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February 4th, 2014
10:05 PM ET

Creation debate recap: Science, religion and terrible jokes

By Daniel Burke, Belief Blog Co-editor
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(CNN) - Did you miss the debate between creationist Ken Ham and Bill "The Science Guy" Nye?

Don't worry, we've got you covered.

The debate was moderated by CNN's Tom Foreman, and, if there's one thing both sides can agree on, it's that he did a swell job.

Here's almost everything else you need to know, from Genesis to um, Revelation.

- CNN Religion Editor

Filed under: Belief • Bible • Creationism • Evolution • Science • Uncategorized

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  1. Young earth

    Atheism is a fantasy religion. Most stupidest religion ever created.

    February 5, 2014 at 9:12 am |
    • gladiatorgrl

      says the "believer" in talking snakes and a climate controlled boat full of animals that don't eat each other (eye roll)

      February 5, 2014 at 9:15 am |
      • Young earth

        Says the "believer" that believes we came from nothing and evolved from apes LOL:)

        February 5, 2014 at 9:16 am |
        • JC

          You believe in a 6,000 year old earth? Really? OMG. Hahahahahahahaha. Hilarious. By the way. As an employer I would never higher anyone who believes in a 6000 year old earth. I need workers who can reason and think, not those who believe in bronze age myths.

          February 5, 2014 at 9:30 am |
        • Young earth

          You already believe a myth. Atheism☺️

          February 5, 2014 at 9:31 am |
      • Tom, Tom, the Other One

        Lions and tigers and bears were all fruit eaters originally. Oh my!

        February 5, 2014 at 9:17 am |
    • cedar rapids

      you are partly right. It is a fantasy that atheism is a religion.

      February 5, 2014 at 9:18 am |
      • Young earth

        Atheism IS a religion. Plain and simple. Only idiots deny the truth.

        February 5, 2014 at 9:27 am |
        • WASP

          @young: ok so if what you have is truth then be as so kind to prove it. elijah proved it infront of 400 followers of BA'AL, so follow 1 KINGS VERSES 30-40 and prove your "TRUTH" otherwise your god is a fake and we get to chase you down a mountain and slaughter you just as elijah did.

          XD

          February 5, 2014 at 9:34 am |
        • QuestionEverything

          Since you apparently do not know the meaning of the word "atheism", do you also consider theism, gonsticism and agnosticism to be religions?

          February 5, 2014 at 10:20 am |
    • JJ

      You're a terrible troll. I'm surprised anyone's falling for it at all.

      February 5, 2014 at 9:20 am |
      • Young earth

        Exposing what atheism really is, is not "trolling". Grow up kid.

        February 5, 2014 at 9:24 am |
        • cedar rapids

          Well the choice is yours YE.
          Either you are a troll, or your hate exposes you to be a hypocritical christian.
          We will let you choose which moniker you would prefer to claim.

          February 5, 2014 at 9:53 am |
        • Hiram57

          Sounds to me like JJ hit the nail on the head.

          February 5, 2014 at 1:03 pm |
    • Oh, the irony

      young earth
      "most stupidest"

      LOL
      ignorant punk troll.

      February 5, 2014 at 9:37 am |
    • truthprevails1

      YoungEarth: Does the trailer park library not have dictionaries?

      February 5, 2014 at 9:41 am |
  2. muslimguy

    I believe you cannot have an intelligent being come to existence by itself because there is simply no urge for it to happen. You cannot say a human body structure, or any animal's body structure is not planned intelligently in advance ..because it is.

    If there is no God/Creator..what knew that we need teeth to break food

    what knew that we need skeleton to hold our body

    what knew that we need eyes to see and nose/mouth to breathe

    These are important questions because they show something more intelligent than us planned it

    life doesn't come to existance by itself since it doesn't know for itself or for need to exist

    people who think will understand, the rest will be ..the rest

    February 5, 2014 at 9:12 am |
    • gladiatorgrl

      Have you even READ the theory of Evolution?? about the "primordial pool"?? Ancient Alien theory?? or you just going with talking snakes and the world was populated through incest??

      February 5, 2014 at 9:14 am |
      • muslimguy

        Evolution does not happen by itself, again for the same reason it doesn't know for itself ..or for the need to happen. Ancient aliens? I don't believe beings with inferior body shapes can be superior because they have to be superior in every way in order for your argument to stand.

        As I said I am not Christian or Jewish, The story of Adam and Eve is not explained in any bible

        In Islam we believe Creator told Eve she will give birth to twins each year, a boy and girl

        each year's birth will make twins less related to each other by blood and will be more like far cousins than actual siblings

        a boy from first pregnancy may only marry a girl from second pregnancy (notet hat each pregnancy is twins, boy and girl)

        and a girl from first pregnancy may marry a boy from second pregnancy

        and this went on for years

        bible does not explain why cain and abel had problem either

        Islam does

        its because Cain wanted to marry a twin sister from same pregnancy, which God forbade and abel was suppsoed to marry her..for this Cain resented and killed Abel

        It has nothing to do if God accepted Abel's offerings and not Cain's

        Its because Judeo-Christianity is very corrupted and hence the reason many people become not religious

        February 5, 2014 at 9:20 am |
        • Oh, the irony

          Anyone else see the irony of a muslim telling a christian that the christian's religion is corrupt?

          Islam is as evil, as corrupt as christianity. BOTH belief systems have brought with them death, destruction , wars, faster spread of disease, attempted genocide....BOTH are vile and immoral.

          If there is a satan, BOTH islam and christianity were inspired by satan...the history of BOTH religions shows that to be more likey than any god having anything to do with it.

          February 5, 2014 at 9:44 am |
      • shaun

        you just defined evolution. it's trial and error. the one's most able to adapt (all you examples) reproduce. During this process the creatures with the greatest intelligence were able to thrive... hence modern humans.

        February 5, 2014 at 9:21 am |
  3. Mack Hopkins

    You will never win a debate with science, logic and reason against religious zealots because they can trump you every time with magic, mythology and faith. If you try to get a logical explanation out of them they will simply say it's because God is all powerful and can do anything. You can't win against that.

