February 4th, 2014
10:05 PM ET

Creation debate recap: Science, religion and terrible jokes

By Daniel Burke, Belief Blog Co-editor
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(CNN) - Did you miss the debate between creationist Ken Ham and Bill "The Science Guy" Nye?

Don't worry, we've got you covered.

The debate was moderated by CNN's Tom Foreman, and, if there's one thing both sides can agree on, it's that he did a swell job.

Here's almost everything else you need to know, from Genesis to um, Revelation.

- CNN Religion Editor

Filed under: Belief • Bible • Creationism • Evolution • Science • Uncategorized

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  1. luvisreal

    Igaftr and other Seekers: If you have had a past experience that has soured you on religion and caused anger toward your Creator, please call out to Him again. Simply humble yourself before God, admit your shortcomings, and seek Him with all your heart. I assure you He most certainly then WILL reveal Himself clearly to you. This happened to me – and I was blown away by His response. My life has produced one miracle after another since that time nearly 20 years ago. I am no one special – just a person who exercised faith in the invisible Creator of all things – and sought to have a relationship with Him through His Son, Jesus Christ. I am stating these things anonymously – so nothing gained for fabricating. The Lord truly wants each of you to discover who He is – regardless of what you think of Christianity as a religion – or the bible with its seemingly conflicting information. There is so much more to this existence – just keep searching for your true purpose here. Do not remain in the dark – but get to know the Light of the world!

    February 12, 2014 at 11:56 pm |
    • dandintac


      You are buying into a condescending stereotype that many Christians hold of atheists–that we don't believe because we are "mad at God", emotionally traumatized, hurt, broken.

      What is offensive about this, besides usually being untrue, is that it presumes that it's simply not possible that we could be non-believers for rational reasons, and that we are poor, hurt little wayward people that just need to be loved again. But I assure you this is almost never true.

      Please take some time to actually listen to people's rational reasons for not believing. Read the questions we ask and ponder them without making up an answer, or presuming to know all about what your God wants or will do and so on. Maybe search for deconversion stories on YouTube. You will find that almost all of them will tell you how they realized there was no evidence, and that the stories of the Bible and the claims about God made no logical sense.

      I can provide you with a long list of reasons, based on evidence, lack of evidence, and reasoning, for why I don't believe in God and why I am no longer a Christian. You should listen if you really want to know why we don't believe in your God, and take us on our word instead of turning a deaf ear and assume instead, emotional trauma as the reason for our non-belief.

      February 13, 2014 at 1:59 am |
      • luvisreal

        Dear Dandi – No one on Youtube or elsewhere has ever, nor will ever disprove God! Though you acknowledge no offenses which influenced your change, your comments reveal otherwise. Furthermore, if you are "no longer a Christian", it is most likely that you never were a true one – only a follower of some religious rituals who never actually had a 'rebirth' experience. Sadly, this has been an all too common occurrence. However, a Spirit-filled believer has no desire to cast off the divine power that manifests daily in his/her life. Since receiving Him decades ago, I have never longed for the hollow life of my past. I perceive that in your case there was a lack of understanding, first of all, on how salvation occurs – and secondly, on the whole realm of science which examines evidences for a young earth. Now, before you sigh and accuse me again of failing to consider your type of rationale, which I have ions ago, please be open to viewing the following two links:: http://www.icr.org/home/resources/resources_tracts_scientificcaseagainstevolution/
        http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nzKijw7v6AM Praying for you to KNOW HIM!

        February 13, 2014 at 11:13 am |
        • myweightinwords

          Wow, condescending much?

          February 13, 2014 at 11:42 am |
        • dandintac


          You didn't read a word I wrote above–did you?

          February 13, 2014 at 10:12 pm |
        • luvisreal

          Au contraire! I read every word, several times in fact – as I composed my response. You seem to have ignored my point on differentiating religion from relationship. This is an obstacle that you must overcome in order to discover the truth. Until it is removed, there can be no hope for your destiny. Be set free from your bondage – so much abundant life awaits you!

          February 14, 2014 at 12:53 am |
      • revealer003

        Dandintac, I would honestly like to hear/see your long list of reasons, based on evidence, lack of evidence, and reasoning, for why you don’t believe in God and why you are no longer a Christian.

        February 21, 2014 at 12:21 pm |
        • dandintac

          Here you go. Much of this has been posted in older threads.

          First, what I mean by "God" is the being described in the Bible, usually described by Christians as all-knowing, all-good, and all-powerful, and is often described as objectively real, omnipresent, rewards his followers with an eternity in some paradise, and those who are skeptical with eternal damnation, usually described by followers and the Bible as "a lake of fire" or by Jesus as "unquenchable fire". Furthermore, this God is often described as perfectly just and merciful.

          This is not conclusive evidence of course, after all, we cannot prove the negative for claims of this nature, but taken together, I think I can offer a compelling case that the God described above most likely does not exist. I will use the Christian God for this exercise, although many of these objections could be applied to any god claim.

          1) God’s apparent non-existence. It is often claimed that “God is everywhere”. Yet even after thousands of years of trying, Christians have been unable to demonstrate any hard verifiable evidence of God’s existence. It gets worse. If god is all-knowing, he knows what would persuade us. If he is all-powerful, he could do so easily. I can provide a whole list of things that would persuade me. And if he is all-good, he would provide this evidence, rather than punish non-believers for their honest and rational skepticism. Therefore no such god exists.

          2) The absolute failure of intercessory prayer. Multiple studies have demonstrated that prayer fails to work. They have even done studies where multiple religions were studied, and all compared to a control group. Prayer failed to show any statistical improvement in outcomes for hospital patients. Furthermore, believers who are amputees probably don’t even bother to pray for their limb to grow back. Why not? We all know it doesn’t really work at all.

          3) The apparent mythic roots of the Christian religion. The Jesus myth bears many similarities with other gods in the Mediterranean area, such as Horus, Mithra and others–such as the virgin birth, birth on the solstice, number of disciples, his resurrection, and so on. This is compelling evidence that Jesus is either a myth, or at best, he was a Jewish rabbi who was executed by the Romans, and who’s actual story probably bears almost no resemblance to the Biblical account, but was embellished and mythologized in the decades following his death through word of mouth retellings. If we were talking about any other god, we would not hesitate to call it a myth.

          4) The absolute absurdity of the Jesus Story itself. Christians hate for it to be told this way, but substantively, this is the story. Perfect God created mankind flawed, and hates us for that so much, that he blames Adam and Eve’s biggest mistake–”eating from the tree of knowledge” down to their distant descendants, punishing them by burning them forever. But, there’s a way out! He’ll send his best son (who is really himself) to save them! This son will be a blood sacrifice to create a loophole so that all-powerful God somehow finds it within himself to forgive men for their imperfect nature that he gifted them with in the first place. So Jesus becomes a scapegoat. Think please. What kind of parent would torture their best child (“only son”) in order to be able to forgive the other children? It doesn’t make a lick of sense and is patently absurd on the face of it. Christians have NEVER been able to give a logical account for this.

