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February 17th, 2014
06:41 PM ET

Satanists: Accused Craigslist killer not one of us

By Daniel Burke, Belief Blog Co-editor
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(CNN) -  She's not one of us.

That's what Satanists are saying about accused "Craigslist killer" Miranda Barbour.

The 19-year-old told The Daily Item, a Pennsylvania newspaper, that she joined a satanic cult in Alaska when she was 13 and participated in several murders.

Barbour, who has been charged with one slaying in 2013, told the newspaper that she has been involved in  at least 22 killings.

But authorities haven't corroborated her claims, and top Satanists say they have no ties to Barbour or her husband, Elytte Barbour, who is also charged in the 2013 killing of 42-year-old Troy LaFerrara. Police say LaFerrara responded to a "companionship" ad placed by Miranda Barbour on Craigslist.

"According to our records, we have never had any contact from this woman, nor her accomplice," said Magus Peter Gilmore, high priest of the Church of Satan. "It seems to me that she is calling herself a member of a 'satanic cult,' not a legally incorporated above-ground form of satanism."

"Thorough investigation will likely demonstrate that this cult story is fiction," Gilmore added.

Founded in 1966 by Anton LaVey, the Church of Satan is the oldest and largest such body in the United States.

The church's "Nine Satanic Statements" hold that Satan "represents all of the so-called sins, as they all lead to physical, mental, or emotional gratification!"

Like Gilmore, Lucien Greaves, spokesman for the rival Satanic Temple, said his group has no ties to Barbour or her husband.

"Barbour seems bent on displaying herself as prolific murderer and absolute monster, and her 'Satanism' seems nothing more than another transparent effort to aid in this campaign of reverse," public relations, Greaves said.

"It must be remembered that 'the Devil made me do it' excuse far predates any written doctrine of Satanism, and I feel certain that Barbour's own relationship with any organized Satanism will turn out to be vague or non-existent," he added.

Greaves' Satanic Temple, more a band of political provocateurs than an organized religious group, is trying to place a monument to Satan at the Oklahoma state courthouse.

MORE ON CNN: Satanists unveil design for OK statehouse statue

Barbour's alleged satanic ties may resurrect painful memories for Satanists,  who found themselves at the center of controversy during the "satanic panic" of the 1980s.

During that time, several American communities reported that Satanists had abused children during horrifying rituals. The accusations were later debunked, but only after what Satanists like Gilmore describe as a "witch hunt."

Gilmore said his church is not a cult and does not allow minors to participate in its activities.

"As we’ve said time and again, satanism is a law and order philosophy, and we consider that the punishment should fit in kind and degree the crimes committed," Gilmore said. "Murderers deserve to be punished to the full extent of the law."

- CNN Religion Editor

Filed under: Crime • Cults • Satanism

soundoff (360 Responses)
  1. Apple Bush

    I will eventually die, and when that happens the universe will cease to exist.

    February 18, 2014 at 4:54 pm |
    • derado8

      I read a blog by someone who said that the Copenhagen interpretation gave them some hope that awareness was outside of the physical. I really don't know, no none does but look at it this way you won't be aware of not existing so you won't be worried about it.

      February 18, 2014 at 8:15 pm |
  2. Dyslexic doG

    In another century or so the world will look at Christianity and your god and your satan like we now look at thor and odin in asgard. People will laugh at the written record of christians in this forum and wonder how adults could believe such infantile foolishness. Keep writing your legacies folks. It'll get laughs someday.

    February 18, 2014 at 2:07 pm |
    • Dalahäst

      "The best thing is to let Christianity die a natural death. A slow death has something comforting about it. The dogma of Christianity gets worn away before the advances of science. Religion will have to make more and more concessions. Gradually the myths crumble. All that’s left is to prove that in nature there is no frontier between the organic and the inorganic.”

      February 18, 2014 at 4:25 pm |
      • thefinisher1

        Atheism will eventually die off and when that day happens..peace on earth.

        February 18, 2014 at 4:50 pm |
        • Dyslexic doG

          pitiful.

          February 18, 2014 at 5:11 pm |
      • hotairace

        Who are you quoting?

        February 18, 2014 at 5:14 pm |
        • Dalahäst

          That was either Hitler or dyslexic doG that said that.

          February 18, 2014 at 5:20 pm |
  3. thecroftmycroft

    How typical, the Church of Stan and the Temple of Stan competing to put out the most G-rated press release. Sold their souls for 501(c)(3) tax exemption, pitiful milquetoasts the lot of them.

    February 18, 2014 at 1:54 pm |
    • walterwart

      Nope. They have always rejected 501 3(c) status and believe no church including their own should be tax exempt

      February 18, 2014 at 2:54 pm |
  4. neverbeenhappieratheist

    First, this girl has no clue what Satanism is and likely believes it's some jumble of old Buffy the Vampire Slayer villians mixed with Twilight fans and goth kids, so to call her a Satanist is just silly.

    Second, no one has a trademark on the term "Satanism" so it's hardly surprising that there are many different denominations much like the 42,000 Christian denominations. It would not be enough to say "The killer was a Christian" but you would have to define down to the region and parish they come from, "The killer was a Southern Baptist Bullock-Centennial Baptists member from the Union Springs region of Alabama..."