    February 5, 2014 at 9:08 am |
  4. gladiatorgrl

    Is Bill Nye single – I have SUCH a girl geek crush on him!!!

    February 5, 2014 at 9:05 am |
    • Lucifer's Evil Twin

      I wore a bow-tie yesterday as a show of support

      February 5, 2014 at 9:46 am |
  5. Brady

    Is there any actual evidence that Moses, Noah or Jesus Christ even existed? They seem real important in world events shouldn't there be more evidence of their existence? There's more evidence of the existence of Zeus and Thor than of any of the Bible characters.

    February 5, 2014 at 9:05 am |
    • David

      I'm listening. What is he evidence of Zeus and Thor? Christ was written about by different witnesses who actually lived, so there's that. Therre is no film of George Washington, so did he not exist because we only know of him from witness accounts?

      February 5, 2014 at 9:08 am |
      • Ken Hamm

        Wow your special. Trying to make the connection to George Washington is way off base.

        February 5, 2014 at 9:12 am |
        • David

          How about Pontius Pilate. Does that work?

          February 5, 2014 at 9:16 am |
      • Brady

        Well to start, there's actual pictures of George Washington and there's little debate as to what he looked like. Then there's his own writings and deeds that are observable. Christians can't even agree on what Jesus looked like. Not to mention the witness accounts of Jesus all contradict each other. He's as made up as Zeus and Thor.

        February 5, 2014 at 9:16 am |
        • David

          They all contradict each other? In what way? You seriously believe that Christ never existed?

          February 5, 2014 at 9:19 am |
        • Brady

          Yes, I don't believe Jesus even existed. Nor do I believe in Joseph, Mary, Abraham, Isaac, David, Moses, Noah, Adam, Eve, the talking snake, Kane, Abel or anything trying to pass itself off as the holy spirit.

          February 5, 2014 at 9:52 am |
        • tigersfandan

          Where are the pictures of George Washington?

          February 5, 2014 at 1:00 pm |
      • shaun

        Clarification on your point. It is written about by religious jewish/christian scholars. There is no written account by any other scholars of the time even though he performed these epic events infront of great crowds.

        February 5, 2014 at 9:18 am |
      • Doc Vestibule

        When I was a 10 year old kid programming in BASIC on a Commodore 64, I constantly used IF THEN statements.
        This is the scientific mindset – if A is true, then B must follow. Scientists then meticulously lay out every step of their logic in getting from A to B so that other scientists can replicate the process and either verify the IF THEN statements validity, or prove it wrong and send the hypothesizer back to the drawing board.

        For example:
        If 1 apple plus 1 apple equals 2 apples, 1 million apples plus 1 millions apples must equal 2 million apples.
        It is not necessary to have a room full of millions of apples and count each one – all that is needed is to follow the chain of logic. 1 +1 +1 +1 +1 +1 +1 and so on.

        The scientific method allows us to make predictions based on this IF THEN logic.
        IF life evolved in a graduating scale of complexity, THEN we should find fossils arranged in geological strata in a linear way (Ie: the deeper the strata, the simpler the life forms). This prediction turned out to be true.

        Just like in those childhood programs I wrote, IF the logic applied is sound, THEN the program will run continuously and without error. If the chain of logic is faulty, the program will fail.

        The Young Earth program spits out a SYNTAX ERROR at numerous stages.
        IF there was a global flood, THEN there would've been no fresh water 4,000 years ago.
        Terrestrial life existed, therefore there was fresh water. Program fails. Start again and re-evaluate your chain of logic.

        Unfortunately, the standard fundamentalist chain of logic, translated into BASIC 2.0, is:
        10 PRINT "THE BIBLE IS TRUE BECAUSE..."
        20 GOTO 10

        February 5, 2014 at 9:43 am |
  6. muslimguy

    What many of you people don't understand is the fact that when God says 1st day ..he doesn't mean a day to be like 1000 yeras necessarily ...a day can be million or billion years ...a day is simply a word He used to explain to us different staged of creation ...so when he says First day he created this and that ...its merely a stage and other stages that may come afterwards and may be millions/billions of years apart

    February 5, 2014 at 9:01 am |
    • gladiatorgrl

      When one is STARTING WITH THE IMAGINARY one can make it up as one goes along. PROOF of your "day/time" theory??

      February 5, 2014 at 9:03 am |
      • muslimguy

        Pls try to rephrase, I don't understand what do you mean by that comment

        February 5, 2014 at 9:06 am |
        • gladiatorgrl

          Talking snakes, rib women, boat full of animals that don't eat each other – NO PROOF! The Bible is FICTION has no evidence to support it and has been REVISED by MAN several times to suit their agenda.

          Example: People were burned at the stake for saying the host is NOT the body of Christ and the wine is NOT the blood of Christ. NOW – not so much because no one really believes they're eating flesh and drinking blood. Again, making it up as one goes along is NOT PROVEN THEORY.

          February 5, 2014 at 9:10 am |
        • muslimguy

          Well I am not Christian, I don't believe in drinking wine/blood or that Noah's ark was a global thing, it was rather regional.

          February 5, 2014 at 9:13 am |
    • Tom, Tom, the Other One

      God does not say what he means? Why not? Does he need his Word to be elastic enough to fit every generation's interpretation? Sort of one-size-fits-all?

      February 5, 2014 at 9:07 am |
    • lenny

      Ah yes because even though they refer to "Days" as traditional days in the book of genesis after the creation they are referring to different days when they talk about creation.

      The fun thing about people is they choose to twist and interpret things in completely arbitrary ways to affirm their own opinions. Someone just made this up to affirm their opinion and everyone else repeats it.

      February 5, 2014 at 9:14 am |
    • Paul

      I'd prefer a deity that would be consistent. A day should stay a day. No sliding scales, please. If we start playing with time in this fashion, all other items written in 'sacred texts' lose their meaning and definition, too. Puppet masters must remain consistent. They should not be happy with their creations one day, then smite the whole planet the next. They should either condemn all to hell, or embrace all to heaven. If they know all that came before and all that is to come, then that predetermination means we had no choice and he/she/it is only toying with us over the years. None of that is worthy of praise or honor, IMO.

