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February 4th, 2014
10:05 PM ET

Creation debate recap: Science, religion and terrible jokes

By Daniel Burke, Belief Blog Co-editor
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(CNN) - Did you miss the debate between creationist Ken Ham and Bill "The Science Guy" Nye?

Don't worry, we've got you covered.

The debate was moderated by CNN's Tom Foreman, and, if there's one thing both sides can agree on, it's that he did a swell job.

Here's almost everything else you need to know, from Genesis to um, Revelation.

- CNN Religion Editor

Filed under: Belief • Bible • Creationism • Evolution • Science • Uncategorized

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  1. Lou

    I know that the creationist new defense can't be " you were not there". If that's the case how do you know anything written down in the bible is true? You weren't there...

    February 5, 2014 at 2:07 am |
    • mary

      You can go that route.. But you have to be willing to admit that neither do you~!

      February 5, 2014 at 2:38 am |
      • Lou

        ahhh but I have bones of big lizards...

        February 5, 2014 at 2:42 am |
    • Craig

      Using the "you weren't there" defense provides some interesting questions. Who wrote down the story of Gensis? There weren't any written languages back then, so clearly whoever wrote it "wasn't there." The same is true for much of the early parts of the Bible. If the Christian folks truly believe the "you weren't there" causes questions, then they'd better take all those folks off the various Death Rows...because very few of them were convicted by evidence offered by someone who was there. That doesn't seem to bother them when it comes to executions.

      February 5, 2014 at 2:46 am |
      • Lou

        Didn't they open up a can of worms with that one?...

        February 5, 2014 at 2:50 am |
      • Tony

        Not a single chapter in the bible was written by someone who was there. Even the New Testament was written at least 60 years after the events supposedly described in them, by people who were born years after the supposed events.

        Just goes to show the complete lack of intelligence in the whole creationist side of the debate that their "champion" couldn't even think that argument through to its logical end.

        February 5, 2014 at 3:00 am |
        • leifeng

          I don't think there is any historical who holds the majority that most of the epistles were written by the claimed author at the time the text claims (with a few exceptions about undeclared authorship of a few books. It is not disputed that all new testament texts were complete within a generation of Jesus's death (or supposed death if you prefer). For the first 3 gospels, they claimed authorship is sometimes disputed, but the 4th gospel is claimed by the text to be written by Luke who claimed to have written the gospel after researching it based on research and interviews with those who were there such as Jesus's disciples. Authorship and the general time of writing is seldom disputed for Luke. Authorship and dating of old testament texts are more in debate. Later prophetical and historical books written between 8th and 4th century BC are all assumed to mostly be written at or close to the time of claimed authorship. There is little information available to collaborate or dispute the authorship of most of the later old testament books.

          February 5, 2014 at 4:13 am |
    • Jamesuk

      But God was there before time began and gave us a written record of the history of the earth.

      February 5, 2014 at 3:14 am |
      • Dingo

        if it were a debate between Bill Nye and God then your argument might sway me a little more.

        February 5, 2014 at 3:20 am |
      • Tony

        So says the very human men who wrote the bible – not "god". JK Rowling talks about dragons in her books, are they real? It's written down, must be true – right?

        February 5, 2014 at 3:22 am |
      • Rob

        God can write? What about the other gods? Are they able to write as well? Are the creation stories that don't involve a Christian god not valid as well?

        February 5, 2014 at 3:27 am |
      • Rob

        You're forgetting one crucial thing: God didn't wrote anything, men did. And since, according to your diatribe, men are sinful, not to be trusted and flawed, the word of god you follow is just as sinful, not to be trusted and flawed as men are themselves.

        February 5, 2014 at 3:40 am |
        • Tony

          Don't confuse them with logic or try and get them to recognise the inconsistency in their own arguments. It just makes them irrational and violent and prone to burning people at the stake.

          February 5, 2014 at 3:56 am |
      • sam stone

        a written record of this history of the earth?

        February 5, 2014 at 5:37 am |
      • truthprevails1

        No it was man who wrote those words. You would need to provide evidence outside of referring to your holy book for your god and in 2000 + years not one of you has been able to provide that evidence.

        February 5, 2014 at 6:36 am |
      • inebriaent

        You are doing great work. I totally support you as do many others. Marduk, the True God of men will reward you in his return! http://9worldchronicles.com/

        February 5, 2014 at 9:12 am |
  2. Spaghetti Monster

    I see that you Creationist also believe that if you can't dazzle then with brilliance then baffle then with bull feces.