    Reminds me of a Little Emo joke:

    Once I saw this guy on a bridge about to jump. I said, "Don't do it!" He said, "Nobody loves me." I said, "God loves you. Do you believe in God?"

    He said, "Yes." I said, "Are you a Christian or a Jew?" He said, "A Christian." I said, "Me, too! Protestant or Catholic?" He said, "Protestant." I said, "Me, too! What franchise?" He said, "Baptist." I said, "Me, too! Northern Baptist or Southern Baptist?" He said, "Northern Baptist." I said, "Me, too! Northern Conservative Baptist or Northern Liberal Baptist?"

    He said, "Northern Conservative Baptist." I said, "Me, too! Northern Conservative Baptist Great Lakes Region, or Northern Conservative Baptist Eastern Region?" He said, "Northern Conservative Baptist Great Lakes Region." I said, "Me, too!"

    Northern Conservative†Baptist Great Lakes Region Council of 1879, or Northern Conservative Baptist Great Lakes Region Council of 1912?" He said, "Northern Conservative Baptist Great Lakes Region Council of 1912." I said, "Die, heretic!" And I pushed him over.

    February 18, 2014 at 12:41 pm |
    • Dalahäst

      I love Emo

      -–

      A group of people arrive at the same time at the Pearly Gates and are processed by St Peter. The first one approaches him.
      "Religion?" St Peter asks.
      "Anglican" comes the reply.
      "Right, here's your harp, you're in room 3, but be quiet as you pass room 11."
      The person trotts off and the next one comes up to St P.
      "Religion?"
      "Baptist"
      "Right, here's your harp, you're in room 16, but be quiet as you pass room 11."
      Off he goes, and the third approaches.
      "Religion?"
      "Islam"
      ""Right, here's your harp, you're in room 5, but be quiet as you pass room 11. Next!"
      "I'm a Humanist"
      "Right, here's your harp, you're in room 7, but be quiet as you pass room 11."
      The final person comes up to St Peter.
      "I'm Anglican too, so I'll be in room 3, " she says, "But why do we have to be quiet when we go past room 11?"
      St Peter hands her a harp and replies:
      "That's where the Catholics are, and they think they're the only ones here."

      February 18, 2014 at 12:53 pm |
    • theophileo

      ...how about the epitaph:
      "Here lies an Atheist, all dressed up an nowhere to go."

      February 18, 2014 at 1:41 pm |
      • In Santa We Trust

        The truly sad part is that you think believers have a different fate. You'll be worm-food just like the atheists.

        February 18, 2014 at 1:44 pm |
        • theophileo

          Prove it.

          February 18, 2014 at 1:52 pm |
        • neverbeenhappieratheist

          Do you really want someone to go dig up all of your ancestors to prove to you what you to will beome someday?

          February 18, 2014 at 1:55 pm |
        • theophileo

          neverbeenhappieratheist,
          He spoke of fate. The Christian recognizes that there is an existence outside of this fleshly body. He obviously doesn't. I asked him to prove it.

          February 18, 2014 at 1:58 pm |
        • Dyslexic doG

          oh theo, what a wonderful fairy tale view of the world you have. Is that what your mummy tells you when she tucks you in at night?

          February 18, 2014 at 2:04 pm |
        • theophileo

          Dyslexic Dog,
          I hear atheists tell me all the time that they can be moral without God. Is this an example of ungodly morality? Because if it is, I hope that you don't teach your children to mock those whom they differ with. What a shame, what a shame.

          February 18, 2014 at 2:07 pm |
        • neverbeenhappieratheist

          fate: destined to happen, turn out, or act in a particular way.

          Your fate is to become worm food just like your ancestors and there is nothing to indicate any other possibility for you. Showing you the long line of your dead worm food ancestors would be one way to prove this as your fate as it would for any human. There has never been any evidence of any human living longer than our current average life span and so far no human has come back from the truly dead. Sure, we've had some hearts stop for some amazing lengths of time and been able to revive people before they go completely brain dead and there are many claim from people about their NDE's but I do not believe they are seeing anything more than a few screens of our brains operating system reboot sequence since we are but electrochemical biomechanical machines. Now to make solid claims of an afterlife would indeed take some empirical evidence and proof if you want anyone to actually believe you.

          February 18, 2014 at 2:12 pm |
        • In Santa We Trust

          theo, You're the one making the claim of "an existence outside of this fleshly body" so you're the one with the burden of proof.

          February 18, 2014 at 2:59 pm |
        • Dalahäst

          "The truly sad part is that you think believers have a different fate. You'll be worm-food just like the atheists."

          The onus is on the guy who makes that statement. Not on the guy who disagrees.

          You can't prove it. Just like most of the stuff you believe.

          February 18, 2014 at 3:30 pm |
      • neverbeenhappieratheist

        "Here lies the Christian, spent their whole lives trying to get into the after party just to find out it was a prank the mean kids had played on them just to steal their prom dates..."

        February 18, 2014 at 1:52 pm |
        • theophileo

          You will know better when we get to Revelation 20.