      February 5, 2014 at 9:14 am |
    • S.K. Eptic

      "God says" Really? Some people passed on stories they heard from the elders. But no one interviewed a god, he didn't write anything. To start an argument based on a belief, which is by definition unprovable, is nothing more than story telling and speculation. No facts are involved. We all believe in something, but that does not make it factual or real.

      February 5, 2014 at 9:17 am |
  7. Doc Vestibule

    Watching that debate last night was like seeing a live transcript reading of arguments with Live4Him.

    February 5, 2014 at 9:01 am |
    • Lucifer's Evil Twin

      LOL

      February 5, 2014 at 9:41 am |
  8. Young earth

    The earth is only 6,000 year old. Billions of years is another atheist myth. The atheistic religion of evolution is also a myth. They made evolution into a religion. Illogical!

    February 5, 2014 at 8:56 am |
    • ShawnDH

      So you REALLY think people rode dinosaurs. How stupid are you?

      February 5, 2014 at 8:58 am |
      • David

        I seem to be missing a lot. I didn't see anywhere in his comment that we rode dinosaurs

        February 5, 2014 at 9:00 am |
        • JB

          If you are going to accept one part of Ham's argument, you need to accept them. Go check out their website where they try to claim dinosaus AND dragons existed and walked the Earth with humans. These are the kinds of things they have had to resort to in order to try and sell their foolish and ridiculous young earth creationism which was thoroughly disproved last evening.

          February 5, 2014 at 9:11 am |
        • gladiatorgrl

          the Creation Museum has diorama's of people w/ dinosaurs

          February 5, 2014 at 9:11 am |
        • David

          I need to get these glasses checked. I still don't see mention of "riding" dinosaurs

          February 5, 2014 at 9:24 am |
    • ShawnDH

      How can the Earth be 6,000 years old when human civilization far predate that? Durrrrrrrrrrr.

      February 5, 2014 at 8:59 am |
      • Young earth

        It's a myth created by atheists to hide the truth! Duuuurrrr

        February 5, 2014 at 9:00 am |
        • stevef00

          Uh, idiot....do you know what the speed of light is? Do you also know that when you look up into the sky at night and see the stars you are looking at light from those stars that took millions of years to reach your eyeball? What is really wrong with you people? Are you that delusional?

          February 5, 2014 at 4:52 pm |
    • JJ

      We really need to stop allowing home schooling.

      February 5, 2014 at 9:00 am |
    • cogman62

      Because he can't count past 6,000. People who espouse this nonsense are small minded and take things literally. No surprise there. Either that or young earth is just trolling all of us.

      February 5, 2014 at 9:02 am |
  9. ShawnDH

    It's so completely obvious that "creationism" is just religious mythology, based on nothing.

    February 5, 2014 at 8:56 am |
    • barcasbc

      yeah lets believe "nothing" created us even though nothing is nothing

      its like saying, that house wit hdoors and windows came to existance by itself even though windows have purpose for humans to look out and doors for entrance

      yet "nothing" created or built it ...very logical of your "evolved" minds

      such losers

      February 5, 2014 at 8:59 am |
      • JB

        Ah, but then you must confront the fact that if God created us, who created God? God could not formed from nothing, so something had to create God. God could not have created God. So to accept the existence of God is to accept that something can come from nothing, and if you are willing to do that to continue your support of creationism you can no longer argue that evolution is wrong because something can not come from nothing. . .

        February 5, 2014 at 9:13 am |
  10. David

    Is the theory of evolution no longer just a theory? Was it proven as fact?

    February 5, 2014 at 8:55 am |
    • ShawnDH

      Yes it's proven.

      Now what evidence is there for creationism? Zero.

      February 5, 2014 at 8:57 am |
      • David

        I'm sorry. I must have missed something. Evolution has been 100% proven as fact?

        February 5, 2014 at 8:59 am |
        • tallulah13

          Evolution is supported by the fossil record and the genetic record. Evolution has been observed in laboratories.

          http://www.newscientist.com/article/dn14094-bacteria-make-major-evolutionary-shift-in-the-lab.html

          February 5, 2014 at 9:23 am |
      • Young earth

        The religion of evolution(the part where atheists fill in the gaps with their beliefs) is false. Too bad atheists are too stubborn and egoistic to actually admit it.

        February 5, 2014 at 8:59 am |
        • Lucifer's Evil Twin

          Go away multi-handled troll... there are already enough ignorant 'believers' on here to cover down for you

          February 5, 2014 at 9:02 am |
        • JB

          As opposed to the religion of creationism where believers fill in the blanks (and the basis of their whole position) on a book. Yeah, your position just got even more silly didn't it.

          February 5, 2014 at 9:15 am |
    • Tom, Tom, the Other One

      Yes, evolution is a fact, David. That's why creationists have had to invent the micro vs macro evolution distinction and retreat into the idea that "kinds" can evolve, but populations of one "kind" can never evolve into another "kind".

      February 5, 2014 at 9:01 am |
      • David

        You may want to do some reading Tom. It's called the "theory" of evolution for a reason. Otherwise there would not be different "theories" amongst scientists.

        February 5, 2014 at 9:06 am |
        • Tom, Tom, the Other One

          David, in my work they are called principles of evolution.

          February 5, 2014 at 9:09 am |
        • James

          Please do yourself and us a favor and learn what the word "Theory" means. You'll embarrass yourself must less if you do.

          February 5, 2014 at 9:11 am |
        • cedar rapids

          well apart from the rather obvious fact that you dont not understand what theory means in the scientific sense i am more interested in the idea that you think scientists have other theories that go against evolution. do please tell us

          February 5, 2014 at 9:22 am |
        • Droop

          The term "theory" does not mean something speculative. In science, it's used to denote a concept that has been repeatedly shown to be true through observation. Gravity is a "theory.". Have you ever encountered a situation where it wasn't a true statement? Newton's Laws are also considered to be "theories" by scientists. They are valid and hold true for every observation humans can make, so much so that they're used to find planets around other stars. Likewise, evolution is observable and true– it is a FACT.

          If you want to argue scientific theory, you need to understand the terminology as used by the group with which you are arguing.