    February 5, 2014 at 1:48 am |
    • Atheist Hunter

      It eat spaghetti for breakfast.

      February 5, 2014 at 7:39 am |
  3. Mark

    Since we still have a choice between believing God's Word or the word of man, I will trust God over man.

    February 5, 2014 at 1:47 am |
    • Rob another science guy

      Actually, if you are using the Bible, you are taking man's word. Neither Jesus or God wrote it.

      February 5, 2014 at 1:55 am |
      • Lou

        Deities like to use ghost writers apparently...

        February 5, 2014 at 2:10 am |
      • Mark

        Then why is the Bible commonly knows as God's Word?

        February 5, 2014 at 2:18 am |
        • Lou

          God's word? Factually they are more like ancient goat herding tribe's musings...

          February 5, 2014 at 2:20 am |
        • Observer

          Mark,

          The Bible is a book of some good morals that also contains errors, contradictions, hypocrisy and nonsense. Wouldn't it be better not to credit it all to God?

          February 5, 2014 at 2:23 am |
      • Mark

        The Bible is a product of God who used human writers to reveal truth.

        February 5, 2014 at 2:43 am |
        • Lou

          how do you know that? you weren't there....

          February 5, 2014 at 2:45 am |
        • Observer

          Mark,

          So did the humans get the story right about the embarrassing things about God like supporting slavery and discriminations?

          February 5, 2014 at 2:49 am |
      • Joe

        This is just another way to say there is no God. If there is a God then He obviously can control what is being written on pages as He chooses, or He's not God at all. To say he didn't write it meaning He had nothing to do with it then you're claiming He doesn't exist. And obviously if you think He doesn't exist then you won't agree with the Bible.

        February 5, 2014 at 11:14 am |
        • stevef00

          Joe....do you know what circular logic is? That is when you proclaim that the bible was written by god, and your proof is that the bible tells you that god wrote it. There is no evidence whatsoever for the claim. Sorry.

          February 5, 2014 at 1:48 pm |
      • Pat

        I am a Christian who takes a literal understanding of the Bible. That being said, I understand your comment. If you don't believe there is a God, or you don't believe that He created everything, then it goes to reason that you wouldn't believe that the Bible could be the INSPIRED word of God. I understand where you're coming from, totally.

        But for those of us who DO believe in the first two statements, then it's nothing to think that Almighty God who could create everything in creation could also make sure that His words got into a book exactly as He would want them.

        So truly, I do understand where you're coming from, and I truly respect your opinion. But to make statements that insinuate that someone who disagrees with you is not smart, or is not coming to the discussion with equally strong reasons for believing as they do, doesn't add anything meaningful to the conversation. The one thing I really liked about last night's debate was how both men treated each other with respect. They may disagree about some very fundamental ideas, but that doesn't mean they can't discuss things respectfully. So many of these conversations come down to who can prove he's smarter than the other guy instead of actually trying to explain what you think and why.

        All I'm saying is that throwing out comments that have no real substance, such as the men who wrote the Bible wasn't there, isn't an actual contribution to the conversation. I feel strongly about what I believe and do not need to make you feel stupid just to make my argument seem better. And Bill Nye impressed me as someone who felt that his ideas could stand under scrutiny without belittling Mr. Ham.

        February 5, 2014 at 3:59 pm |
        • Paul - just Paul

          Pat, well-said. Civility is more important than anything else if one is to present an intelligent discourse. I cringe to read some of these posts, even when I agree with some of the poster's points of view. This lack of civility pushes people even deeper into their bunker mentality - it does NOT 'win points' or demonstrate how one's position is superior to the other. Name-calling isn't far off from rock-throwing. And when we see riots in the street with rock throwers, what are our first thoughts of those ilk?

          February 6, 2014 at 8:51 am |
        • Chopper007

          I respect your viewpoint and your inherent civility. But please understand too many of you folk who have the "truth" want to force it on others. Keep religion out of my science class and all will be good.

          February 7, 2014 at 3:23 pm |
    • Atheist Hunter

      Wise, wise man!

      February 5, 2014 at 7:39 am |
    • inebriaent

      There are over 700 different languages spoken in Africa, yet the Bible is still in the process of being translated into many of them. Why would God not make "his words" available to all these people?