          February 18, 2014 at 2:00 pm |
        • Doris

          Revelation? No, not everyone is a substance abuser like John of Patmos...

          February 18, 2014 at 2:02 pm |
        • neverbeenhappieratheist

          When the wild beasts rise from the oceans and the sea boils with blood and Babylon the great has fallen, then i'll know better, yeah, that's it...

          February 18, 2014 at 2:16 pm |
      • otoh2

        theo,
        ""Here lies an Atheist, all dressed up an nowhere to go."

        The same epitaph could apply to the Christian.

        (that little ditty was a favorite of our old pal, HeavenSent, btw; just to give you a hint about how 'profound' it is)

        February 18, 2014 at 2:01 pm |
        • theophileo

          I didn't say it because it was profound.... I said it because it's ironic how atheists can make jokes about Christians all the time and it's tolerated, but when Christians joke about atheists, it's not tolerated.

          February 18, 2014 at 2:09 pm |
        • the0g0to0the0t

          Theo – well if they're actually funny... sure. But passive-agressive tactics are just lame from anyone.

          February 18, 2014 at 2:22 pm |
        • neverbeenhappieratheist

          "I said it because it's ironic how atheists can make jokes about Christians all the time and it's tolerated, but when Christians joke about atheists, it's not tolerated."

          Maybe that is because of the history of abuse at the hands of the theists that it seems in poor taste when a Christian attempts to mock an atheist.

          "Historians including Lucien Febvre agree atheism in its modern sense did not exist before the end of the seventeenth century. However, as governmental authority rested on the notion of divine right, it was threatened by those who denied the existence of the local god. Those labeled as atheist, including early Christians and Muslims, were as a result targeted for legal persecution. During the Early modern period, the term "atheist" was used as an insult and applied to a broad range of people, including those who held opposing theological beliefs, as well as suicides, immoral or self-indulgent people, and even opponents of the belief in witchcraft. Atheistic beliefs were seen as threatening to order and society by philosophers such as Thomas Aquinas. Lawyer and scholar Thomas More said that religious tolerance should be extended to all except those who did not believe in a deity or the immortality of the soul. John Locke, a founder of modern notions of religious liberty, argued that atheists (as well as Catholics and Muslims) should not be granted full citizenship rights. During the Inquisition, several of those accused of atheism or blasphemy, or both, were tortured or executed. These included the priest Giulio Cesare Vanini who was strangled and burned in 1619 and the Polish nobleman Kazimierz Łyszczyński who was executed in Warsaw, as well as Etienne Dolet, a Frenchman executed in 1546. Though heralded as atheist martyrs during the nineteenth century, recent scholars hold that the beliefs espoused by Dolet and Vanini are not atheistic in modern terms. In Germany during the Nazi era, a 1933 decree stated that "No National Socialist may suffer detriment... on the ground that he does not make any religious profession at all". However, the regime strongly opposed "godless communism", and most of Germany's atheist and largely left-wing freethought organizations were banned the same year; some right-wing groups were tolerated by the Nazis until the mid-1930s. During negotiations leading to the Nazi-Vatican Concordat of April 26, 1933 Hitler stated that "Secular schools can never be tolerated" because of their irreligious tendencies. Hitler routinely disregarded this undertaking, and the Reich concordat as a whole and by 1939, all Catholic denominational schools had been disbanded or converted to public facilities." – A History of God: The 4000-year Quest of Judaism, Christianity, and Islam, Random House 1994

          February 18, 2014 at 2:27 pm |
  5. bostontola

    Satanists: Accused Craigslist killer not one of us.

    Christians: Hitler was not one of ours.

    February 18, 2014 at 12:14 pm |
    • thefinisher1

      Hitler was probably abused as a child so everything he claims or what people claim is irrelevant. To have hate that big towards Jews takes an event that was caused in his childhood. Only idiots like atheists believe what people claim without seeing the BIGGER picture which means, you ignore all other factors on purpose. Ignorant atheists are common on the internet. How sad.

      February 18, 2014 at 12:37 pm |
      • Apple Bush

        It is amazing how completely 100% wrong you are. No clue.

        February 18, 2014 at 12:41 pm |
      • neverbeenhappieratheist

        "The Pew Forum on Religious Religion and Public Life released a survey on religious knowledge today. Atheists and Agnostics scored higher on it than anyone else, closely followed by Jews and Mormons, all Christians, Protestants and Catholics, were far behind.

        That's overall, but when you get into specific religions it does show a startling lack of basic knowledge by practltioners" – npr.org

        "Ignorant atheists are common on the internet."

        I think it's hilarious that atheists know more about the bible than you Christians do.

        February 18, 2014 at 12:57 pm |
      • igaftr

        salero
        What childhood incident happened to you that you have such an overwhelming hatred of atheists?...if your logic is correct of course

        February 18, 2014 at 1:01 pm |
        • thefinisher1

          I don't hate atheists. I fight against atheist fundies. Big difference troll.

          February 18, 2014 at 1:06 pm |
        • igaftr

          you shoud look at yourself more closely....the venom you spew is clearly hatred, you violate the 9th commantment with nearly every post, use continuous streams of ad hominem and non-sequitur.