          February 5, 2014 at 9:22 am |
    • Rynomite

      *sigh* Yet another illiterate who doesn't understand the definition of the word theory as applied to science.

      February 5, 2014 at 9:03 am |
    • Doc Vestibule

      A theory is what one or more hypotheses become once they have been verified and accepted to be true. A theory is an explanation of a set of related observations or events based upon proven hypotheses and verified multiple times by detached groups of researchers. Unfortunately, even some scientists often use the term "theory" in a more colloquial sense, when they really mean to say "hypothesis."
      In general a scientific theory is accepted to be true by the scientific community as a whole.

      February 5, 2014 at 9:04 am |
  11. JJ

    What a complete waste of time and Bill Nye accomplished nothing except gave the appearance of credibility to a bunch of ignorant superstitious delusional bible thumpers. It pained me to see he allowed himself to be used in this manner.

    There's no debate when one side presents facts and evidence and the other says it's all supernatural and continually quotes some 2000 year old bronze age text.

    February 5, 2014 at 8:51 am |
    • KIm

      Correction, the creationism story of the old testament goes back farther than 2000 years. To paraphrase Lewis Black, we Jews are good at telling stories and exaggerating them.

      February 5, 2014 at 8:56 am |
    • JLS639

      I agree with you, JJ. I used to try and explain things to creationists. I saw every dishonest debate tactic in the book.

      Creationists were delusional in what they thought they knew. Several times, one would tell me he was widely read in biology and evolution and unconvinced. I said I thought the most convincing argument was a cladistic argument and outlined my cladistic argument. Among the words these "widely read in biology and evolution" had never heard of included cladistics, synteny, notocord, ectoderm, endoderm, mesoderm, meiosis, gamete, homeobox genes, ortholog parolog, tetraploid, diploid, haploid... Seriously, I do not expect the average person to know what any of those words are. However, someone "widely read in biology and evolution" should recognize all of them.

      February 5, 2014 at 9:32 am |
  12. Honey Badger Don't Care

    I want to see Ham debate Aron Ra. That would be a great debate. Xtianity would be totaly destroyed after that.

    February 5, 2014 at 8:50 am |
    • David

      There is no debate. Both are beliefs where neither has been proven. You either believe in one or the other.

      February 5, 2014 at 8:58 am |
      • JB

        Except we have evidence to suppose evolution and creation has a book written by humans who were supposedly influenced the God that they can not prove exists.

        February 5, 2014 at 9:17 am |
  13. Honey Badger Don't Care

    Bill Nye: "Noah had superpowers."

    Awesome line!

    February 5, 2014 at 8:43 am |
  14. barcasbc

    whoever believes in bs "evolution" ..why is there not a single being in this world that "evolved" to our point of intelligence from any mammal?

    Why did apes stay apes and not evolve as well? no logic

    if "evolution" is real how did life happen to begin with? Did "nothing" simply create intelligent life even though "nothing" is still "nothing"

    darwin/science/evolution is one big joke

    February 5, 2014 at 8:43 am |
    • Honey Badger Don't Care

      NIce cut and paste. Look up my response on your other post.

      February 5, 2014 at 8:44 am |
      • barcasbc

        You answered absolutely NOTHING. all you guys do is say "go back to school, go read textbooks" bla bla

        same unintelligent and weak responses

        I asked you which OTHER animal evolved to our point of intelligence if evolution is real

        give me an example from reptiles, fish, insects etc

        you answered NOTHING

        February 5, 2014 at 8:48 am |
        • JB

          Dolphins.

          February 5, 2014 at 8:51 am |
        • Colin

          Oh my hot headed creationist simpleton, ever heard of drug resistant diseases, the various dog breeds, thoroughbred horses, or even broccoli? None of these existed a few hundred years ago.

          Unless, of course, you think, Noah had Dalmatians, corgis and po.odles on the arc.

          next

          February 5, 2014 at 8:52 am |
        • barcasbc

          Lol drug resistant diseases are NOT intelligent life, they are simply mechanisms of intelligent Creator

          you can breed any dog to a dog it will still be a dog same for horse...they will still be ANIMALS and will not start possessing free will

          your "evolved" minds are truly lacking

          February 5, 2014 at 8:56 am |
        • David

          I would not use the word simpleton when you just used the argument that mixed breeds of animals evolved into what they are. That's just sad man.

          February 5, 2014 at 9:03 am |
        • WASP

          @BAR: not all creatures will develop to be tool users, however i would say building shelters/nests and beating predators with various forms of weapontry would go a long way to showing how animals adapt to their enviroments with the required amount of intelligence to survive. incase you haven't noticed you lack sharp claws, sharp fangs, toxins, camaflage, furr, speed, keen eye sight, quick reflexes, dense bones, armour plating, the ability to swallow food and breath at the same time.........well long story short:
          h0m0sapiens are soft, slow, fleshy things that other animals would enjoy eating if you didn't freeze to death or get burned alive first...............so what would our adaptation have been?
          hmmmmmmm what could it have been? possibly the ability to have longer memory thus aiding our offspring to survive by adult humans teaching the younger humans which creatures to avoid and what creatures to eat?

          all you little brain does is accept and organize information from your 5 senses for either short-term or long-term storage, nothing special right? except we can take what others have learned and add to it; it's called "imagination". humans have that one thing above all creatures, we can see something in our minds that does not currently exsist, like a baseball bat and we can take various materials and create that bat..............given after many trials and error.
          i.e. you have a stick, i imagine a better formed stick and vuala we now have a bat......or club depends on what it's used for. XD

          February 5, 2014 at 9:17 am |
    • Chikkipop

      Your ignorance is a disgrace.

      In America, we have a lot of people like you, and it's an embarrassment.

      February 5, 2014 at 8:51 am |
      • barcasbc

        Yeah, its a disgrace ...when you CANT answer any f'n question

        and you resort to whining

        I asked the valid question and when you are caught being dumb all your "evolved" and "educated" minds start crumbling and crying

        February 5, 2014 at 8:53 am |
    • JJ

      No one "believes" in evolution one "accepts" evolution. One accepts facts and evidence. You wouldn't say "I believe in gravity".

