfounded belief which discredits the core of atheism.

          January 20, 2014 at 2:35 pm |
        • fred

          Cpt. Obvious
          Based on your prior posts you "don't know" because only materialistic facts and thoughts are accepted as evidence to form your belief. Your very evidence is not credible by your own beliefs. You are just as circular in your "non belief" as those who rely only upon the Bible for evidence.
          Atheists do not have the upper hand on purpose for existence and Christians with the same (or greater) scientific knowledge as you posses have a broader knowledge base to draw from. Perhaps that is why Nobel winner Melvin Calvin a biochemist stated that a monotheistic view was the historical foundation of modern science

          January 20, 2014 at 3:10 pm |
        • fred

          G to the T
          "We have personal, "spiritual" and moral beliefs, not knowledge."
          => you have moral knowledge and perhaps some strange beliefs on top of that but you do have moral knowledge. Do you know it is wrong to be selfish? Do you know good is better than bad? Do you know that love is better than hate?

          January 20, 2014 at 3:23 pm |
        • No Evidence

          Fred likes to make up his own izms...

          January 20, 2014 at 3:38 pm |
        • Science Works

          do you know snakes sometimes bite fred ?

          January 20, 2014 at 3:40 pm |
        • G to the T

          "you have moral knowledge and perhaps some strange beliefs on top of that but you do have moral knowledge. Do you know it is wrong to be selfish? Do you know good is better than bad? Do you know that love is better than hate?"

          Nope. I believe it's wrong to be selfish, I have no objective standard by which to KNOW this. I don't believe in "good" or "evil" so that's a bit of a different issue. I believe that "love" and "hate" are only 2 sides of the same coin. But on top of it all, I'm not arrogant enough to believe I "know" these things.

          January 20, 2014 at 3:45 pm |
        • fred

          Science Works
          Their bark is worse than their bite.
          Thousands of years ago the chosen ones understood the meaning of the voice of a serpent as the medium in which evil darkens a soul. Sad you miss so much rich expression of the people that brought the oral traditions of monotheism forward as their God intended. Go figure, that truth still is the dominate understanding of our purpose for existence.

          January 20, 2014 at 4:06 pm |
        • Science Works

          fred

          When a snake barks does it sound like a dog ? Then for a yes or no question fred dances – the fruitcake is stale fred.

          January 20, 2014 at 4:43 pm |
        • fred

          G to the T
          I'm not arrogant enough to believe I "know" these things."
          =>arrogance? Was Jesus arrogant when he said I know the Father.
          =>Is Stephen Hawkings arrogant when he knows that one day science will find a unified theory
          =>I would think arrogance is in the manner of presentation of knowledge not the belief in Christ that allows me to know that all things work to the good of those who believe.

          January 20, 2014 at 5:10 pm |
        • fred

          Science Works
          The serpent was no doubt a barker as he stood by the attraction (tree of knowledge) and got the attention of his first customer Eve.

          January 20, 2014 at 5:49 pm |
        • Cpt. Obvious

          fred, nothing you said affects my argument. You make no sense. The wisdom expressed in my last post is solid.

          January 20, 2014 at 5:56 pm |
        • fred

          Cpt. Obvious
          "fred, don't be a moron."
          =>ok, believers and non believers can agree with you on this point.

          " You don't need to accept ANYTHING about the universe's origins or state to disbelieve in gods."
          =>agreed as I reject all man made gods as you do.

          "Atheism simply requires the statement (where appropriate): I don't know."
          =>honestly I can say I don't know about that !

          January 20, 2014 at 6:44 pm |
    • Anthony Crispino

      Oh think I get it. If the broad you're trying to hook up with has a kid and a duck, and you ever want to get to third base, you gotta set up a babysitters for both of them first.

      January 20, 2014 at 8:31 am |
      • No Evidence

        "broad"?? what are you a WW1 vet???

        January 20, 2014 at 10:31 am |
        • Doc Vestibule

          Somma them flapper gals have some fine gams.

          January 20, 2014 at 10:33 am |
        • Nicodemus Legend

          Hey, get your boots on ya fuddy-duddy! He's gonna ameche the skirt and cut a rug with that hep kitten and bunny her up for some smoochin'!

          January 20, 2014 at 12:05 pm |
        • No Evidence

          Dems the bee's knee's!!

          January 20, 2014 at 12:11 pm |
  15. Reality # 2

    Satan, the modern day demon of the demented i.e. no wonder aging RCC priests have interest is said demon.

    January 19, 2014 at 11:56 pm |
  16. Newsflash!

    Catholic Priests Report Interest In Inquisitions Increasing!

    January 19, 2014 at 10:57 pm |
    • No Evidence

      Next....... animal sacrifices are making a comeback!!

      January 20, 2014 at 3:42 pm |
  17. tony

    Stupidity is on the rise everywhere.

    January 19, 2014 at 10:47 pm |
    • Joel Osteen

      There's a lot of money to be made in the stupidity field. Check out my new shily suit!

      January 19, 2014 at 10:51 pm |
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