          You aren't fighting against anything. You clearly do not have an understanding of what atheism is.

          You may want to seek some professional help, perhaps a repressed memory, but these negative feelings you have will just cause you grief.
          Calling me a troll coming from you is hilarious, since I do not even come close to that definition.

          February 18, 2014 at 1:16 pm |
        • igaftr

          salero
          What is a "fundy atheist" by the way. That makes no sense. There is no fundimentalism...it simply means you do not believe in gods.
          The particular windmill you may be attempting to tilt at is not a non-belief, but rather what atheists believe...and that is individual to the atheist, so you need to address each one as an individual to address their beliefs. It is not the same as in religion where you have everyone taught roughly the same myths.

          February 18, 2014 at 1:32 pm |
        • neverbeenhappieratheist

          fundamentalism: a form of a religion, especially Islam or Protestant Christianity, that upholds belief in the strict, literal interpretation of scripture.

          Seriously have to work hard to make that fit an atheist but I have no doubt some religious moron will try.

          February 18, 2014 at 1:58 pm |
        • Dalahäst

          Here is an atheist, talking about atheists.

          I think a fundamental atheist is like a "superior atheist" he describes here. Basically it is a phase people go through. The short, the better.

          "You may hear it make statements such as, “religion is the sole cause of all wars, 9/11 happened because of religion and no other reason”, or, “the only reason for the existence of faith is a fear of death.” Such statements are, of course, wrong. They are highly simplistic analysis of the complex world in which we live. Failing to account for other factors they leave much to be desired as explanations for how the world and the people in it function.

          http://aafwaterloo.wordpress.com/2011/09/18/your-superiority-complex-annoys-me/

          February 18, 2014 at 3:44 pm |
        • neverbeenhappieratheist

          "a fundamental atheist is like a "superior atheist" he describes here."

          The described individual sounds like a tin foil hat wearing conspiracy theory moron and not a "fundementalist atheist" or even a "superior atheist".

          There is no scripture that atheists can take literally that would by definition make them a fundementalist. The list of crazy beliefs is just that, some persons list of crazy beliefs.

          No one would even know atheists exist if it weren't for religion pushing its faith in everyones face like some overbearing perfume salesman forcing us to smell their new fragrance while pompously smiling and saying "Yes, isn't it the best smell! Everyone will love it when we can make everything smell this wonderful! Oh happy day!" And when some reject their unwelcomed advances the perfumer gets this pouty hurt look on their face and whine "But I was just trying to help, I don't know how you can stand to smell that way.. boo hooo..."

          February 18, 2014 at 6:39 pm |
      • bostontola

        finisher,
        For the life of me, I can't figure out how your response relates to my comment. I merely was pointing out that most groups disown bad apples.

        February 18, 2014 at 1:06 pm |
        • Alias

          He didn't like what you posted, so he posted something he thought you wouldn't like.

          February 18, 2014 at 1:10 pm |
        • thefinisher1

          Hitler was a Christian(I guess Catholic) for the public to gain support but many did not know what was really going on. It's actually kinda sad that you "logicals" believe the lies from a a man who ordered the deaths of people. If you ignore ALL factors but decide to cherry pick based on popularity(he was a Christian) you're seriously the most dumbest person of all. It's seriously messed up that believe criminals and murders. It's really sad.

          February 18, 2014 at 1:10 pm |
        • bostontola

          You said: "seriously the most dumbest person of all. It's seriously messed up that believe criminals and murders. It's really sad."

          Internet tip: when you call someone stupid, don't display stupidity in the same sentence, it could erode your credibility.

          February 18, 2014 at 1:16 pm |
        • thefinisher1

          So you admit you ignore all factors but cherry pick one based on popularity? Hmm. So much stupid I can't even handle it! 😜😃😄😀😀😊

          February 18, 2014 at 1:22 pm |
        • bostontola

          You have a propensity for drawing random conclusions. You could make a living off that if you find a way to make it funny.

          February 18, 2014 at 1:24 pm |
        • thefinisher1

          I take that you not answering the question means it's true. Why else are you avoiding giving an answer? Looking at one factor based on popularity is stupid on your part. What happened in his life? Did he go drunk with power? What made him hate Jews so much? These are dangerous questions for atheists because it destroys your fantasy. Instead it doesn't blame religion. It has other important factors YOU IGNORE ON PURPOSE. Next troll please.

          February 18, 2014 at 1:29 pm |
        • bostontola

          What avoidance? I was trying to not directly show that you keep missing the point. I explicitly told you my point (this is my OP): "I merely was pointing out that most groups disown bad apples." What "other factors" are involved in that point?

          You keep saying atheists are stupid, why with all your transcendent wisdom can't you get this simple point?

          February 18, 2014 at 1:33 pm |
        • TruthPrevails1

          He saw it as a chance to pick on someone who is obviously far more intelligent than he is and thus a turn to spew more hatred of atheists....he just keeps putting more nails in christianities proverbial coffin-no harm done to our side.

          February 18, 2014 at 1:46 pm |
        • neverbeenhappieratheist

          The Fin Isher Won...