      February 5, 2014 at 8:54 am |
      • Kelly Gomez

        So you 'accept' not seeing a half-man half-ape in the middle of evolutionary change? I can throw a ball up and it falls, proof of gravity! It takes a belief and faith whichever way you believe. Faith in a God or faith in a man that says 'Trust me this is how it happened based on my assumptions'. Believe what you will but 'accept' that it is not undisputable fact and that's why this highly intelligent man (Nye) couldn't prove evolution, he knows that Darwin wrote 'I think' and then we all assumed from there. What if someone said the planets are moving further away because the univers is a box and everything bounces back and forth over 10Billion years and we are in the middle of them bouncing from the center. 35 million years from now they will hit the exterior wall and will bounce back....... Based on their assumptions and you couldn't prove them wrong for 35 Million years.......

        February 5, 2014 at 10:00 am |
    • cedar rapids

      'whoever believes in bs "evolution" ..why is there not a single being in this world that "evolved" to our point of intelligence from any mammal?'

      Well we know there used to be neandethal in the past until we either killed them or they died out naturally.
      but why do you think that evolution suggests that species must get smarter? It doesnt work that way.

      February 5, 2014 at 9:25 am |
    • Kelly Gomez

      And let's all remember that almost everyone believes that things evolve BUT the word evolution was used to say "your family used to be apes" which is ridiculous. Also Nye said humans aren't getting smarter, seriously? I would bet that almost all evolutionary scientist would disagree with that!

      February 5, 2014 at 10:03 am |
      • cedar rapids

        'Also Nye said humans aren't getting smarter, seriously? I would bet that almost all evolutionary scientist would disagree with that!'

        Interesting. Why would you think that? We invent new things but the saying talks about standing on the shoulders of giants. We build on past knowledge. Studies into IQ seem to contradict each other, with some saying average IQ is rising, other say its dropping.

        February 5, 2014 at 10:25 am |
      • Droop

        Nobody said "we used to be apes." Apes, monkeys (which are, I'm sure you're aware, different than apes), lemurs, and humans are all primates. We have a common ancestor. If you're going to try to debate this topic, please learn something about it. Your comments predate the Scopes Trial.

        February 5, 2014 at 12:27 pm |
  15. Someone Else

    There is a higher act of Creation everyone missed here. Bill Nye established a symbiotic link to Creationism. He picked up, I assume, some Godly $$$ in this Creation Super Bowl. Disproving his own theories, something popped up out of nothing. Bill Nye is available for debates with idiots all over the country. Christian Universities get your grants ready.

    February 5, 2014 at 8:41 am |
    • Lucifer's Evil Twin

      I'm sure that somehow made sense to you as you were typing it...

      February 5, 2014 at 8:55 am |
  16. Colin

    Dear Mr. Ham:

    Here are a few reasons why your creation science theory is utter garbage.

    Of first and most obvious importance is the fossil record. The fossil record is much, much more than just dinosaurs. Indeed, dinosaurs only get the press because of their size, but they make up less than 1% of the entire fossil record. Life had been evolving on Earth for over 3 thousand million years before dinosaurs evolved and has gone on evolving for 65 million years after the Chicxulub meteor likely wiped them out.

    Layered in the fossil record are the Stromatolites, colonies of prokaryotic bacteria, that range in age going back to about 3 billion years, the Ediacara fossils from South Australia, widely regarded as among the earliest multi-celled organisms, the Cambrian species of the Burgess shale in Canada (circa – 450 million years ago) the giant scorpions of the Silurian Period, the giant, wingless insects of the Devonian period, the insects, amphibians, reptiles, fishes, clams, crustaceans of the Carboniferous Period, the many precursors to the dinosaurs, the 700 odd known species of dinosaurs themselves, the subsequent dominant mammals, including the saber tooth tiger, the mammoths and hairy rhinoceros of North America and Asia, the fossils of early man in Africa and the Neanderthals of Europe.

    Indeed, the fossil record shows a consistent and worldwide evolution of life on Earth dating back to about 3,500,000,000 years ago. There are literally millions of fossils that have been recovered, of thousands of different species and they are all located where they would be in the geological record if life evolved slowly over billions of years. None of them can be explained by a 6,000 year old Earth and Noah’s flood. Were they all on the ark? What happened to them when it docked?

    Not only did a Tyrannosaurus Rex eat a lot of food, but that food was meat- which means its food would itself have to have been fed, like the food of every other carnivore on the ark for the entire 360 odd days Noah supposedly spent on the ark. T-Rex was not even the largest carnivorous dinosaur we know of. Spinosaurus, Argentinosaurus and Carcharodontosaurus were all larger and ate more even meat. Even they were not large enough to bring down the largest sauropods we know of, many species of which weighed in at close to 100 tons and were about 100 feet long. This is in addition to the elephants, hippopotamus, giraffes, and other large extant animals (not to mention the millions of insects, bacteria, mites, worms etc. that would have to be boarded). A bit of “back of the envelope” math quickly shows that “Noah’s Ark” would actually have to have been an armada of ships larger than the D-Day invasion force, manned by thousands and thousands of people – and this is without including the World’s 300,000 current species of plants, none of which could walk merrily in twos onto the ark.

    Coming on top of that, of course, there are the various races of human beings. There were no Sub-Saharan Africans, Chinese, Australian Aboriginals, blonde haired Scandinavians, Pygmies or Eskimos on the Ark. Where did they come from?

    Oh, second, there are those little things we call oil, natural gas and other fossil fuels. Their mere existence is another independent and fatal blow to the creationists. Speak to any geologist who works for Exxon Mobil, Shell or any of the thousands of mining, oil or natural gas related companies that make a living finding fossil fuels. They will tell you these fossil fuels take millions of years to develop from the remains of large, often Carboniferous Period forests, in the case of coal, or tiny marine creatures in the case of oil. For the fossils to develop into oil or coal takes tens or hundreds of millions of years of “slow baking” under optimum geological conditions. That’s why they are called “fossil fuels.” Have a close look at coal, you can often see the fossilized leaves in it. The geologists know exactly what rocks to look for fossil fuels in, because they know how to date the rocks to tens or hundreds of millions of years ago. Creationists have no credible explanation for this.

