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January 27th, 2014
12:40 PM ET
Angry birds! Pope's peace doves attackedBy Daniel Burke, Belief Blog Co-editor (CNN) Talk about your angry birds. A crow and a seagull attacked two white doves released by children standing next to Pope Francis on Sunday at St. Peter's Square. The birds of prey swooped down after the "peace" doves flew from the open window in the Apostolic Palace. One dove broke free from the gull, after losing a few feathers in the fray. A crow pecked the other before both doves escaped and flew away. Their ultimate fate is unknown. Thankfully, the Pope and children had walked away before the fly-by birding. Doves as Judeo-Christian symbols of peace date back to biblical times. In the Book of Genesis, a dove returns to the ark-maker Noah with an olive branch, letting him know that the flood had receded. In the New Testament, the Holy Spirit descends "like a dove" on Jesus after his baptism, according to the Gospel of Matthew. Centuries of Christian art thereafter have use doves to symbolize the third member of the Holy Trinity, along with God and Jesus. Just before releasing the doves, the Pope had offered prayers for Ukraine, the site of pitched civil strife, and some say the dove-attack portends poorly for Eastern European nation. Others took a more humorous approach.
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Jason
That ugly crow and sea gull remind us of ugly human beings that prey on others, like that mother that is going for an abortion...
January 27, 2014 at 3:04 pm | Report abuse | Reply
LA
Yikes!
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Jason
Yikes for what? The ugly mother or that ugly crow?
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Some humans pretend to have more compassion for animals that they do for human beings.
It is a scientific theory based on observation and study of the natural work.
if you apply scientific theory to my visions, it proves God is real.
if I am not lying, there is proof of God.
I am not lying.
Whatever. Worship whom you please and let others do the same.
I think you missed taking your afternoon medications.
Your visions mean nothing based on scientific research. I'm not lying.
No austin, you do not have proof. You atribute experiences to god, but since you don't know any gods exist, and there are a myriad of possible ( and more probable) explainations that you disregard, not scientific in the slightest. Your bias is too strong for you to claim science.
The day that all Catholic churches close will be a great day for humanity.
You have a lot of faith in that don't you?
@Austin,
"if you apply scientific theory to my visions, it proves God is real."
1) Your visions, even if they were truly prescient, don't indicate God.
2) The scientific method has not been applied to your visions.
"I am not lying."
So you claim.
Once again, if you're so convinced that you have the gift of prophecy, keep an online dream journal.
That way, everybody would be able to determine the accuracy of your visions as they come true (or fail to).
If you wish to apply scientific methodology to you divine, psychic messages you must put forth a hypothesis that is testable, repeatable and falsifiable. Since there is no way to intercept these magic dreams, it is up to you to docu/ment as publish them as they occur. It then would be possible to at least do a statistical analysis of how often they come true over a given time frame.
Austin: You are truly delusional!!!
This is the first (and last) time that I will read comments posted to an article. This entire discussion proves a point that one of my mentors always quotes: "The Mother of all idiots is always pregnant".
My mother is not pregnant. She's too old.
LOL!
Topher, mine's dead, so I know she's not pregnant.
Thanks for your visit.
Austin
Your comment is awaiting moderation.
Do people hope that God is not real? why?
Do people know that God is not real? how?
Depends. I assume by "God" you mean "Yahweh"?
Which one?
@Austin,
I certainly hope that the OT god is not real, He is not a good or decent being.
If however, a god does exist, I'd love to meat him/her/them, but it seems very unlikely.
I wonder what it would've met if the doves had crapped on the fat old man or the two little boys he was with?
And aren't crows scavenger birds? Like they only eat animals that are dying?
I wonder if this "demonstration" proves doves are nothing more than birds, not some embodiment of God?
As someone who used to have a pet crow, please let me assure you – they will attack anything they think they have a chance at... including my younger brother at the time!
I am not using my beliefs to influence .
God is calling His kingdom to faith and forgiveness.
that is the time period we live in called "the mystery of the church." God has patience for those who are written in the Book of Life, they are being saved. God has prepared, and is preparing their hearts.