          I think "Ishing" must be some sort of perverted act a few demented fishermen have performed on fish they have caught, something to do with the rear fin...

          February 18, 2014 at 1:48 pm |
        • Creationists say the darndest things

          Alias: "He [finisher1] didn't like what you posted, so he posted something he thought you wouldn't like."

          Bingo. Such sad sad attempts at trolling...

          February 18, 2014 at 1:50 pm |
        • thefinisher1

          Bad apples eh? What if Hilter never believed? Would he still be one of those "bad apples" of Catholism? What if he used the popular faith of his country for SUPPORT yet left them out in the dark on the whole deal? The only people that knew exactly what was going on was his army. THAT'S IT. His own country did not know that Naz.i scientists were conducting experiments on Jews. Those questions ARE the other factors. Your factor is "he was Christian thus his reasons are Christain-based". My factors include EVERYTHING that happened in his life. Mine isn't one single factor. Yours is. Get the picture yet? Or is it too hard for you to admit you're wrong?

          February 18, 2014 at 3:24 pm |
        • Alias

          Hitler used the jews to unite the german people. Nothing brings people together like a common enemy.
          At the time, the jews were on average better off financially that the average german.
          If a minority race/religion were in control in America today a politician could use that to get elected too.

          February 18, 2014 at 3:54 pm |
        • thefinisher1

          So atheists are liars and have been telling the world Hitler did it for religious reasons?! The Germans were jealous of how successful the Jews were. Atheists distort things all the time so they have an attack made against Christians.

          February 18, 2014 at 4:13 pm |
        • igaftr

          salero
          "So atheists are liars and have been telling the world Hitler did it for religious reasons?! The Germans were jealous of how successful the Jews were. Atheists distort things all the time so they have an attack made against Christians."

          You seriously have it VERY VERY wrong.
          Hitler did not like atheists either, and many were put to death in the camps as well. He did not believe anyone who did not believe in god ( the abrahamic god) could be moral, and saw it as a form of mental illness. He felt the jews had corrupted christianity but fully believed in the Abrahamic god.
          As far as you speaking for the German people of the time, my grandmother would drag you through the streets for your lies...she was there during Hitlers rise to power, she got out shortly after the conkordat with the catholics, who got out of Hitlers way when he started going after the jews.
          She would tell you a story of the fear used to control the people...anyone who spoke out disappeared.
          Hitler DID believe what he was doing was in line with GOD's will...the very same god as christians....He is a good example of what happens when unfounded beliefs meet power.

          You really enjoy violating the terms of service on this site, but you REALLY need a serious history lesson if you are going to bring up Hitler.

          February 18, 2014 at 4:38 pm |
    • theophileo

      No, Hitler was demonic... He also later renounced any connection he ever had to Catholicism...

      February 18, 2014 at 1:44 pm |
      • bostontola

        Thanks for being an exemplar of my point.

        February 18, 2014 at 1:47 pm |
        • theophileo

          So, if you find a counterfeit $20 bill, does that mean you don't use money anymore?
          Of course not, you see the counterfeit for what it is, but understand that there are real bills in circulation.

          February 18, 2014 at 1:54 pm |
        • Doris

          Some Lutherans of course officially state that the Pope is the antichrist. Are they like a counterfeit $20 bill, Theo?

          February 18, 2014 at 2:00 pm |
        • theophileo

          No.. But that's not what they believe. They believe (and he is) a TYPE of anti-christ. He stands in the place of Christ as a mediator between God and man, but there is only one Mediator, and that is the man Jesus Christ.

          February 18, 2014 at 2:02 pm |
        • bostontola

          So you don't think groups reject their bad apples?

          February 18, 2014 at 2:02 pm |
        • theophileo

          So you don't think groups reject their bad apples?
          -------
          If you saw a fellow member of PETA eating a cheeseburger, wouldn't you question his authenticity?

          February 18, 2014 at 2:12 pm |
        • igaftr

          theo
          I am a member of PETA...People Eating Tasty Animals...and it is common to see me with a cheeseburger.

          February 18, 2014 at 2:40 pm |
      • Doc Vestibule

        The problem is not whatever religious faith Hitler had "in his heart" – it is that he successfully leveraged his people's religious faith and used religious arguments to whip the nation into an anti-semitic frenzy.
        He publically professed his Christianity time and again.

        "I am now as before a Catholic and will always remain so."
        – Adolf Hitler, to General Gerhard Engel, 1941

        He sought to foster the appearance of amicable relations with the Roman Catholic Church to bolster his credibility and reputation as a good Christian.
        "The fact that the Catholic Church has come to an agreement with Fascist Italy ...proves beyond doubt that the Fascist world of ideas is closer to Christianity than those of Jewish liberalism or even atheistic Marxism"
        – Adolf Hitler in an article in the Völkischer Beobachter, February 29, 1929