      February 5, 2014 at 12:31 pm |
      • Will

        Inebriaent, I would just tell you that part of the Christian witness comes from how Christians live and demonstrate the love of Christ. Also, there are many Christians today that do not have a Bible and/or live in countries that persecute them but the Word can come to them through other Christians, especially through preaching and teaching from other Christians or radio programming.

        February 5, 2014 at 3:27 pm |
  4. Jason

    aww i missed this, I imagine it went a lot like... bill nye talking the entire time. I can't see how the other guy could have anything resemblng a debate when everyone knows there absolutely no evidence whatsoever on his side. Did he at least roll his eyes and grunt a few times?

    February 5, 2014 at 1:34 am |
  5. Beam me up Scotty

    Any one who limits the mysteries of the universe to an anthropomorphic god and creation has little imagination, and no understanding of the evolving science regarding the nature of the universe(s), which is mind boggling.

    February 5, 2014 at 1:33 am |
  6. Charm Quark

    My lord Ken Ham is Topher, who knew.

    February 5, 2014 at 1:04 am |
  7. NorthVanCan

    Scary to think the West is still wrestling mythology .
    Sad really.

    February 5, 2014 at 1:00 am |
  8. CherCher

    Haven't you noticed that every culture or community around the world, that did not develop in our modern times, have a belief in a higher deity (or deities)? I think science and religion should come together to understand who we are as a species. Understand the psychological effects of religion, because it has a profound effect on our history. I personally think that a world with only science as the basis of our existence will be very boring. The Bible and other religious texts make everything fascinating, poetic, and creative. Darwin's theory says that we evolved; fishes evolved into birds and land animals. According to Genesis, God had the birds come out of the sea, and I think of how the flying fish can just fly out of the sea. This is a more fascinating and creative way to say how things came into being. Maybe the writers of the Bible observed the animals like Darwin did and made a conclusion.

    February 5, 2014 at 12:59 am |
  9. Alex McDowell

    http://realitybyalex.blogspot.com/2014/02/quick-thoughts-on-nyeham-debate.html

    February 5, 2014 at 12:52 am |
  10. Theodore Hyczko

    A question I would like to ask Bill Nye is in Genesis God promised man dominion over all the animals in the world. Which animal does this promise not apply to? There is not an animal on earth that man does not have the ability to control if we wanted too. If animals have dominion over us we wouldn't need National Parks and zoo's to protect them.

    February 5, 2014 at 12:46 am |
    • RollingEyes

      How do we have control over animals? Through technology and science. By putting together a rock and a stick to make a spear, and eventually having a rifle which shoots a dart with chemicals that puts an animals to sleep if we want to preserve it or help it, or with a bullet made out of combinations of metals that we achieved through science, which allows us to kill an animal from a distance, thus avoiding putting ourselves in any danger. Last time I checked, you put a human and a lion together without anything that has been achieved through science/thinking, the human isn't going to be ruling over the animal.....

      February 5, 2014 at 12:57 am |
      • Theodore Hyczko

        Have you ever heard of Kevin Richardson the person who sleeps, eats, and swims with lions. You should google him. Or how about the woman who feeds her pet tiger noodles god is able to do all things. I'm proud of Ken Ham in this day and age to stand up and say I believe in the Bible and Jesus Christ. Jesus Christ said All things are possible with God I believe him. He said that he would be preached to the whole world (who hasn't heard of Jesus Christ) but when he returns it will be like the days of Noah

        February 5, 2014 at 1:20 am |
        • RollingEyes

          WOW how did I know you were gonna bring up the guy that hangs out with lions if i said lion, i should've gone with a bear or something lol. Yes, there are very EXTREME outliers, JUST LIKE WITH MOST SCIENTIFIC DATA. Of course there will be people that develop a comfort level, even a friendship with an animal, that's what makes this world so beautiful, BUT that's like saying that because a shark swam past a surfer and didn't attack him was because the surfer had control over him through God. You're just taking an extreme example of a man that hangs out with lions or a woman that feeds a tiger and turning it into mankind having control over animals through a divine being...which really just shows me that no matter what I say, there's not going to be a lot of changing of minds happening here.
          Who hasn't heard of Jesus Christ? Try the groups of people that live in the amazon, whose technology has gotten about as far as the rock at the tip of a stick, as they have had no contact with the outside world until recently due to their location. So tell me, what happens to them when they die if they've never heard of Jesus, or read the bible since they don't even have a written language? Do they just get a free pass to heaven cause they just happened to get unlucky and live in an excluded part of the world? What about the 3/4 of the planet that isn't christian, because they've either grown up in a part of the world that has believed something completely different for thousands of years or just choose not to believe? Or what about the ancient greeks? They preceded jesus, so obviously they didn't hear about him, the bible hadn't been written yet, and they believe in Zeus and the rest of Mt. Olympous, so what happened to them when they died? Did they go to a different heaven because God forgot to send Jesus down to spread his message that they need to believe in him to come spend eternity with him?