          5) The Huge Problem of Evil. Never easily explained away by Christians. God is all-powerful. God is all-good. Just look at the horrible evil in the world–and much of it caused by God himself. If evil exists, then God can either do nothing about it, or chooses to allow it, in which case he cannot be called “all-good“.

          6) The Huge Problems with the Bible itself. Forged books, contradictions, inconsistencies. We don’t have the originals–just copies of copies of copies of copies of copies of translations of copies of copies of copies of translations of copies… There are many passages that are absurd or impossible, and there is no guide to say what is metaphor and what should be taken literally, allowing believers to come up with their own individual interpretation–in which case–how can anyone say what is true about it? What kind of all-knowing, all-powerful god who cares about his message getting out would have such a flawed book? Why would he even need a book to begin with? He’s all-powerful–right? His word should be imprinted in all of our minds and in our DNA. Then no one would doubt, and no one would have it wrong.

          7) The huge numbers of Gods and religions, and the geographic distribution of them. What kind of all-powerful, all-knowing God would allow billions of people to grow up in ignorance of his revelation? How can Christians explain the billions of people who were raised Hindu, Shinto, Buddhist, and how rare it is for them to convert? This is evidence that people are indoctrinated into their religion, and keep the religion of their society–they do not mass convert because one religion is right. There have been thousands of god beliefs. What kind of all-powerful god would allow this? Especially if he was torturing people in the afterlife for their non-belief–and yet we call him all-good?

          8) The Horror of Hell. What kind of all-good God would torture ANYONE for all eternity? And just for the horrid crime of not believing? I know Christians lately have been trying to soften up Hell to get around this, but when they do, they ignore the Bible, and they also ignore thousands of years of doctrine and precedent, as well as what the vast majority of Christians believe.

          9) The illogic of an all-powerful god. Think of what it means to be “all-powerful”. This means that there is absolutely NOTHING that God cannot do. Sooo–can he create another God? One that is more powerful than he is? A weight so great he cannot lift it? One can get a headache real quick trying to come up with questions like this–and I’m sure you will dismiss it out of hand. But the truth is–once you start demanding absolutes as characteristics of your God, then the universe can get really weird indeed.

          10) The use of coercion indicates that Christians are playing with a weak hand. All too many Christians, if they can get away with it, will not hesitate to punish the unbeliever. Christian coaches will kick young atheists off the team. People will phone in death threats. Christian families will kick atheist children out of their home and disown them. The church lost it’s best argument when they were no longer allowed to literally burn people alive if they didn’t believe. But they still use the good ole Hell claim to coerce people. Ask yourself. If someone told you that Bigfoot exists, and when you say no, they tell you will burn forever for your lack of faith. Is this a sign of a strong claim? Or a weak claim that has to use threats to keep people in line?

          February 21, 2014 at 10:13 pm |
        • truluv4u

          These concerns are actually best answered by your own ability to ponder such concerns over the existence of a supreme being.  Though yes indeed, He is all-powerful – the Creator of All is additionally an incredibly tolerant and merciful God.  This is evidenced by His willingness to graciously grant you continued provisions for your life – though you mock Him so vehemently. 


          February 27, 2014 at 5:37 pm |
        • dandintac

          I don't mock him. I'd have to believe he exists to mock him. That's kind of like saying that you mock Krishna when you don't believe in him. A rather silly assertion on your part.

          "Incredibly tolerant and merciful"

          Oh really? Is that why he burns people in Hell for all eternity for the sole thought crime of doubting his invisible existence?

          See–when you make all these sorts of additional claims, God is this, god is that–it just makes your central God claim even harder to swallow. I don't even think you quite realize how much you do it–adding one claim after another about this God–many claims you and other theists make don't even have support in the Bible. "God will do this, God knows that, God would never do that, God wants this, God's plan is this..." and on and on and on. You claim, without any support from hard evidence, to know all about this all-powerful, all-knowing, super-being. You have him alllll figured out, and know everything about him and what he will or won't do.

          But since you have no hard evidence, it's a huge house of cards. Just a few simple questions can send the whole towering edifice down flat in a huge whoosh, so you find you have to keep making things up–"God won't do that. God knows this. God is this and that..." It's quite a spectacle to behold.

          February 27, 2014 at 11:15 pm |
        • truluv4u

          YOU MOCK the Creator by denying the obvious FACT that He made you and sustains your LIFE. This is a basic requirement of all humanity – regardless of what we may call Him. According to believing scientists, including Einstein and most others in history – the creation itself is abundant with clues (geology, archaology, biology, chemistry,physics, astronomy, etc,) "Since the creation of the world God's invisible qualities–his eternal power and divine nature–have been clearly seen, being understood from what has been made, so that people are without excuse." (Apostle Paul to Romans) You believe in many invisible things – AIR being the most common example – also love, happiness, and so on. Your consciousness is unseen – but very real and unexplainable by naturalism. As for the Bible – It reveals much HARD EVIDENCE concerning the nature of God (Have you even read it through?) – yet it must be taken as a whole, rather than in pieces out of context. Furthermore, though the Scriptures that you rip so harshly may contain a few translational inconsistencies, they have been more carefully examined and verified – by FAR – than any text the world has ever discovered. Even so, my personal best evidence for the great character of this God, is my own own daily relationship with Him – His mercy in forgiving my past sins – and my observation of the many miracles He has done for my family and friends. You must realize that He does not want to condemn anyone eternally – but has provided a prevention through Christ's atonement for the sins of all – As the Apostle Peter wrote: "He is patient with you, not wanting anyone to perish, but everyone to come to repentance." Praying you will someday soon soften your heart and receive your only HOPE!

          February 28, 2014 at 8:55 am |
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    February 11, 2014 at 10:33 pm |
    • truluv4u

      PLEASE don't plan to take the risk of sky diving anytime in the near future! You are admittedly not yet prepared to meet your mocked MAKER. Though the sky is NOT the limit for His patience – there will be a day of accounting any time now, or at most, within just a few DECADES. Of course, we know all too well how time flies!

      February 24, 2014 at 12:48 pm |
  3. Name*christopher

    Doesn't "free will" offer both explanations?

    February 10, 2014 at 10:55 am |
    • The Running Twit

      Free will is creationists' escape clause on how to explain the sometimes stupidity of man.

      And how can free will exists if everything is already written in their god's book?