        This facade of Christianity gave a veneer of legitimacy to his hatred and allowed him to focus Germany's discontent on a scapegoat while simultaenously absolving the citizenry of guilt by letting them rationalize it as God's will:
        "My feelings as a Christian points me to my Lord and Savior as a fighter. It points me to the man who once in loneliness, surrounded by a few followers, recognized these Jews for what they were and summoned men to fight against them and who, God's truth! was greatest not as a sufferer but as a fighter. In boundless love as a Christian and as a man I read through the passage which tells us how the Lord at last rose in His might and seized the scourge to drive out of the Temple the brood of vipers and adders. ...Today, after two thousand years, with deepest emotion I recognize more profoundly than ever before the fact that it was for this that He had to shed his blood upon the Cross."
        – Adolf Hitler, speech on April 12, 1922

        He recognized what a powerful tool of statecraft religious faith can be and actively discourage free-thinkers.
        "We were convinced that the people need and require this faith. We have therefore undertaken the fight against the atheistic movement, and that not merely with a few theoretical declarations: we have stamped it out".
        The Speeches of Adolf Hitler, April 1922-August 1939, Vol. 1 of 2, Oxford University Press, 1942

        This is why Nazi uniform belt buckles were emblazoned with the slogan “Gott mit uns” (God is with us).

        February 18, 2014 at 2:56 pm |
        • Dalahäst

          Hitler hated Christianity.

          He had a plan to destroy it. It was wise for him to act like one for awhile. But he wasn't being honest.

          He was a liar.

          February 18, 2014 at 3:31 pm |
        • Doc Vestibule

          Your supposition is conjecture that contradicts his repeated writings, statements and actions.

          February 18, 2014 at 3:41 pm |
        • Dalahäst

          He said he hated it.

          His closest confidants said he hated it.

          "The Fuhrer is deeply religious, though completely anti-Christian. He views Christianity as a symptom of decay. Rightly so. It is a branch of the Jewish race. This can be seen in the similarity of their religious rites. Both (Judaism and Christianity) have no point of contact to the animal element, and thus, in the end they will be destroyed."

          — Goebbels Diaries, 29 December 1939

          February 18, 2014 at 4:19 pm |
        • Dalahäst

          Either way he was lying.

          February 18, 2014 at 4:20 pm |
  6. Dyslexic doG

    'the Devil made me do it' excuse is about as old as the "god told me to do it" scam.

    caught me sleeping with your wife? god told me to do it. need to oppress a certain group? god told me that they are evil. need money? god told me that you must give me money. want land? god gave me this land!

    see how it works? easy!

    February 18, 2014 at 12:01 pm |
    • Dalahäst

      I've heard people say God helps them do things.

      The devil made me do it? I've only heard that jokingly. As in they weren't being literal.

      February 18, 2014 at 12:07 pm |
      • neverbeenhappieratheist

        "The devil made me do it? I've only heard that jokingly. As in they weren't being literal."

        I'm glad to hear we agree that there is no literal devil having an influence on our actions.

        February 18, 2014 at 12:26 pm |
        • Dalahäst

          Yet I know for a fact that evil exists.

          February 18, 2014 at 12:30 pm |
        • neverbeenhappieratheist

          There is no objective evil, only subjective evil, and it so happens the subject is almost always us.

          February 18, 2014 at 12:53 pm |
    • thesamyaza

      that reminds me, two weeks ago this one chick was running he mouth about Homosexuty in my coffee shop so i walk over their and kiss her and said god told me to do it, i think i made her Les. she shut up and turned red tried to run out the door, hit it then looked around even redder then ran away.

      February 18, 2014 at 2:46 pm |
  7. thedevilinamerica

    Reblogged this on The Devil in America.

    February 18, 2014 at 11:48 am |
    • neverbeenhappieratheist

      As long as he's using a condom why should I care?

      February 18, 2014 at 1:26 pm |
    • thesamyaza

      i should be in America did you see the statue they have of me in New York. America is my best success so far although lately you all been fucking up,.. oh i feel so depressed fist Stalin, then bush now, now Obama, it seems everything i work for just goes to hell...

      February 18, 2014 at 2:52 pm |
  8. Dalahäst

    An individual who happens to be atheist told me he can't prove that I'm brainwashed. I just have to believe him. And if I believe him... I'll be cured of my affliction.

    You can't make this stuff up.

    February 18, 2014 at 11:08 am |
    • Dalahäst

      I hope it is satire. The trolls are getting funny.

      February 18, 2014 at 11:09 am |
    • Apple Bush

      We atheists are such cards.

      February 18, 2014 at 11:19 am |
      • Dalahäst

        Jokers.

        February 18, 2014 at 11:21 am |
        • otoh2

          Sometimes perhaps they are diamonds in the ruff...

          I often give them a hand. Suit yourself, though!

          February 18, 2014 at 11:29 am |
        • otoh2

          * "ruff" is a Bridge term - to play a trump (a successful action)

          February 18, 2014 at 11:33 am |
        • Dalahäst

          -an "excuse" (card) that can be played at any time but cannot win.-

          February 18, 2014 at 11:38 am |
        • Dyslexic doG

          ruff ruff

          February 18, 2014 at 11:55 am |
        • otoh2

          dD,

          Good Boy!

          (Welcome to the club)

          (Just make sure that all of your girlfriends are spade)

          February 18, 2014 at 12:06 pm |
        • Alias

          You have to have the heart for these puns.