    Laughingly, most of astronomy and cosmology would be wrong if the creationists were right. In short, as Einstein showed, light travels at a set speed. Space is so large that light from distant stars takes many years to reach the Earth. In some cases, this is millions or billions of years. The fact that we can see light from such far away stars means it began its journey billions of years ago. The Universe must be billions of years old. We can currently see galaxies whose light left home 13, 700,000,000 years ago. Indeed, on a clear night, one can see the collective, misty light of many stars more than 6,000 light years away with the naked eye, shining down like tiny accusatory witnesses against the nonsense of creationism.

    In fourth, we have not just carbon dating, but also all other methods used by scientists to date wood, rocks, fossils, and other artifacts. These comprehensively disprove the Bible’s claims. They include uranium-lead dating, potassium-argon dating as well as other non-radioactive methods such as pollen dating, dendrochronology and ice core dating. In order for any particular rock, fossil or other artifact to be aged, generally two or more samples are dated independently by two or more laboratories in order to ensure an accurate result. If results were random, as creationists claim, the two independent results would rarely agree. They generally do. They regularly reveal ages much older than Genesis. Indeed, the Earth is about 750,000 times older than the Bible claims, the Universe about three times the age of the Earth.

    Next, fifth, the relatively new field of DNA mapping not only convicts criminals, it shows in undeniable, full detail how we differ from other life forms on the planet. For example, about 98.4% of human DNA is identical to that of chimpanzees, about 97% of human DNA is identical to that of gorillas, and slightly less again of human DNA is identical to the DNA of monkeys. This gradual divergence in DNA can only be rationally explained by the two species diverging from a common ancestor, and coincides perfectly with the fossil record. Indeed, scientists can use the percentage of DNA that two animal share (such as humans and bears, or domestic dogs and wolves) to get an idea of how long ago the last common ancestor of both species lived. It perfectly corroborates the fossil record and is completely independently developed.

    Sixth, the entire field of historical linguistics would have to be rewritten to accommodate the Bible. This discipline studies how languages develop and diverge over time. For example, Spanish and Italian are very similar and have a recent common “ancestor” language, Latin, as most people know. However, Russian is quite different and therefore either did not share a common root, or branched off much earlier in time. No respected linguist anywhere in the World traces languages back to the Tower of Babel, the creationists’ simplistic and patently absurd explanation for different languages. Indeed, American Indians, Australian Aboriginals, “true” Indians, Chinese, Mongols, Ja.panese, Sub-Saharan Africans and the Celts and other tribes of ancient Europe were speaking thousands of different languages thousands of years before the date creationist say the Tower of Babel occurred – and even well before the date they claim for the Garden of Eden.

    Seventh, lactose intolerance is also a clear vestige of human evolution. Most mammals only consume milk as infants. After infancy, they no longer produce the enzyme “lactase” that digests the lactose in milk and so become lactose intolerant. Humans are an exception and can drink milk as adults – but not all humans – some humans remain lactose intolerant. So which humans are no longer lactose intolerant? The answer is those who evolved over the past few thousand years raising cows. They evolved slightly to keep producing lactase as adults so as to allow the consumption of milk as adults. This includes most Europeans and some Africans, notably the Tutsi of Rwanda. On the other hand, most Chinese, native Americans and Aboriginal Australians, whose ancestors did not raise cattle, remain lactose intolerant.

    I could go on and elaborate on a number of other disciplines or facts that creationists have to pretend into oblivion to retain their faith, including the Ice Ages, cavemen and early hominids, much of microbiology, paleontology and archeology, continental drift and plate tectonics. Even large parts of medical research would be rendered unusable but for the fact that monkeys and mice share a common ancestor with us and therefore our fundamental cell biology and basic body architecture is identical to theirs.

    In short, and not surprisingly, the World’s most gifted evolutionary biologists, astronomers, cosmologists, geologists, archaeologists, paleontologists, historians, modern medical researchers and linguists (and about 2,000 years of accu.mulated knowledge) are right and a handful of Iron Age Middle Eastern goat herders copying then extant mythology were wrong. Creationists aren’t just trying to swim upstream against the weight of scientific evidence; they are trying to ascend a waterfall.

    All this is probably why evolution is taught in every major university and college biology program in the World. Not 99% of them, but EVERY one. Universities with extensive evolutionary biology departments include Oxford University, Cambridge University and the Imperial College in England, the Ludwig-Maximilians-Universität in Germany, the École Normale Supérieure and École Polythecnique in France and Leiden University in the Netherlands and the Swiss Federal Insti.tute of Technology in Switzerland. This is just a sample. ALL university and colleges in Europe teach evolution as a fundamental component of biology.

    The number of universities and colleges in Europe with a creation science department: ZERO. The number of tenured or even paid professors who teach creation science at any of these universities or colleges: ZERO

    In the United States, the following Universities have extensive evolutionary biology departments staffed by thousands of the most gifted biologists in the World; Harvard, Yale, Princeton, Colombia, Duke, the Massachusetts Insti.tute of Technology, Brown, Stanford, Berkley, and the University of Chicago. These are just some of the more prestigious examples. Again, ALL university and colleges in the USA with tertiary level biology classes teach evolution as a fundamental component of biology.

    The number of universities and colleges in the United States with a creation science department: ZERO The number of tenured or even paid professors who teach creation science at any of these universities or colleges: ZERO

    In Australia and Asia, the following universities and colleges have extensive evolutionary biology departments manned by more of the most gifted biological scientists in the World; Monash University in Melbourne, The University of New South Wales, Kyoto University in Ja.pan, Peking University in China, Seoul University in Korea, the University of Singapore, National Taiwan University, The Australian National University, The University of Melbourne, and the University of Sydney.

    The number of universities and colleges in Australia and Asia with a creation science department: ZERO The number of tenured or even paid professors who teach creation science at any of these universities or colleges: ZERO

    The most prestigious scientific publications in the Western World generally accessible to the public include: The Journal of the American Medical Association, the New England Journal of Medicine, Scientific American, Science, New Scientist, Cosmos and Live Science.