      February 10, 2014 at 11:06 am |
  4. geekmaster

    Dear Mr Nye, and Mr Ham. There was a question about how life became into existence. One answered I don't know, the other answered there is a book that describes just that. Well, I think its so simple of an answer that one may overlook it.
    Life exists because it can, therefore it does. Its a simple answer, yet a complex one. Life's a biological process in and of itself. So many things have to occur before it can happen. The correct amount of heat, correct atmosphere and so on. There is life as we know life on earth. And there could be life elsewhere undiscovered as of yet. Yet on other planets in our solar system life as we know it, CANT exist because its missing a vital requirement(s) of our type of biological process. Just as fire has to have a fuel to burn, the Moon causes tides. So my answer to the question “why does life exist” is: It does, because it can, and it can’t exist because it cannot.

    February 9, 2014 at 9:19 pm |
  5. Jane

    Wow after reading through the comment section I was hesitant to comment. There seems to be the same people over and over again riping into anyone who disagrees with them. Just so you know you represent your arguments well but not in the way you might hope. You clearly demonstrate that your ONLY interest is in forcing your view point down others throats. You have no desire to have a discussion. Your too busy being showing off your intellect and how clever you are. It isn't it clever or right to destroy discussion. When you make it all about you, then ideas can't be shared and people can't learn. I am a kid and I don't even do that to people I disagree with. Grow up.

    February 9, 2014 at 5:58 pm |

    What´s really sad is that the ignorant believers in ALL GODS have wasted the reality of this universe on the one life they will ever have living is a twilight fantasy existance...

    February 9, 2014 at 3:30 pm |
    • HOPE

      T-Rex: Creationists do not live a sad existence at all. We have abundant lives and take great joy in acknowledging our CREATOR and SUSTAINER. Then, even more jubilantly, we have the blessed HOPE of looking forward to a home in Paradise for our redeemed souls (that 'consciousness' only explained by the creationists). What is truly SAD are those who have chosen to exercise God-given free will to reject their own MAKER – who longs to be revealed to them. If you will simply attempt to reach Him, your Creator will show you AMAZING discoveries – unfathomable to you at present!

      February 10, 2014 at 11:25 am |
      • OTOH

        " who longs to be revealed to them."

        A perfect being would not "long" for anything, not even worship.

        February 10, 2014 at 11:31 am |
        • luvisreal

          LONGING for acknowledgement is not an imperfection OTHO. When you accomplish a great task for someone, of course you want others to respond and ideally to let you know they are pleased or blessed by the gesture. How much more would the Creator of all GIFTS of land, water, air and LIFE itself – desire to be recognized? Your ability to think this through came from HIM – why not say THANKS?!

          February 12, 2014 at 3:49 pm |
        • myweightinwords

          Actually, when I do something for someone, I mostly don't even want them to know it was me.

          I don't do it for reward or praise. I do it because it is good and right.

          Any god worth my time has no need of praise or worship for existing or for any perceived blessing. A "Hey, thanks for that, I appreciate" is sufficient.

          February 13, 2014 at 11:50 am |
        • luvisreal

          You misunderstand! Your Creator does want acknowlegement of His gifts to you – but even more so He desires for you to seek His wisdom. God knows that we have many trials on this earth – and He avails us the wonderful opportunity to learn from Him how to cope and persevere. There is no one worth your time like the One who devotes His to sustain your life each day!

          February 14, 2014 at 12:27 am |
        • myweightinwords

          No, I don't misunderstand.

          I know that reading the bible tells me that this god (who in reality isn't one god at all, but comes from an amalgamation of various tribal gods as the ancient Hebrews coalesced into a nation) is bi-polar at best, and behaves like a spoiled child who throws his favorite toys into the trash if they make him unhappy.

          As I said, any god who NEEDs or DESIRES my praise just for existing is not a god I need in my life. And as to wisdom? I get that from my gods without having to bow down and worship them.

          And no, I don't believe any god sustains my life everyday. I do that. I'm the one who works so I can eat and keep a roof over my head. I'm the one who goes to the doctor to take care of my health.

          February 14, 2014 at 7:03 am |
        • luvisreal

          In reference to your statement: "I know that reading the bible tells me that this god (who in reality isn't one god at all, but comes from an amalgamation of various tribal gods as the ancient Hebrews coalesced into a nation)..." "Elohim" is the original Hebrew term for God. It is an unusual type of word referred to as 'uniplural'. It is defined as many facets in One being. Christians refer to Him as a 'trinity': Father, Son, and Holy Spirit – but His statements throughout scripture clearly indicate that He considers Himself ONE GOD. If by your reference to throwing toys, you are alluding to His displays of wrath over the disobedience of His Creations – call it more accurately 'righteous judgment'. You get wisdom from "your gods"? Wondering what or who they might be – certainly powerless to produce the food you receive from the earth or to design the white blood cells that keep you healthy. He is the Great Physician too, you know! Praying you will cease taking your Creator for granted. He is so worthy of your LOVE and PRAISE!

          February 14, 2014 at 5:28 pm |
        • myweightinwords

          If you're going to pray, try using the time to pray for peace and a cure to cancer and AIDs and for an end to violence against children, and an end to war. I'm sure that's a much better use of your time than praying for me to "come back" to the god you cling to.

          Been there, done that, have the T-shirt and not much else.

          As to the rest...I've done my studying on the subject, The god currently worshiped by Christians and Jews is an amalgam of multiple gods, including the Elohim. Rather than just reading Christian apologetics on the subject, try some texts that come from a place outside of religion to get a little perspective.

          The trinity portion of it, I'm pretty convinced comes from misunderstanding of several Pagan "three in one" gods and goddesses. The difference is, most Pagan trinities don't actually believe they are all one being,

          Yes, my gods. The gods of my ancestors, the gods I give my service to. Each of them has a lesson to teach me, And yes, they are gods of the earth, gods of healing, gods of war.

          Of course, what I believe about Divinity is complicated and this is not the forum to really discuss it. Suffice it to say that your concept of god is not something I believe in. At all.

          February 15, 2014 at 2:53 pm |
        • luvisreal

          I will not pray that you come "back" to the religion of your past – but to a true relationship with the Living God Himself. Many have come up empty after seeking watered-down Christianity. I have observed this repeatedly and have exhaustively studied secular sources for many years – comprising most of my formal education. Most certainly, the Judeo-Christian God is definitely not an amalgam of invented pagan gods. The Bible consistently refers to the uniplural Elohim in both old and new testaments (Gen. 1:26, Isaiah 6:8, & Matt. 28:19). Furthermore, this God Almighty confirms His existence to me every day that I live – and really does want to do the same for you. This debate is not by chance – but by His divine appointment. I am merely God's instrument to inform you that your Creator is real and actively pursuing the hearts of men. Your various gods have no power to heal or acknowledge your service. Many of them are possessed by the actual enemy of your soul. Please recognize the truth I share with you – simply humble yourself before the omnipresent God of all things and ask Him for a clear revelation. While I will assuredly continue praying for those who suffer physically and for an end to world strife – I will additionally ask my Lord to lead you to the Prince of Peace and Redeemer of all mankind – Jesus Christ! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FwJzTV1uurU

          February 16, 2014 at 8:24 pm |
        • myweightinwords

          You don't know me or my story, what I believed...any of that.