          February 18, 2014 at 12:55 pm |
        • otoh2

          Sometimes I am fairly flush with them! You can't always play it straight, Uno.

          (ok, ok, I'll stop now, before the rotten tomatoes start to be tossed)

          February 18, 2014 at 1:09 pm |
        • Apple Bush

          I can't keep it straight.

          February 18, 2014 at 1:09 pm |
        • Apple Bush

          otoh2, I think you are bluffing.

          February 18, 2014 at 1:11 pm |
        • Alias

          Time to shuffle off to another thread?
          Or do you still have an ace up your sleeve?
          Should we just put all our cards on the table here?

          February 18, 2014 at 1:12 pm |
        • Alias

          I think I'm done, or as they say, all in.

          February 18, 2014 at 1:13 pm |
        • Apple Bush

          I am folding.

          February 18, 2014 at 1:14 pm |
        • Dalahäst

          Just throw out the instruction card, like all the other atheists.

          February 18, 2014 at 1:16 pm |
        • Apple Bush

          Now you have tipped your hand.

          February 18, 2014 at 1:22 pm |
        • Dalahäst

          Yep!

          February 18, 2014 at 1:23 pm |
        • otoh2

          Or as the mare Horse said, "Because of that stud, I foaled" Dam.

          February 18, 2014 at 1:33 pm |
        • neverbeenhappieratheist

          well i'd like to double down and make a bid for Captain of the Atheist claim by clearing my suit and driving out the double dummy of the entry squeezing believer... You can take that HUM to the bank...

          February 18, 2014 at 1:34 pm |
        • neverbeenhappieratheist

          Oh, and i'll never again fall for the Christians tricks...

          badump bump!!

          February 18, 2014 at 1:37 pm |
        • Apple Bush

          We should float them down the river.

          February 18, 2014 at 1:41 pm |
        • Alias

          what is the deal here?

          February 18, 2014 at 4:06 pm |
        • Dalahäst

          I pulled out the Christian card and everyone folded, except for that snake handling guy. He got bit and died, so I won that round.

          February 18, 2014 at 4:13 pm |
        • lunchbreaker

          YAHTZEE!

          February 18, 2014 at 4:20 pm |
    • Anthony Crispino

      I would think if you had been waterboarded you would be the one who would remember it. Who is this joker anyway? My nephew Toolie accidentally waterboarded himself when he slipped and fell into the baptistry just after a baptism.

      February 18, 2014 at 11:39 am |
      • Dalahäst

        No, there is nothing like water-boarding being done. Basically brainwashing is similar to a simple advertisement one might see on a tv. It really isn't that big of deal. There are some people, atheists, that can overcome brainwashing using special skills they developed in evolution. Religious people don't have these skills. They are unfortunate.

        The way you cure these people is by treating them as sub-humans and telling them how smarter you are and how privileged you are to have better parents.

        Apparently it works.

        February 18, 2014 at 11:50 am |
    • Apple Bush

      Wouldn't it be ironic if Jesus was an atheist? We will never know.

      February 18, 2014 at 12:28 pm |
      • Dalahäst

        He said he wasn't. Or was that Einstein?

        February 18, 2014 at 12:42 pm |
        • Apple Bush

          Exactly, lots of atheists remain in the closet and/or use God as a business.

          February 18, 2014 at 12:51 pm |
        • Dalahäst

          They turn religion into a scam.

          February 18, 2014 at 12:54 pm |
        • Alias

          actually I've hesrd that jesus was in the closet more than once.

          February 18, 2014 at 1:00 pm |
  9. Apple Bush

    Satanists gone wild.

    February 18, 2014 at 11:01 am |
    • Alias

      Now that is a movie I would have to rent.

      February 18, 2014 at 12:53 pm |
  10. Doc Vestibule

    Moloch is not Satan.
    The cult of Moloch is mentioned in the Bible as an example of a terrible pagan god with murderous worship rituals and, thank to Dante's Inferno, has become a defacto descriptor for any cult that practices human sacrifice.
    However, there hasn't been any recorded modern instance of Moloch worship.

    People dream up all manner of absurd worship rituals for their gods, believing that all powerful beings will become upset if they don't receive flattery. Some have torn the still beating hearts from the chests of human victims, others have slain animals and sprinkled their blood on altars.
    In the modern world, there is widespread genital mutilation, self denial, self and group flagellation, ritual drownings and cannibalism, violent and dangrous rites of exorcism, denial of life saving medical care, – all in the name of the God of Abraham.

    "The most ridiculous concept ever perpetrated by H.Sapiens is that the Lord God of Creation, Shaper and Ruler of the Universes, wants the sacharrine adoration of his creations, that he can be persuaded by their prayers, and becomes petulant if he does not recieve this flattery. Yet this ridiculous notion, without one real shred of evidence to bolster it, has gone on to found one of the oldest, largest and least productive industries in history."
    – Robert Heinlein

    February 18, 2014 at 8:35 am |
    • Doc Vestibule

      Sorry – that was meant as a reply to Theophileo

      February 18, 2014 at 8:35 am |
    • theophileo

      "However, there hasn't been any recorded modern instance of Moloch worship"
      ---------
      Let's go do some Christian missionary work sometime and you'll see it first hand. And worse.