          February 5, 2014 at 1:47 am |
        • chelle

          That is not dominion. At any point those lions can decide he is dinner. The guy who was "friends" with grizzlies in Alaska discovered this the hard way.

          February 5, 2014 at 1:23 pm |
    • dpmaurer

      dominion? tell that to the thousands of diseases that we still have no cures for, and new ones popping up every day. look a grizzly bear, lion, or great white that you have dominion over them while holding any weapon that adam would likely have had handy. you will speedily reevaluate your place in the menu.

      February 5, 2014 at 2:48 am |
  11. bostontola

    Kortar, the "first" Klingon, and his mate were created in a place called QI'tu'. The two destroyed the gods who made them and turned the heavens into ashes. This event is recounted in marriage ceremonies through the following, singular passage: "With fire and steel did the gods forge the Klingon heart. So fiercely did it beat, so loud was the sound, that the gods cried out, 'On this day we have brought forth the strongest heart in all the heavens. None can stand before it without trembling at its strength.' But then the Klingon heart weakened, its steady rhythm faltered and the gods said, 'Why do you weaken so? We have made you the strongest in all of creation.' And the heart said... 'I am alone.' And the gods knew that they had erred. So they went back to their forge and brought forth another heart. But the second heart beat stronger than the first, and the first was jealous of its power. Fortunately, the second heart was tempered by wisdom. 'If we join together, no force can stop us.' And when the two hearts began to beat together, they filled the heavens with a terrible sound. For the first time, the gods knew fear. They tried to flee, but it was too late. The Klingon hearts destroyed the gods who created them and turned the heavens to ashes. To this very day, no one can oppose the beating of two Klingon hearts."

    Makes as much sense as the bibles.

    February 5, 2014 at 12:32 am |
  12. DC

    'I Don't Have Enough Faith to be an Atheist' by Geisler and Turek is an excellent read if you are interested in this area.

    February 5, 2014 at 12:25 am |
  13. Atheism is good for you!

    I wish America would have an atheist regime...it would be like living in Stalins USSR! Cant wait!

    February 5, 2014 at 12:25 am |
    • Tony

      I thought state and religion were SUPPOSED to be two completely separate things??? Hmmm??

      February 5, 2014 at 12:27 am |
    • S-3B Viking

      Actually, you can find the closest parallel with Stalin in the neo-conservative regimes of the past and in 2016.

      February 5, 2014 at 12:59 am |
      • Lindsey

        While Russia is now moving toward faith based people we are running away from faith based people! What a shame!

        February 5, 2014 at 1:34 am |
        • dpmaurer

          you have obviously not been following what's going on in russia at all. there is no middle class, putin kills his critics, and if you are not part of one of the state-sanctified religions, you are persecuted.

          February 5, 2014 at 2:52 am |
        • chelle

          Basically Russia has gone back to 1917.

          February 5, 2014 at 1:25 pm |
    • Lou

      Mars colony will be atheistic ...

      February 5, 2014 at 2:11 am |
      • Sci Fi

        Maybe it already is

        February 5, 2014 at 4:57 am |
    • Chopper007

      We are a secular state now. Doing pretty well... Certainly a lot better than when the Puritans ran things and witches were being hung for consorting with the Devil.

      February 7, 2014 at 3:27 pm |
  14. Educated Observer

    I'm not sure what some of you were watching. Bill Nye's portion of the debate was pretty much a babel. His answers to Ken Ham in general were, "I don't know." To top it off, Bill's answer to the final question was hilarious. "We are products of the universe." So the universe just decided out of nowhere that we were going to be created? How is that very different to the creationist point of view? An all powerful being that decided to make us. Both arguments had flaws to them, but Ham's presentation was way more put together than Nye's.