          You are being condescending and arrogant in your effort to present yourself as a humble servant.

          My leaving the faith you cling to was not an easy thing. It was, however the right thing. Today I am a far, far better person than I was then. Today I understand love in ways I never could then.

          Sorry to disappoint you, but I've found a path that is leading me where I want to go. I'm not jumping onto a path that has already proven to me that it can never take me there.

          February 16, 2014 at 11:59 pm |
        • truluv4u

          Why is asking you to humble yourself before God coming across as arrogant and condescending? Perhaps deep within you there is a conviction which urges you to search further. "I've found a path that is leading me where I want to go." How can you be certain? Have you received visions from Christ or the down-payment of heaven (Baptism of the Holy Spirit) as a full-gospel Christian? There is so much more than you have ever experienced – praying some day you will understand. For now, go in peace!

          February 17, 2014 at 11:09 am |
        • myweightinwords

          Like I said, you don't know me, or my story. When I say "been there, done that" I'm not blowing smoke.

          How can I be certain the path I'm on is the one I want? Because I've tested it. I've made informed choices. I've become a better human being. I've found love. Not the passive aggressive malarkey that the bible tries to teach us is love, but absolute, unconditional love and it transformed my entire life.

          To your questions about my experience as a Christian, yes and yes. But you know what? I have also experienced healing in a Pagan ritual. I have felt the touch of the Divine in Buddhist meditation and while dancing to Pombagira.

          The Divine is not confined to some book, or some dogma or some viewpoint. It is so much bigger. I think you're the one whose experiences need to expand. I pray one day you find that kind of love, one that does not seek your praise, one that has no need of glory, one that loves you as you are without asking you to change, or follow some random set of rules.

          February 17, 2014 at 11:42 am |
        • truluv4u

          I have studied both the Theravada and the Mahayana forms of Buddhism – finding them very contradictory. Because you were created in the image of the true God, you are able to experience some degree of love and peace while enjoying all of His gracious earthly blessings (that even atheists enjoy.) However, these are very finite. Someday you WILL understand this. God is LOVE! He IS the Creator of all things – and only Jesus Christ (not Buddha or anyone else) arose from death to prove His deity and claim of atonement for our sins. The deities of which you speak are not from Him. They deceive many for a while – but their judgment is surely coming for doing so. You are bound to discover this eventually – praying you will unveil the deception long before your soul departs. I now wash my hands of this exchange and commit you to retrieval by my Lord!

          February 17, 2014 at 12:05 pm |
        • myweightinwords

          Trust me, you aren't saying anything I haven't heard (or even said myself) before. You speak from a place where you have blinders on. You have decided you know the truth and are unwilling to look beyond that truth, however limited and confining that is.

          There are many dying and reborn gods. There are many myths that mirror each other, most come from a time before Christ, before even the Hebrew population became the "chosen" of YHWH. They represent a need of man to understand why evil exists, why life isn't merely a paradise.

          I've been the person you are today. Then one day I saw myself for the cruel, capricious, self-righteous hypocrite I had become and I didn't want to be that person any more. I found something out then.

          There is no sin. There is no hell. There is no heaven. This is the life we're given and we have to make the most of it.

          I wish you well, and I will pray that you find the truth one day and feel the true, transforming power of realizing you are not dung on the bottom of some vindictive god's shoe.

          February 17, 2014 at 4:52 pm |
        • truluv4u

          FINAL admonition: Please listen to this link – and then, ideally, find the book it summarizes. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=shdFVBmZtU4

          February 17, 2014 at 2:51 pm |
      • igaftr

        Hope...what is truly sad is people accepting a god that no one can show exists, accept the word of ignorant superst!tious men that MADE UP the bible.

        You are the same as the tribe on a south sea island from WWII. We accidentally airdropped a jeep. They didn't kknow what it was, could not fathom that people made it, and worshipped it as a god. You belief has just as much evidence it is what you think it is...sad, very sad. I guess you were the one born that minute.

        February 10, 2014 at 11:40 am |
        • The Running Twit

          They worshipped the jeep because it was dropped on the island bully and killed him!

          February 10, 2014 at 11:43 am |
        • luvisreal

          IRONIC! Creationists could use the very same illustration in describing atheists. "You are the same as the tribe on a south sea island from WWII. We accidentally airdropped a jeep. They didn't kknow what it was, could not fathom that people made it," Just as these (less evolved?) tribesmen could not comprehend that the jeep had a builder – you likewise do not recognize that this incredible, much more complex WORLD had an intelligent DESIGNER. HE gave you the physical and mental capability to understand this wonderful concept – yet you continually REFUSE to give Him the credit that He so WELL DESERVES.! Why not consider the possibility that you were made in HIS VERY IMAGE – your life can only get BETTER!!!

          February 12, 2014 at 4:14 pm |
        • igaftr

          There continues to be absolutley NO EVIDENCE of any gods.
          I fail to see how a god delusion is going to help my life in any way.
          I reached out to him for decades, he is either not there, or he chose to ignore me...I believe the former.

          How do you know that YOUR god exists, and it is YOUR god, considering men have created thousands of gods...I see no reason to think yours wasn't just another one that man created.
          Then considering how wrong the bible is, a god would not have gotten so much wrong, and we know that men wrote your book. The bible is a collection of old stories and myths....nothing more.

          February 12, 2014 at 4:35 pm |
      • danab1234

        HOPE is a great example of what TYANNASAURUS wrote about.

        February 24, 2014 at 10:41 pm |
        • truluv4u

          If HOPE is 'living a twilight fantasy existence' – perhaps you should consider the probability that you may be living one that is wasted on the unwise gamble of denying your own Maker. He wants much more for your life – temporal and eternal!

          February 24, 2014 at 11:54 pm |

    The simple answer is that the LAWS OF PHYSICS does not allow for CREATIONISM.....because its not mathamatically provable.

    February 9, 2014 at 3:18 pm |
    • Theist with a fuzzy gray pet

      For some of us it isn't that we don't believe in evolution. It's only that when a very small animal shows us such undeserved compassion as to curl up in our arms we want someone to thank.

      February 9, 2014 at 7:45 pm |
      • Dandintac

        Then thank those actually responsible! Thank the breeder. Thank yourself or your spouse or whoever decided to get the dog. Thank the dog itself, with kindness and love. People are all too quick to blame themselves, even when it's not due, and then give all credit to a God, even when they themselves are the ones who deserve the credit.