I have the flu. 🙁 Yeah, yeah, thanks for all your sympathy.
Questions:
– did god give me the flu because I am an atheist?
– if I pray will god heal me, or should I take medicine?
– do real Christians take medicine when they are sick or do they believe so much that they rely on prayer?
– if you take medicine, does that mean that you don't really believe in prayer?
there are many lines of the bible that state that all you need to do is pray for something and you will receive it. Even your jesus character said a few of them apparently. Are those lines correct or is that just talk?
Hope you feel better!
🙂
Get well my friend. hope it does not last two weeks.
doG
Flu shot, did you get one? Not much you can do at this stage but ride it out?
@ Charm – Flu shot far from perfect – even the CDC agrees. Better to boost immune system going into flu season and take standard cold and flu precautions.
@CommonSensed
"Flu shot far from perfect – even the CDC agrees. Better to boost immune system going into flu season and take standard cold and flu precautions."
Perhaps I misunderstood, while the flu shot is not 100% effective, as I'm sure the CDC would agree, I don't think the CDC would state the your alternative is "better", i.e. they still advocate getting a flu shot.
If you say prayers long enough then you will be healed.
...course if you say anything long enough you will likely get over your flu.
Hope you feel better.
Consider taking meds as hedging your bet. If you pray god may here you, maybe not. Like texting on a cheap cell phone carrier, you never know if the message got thru. Get better
Wow, never heard of someone comparing their monotheistic god to a cheap cell phone carrier. I guess on some level that's a first step to admitting that believing in a magic man in the sky is as productive as buying a blackberry.
lol, That's it!
Magic is real! It's just got a really, really bad service provider.
Me II: Re "really, really bad service provider" -awesome. Many thumbs up for that comment.
I'd pray for you, but I'd rather you just ensure you get yourself plenty of rest and fluids. Feel better, dog.
Sorry you have the flu. Remember God helps those who helps themselves. Take the medicine, see your doctor, get rest.
Dear Belief Blog
Why 70% Pope stories?
There is another one coming...the Pope supports women apparently.
his PR team is doing a great job. lots of nice pictures of the pope and women. it's like an election campaign.
Yeah, he supports them shutting the hell up.
CNN FY14Q1 Pope-story metric. It's in their KPIs, I think.
Darwinian Evolution: 2
Monotheistic God: 0
As scored by an evolutionist.
God's plan = dead pigeons?
What's an "evolutionist"?
I believe in both. No conflict with the Bible at all if you don't take it as word-for-word truth, but I don't base my belief in God on a book. I base it on my personal experiences.
i wonder if this has anything to do with Russia recently outlawing witchcraft,..? so here is the prediction, the peace/the law (the dove) of Russia will be destroyed by greed(the seagull) and war\change(the crow)
russia there is great turbulence in your horizon it will be brought on by your greed and your attempt to expand order.
opps i meant the violence in the Ukraine will continue for some time
Poor doves. They went from, "Hey this is kind of nice. We get fed...it's warm...some nice old guy and a few kids here picking me up and.."
"Holy crap!!", and flies for their lives.
Gee, kinda like going to church...
Gee, that was kind of lame.
That made me laugh so hard.
14 The sower soweth the word. 15 And these are they by the way side, where the word is sown; but when they have heard, Satan cometh immediately, and taketh away the word that was sown in their hearts.
The bible: Endless lines of circular speak that can be taken to mean almost anything and most often are taken to mean whatever a Christian wants the line to say so that they can judge someone else or think they are proving a point.
God is proven.
LOLOLOL Comedy gold!
"god is proven"...only to those who do not know what proof means.
proven?
to the delusional cat squishing set?
It seems that is what you and your ilk do quite a bit on here. You take something that you agree with, twist it to fit whatever situation and heap on more like minded stuff that supports the original statement and keep it up till you are circle jerking each other.
interesting observation. vivid description.