    Every month, one or more of them publishes a peer reviewed article highlighting the latest developments in evolution. The amount of any creationist science articles published in ANY of these prestigious publications; ZERO.

    I could repeat the above exercise for the following disciplines, all of which would have to be turned on their heads to accommodate creation science – paleontology, archeology, geology, botany, marine biology, astronomy, medicine, cosmology and historical linguistics.

    Nearly every scientific society, representing hundreds of thousands of scientists, have issued statements rejecting intelligent design and a peti.tion supporting the teaching of evolutionary biology was endorsed by 72 US Nobel Prize winners.

    Number of creation science Nobel Prize winners: ZERO

    The American Association for the Advancement of Science, the world's largest general scientific society with more than 130,000 members and over 262 affiliated societies and academies of science including over 10 million individuals, has made several statements and issued several press releases in support of evolution.

    Number made n support of creation science: ZERO

    According to The International Federation of Biologists, there are more than 3 million biological scientists globally who rely on the 5 laws of Darwinian evolution for their jobs every single day.

    There appears to be three possible explanations for all this:

    (i) there is a worldwide conspiracy of universities, colleges and academic publications, including all their hundreds of thousands of professors, editors, reviewers, and support staff, to deny creation science;

    (ii) you, Ken Ham, have a startling new piece of evidence that was right before our eyes that will turn accepted biological science and about 10 other sciences on their heads if ONLY people would listen to you, no doubt earning you a Nobel Prize and a place in history beside the likes of Darwin, Newton and Einstein; or

    (iii) you are a complete blowhard who has never studied one subject of university level biology, never been on an archaeological dig, never studied a thing about paleontology, geology, astronomy, linguistics or archaeology, but feel perfectly sure that you know more than the best biologists, archaeologists, paleontologists, doctors, astronomers botanists and linguists in the World because your mommy and daddy taught you some comforting stories from Bronze Age Palestine as a child.

    I know which alternative my money is on. Please die violently and soon.

    February 5, 2014 at 8:40 am |
    • Science Works

      CBS This Morning has a spot coming up in about 30 seconds .

      February 5, 2014 at 8:42 am |
      • Colin

        Thanks

        February 5, 2014 at 8:49 am |
    • David

      Please wake me up when this guy is done talking.

      February 5, 2014 at 8:51 am |
      • Chikkipop

        Go ahead; sleep through it like you have before, and continue to wallow in your ignorance.

        February 5, 2014 at 9:03 am |
    • Mack Hopkins

      You're forgetting the one and only rebuttal necessary for Christians and all religions worldwide. That God is all powerful and can do anything. If he magically wanted the Ark to house every species and last for a year during an illogical flood then he can because God can do anything. You can't win against them. They will beat you with magic, mythology and the concest that the laws of nature, science, physics, etc can be suspended by God because he's magic and can do anything. Further more they don't need to know how because if God wanted them to know he would tell them or have told them from the beginning. All they need to know is it happened and to shut up and be happy. Don't question God because it will make him angry and you'll be punished for it.

      February 5, 2014 at 9:19 am |
    • SSMAMnNL

      Colin, Fantastic logic and a good read. Your last statment however brings me to the conclusion that one thing you likely need is in fact a relationship with God.

      February 5, 2014 at 9:20 am |
      • Lucifer's Evil Twin

        I sent an email to god... but she hasn't answered yet

        February 5, 2014 at 9:27 am |
    • truth is a blinding light

      Thank you. Well written.

      February 5, 2014 at 9:22 am |
    • Truth Seeker

      Using distasteful language reveals your rebellion against the Creator so emphatically denied by your arguments. You spent much time relaying many pieces of information that most of us have already encountered in our public school years of forced evolution education – even through graduate school for some. Readers should be made aware that many people who currently accept Creation Science were formally educated to believe otherwise. We have sought our own answers which have brought us to the conclusion that evolution is not even remotely possible. Obviously, the world has natural tendencies toward decay rather than improvement (thermodynamics). The following link can provide you with many evidences which refute your very flawed ideas, Colin. May you determine to become more open-minded and willing to receive what should become very apparent and enlightening.

      February 5, 2014 at 12:37 pm |
      • Truth Seeker

        Crreation Link: http://www.answersingenesis.org/get-answers#/topic/thermodynamics-order

        February 5, 2014 at 12:41 pm |
      • igaftr

        TS...ironic name

        " Creation Science " does not exist. There is no science to the concept of creation. Attacking valid science with misinterpretations and false premises is not in itself a science.

        What scientific evidence exists that there were any gods involved with "creating" the universe?

        February 5, 2014 at 12:46 pm |
        • Truth Seeker

          Who in your mind determines "valid science". The word means 'knowledge'. Evolution is a mere theory – far from being proven as actual fact. There are no links between the species. Darwin himself stated that in future decades the huge gaps in the fossil record must be completed, or his theory was false. What a sad and hopeless state of belief for those who cling to a baseless and depressing idea which leads only to animalistic lifestyles and chaos for humanity!

          February 5, 2014 at 12:55 pm |
    • fred

      Excellent summary with the exception of the last few personal attacks.
      By 1996 even the Catholic Church gave the green light to evolution as to the physical human. New earth creationists rely upon genealogies of the Bible to speculate about a biblical time line. The Bible gives the timeline as N-6days certain which is correct given the purpose of creation as expressed therein.
      You touched upon oil geology which always gets my attention as the Bible puts the garden of Eden in the middle of the known world (supercontinent of Gondwana) about 650 Ma. This was the fertile ground where understanding of purpose was formed. This was where 2,000 years ago out of the middle east Abraham, Moses and Jesus set the stage for our predominate worldview. How did Moses know that in 1440BC?

      February 5, 2014 at 2:35 pm |
  17. Jones

    Simply put, no one can prove that Big Foot does not exist, because Big Foot does not exist. The onus of proof is on those who believe in something, not on those who don't. The debate was a mind-numbing waste of time. The concept of "historical vs. observational" science is without factual basis. It can be observed today how old the earth is; no extrapolation, no assumptions, no hypotheses necessary. And too, as some seem to misunderstand, the debate was not about the existence of God, it was about using one particular religious text as historical fact.