        February 9, 2014 at 8:07 pm |
    • luvisreal

      ACTUALLY, the converse is true. Evolution and entropy are opposites. See this link:http://www.icr.org/article/evolution-thermodynamics-entropy/

      February 12, 2014 at 3:56 pm |
    • luvisreal

      ACTUALLY, the converse is true. Evolution and entropy are opposites. See this link:http://www.icr.org/article/evolution-thermodynamics-entropy/

      February 12, 2014 at 4:16 pm |
  8. Tom Bowers

    I thought we already had this monkey trial like last century. What is the point of debating someone who believes in fairies ?

    February 9, 2014 at 4:12 am |
    • Bootyfunk

      to show he is pushing an ignorant 'theory"
      unfortunately, a majority of people still believe in the invisible sky fairy
      debates like this can push those on the fence toward reality
      a very good thing

      February 9, 2014 at 6:09 am |
      • Dandintac

        Booty and Tom,

        Don't believe that no one is ever convinced and persuaded to change their minds. It's true that some people are so totally brainwashed and ideologically blinkered that nothing will penetrate. "Nothing will shake their faith!" I think is the common expression. And it's true–if someone does not believe in reason and evidence, what possible reasons or evidence could you use to persuade them? But this is not true of everyone. I was once a Christian myself. Many other atheists were as well.

        And people ARE persuaded to change their minds, but it takes a lot, and bit by bit. It's usually a long process of erosion. We need to destroy the bandwagon. To stay silent is to cede the debate. And there WILL be a debate, with or without us. When Internet message boards first started appearing in the mid-90s, I got into a heated political debate. I picked out one person I thought I could persuade, and spent a huge amount of effort going back and forth with them, using every argument I could muster. To no avail–they remained absolutely unmoved. However, another person, who I thought was hopeless, responded to me and thanked me, saying that I had changed his mind and he would modify his thinking.

        I have no doubt that Bill Nye did not get through to Ken Ham. But who knows, maybe he got through to some other people? So don't give up arguing in public forums like this. It's who is listening, not who is arguing, that will be moved.

        February 9, 2014 at 5:10 pm |
      • truluv4u

        PLEASE don't plan to take the risk of sky diving anytime in the near future! You are admittedly not yet prepared to meet your mocked MAKER. Though the sky is NOT the limit for His patience – there will be a day of accounting any time now, or at most, within just a few DECADES. Of course, we know all too well how time flies!

        February 24, 2014 at 12:47 pm |
        • dandintac

          There it is–the implied threat of Hell. Christians almost always have a way of getting back to this. The Threat.

          Is this really the best you have to offer in the way of "evidence"? Believe me or else?

          This is one of the reasons I DON'T believe. Ask yourself: What would you think of any other claim–any claim at all–that carried with it a threat. Evidence? Here's the evidence: believe me or else. If you asked me to provide proof for the Theory of Plate Techtonics, and you knew nothing at all about it. Instead of listing some hard evidence, I said instead: "If you don't believe it, you are going to burn forever in a lake of fire after you die. Trust me!"

          Would this make my Plate Techtonics claim more credible, or less credible?

          The Hell threats are no longer persuasive. All they do is p!ss people off, and convince us that we are right not to believe a claim that is so stupid, that instead of evidence, we are given threats–which themselves can never be proven. It's all supposed to happen after we die.

          February 24, 2014 at 10:01 pm |
        • truluv4u

          THREAT vs. warning: The former is when a person actually implies that he/she will directly harm someone. The latter is not necessarily so. Sharing with you my belief in the knowledge that there will be a judgment for how you invest your life is more akin to someone stopping your car to thoughtfully warn you that a bridge ahead has collapsed and that you should therefore make a U-turn. If you ignore that person – assuming they are misled or lying altogether – proceeding on down that road will be very risky indeed. Similarly, continuing to deny your Creator is a profoundly unwise gamble!

          February 26, 2014 at 7:15 pm |
  9. Regis

    in my opinion it's a waste of a debate , believe in what you want to believe in . whatever makes you happy but you should also show respect and not judge and name call those who may not believe or have the same views as you do . I personally believe in god and feel that a higher power had a hand in creating this amazing world and it's inhabiters . I think religion and science have some common ground with a lot of science it's theories and educated guesses an opinions on what they feel happened or how old something may be it's a bit of guesstimating in my opinion .

    February 7, 2014 at 9:55 pm |
    • Darryl

      " its inhabiters" "its theories", stupid.

      Don't try to equate religion and science. Religion is what stupid folk do. You are one of them.

      February 8, 2014 at 9:36 am |
      • Murdering Mongoose

        No need to be a big old meaniee Darryl, i'm a christian and i belive in evolution, so lets all get along! and singggggggg a happpyyyy songgggg YEAH!!!

        February 10, 2014 at 1:05 pm |
      • luvisreal

        Dear Daryl – Yes, many religions are man-made, but there is so much more that you have not discovered about your existence. You must search for the answers you need.  Evolution science does not have them.  You were CREATED with many amazing capabilities that you should never misuse or take for granted.  "Only fools say in their hearts, "There is no God." – Psalm 14:1  Let this not be true of you!      

        February 11, 2014 at 9:21 am |

      Science and religion have nothing in common...science is the discovery of reality of the real universe and religion is the ignorant persons fantatsy....for those terrified of this real world.

      February 9, 2014 at 3:23 pm |
      • HOPE

        So sad for you T-Rex! My guess is that you, like most all atheists, have not even studied Creation science indepthly. If I had entrusted the impossible probability that NOTHING made EVERYTHING on this incredibly, complex earth – the theory of origins that was poured into my mind for the first two decades of my life – I would possibly still be in your same mental rut. Thankfully, my curiosity (and the Creator Himself – as I realize now) compelled me to search into other possibilities which are more LOGICAL and purposeful. I now KNOW that human beings were distinctly created in the image of Almighty God. We are not mere animals, incapable of pondering our destinies. There is an eternity waiting for our souls, T-Rex – and since you have no guarantee that your magificently designed heart will continue pumping blood to sustain your life another day on this earth, you would be wise to search more thoroughly for the TRUTH of why you are HERE!

        February 9, 2014 at 5:04 pm |
        • Dandintac


          If you are brazen enough to declare Creationism a "science", then please name at least one testable Creationist hypothesis, and at least one experiment performed from such a hypothesis. If you cannot, then Creationism has not earned the right to call itself a "science".

          February 9, 2014 at 5:25 pm |
        • Now that's just stupid...

          ah, er, and who/what logically made the "Creator"? The Creator after an eternity decided to create?

          February 9, 2014 at 9:01 pm |
        • igaftr

          "I now KNOW that human beings were distinctly created in the image of Almighty God."