Why is it so hard to see the truth of this simple but profound reality in front of our own eyes. How many times we have come to know that the doves are the sign of peace. For instance, when Mary appeared in front of thousand people in Zeitune in Egypt between 1968-70 She appeared with many doves to show that she is the sign of peace. It was the same when Jesus was baptized when the dove rested on Him.
What do these appearance tells us ? That there is without a doubt an evil-agent working to take our human dignity. As we have seen many time in the major wars and everyday misunderstanding and confusion, we are either invited to be courageous and fight for what is true, good, and beautiful or else. The courageous and creative act is nothing but the imitation of Jesus who sought out what is good, true, and beautiful in every human being He encountered with.
what I am saying is that let's not easily ignore the signs which express the very realities we have found our self in. It is the gift of life to do something about it.
Wow Austin, do you really enjoy looking like a fool? Posting scripture only tells me that you belong in a cave back in the 1st century.
would God be primitive? what about the people who followed?
God doesn't exist Austin...it is a made up thing to fool you. Primitive people thought primitive things.
What is your deepest desire, the inner being that desire most and above all? Are you not trying to find a meaning at ever turn in your life? if your answer is negative that is if you say 'I do not care', then life is like a passing train. But if you try to jump in the train and have a chat and make a difference in people's life then you have shown love. This is the love that Jesus has shown in its fullest sense. If we but attempt to live away from self-centered and love-centered life, I think we have accomplished something, something that would be meaningful and the desire of our inner being that is to love and to be loved.
When evening in the Shire was grey
his footsteps on the Hill were heard;
before the dawn he went away
on journey long without a word.
From Wilderland to Western shore,
from northern waste to southern hill,
through dragon-lair and hidden door
and darling woods he walked at will
(Frodo – Lord of the Rings)
See I can quote from fictional myths as well.
For even the very wise cannot see all ends.
– Gandalf
Apparently, the king of the Valar Manwe is not happy and sent his great birds to handle the situation.
Christians get to follow their insane fictional myths and treat them as valid, and Tolkien's fictional myths are on par with those.
Crebain from Dunland!
Oh my goodness. I can't stop laughing. Best reply ever.
Oh my goodness. I can't stop laughing. Best reply ever.
Hey pope, pay taxes
Stop abusing children with traumatic stories of eternal torture and indoctrination into unsubstantiated beliefs.
(Do I even need to mention the Ｓｅｘｕａｌ abuse or is this just implicitly understood now.)
I'd keep mentioning it. There's a few on here who apparently think the whole thing's been settled to everyone's satisfaction.
And where would you like the non-US citizen to pay his taxes to?
He likely meant for the catholic church that he runs to. Which means there are many nation his cult owes taxes to.
He has no cult. If they want the church to pay taxes I suggest they overthrow their governments and chuck out whatever laws protect religions from governments....and of course make sure to throw out the stuff that protects governments from religions to be fair.
The catholic 'church' is not but a very large cult.
following fictional myths written by ancient imbeciles.
Lycidas
It started in Nebraska -bill introduced for church to pay property taxes – if I am not mistaken.
the people who wrote the Bible are fictional?
Austin, you're an idiot...now get back to your
slurpee maching..it's not going to run on its own.
at the gas station or what?
Pigeons and crows might be a lot of things but birds of prey is not one of them. ME II can we see your troll license? Me thinks thou doth protest too much...
You're calling me a troll? For what exactly?
I love the Angry Birds "Star Wars" versions. Good stuff!
God's plan. And someone will find this is evidence of the pocky-clipse to come. So be good for goodness' sake!
Woooh-oooh somebody's comin'!
G to the T: Coming? No, they're just breathing hard.
Nah – he just got my reference. Let me know if you need a hint, Which.
Pocky, yum.
Dang it, now I have to go to 99 Ranch for Pockys.
HAHAHAHA!! ROFLOL!! 😀 😀 😀
That is what happens when the word of God is taken lightly and the imaginations of the idolaters run wild. Faithfulness to the Biblical text is a Must for every believer in Christ Jesus. The Bibles says nothing about a WHITE dove in the text. The Holy Ghost appeared in a visible form like a dove, however the text DOES NOT SAYS it was White. It only says a dove.