    February 5, 2014 at 12:23 am |
    • Tony

      I don't know what debate you were watching – Bill's whole point is that we WEREN'T JUST CREATED. WE EVOLVED

      February 5, 2014 at 12:28 am |
    • Nathan

      I don't know is one of the best and most honest things a scientist can say much of the time. And not knowing doesn't mean the answer is a magic sky god. People used to not know what caused disease, healing, rain, eclipses, seasons, lightning, or tides, but that didn't mean god was actually responsible for any one of them (despite being credited with all of them). People just didn't know yet about germs, immune systems, the water cycle, orbital mechanics, axial tilt, electric discharge, or the gravitational effect of the moon (the things that actually were responsible).

      If your best counter argument is "he said he didn't know when he honestly didn't know and therefore all of evolutionary theory and the hundred and sixty years of research and literal mountains of evidence that support it must be wrong," then you are living in a sad little land of selective perception and wishful thinking.

      February 5, 2014 at 12:40 am |
    • Abolish

      What? We are all products of the universe. Just because you dont understand or have never put things together doesnt make it untrue. The human body composition of elements mirrors almost exactly that of the universe as a whole, its pretty impressive to say the least. Our atoms come from stars that lived and died, we are all part of and from the universe. Just a fact.

      February 5, 2014 at 1:01 am |
    • LC

      I wish Richard Hawkins was debating the creationist idiot – Nye is too polite. He should just come out and say: "Listen dude, there's a lot of versions of the creation around the world, in all different societies. What makes you think your BS is better than the explanations of some aboriginal people? Why can't you understand that people for thousands of years came out with a way to try to explain the world around them the best they could. With their limited information they had, "god did it" was the best they could do. Your bible is not any more plausible than any other version from a different society"

      February 5, 2014 at 2:12 am |
      • Mark

        How does calling someone bad names win a debate?

        February 5, 2014 at 3:27 am |
        • Tony

          It doesn't, but sometimes you just need to call an idiot an idiot.

          February 5, 2014 at 3:42 am |
      • Hawkins

        Dawkins

        February 5, 2014 at 4:59 am |
    • stevef00

      Educated Observer.....would you please do us all a favor here and remove the former from your name? Did you miss the part where Bill pointed out, rather factually, that with the naked eye, everytime we are looking at the stars in the heavens, we are looking at light that took millions of years to reach us here on earth. We know this because science has been able to correctly identify the speed of light. The debate should have ended at that point.

      February 5, 2014 at 2:09 pm |
  15. Mopery

    "Evolution is a theory. It is also a fact. And facts and theories are different things, not rungs in a hierarchy of increasing certainty. Facts are the world's data. Theories are structures of ideas that explain and interpret facts. Facts do not go away when scientists debate rival theories to explain them. Einstein's theory of gravitation replaced Newton's, but apples did not suspend themselves in mid-air, pending the outcome. And humans evolved from ape-like ancestors whether they did so by Darwin's proposed mechanism or by some other yet to be discovered."
    -Stephen Jay Gould, Evolutionary Biologist

    February 5, 2014 at 12:19 am |
    • Mark

      If we are so intelligent, why can't we create a simple form of life? It just might be that life is made up of more than its individual tangible parts. In addition, life as we know it can only come from life, and we are discovering life is infinitely complex.

      February 5, 2014 at 1:28 am |
      • Lou

        It'll happen due to it's predictability. However you can't except a species that just thought of this to recreate a process that took hundreds of millions of years to work itself out overnite. This is about discovery, not to satisfy your fear of death.

        February 5, 2014 at 2:15 am |
        • Mark

          The probability of forming life from non-life mathematically for all intentions is zero. Therefore, given enough time does not make the impossible possible.

          February 5, 2014 at 2:31 am |
        • Observer

          Mark,

          Evolutionists are talking about the reality that there are BILLIONS and BILLIONS of stars and BILLIONS and BILLIONS of years.

          February 5, 2014 at 2:35 am |
        • Lou

          It is not zero. If it was zero we would not be here. When ( in an infinite universe there is infinite possibilities) life is found somewhere else we can compare and contrast.

          February 5, 2014 at 2:38 am |
        • Mark

          Information such ss DNA has scientifically never been demonstrated to be self generating. So how did information start without intelligence?

          February 5, 2014 at 2:56 am |
        • Observer

          Mark,

          Even if it could be proven that artificial intelligence was used, that does NOT prove that God or Zeus or a committee of zombies was responsible. There are an infinite number of explanations. A book that talks about unicorns, dragons, talking serpents and a sun and moon that suddenly STOPPED in orbit doesn't look like a good place to start.