          You KNOW nothing of the sort. You do not know if there are any gods, and if so, which of the thousands man has worshipped it is, or one that no one knows about.
          To make that assertion, with confidence, is nothing short of delusion. Accept the FACT that you do not know.

          February 10, 2014 at 10:55 am |
      • luvisreal

        GOD created science – which is knowledge. True religion is about HIM – therefore the two are inextricably entwined. You must accept this eventually – preferably on this side of eternity. Do not continue in your ignorance – your Creator has so much more for you!

        February 12, 2014 at 4:21 pm |
  10. Sivick

    so the bible is to be taken literally? what happened to the whole not mixing fabrics thing? not eating shellfish? they were pretty specific on that. Just gonna ignore those parts eh? 6000 years wasn't even in the bible, it was some monk who had too much free time on his hands centuries ago. Not exactly valid scientific process there. the bible also says the earth is flat and the center of the universe. guess we're just gonna ignore all that crazy stuff huh? creationists aren't just wacky believers, they're just stupid.

    February 7, 2014 at 12:25 pm |
    • DRJJ

      Einstein re creation: we're all like a little child entering a huge library with 1000s of books, written in many languages. The little child knows someone must have written those books!

      February 7, 2014 at 3:00 pm |
      • Observer

        “I see only with deep regret that God punishes so many of His children for their numerous stupidities, for which only He Himself can be held responsible; in my opinion, only His nonexistence could excuse Him.”
        - Albert Einstein, letter to Edgar Meyer, 1/02/1915

        February 7, 2014 at 4:04 pm |
        • athensguy

          Touche! nicely done

          February 8, 2014 at 2:02 pm |

          Its impossible to pin anything on that that doesn´t exist.....so the non nothing is safe.

          February 9, 2014 at 3:26 pm |
        • truluv4u

          "Science without religion is lame...True religion is real living; living with all one's soul, with all one's goodness and righteousness...
          That deep emotional conviction of the presence of a superior reasoning power, which is revealed in the incomprehensible universe, forms my idea of God." – Einstein

          February 25, 2014 at 10:40 pm |
        • dandintac


          "“Science without religion is lame…"

          Your quote leaves out an important part where the ellipse appears. The full quote is: “Science without religion is lame. Religion without science is blind."

          If you keep doing this, you'll be obliged to shorten your moniker to "luv4u" and omit the "tru" part.

          As far as the rest of Einstein's quote–it certainly doesn't sound like he conceives of religion in a way that conforms to the modern American Christian view at all. More of a deist or pantheistic view it sounds like to me. In fact, he explicitly stated that he did not believe in a personal god, and described himself as an agnostic. He rejected the label of atheist, simply because like Neil deGrasse Tyson, he perceived atheists as having more of a "crusading spirit" (Einstein's words). But these labels matter little regarding the heart of the matter–which is this: neither Einstein, Tyson, myself, and other atheists and agnostics believe in your god.

          February 26, 2014 at 12:03 am |
        • truluv4u

          MY INTENT with that college of Einstein's quotes was simply to point out that he believed in the CREATOR – unlike atheists. His comment "Religion without science is blind" is also very true – given that scientia is knowledge – and most religions were designed by men who did not have TRUTH revealed from through the risen Christ... BTW, Einstein does believe in my God now – as will Tyson and YOU within a few decades. (Praying SOON!)

          February 26, 2014 at 7:08 pm |
        • dandintac


          You are misrepresenting Einstein's position on the God claim. Einstein spoke of God much the same way that Stephen Hawking does–that is, figuratively, not literally. To try to use Einstein in support of your theistic position is fundamentally dishonest, and if you consider yourself to be ethical, I really think you should drop this. It's a losing argument you are using.

          I'll let Einstein speak for himself here:

          "It was, of course, a lie what you read about my religious convictions, a lie which is being systematically repeated. I do not believe in a personal God and I have never denied this but have expressed it clearly. If something is in me which can be called religious then it is the unbounded admiration for the structure of the world so far as our science can reveal it."

          And theists continue to repeat these systematic lies–even long after Einstein's death.

          February 26, 2014 at 9:44 pm |
        • truluv4u

          ONCE AGAIN – Einstein explained did not believe in a PERSONAL God – but clearly DID espouse that there is a CREATOR – in the remote deist sense of the idea. Jesus Christ is a personal deity – apparently not accepted by Einstein – though NOW he surely does know that truth. You atheists are actually the ones losing this argument – because any objective person reading a large sampling of Einstein's statements would agree that he acknowledged – on numerous occasions – an intelligent designer of the universe. In Fact, whether you want to admit it or not – MOST scientists in history have believed in Him. Case CLOSED!

          February 26, 2014 at 10:46 pm |
        • hotairace

          truluv4u, are either misled or a liar, as suggested by this clear statement from Einstein:

          “It was, of course, a lie what you read about my religious convictions, a lie which is being systematically repeated. I do not believe in a personal God and I have never denied this but have expressed it clearly. If something is in me which can be called religious then it is the unbounded admiration for the structure of the world so far as our science can reveal it.”

          February 26, 2014 at 7:18 pm |
        • truluv4u

          EINSTEIN believed in a Creator God – most likely as a deist. They believe that an intelligent being created the universe – yet did not involve Himself with it any further. Please read my posts carefully and study various belief systems. Only ONE teaches that we can have an actual relationship with the Living God. The remaining are mere religions constructed by men who devised ideas for earning one's entry into heaven. Biblical Christianity contrasts sharply with its emphasis on salvation being received as a gracious GIFT – purchased by the Son of God Himself – who changes believers from the inside out. Please see the new movie, which wonderfully illustrates this unique opportunity!

          February 26, 2014 at 7:30 pm |
        • hotairace

          Well that clears things up. You are a liar.

          February 26, 2014 at 7:35 pm |
        • truluv4u

          Bearing false witness AGAIN – please re-read this quote: "That deep emotional conviction of the presence of a superior reasoning power, which is revealed in the incomprehensible universe, forms my idea of God." Now read this one – also from Einstein: "I want to know how God created this world.... I want to know His thoughts; the rest are details." Atheists don't make comments like these. I did not LIE in my post – believing such an action would greatly offend my Creator and Savior.

          February 26, 2014 at 8:08 pm |
        • hotairace

          You are misrepresenting Einstein's statements, deliberately so, therefore you are a liar. Specifically, you are applying *your* definition of god to Einstein's words, not his. You should go find out what Einstein meant by the word god.

          February 26, 2014 at 8:14 pm |
        • truluv4u

          You don't seem to understand the term DEIST. Please research it! Einstein was probably not a Christian – but was no atheist either. Seek the TRUTH instead of blowing hot air with your insults and false accusations. They are not constructive to a civil debate!

          February 26, 2014 at 8:18 pm |
        • hotairace


          “I cannot accept any concept of God based on the fear of life or the fear of death or blind faith. I cannot prove to you that there is no personal God, but if I were to speak of him I would be a liar.”