Christians must make every effort to remain Faithful to the text. Otherwise these ridiculous things and embarrassments will happen. Let the idolaters do their thing and we do ours.
Agreed!
Why do you call Catholics idolaters?
because it says that Jesus Christ is the word of God
John 1 , revelation 19:13
we have the Holy Spirit within. we do not need stained glass, pictures of Jesus to look outwardly too. We have him within
If He within is not enough, that is when you will look outside of the Word of God, to add to who He is. this is impossible and forbidden.
can you embellish the word of God, or the Holy Spirit. no one should make an image of Christ.
"we have the Holy Spirit within. we do not need stained glass, pictures of Jesus to look outwardly too. "
Just because you don't need them doesn't mean they aren't helpful for some people.
". no one should make an image of Christ."
Surely you're not making that a distinguishing aspect of Catholicism? Look into most Protestant churches and see how many images you see.
JB , i agree with you that is correct.
however i am still disappointed at the level of embellishment.
Hosea 10 (New International Version)
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Hosea 10
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10 Israel was a spreading vine;
he brought forth fruit for himself.
As his fruit increased,
he built more altars;
as his land prospered,
he adorned his sacred stones.
2 Their heart is deceitful,
and now they must bear their guilt.
The Lord will demolish their altars
and destroy their sacred stones.
adorned, embellished.
So, you just don't like their degree of adornment? Seems trivial.
no you cant add to the finished work of Christ, through attracting people with sensual appeasement and imagery.
God, is the word, and the spirit. That is what you should fix your attention on.
4 “You shall not make for yourself an image in the form of anything in heaven above or on the earth beneath or in the waters below. 5 You shall not bow down to them or worship them; for I, the Lord your God, am a jealous God, punishing the children for the sin of the parents to the third and fourth generation of those who hate me,
the pope kisses images. people are fixated on this outward ceremony. its all fake.
the graven idolatry breaks 8 out of 10 of the ten commandments.
the first 3,
lying about the truth of it being ok
dishonoring heavenly father
spiritual adultery
disrespect to the day of rest(sabbath)profane
takes the Lords name in vain
"the pope kisses images. people are fixated on this outward ceremony. its all fake"
It's unnecessary, perhaps, but I don't see what problems it causes.
Because they are!! 😀 I'm still ROFLOL!! 😀 😀 😀
Great explanation... makes it seem like you don't really know.
JB,
Fortunately for me I know enough about the subject matter, which probably is a whole lot more than you can fathom in a lifetime of Idolatry.
I was raised as a devout roman Catholic, all the rites, child baptism, 1st communion, catechism, confirmation, confessions, Sunday Mass, processions, rosary recitations, kneeling and praying to a statue and a painting, memorized prayers and recitations etc. NOT however being an altar boy or seminarian which was very fortunate for me, Thanks God!!
When I started reading the Bible I started to see the Truth about ALL the Idolatrous acts and practices of that Organization.
For example?
"Christians must make every effort to remain Faithful to the text" You're kidding right?
The King James version of the new testament was completed in 1611 by 8 members of the church of England. There were (and still are) NO original texts to translate. The oldest manuscripts we have were written down 100's of years after the last apostle died. There are over 8,000 of these old manuscripts with no two alike. The king james translators used none of these anyway. Instead they edited previous translations to create a version their king and parliament would approve. So.... 21st century christians believe the "word of god" is a book edited in the 17th century from the 16th century translations of 8,000 contradictory copies of 4th century scrolls that claim to be copies of lost letters written in the 1st century.
you are all either frauds or too dim to realize you're being fooled.
wake up!
Your dyslexic condition unable you to understand? Therefore you go around parroting what you read in some website. How in the world you know copies are not the same? Did you see all those 8,000 copies? Does it bothers you that we are faithful to the Biblical text rather than to a leader?
no, it bothers me that you are all either frauds or too dim to realize you're being fooled.
dyslexicDog,
No you are the Fraud and your moniker fits you well! 😉
"No you are the Fraud and your moniker fits you well!"