          February 5, 2014 at 3:03 am |
        • LeRoy_Was_Here

          Mark: The probability of forming life from non-life mathematically for all intentions is zero. Therefore, given enough time does not make the impossible possible.

          LeRoy: If your statement was even remotely close to being true, mathematicians and statisticians in all of our unversities and colleges would be marching on the Biology Department, and demanding that they stop teaching 'junk science'. Just think about how physicists tend to react whenever someone claims to have invented a perpetual motion machine (which is impossible by the Laws of Thermodynamics).

          February 5, 2014 at 9:11 am |
        • Mark

          So time and chance can create what we in all of intelligence cannot. That is a simple form of life like a seed.

          February 7, 2014 at 2:58 am |
        • Chopper007

          There has been a lot of time and a lot of chances. We have been around for very little of all that.

          February 7, 2014 at 3:30 pm |
  16. Ray

    I use to believe in God, Santa Claus, and the Tooth Fairy......then I grew up.

    February 5, 2014 at 12:16 am |
    • Mopery

      When a 5 year-old boy really believes in Santa Claus, we call it innocence.
      When a 45 year-old man really believes in Santa Claus, it's clearly ignorance.

      February 5, 2014 at 12:20 am |
      • samn

        Unfortunately, American has a lot of them.

        February 5, 2014 at 12:30 am |
      • tedd

        too funny!!!

        February 5, 2014 at 1:29 am |
  17. Tom

    Ham never identified which creation story in Genesis he supports. They differ in time lines and details. He also doesn't seem to know the difference between breeding domesticated animals and species evolution.

    February 5, 2014 at 12:13 am |
    • Mopery

      Imagine the surprise on the faces of the Sumerians and Babylonians who watched from their fields as the Jewish god created the world.

      February 5, 2014 at 12:22 am |
      • Tony

        LMAO!

        February 5, 2014 at 12:33 am |
      • Enki

        Enlil

        February 5, 2014 at 5:00 am |
      • LeRoy_Was_Here

        Ha Ha! You stole that from 'The Onion', which indeed once had an hilarious 'article' detailing how dumbfounded the Sumerians were to be present at the creation of the world.

        February 5, 2014 at 9:13 am |
  18. bostontola

    Not all beliefs are equally loco. To deny evolution, a complex set of evidence and concepts is one thing, but to believe the universe is less than 10,000 years old is madness.

    February 5, 2014 at 12:11 am |
    • Mopery

      Some of these people handle deadly rattlesnakes for fun in church every Sunday, around children and babies, believing that their faith alone will protect them. Does that sound sane to you?

      February 5, 2014 at 12:25 am |
    • Nathan

      Evolution really isn't all that complex.

      February 5, 2014 at 12:40 am |
    • Lindsey

      2
      E=MC Albert Einstein explained the relationship between time and energy and mass. And he believed in God. Enough said!

      February 5, 2014 at 1:03 am |
      • fyi

        Lindsey,

        In a 1950 letter to M. Berkowitz, Einstein stated that "My position concerning God is that of an agnostic. I am convinced that a vivid consciousness of the primary importance of moral principles for the betterment and ennoblement of life does not need the idea of a law-giver, especially a law-giver who works on the basis of reward and punishment."

        February 5, 2014 at 1:30 am |
    • Lindsey

      I refuse to believe that my ancestors were primates! It simply makes no sense!

      February 5, 2014 at 1:06 am |
      • fyi

        Lindsey,

        Humans ARE primates:

        Kingdom: Animalia
        Phylum: Chordata
        Class: Mammalia
        Order: Primates
        Family: Hominidae
        Tribe: Hominini
        Genus: Ho.mo
        Species: H. sapiens

        February 5, 2014 at 1:24 am |
      • Tony

        Just because you haven't bothered to try and understand the evidence doesn't mean the evidence isn't real and doesn't work.

        February 5, 2014 at 3:10 am |
      • tallulah13

        You ARE a primate, Lindsey. Denying that fact makes no sense.

        February 5, 2014 at 11:21 am |
        • stevef00

          Now wait....none of us have really seen Lindsey...she may be a fish, which takes her right out of the primate category.

          February 5, 2014 at 2:14 pm |
  19. creedwait

    Here is a question that I have put to a dozen creationists, and never received a response other than guttural noises, "Were Tyrannosaurus rex, Velociraptor, Brontosaurus, Mamenchisaurus and Triceratops in the Garden of Eden with Adam and Eve?"