          Einstein might have been a deist according to deism.com's definition, but not yours. You believe in a different god and the divinity of some desert dweller named jesus. Einstein did not. You are a liar.

          February 26, 2014 at 8:50 pm |
        • truluv4u

          Liar, liar, pants on fire? It seems like an impossible task to debate a childish name-caller. However, your deism.com site reads this regarding their belief, like Einstein, in a Creator: "Deism is knowledge of God based on the application of our reason on the designs/laws found throughout Nature.The designs presuppose a Designer." This is basically what I indicated that Einstein believed – much differing from atheism. Never did I say he claimed to believe in Jesus Christ . SIGH! At this point, I can only pray that the Almighty will reveal His true nature to you – not as a mere crucified desert dweller – but as the risen divine Son of the Living God. May He infuse a cooling breeze into the core of your wounded soul – that your future ID may become HolySpiritRace!

          February 26, 2014 at 11:02 pm |
    • Joel's Bar

      No where in the Bible does it say the earth is flat or at the center of the universe. I get it that it's easy to slag on believers with all the "young earth" morons, but let's at least keep it honest, mmk?

      February 9, 2014 at 12:27 am |
      • Mary Rogers

        Joel: "No where in the Bible does it say the earth is flat or at the center of the universe"


        Biblical cosmology (these are cut and pasted to save time but they are from my own research):

        1. A flat circular earth surround by ocean on all sides (some creationists claim that a verse referring to "the circle of the earth" means that the writer knew that the earth was round. But it says "circle" not sphere)

        2. A solid dome over the earth called the "firmament" which separated "the waters above" from "the waters below" meaning sky and ocean. The sun, moon and the stars are suspended in this solid dome and above it is a "storehouse of rain" that God let loose periodically. Above that is a literal physical heaven.

        Obviously the idea of outer space and the vast distances of it would not have even occured to the writers of the bible. But when modern Christians read the bible they read into it modern science instead of what is written. Ironically they believe that they are taking the bible literally.

        One big proof we have that this is EXACTLY how they envisioned the Universe is that we have actual maps from the Ancient Near East depicting this cosmology.

        Ironically the Flat Earth Society (which still exists based in my hometown..WINCE) are actually right in terms of how to interpret the cosmology of the bible. But even most creationists don't go that far although they expect everyone to take the rest of the Genesis literally. While I am willing to acknowledge that most people are unaware of this, the Ken Ham's of the world do..and yet STILL ignore it or explain it away.

        February 10, 2014 at 9:28 pm |
        • luvisreal

          Dear Mary – You are very mistaken in your comments.  Please see the following link which so well explains what the bible teaches regarding cosmology.   There is so much you should learn.  I have studied both theories of origins for decades.  Creationism is by far the most logical and evidential.   http://www.answersingenesis.org/articles/tba/universe-confirms-bible                                                                                          

          February 11, 2014 at 9:11 am |
    • Brandon

      Don't forget not destroy the temple that is your body lol that means all those piercings and tattoos religious people have these days makes their "creator" angry but what do they care? When was the last time they read the bible before spouting off about "my beliefs are right and yours are wrong change to my views or I'll label you as immoral and a "sinner"" part of that book they're so fond of says something about them not being the one who gets to judge the rest of us...hmmm they all must've skipped that chapter apparently because all you ever hear from them is that noise little kids make when they cover their ears and don't pay attention...wait I just now figured it out!!! God is religious peoples "father" so they get to act like children!!!

      February 9, 2014 at 2:53 pm |
  11. Lucifer's Evil Twin

    In the beginning the Universe was created. This has made a lot of people very angry and has been widely regarded as a bad move. – Douglas Adams

    February 7, 2014 at 11:38 am |
  12. really guys

    .Adam and Eve are not meant to be taken literally.
    Its just a metaphor for the original sin.
    God could have created the universe and man could have evolved.
    I mean the universe and its laws must have come from somewhere.
    Even Isaac Newton believed in God.

    February 7, 2014 at 10:07 am |
    • OTOH

      "Even Isaac Newton believed in God"

      Isaac Newton also believed in the occult, including The Philosopher's Stone to create gold!


      February 7, 2014 at 12:33 pm |
      • athensguy

        indeed! he was into the occult and mysticism. the converse "argument" is, Hitler was Catholic. we can go on and on finding good people ho are atheists, good people who are theists, and both good and bad people who are atheists. This really do not help the ev v. creat, or sc v religion debate at all. no points scored.

        February 8, 2014 at 2:10 pm |
    • nomnom

      Adam and Eve aren't a metaphor for original sin. According to the Hebrew bible Adam had a first wife (Lilith) and didn't like her so much because she had her own idea's because "god" had created them as equeal. Adam, acting like a spoiled child, threw a tantrum and asked 'god' to make his someone who would listen to him. Along comes Eve... if you believe such nonsense.

      February 7, 2014 at 3:10 pm |
      • athensguy

        kinda like the old version of "shut up and go make me a sandwich". That is, indeed, a non-sense.

        February 8, 2014 at 2:21 pm |
    • Science Works

      really guys – old stuff before you know who ?

      Oldest Known Hearth Found in Israel Cave
      New species of early human cooked there 300,000 years ago, say archaeologists.


      February 8, 2014 at 7:37 am |
    • athensguy

      where in the bible does it say it is a metaphor? so, what you are really saying is that the word of this "god" is to be interpreted to suit our interests or abilities? it is not a codex? thus, there are no laws of god, no commandments, therefore no sins. I concluded all in the bible is a metaphor, thus equally valid as it counterpoint, thus there is no sin. Consequently, we need no god.

      February 8, 2014 at 2:05 pm |
      • cocopuf4u

        In your case, being blind and even willingly ignorant is not an excuse but your own choice. You then must know more than the whole universe and beyond put together. Yes?

        February 8, 2014 at 8:42 pm |
    • cocopuf4u

      Dr. Einstein said, and I quote "God does not play dice." Do you know why he said that? ... because you'd lose.

      February 8, 2014 at 8:49 pm |
      • saggyroy

        Because he was discussing the nature of quantum physics with Neils Bohr. Eintstein didn't accept quantum, theory because of the uncertainty principle. Einstein's god was Spinoza's god. He was a deist.

        February 9, 2014 at 8:12 am |
  13. Trevor

    What I don't understand is that Ham claims the Bible is true because there was a witness who wrote it down. By this same logic Harry Potter is true because someone wrote it down. Star Wars really happened because someone wrote it down. 1984 really happened also. Just because someone wrote something down makes it true?