    February 5, 2014 at 8:36 am |
  18. JJ

    Creationism is not the alternative to Evolution – ignorance is

    February 5, 2014 at 8:36 am |
    • Kelly Gomez

      'Science' assumptions are proven wrong ALL THE TIME! We are teaching our kids something that could be disproven in 50 years..... on another assumption. "Everyone knows we came from a t-rex, lol It's so funny that 50 years ago people were so ignorant to think we came from apes, lol"

      Nye's 'science' takes faith and is based on assumptions and 'I think'.................that's the point to take away. Stop teaching it as fact when it is not! And why did the ape 1000 years ago decide not to be a human? So some decided to do it but some didn't and then all of the sudden they all stopped? Nice, very logical!

      February 5, 2014 at 9:14 am |
      • tallulah13

        Are you for real? If you are, then you should take some science classes because an average first grader had a better understanding of science than you appear to have.

        February 5, 2014 at 9:19 am |
      • JB

        As opposed to religion that has never been proven and is unwilling and unable to change based on evidence because a book filled with empty promises and stories tells them everything they need to know.

        February 5, 2014 at 9:20 am |
      • Lucifer's Evil Twin

        Kelly makes me sad 🙁

        February 5, 2014 at 9:39 am |
      • cedar rapids

        'And why did the ape 1000 years ago decide not to be a human? So some decided to do it but some didn't and then all of the sudden they all stopped? Nice, very logical!'

        You know the claim isnt that man came from apes right? they shared a common ancestor in the dark and distant past. And animals dont actually decided whether or not to evolve.
        talking of logical.

        February 5, 2014 at 10:28 am |
      • WhyMe

        Dear Kelly,

        Please stop using the word 'logical' as you have no concept of what it means.

        February 5, 2014 at 10:29 am |
        • Truth Seeker

          Kelly is right! The rest of you are the misinformed ones – stop and think! Don't merely accept evolution as fact! There is so much evidence otherwise. See the following link: http://www.answersingenesis.org/articles/aid/v3/n1/faster-than-speeding-bullet

          February 5, 2014 at 12:48 pm |
      • Droop

        Kelly, did you ever take a college course in genetics? I did. I came away wondering how, with all the things that can change with chromosomes, how anyone was born with only 2 legs, 2 arms, and a single head. Your DNA pretty much determines your body shape, your tendency to be fat or thin, develop poor eyesight, hair loss, predisposition to cancers, etc. It's no wonder that over 50% of pregnancies result in early miscarriage.

        People have a limited ability to control their own DNA. I could exercise to avoid becoming fat, wear glasses to compensate for poor eyesight. I can't control the DNA my children inherit. That depends on my husband's DNA and frankly, luck as to which genes and chromosomes are transmitted. The changes from evolution are usually minor and may or may not be transmitted to the following generation, if they are benign. Evolution works in terms of many thousands and millions of years, not just one generation. It's certainly not something an organism has any conscious control over. Please, learn a little biology.

        February 5, 2014 at 1:07 pm |
  19. David

    Is science saying that this world only exists to exist and then we die and it's over? Why do we even try then? Why are we concerned about the global warming or any of that if everyone just die's anyway. Is it for the people who are coming after us? Over 20% of all population lives in extreme poverty. This is what science has done for us. I believe in God because it gives me hope that there is something more. If I'm wrong, the worse thing that will happen is I die along with the rest of you.

    February 5, 2014 at 8:36 am |
    • truthprevails1

      Pascals Wager fails every time!

      February 5, 2014 at 8:42 am |
      • David

        Explain how it fails. Do I not die the same way as you?

        February 5, 2014 at 8:53 am |
        • truthprevails1

          If you erroneously believe in God, you lose nothing (assuming that death is the absolute end), whereas if you correctly believe in God, you gain everything (eternal bliss). But if you correctly disbelieve in God, you gain nothing (death ends all), whereas if you erroneously disbelieve in God, you lose everything (eternal damnation).

          February 5, 2014 at 9:13 am |
        • JLS639

          The implicit assumption of Pascal's wager is that religion carries no cost. I am not giving up my time to go worship anything. I know people that give up 200-300 hours a year or more on their religion. In fact, Pascal was challenged on this wager by Christian apologists for its dishonesty (IOW, the people who professionally argued to case for Christian belief thought the argument was garbage). Read up on Pascal's responses to see the lengths of his dishonesty. Yolo, so don't waste your time on religion.

          February 5, 2014 at 9:40 am |
    • Collin

      David,

      What if you die and find out Thor is the true Creator? Or Vishnu, or Horus or any other number of gods that could be accountable. BTW, you are largely the religion you are as a construct of where you are located in the world. If you were in Thailand, you'd be Buddhist,Sweden – well then you would have reason, understand the incomaptiblity of supernatural events with Science and probably be an atheist. At least if we die, we can just plead – sorry Thor, there was just not enough evidence, I was certainly not expecting this whole Ragnarok thing.

      February 5, 2014 at 8:47 am |
    • chubby rain

      David, life expectancy in the early 20th century was 31 years. Today it is 67. Poverty is part of our social and economic structure. As for where you get meaning and comfort in life, that is up to you.

      February 5, 2014 at 8:48 am |
    • JB

      Yes, when we die it is over. We are worried about Global Warming because of future generations who will inherit the mess from us until such time as they die and again pass on the mess to another generation and so on and so forth. This is a stupid position to try and argue on your part and rather egotistical.

      February 5, 2014 at 8:54 am |
    • Joe

      Yes, exactly. You die, and just like everything in nature, that's it. You think that would be a reason not to do anything in this world? Well I think exactly the opposite, this is life and we're mortal, we don't get to live forever in some paradise. That scares most people into religion. Fear is what makes people religious. But I find that to be liberating, because I'm going to do everything I want to do while I'm alive while people like you spend your time on your knees

      February 5, 2014 at 9:16 am |
    • cedar rapids

      'Is science saying that this world only exists to exist and then we die and it's over?'

      No, science has no claim either way. It will tell you what makes the body die, it will tell you how the world was created. It doesnt claim a reason for existence because there isnt one.

      February 5, 2014 at 10:31 am |
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