    February 5, 2014 at 12:09 am |
    • Nathan

      Creationists often say yes AND that the Bible confirms it, though it calls them names like Leviathan rather than dinosaur. Ham's museum has entire displays of humans and dinosaurs living side by side.

      February 5, 2014 at 12:42 am |
    • Lindsey

      Since we weren't there we will never know. What difference does that make anyway? The history of the Jewish people and their prophets speak loudly about the coming of Jesus and what would happen to him. You simply either believe he was who he said he was or not. It does not make us any better or worse people what we believe. However, if you believe, then according to Jesus you are forgiven and will spend eternity with him. I will take my chances and believe.

      February 5, 2014 at 12:53 am |
      • Tony

        Isn't it also prophesised that jesus will come again? Yet instantly every person who claims to be the second coming of jesus is condemned as a raving lunatic by all concerned.

        It's funny how everyone that claims to be the son of god is instantly seen as delusional and in sore need of psychiatric care – all except the first guy that made that claim. He's apparently "special". Too funny.

        February 5, 2014 at 3:14 am |
    • tedd

      NO, the garden protected them.

      February 5, 2014 at 1:31 am |
    • Joe

      The Bible actually speaks of dinosaurs in Job 40.

      February 5, 2014 at 11:18 am |
  20. Free Man in the Republic of Texas

    In the beginning God created the heavens and the earth.
    Genesis 1:1

    Sanctify them in the truth; Your word is truth.
    John 17:17

    Perhaps Jesus Christ is a bold faced liar ???
    Perhaps NOT.

    February 5, 2014 at 12:02 am |
    • Tony

      Perhaps he didn't exist at all? there's no mention of him outside the bible.

      February 5, 2014 at 12:06 am |
      • Tony

        Pontius Pilot, Herod, all these get a mention in validated historic texts – we know they lived and breathed from records of the day.

        Someone as momentous as this Jesus character though.... we have to wait at least a hundred years after his supposed death before any mention of him – in the bible.

        Couldn't have been that big a deal after all then, even if he was real.

        February 5, 2014 at 12:12 am |
      • Tom

        Pliny the Younger, Tacitus. Look them up. The existence of Jesus was not a part of this debate.

        February 5, 2014 at 12:20 am |
        • Tony

          Maybe it should have been. Now, that would be entertaining – watching CNN have the courage to take on a debate about the very core of "Christianity"

          and what have Pliny and Tacitus got to say on the matter of the existence of Jesus – apart from nothing?

          February 5, 2014 at 12:26 am |
      • Back Nine

        not true – there are secular accounts of Jesus, including from historians at the time

        February 5, 2014 at 12:30 am |
        • Tony

          name one. there are no accounts of the life of Jesus Christ outside the books of the bible. The oldest date anyone can ever put on any book of the bible relating to jesus is a century after his supposed death.

          February 5, 2014 at 12:36 am |
      • DashVader

        No, the Roman empire did actually record the existence of a man named Jesus from Nazareth who was arrested, convicted, and crucified as a dissident. However, that's where similarities to the accounts in the Bible end. There is no evidence whatsoever that he was anything more than a religious/political dissident in an authoritarian nation.

        February 5, 2014 at 12:55 am |
        • Lindsey

          Dash: His followers transformed the world! Obviously there must have been something to this guy Jesus when most of his disciples were also killed or exciled! What were the Romans and Jews of that time so scared of that they had to try to get rid of all these "believers"? I guess it is the same thing that many are scared of today.

          February 5, 2014 at 1:27 am |
        • Tony

          No, they didn't. Name the source for that statement.

          I repeat, there is no extant information attesting to the existence of Jesus outside the bible. None.

          February 5, 2014 at 2:16 am |
        • LeRoy_Was_Here

          Lindsay: His followers transformed the world! Obviously there must have been something to this guy Jesus when most of his disciples were also killed or exciled!

          LeRoy: Mohammed's followers transformed the world! Obviously there must have been something to this guy Mohammed when his followers went out and conquered most of the known world within a century after his death!

          February 5, 2014 at 9:17 am |
    • HotAirAce

      Most likely, the allegedly divine jesus is just a story. After 2,000+ years, there isn't a bit of evidence for any of the supernatural claims in The Babble.

      February 5, 2014 at 12:08 am |
      • DRJJ

        Thanks for the final word re creation hot air, we'll be sure to take that as gospel.

        February 7, 2014 at 4:23 pm |
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