    February 5, 2014 at 7:17 pm |
    • tony

      Selectively, of course. Weren't you watching the movie? 😉

      February 5, 2014 at 7:20 pm |
  14. tony

    What makes anyone think that an infinitesimally short life among 7 Billion people is valued, or even noticed, by an supposed all powerful god that has (and has had) the whole universe and it's trillion times trillions times trillions times trillions of probably more knowledable and important life forms its control for at least the past 13 Billion years.

    What could someone from Earth have possibly contributed, compared to all the others, that would lead one to expect to be listened to, preserved and then given a heaven to live in for the rest of eternity?

    February 5, 2014 at 7:17 pm |
    • Jonny M

      You're very right. From the most evil human being to the most spotless Christian. Nothing we DO makes us worthy. But Jesus died for us anyway. Without him we are worthless. Through we are something more. It doesn't matter what you've done in your life. Don't trust in a religion but trust in Jesus and his teachings

      February 7, 2014 at 8:52 pm |
      • Ken Margo

        "Jesus died for us anyway. Without him we are worthless."

        Speak for yourself. You got self confidence issues.

        February 7, 2014 at 9:47 pm |
  15. pgennar

    Don’t put your faith in God, put your faith in medicine. One leaves your fate in an array of brilliant minds striving to progress society with human intuition, observation and reason; faith in ourselves, while the other leaves your fate at the will of a pre-imposed belief, rendering man’s own incompetency clear to himself.

    February 5, 2014 at 5:43 pm |
    • Kev

      Why can't you put your faith in both God and medicine?

      February 5, 2014 at 6:48 pm |
    • tony

      Don't ever take CIPRO or any of the other QUINALONE family of antibiotics. The side effects, which occur far more frequently than claimed, are tendon ruptures and for the really unlucky instant , excrucuatingly painful permanent nerve damage in arms and legs. The feds just updated the warning labels a coupal weeks ago, but as usual- too little too late.

      February 5, 2014 at 7:06 pm |
      • fluroquinolones


        Fluoroquinolones, still not as bad as the penicillins

        February 6, 2014 at 2:58 am |
      • fluroquinolones

        They still teach this, with any med you give (or take) you have to look at it like it's a minute amount of poison.

        February 6, 2014 at 2:59 am |
  16. Ken Margo

    If we are created by god, I'm sure he's disaapointed by what he's seen!
    How come there are different gods? Is there a justice league up there like in the cartoons?
    The repubs say global warming is natural. Why doesn't god stop it?
    Why did god create ho.mos3xuals?
    Why does god need a mere mortal to explain his thinking when he can do it himself?
    If children are a gift from god and premarital s3x is a sin. How do singles conceive?
    If god is more powerful than satan, why doesn't god kill satan?

    Just wondering.

    February 5, 2014 at 4:59 pm |
    • God

      If we are created by god, I'm sure he's disaapointed by what he's seen!

      ^^^^Saying I'm disapointed is like saying the ocean is a "little" water.

      How come there are different gods? Is there a justice league up there like in the cartoons?

      ^^^^ Call me anything you want, it's still me, just messin with you. Ha ha.

      The repubs say global warming is natural. Why doesn't god stop it?

      ^^^^ How do you think the Big bang happened? The planet gets hot enough, explodes,takes
      down the universe and Bam..there's another one right behind it. How many times
      has this conversation happened? Lots.

      Why did god create ho.mos3xuals?

      ^^^^^ Slows down overpopulation without war.

      Why does god need a mere mortal to explain his thinking when he can do it himself?

      ^^^^ Here I have and I did.

      If children are a gift from god and premarital s3x is a sin. How do singles conceive?

      ^^^^ Overpopulation issue again.

      If god is more powerful than satan, why doesn't god kill satan?

      ^^^^ I did. Do you see him anywhere? Okay then.

      Just wondering.

      ^^^^Questions are good. Pointless, but good.

      February 5, 2014 at 7:25 pm |
      • Ken Margo

        ^^^^Saying I'm disapointed is like saying the ocean is a "little" water.
        Do something about it then.

        ^^^^ Call me anything you want, it's still me, just messin with you. Ha ha.
        How about being called a phony, self centered and evil. Is that calling you enough?

        ^^^^ How do you think the Big bang happened? The planet gets hot enough, explodes,takes
        down the universe and Bam..there's another one right behind it. How many times
        has this conversation happened? Lots.
        So you're saying the world is going to end? Please give us a date like your phony followers. By my estimation the world should have ended 20 times ago!

        ^^^^^ Slows down overpopulation without war.
        So ho.mos3xuals have an important function! tell your bigoted followers to respect their rights.

        ^^^^ Here I have and I did.
        Great, god blogs.

        ^^^^ Overpopulation issue again.
        In other words you don't know how singles concieve?

        ^^^^ I did. Do you see him anywhere? Okay then.
        You killed satan? Great. No need to go to church and give them money. H3ll doesn't exist.

        February 5, 2014 at 8:40 pm |
    • Jonny M

      You're right in saying God is disappointed and great questions. The biggest point is God gave every human a choice. God could set everything right but the time hasn't come for that. If God killed Satan, evil would be over and people would only be good. God wants us to choose him but he won't force us to do anything we don't honestly want to do.

      February 7, 2014 at 8:44 pm |
      • Ken Margo

        "If God killed Satan, evil would be over and people would only be good."
        Isn't being good the whole idea? So now you're saying god let satan live so people can choose to be bad?

        "God wants us to choose him but he won't force us to do anything we don't honestly want to do."
        According to you god believes in choice. So why are anti abortionists anti choice?

        February 7, 2014 at 9:42 pm |
  17. I'm not a GOPer, nor do I play one on TV

    In a similar vein:

    "If I only had a brain"

    Why, If I had a brain, I could …

    I could understand a theory,
    Of humans growin’ clearly,
    Without the mark of Cain.
    With the species all evolvin’
    And the planets all revolvin’,
    If I only had a brain

    I’d forget about ‘creation’
    And God over the nation,
    And flush them down the drain,

    With an intellect so charmin’,
    You could be another Darwin,
    If you only had a brain.

    Oh I, could tell you how, primates evolve to men.
    I could tell you how the earth began and when,
    In thousand years, it’s more than ten!

    I would be an unbeliever,
    No “God I’m scared to see yer
    Eternity in pain”
    With some science & some reason,
    I don’t really think it’s treason,
    If you use your fricking brain.

    Music and original lyrics here:

    I've posted that one before.

    February 5, 2014 at 4:53 pm |
    • Steve Wilkinson

      When I saw the preview photo of the video, I thought maybe you were going to be making a comment on all the straw-men of Christianity being attacked and triumphantly burned in the comment section. But, instead you go for the ad-hominem... yep, the 'reason' crowd for sure. 😉

      February 5, 2014 at 7:03 pm |
      • True

        This blog has more straw men than a corn field.

        February 5, 2014 at 8:07 pm |
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