I guess if thinking that makes you feel better...
"Christians must make every effort to remain Faithful to the text."
No they don't. Being a literalist is not a requirement to be a Christian.
YES WE MUST make every effort to remain FAITHFUL to the text. Otherwise we will end up like them idolaters. Seeing White doves everywhere AND believing they are the Holy Spirit or a "sign of peace". That happened in Cuba in 1960 when Fidel Castro entered Havana. A white dove flew and stood on his shoulder. In the Catholic mixed with Santeria religion of most of the populace. That was seen as a divine sign, and the rest is History.
Being Faithful to the text does not means however being a literalist, as you ignorantly accused.
We must be Faithful to the text even when is symbolic. Meaning that a symbol, a figure of speech must be read, believed and quoted as we have it. Without adding to it inventions of our or others IMAGINATIONS that run wild and go beyond what the text says. There is absolutely no need to do that.
Otherwise we will start being Unfaithful to the text, and is all downhill after that. Ending in Plain Idolatry as the article, the report, the pics and the videos clearly shows. I suggest you go back to grammar school, learn to read and acquire some reading comprehension skills. ROFLOL!! 😀 😀 😀
exC
"That is what happens when the word of God is taken lightly and the imaginations of the idolaters run wild"
And your comment is what happens when someone does not understand what a cause/effect relationship is.
Theirs and yours IMAGINATIONS are one and the same.
in regards to imaginations...all men are the same, including you...so what is your point?
You made a correlation to what happened with these birds and then leapt to a reason, where no correlation is actually there....over active imagination on your part.
"Faithfulness to the Biblical text is a Must for every believer in Christ Jesus. "
And who compiled the Biblical text? Which translation do you use and how to do know it's accurate to the original author's intent? How do you know who the original authors even were? Sola scriptora is a fool's game IMOHO.
The RCC did not "compiled" the Bible, neither wrote it, taught it, promoted, preached it, explained it, much less understand it or obey it. Neither read it to the ignorant and illiterate populaces (which they should have done), in the countries where they are in charge or the religion of the majority.
Instead they bowed before statues and paintings that are the product of the perverted and feeble IMAGINATIONS of men and women totally devoid of Faith in God. They bow before these statues and paintings, they sing to them, they kiss them and adorn them with gold and silver threaded clothing's. They give them Biblical names, adore and admire them in awestruck postures. They point to these statues/paintings and say "That is Peter" or Paul or "Mary". Is almost endless the things they do to and with these IDOLS.
Because these IDOLS cannot walk they have to carry them all over. These statues/paintings are the product of the IMAGINATIONS of the artists who made. They have eyes but do not see, they have ears but do not hear, they have mouths but do no speak or eat the food the idolaters place in front of them. All the while the idolaters themselves go hungry. These statues have IDOLS have noses but do not smell the flowers the Idolaters place before them. They have to be carried in processions and everywhere they need to take them; because though they have feet the IDOLS DO NOT WALK.
Billy does.
Wow! Way to write a whole bunch of whatever and still not answer my question. Let me take "Catholic vs Protestant" out of the mix.
Who do you think the authors of the bible were?
What languages did they speak?
When was it decided which books would be "cannon" and who decided?
@EX Catholic,
Is there a problem with using a "WHITE" dove? Does it not fit the definition of dove?
Another Pope story! What a surprise! What a shock!
And what a hard-hitting important story it is!
Major stories like the Vatican's ongoing stonewalling of the U.N. investigation on abuse and the Vatican Bank arrests never show up here, but "Birdfight at the O.K. Corral" and "Pope Gives Buddy A Ride" do.
So what's the deal? Are the editors Catholic propagandists? Are they letting the Catholic League supply their stories so they can go have coffee instead of doing research?
Oh you can be sure most of them are papists idolaters!! They have turn the Blog into the Vatican Blog.
I'm amazed you can type one-handed like that...
I think they check their Twitter account and copy/paste whatever they find there.