      February 18, 2014 at 1:48 pm |
      • Akira

        Where? Can you link anything, or is this anecdotal?

        February 18, 2014 at 2:12 pm |
  11. theophileo

    In this country, we are so isolated from the many evils that men conduct in the name of Satan. I've been to places where it has nothing to do with politics like the play organization that Magus Peter Gilmore heads. That's a joke. A gathering of people whose main desire is to raise eyebrows.

    Try looking up the worship of Moloch. This stuff still happens today. Where parents take their newly born children and place them in the arms of a metal statue that has been heated white hot because they think they will gain some benefit by sacrificing their children in the fire.

    It really is enough to make you cry when you see how far men are willing to go because they think that some spirit will give them good things in this life. But satan is a deceiver, and he comes in many forms. Sometimes in the form of a political organization, sometimes in the form of Moloch, and sometimes in philosophical naturalism...

    February 18, 2014 at 7:41 am |
    • midwest rail

      Kent and Brandon Schaible concur.

      February 18, 2014 at 7:48 am |
    • Tom, Tom, the Other One

      Yes, religion often inspires people to do things they ought not and to not do things they should do. It really doesn't matter which "spirit" they are worshiping. It's always imagined. All evil starts in someone's imagination.

      February 18, 2014 at 7:54 am |
    • TruthPrevails1

      Steven Weinberg said it rather nicely: "Religion is an insult to human dignity. With or without it you would have good people doing good things and evil people doing evil things. But for good people to do evil things, that takes religion."

      February 18, 2014 at 7:58 am |
    • the0g0to0the0t

      Have you got anything to back up that statement? Otherwise you're just as bad as the "satanic cult" scares we had in the 80's... which were started by a work of fiction no less...

      February 18, 2014 at 12:07 pm |
    • thesamyaza

      Try looking up the worship of Moloch. This stuff still happens today. Where parents take their newly born children and place them in the arms of a metal statue that has been heated white hot because they think they will gain some benefit by sacrificing their children in the fire.

      those who follow Moloch believe that a newborn comes form the same place you go when you die. it is a black desolate land and in order to remove the taint of that land a baptism of fire is needed. to do this the child is held over a flame after being doused with water for no more then 2 seconds. if every follower of Moloch did as you said their would be no followers of Moloch. but i guess a person who drowns their children cant passably under stand the sacredness of baptism, oh my last girlfriend was baptized this way, zhi has no burn scars. and zhis alive.

      February 18, 2014 at 2:36 pm |
  12. thesamyaza

    question why do satanist continue to worship an angel that bows to the great tyrant. your just another set of the abrahamic religion.

    he watch me stick it to the man in the classic game SMT 2
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2TsWB2c55Mo

    February 18, 2014 at 1:30 am |
  13. Alias

    Wait, the female poster who we all knew was on the verge of losing it stopped posting as Lilve4him a few days ago, and now a woman who has plainly lost it gets arrested.
    I guess it could be coincidence.
    (too soon?)

    February 18, 2014 at 12:06 am |
    • Dyslexic doG

      No ... that poster couldn't put a coherent thought together even in this forum, much less formulate an action. Miranda Barbour is waaaay more intelligent and sophisticated than our favorite Belief Blog troll. (and that's setting the bar VERY low)

      February 18, 2014 at 12:13 am |
    • tallulah131

      I had no idea that Liver is a female. Huh.

      February 18, 2014 at 12:54 am |
    • Doc Vestibule

      After the Ham/Nye debate, I noticed Live4Him kind of faded away.

      February 18, 2014 at 8:38 am |
      • midwest rail

        As has Topher...

        February 18, 2014 at 8:41 am |
        • Woody

          Rest as.sured, there are plenty of non thinking, delusional, brainwashed bible thumpers out there ready to jump in to take their places. As we can see by recent post, a new crop has already started to move in.

          February 18, 2014 at 11:39 am |
      • sam stone

        yeah, but we still got larry (i know who the true christias are) of arabia

        February 18, 2014 at 11:49 am |
        • doobzz

          And AE (I'll never give a straight answer) is still here.

          February 18, 2014 at 2:51 pm |
      • Sungrazer

        I faded away around the same time. It was because 1) I went out of the country and 2) I couldn't be bothered until today to create a WordPress account.

        February 18, 2014 at 12:03 pm |
        • jamesxcix

          Just curious... how did you manage to keep your username with upper case letters?

          February 18, 2014 at 12:17 pm |
        • Akira

          I think that's why L4H hasn't been back either; there's a few people missing since they went to a new format.

          The trolls are still here, though. They'll always get around it.

          February 18, 2014 at 12:47 pm |
        • Lucifer's Evil Twin

          Magic

          February 18, 2014 at 1:07 pm |
        • Sungrazer

          jamesxcix,

          There is a separte setting for display name. I capitalized and got rid of the "11" in my official name.

          February 18, 2014 at 1:35 pm |
        • jamesxcix

          Thanks.

          February 18, 2014 at 1:56 pm |
        • JamesXCIX

          Got it.

          February 18, 2014 at 1:59 pm |
  14. Anthony Crispino

    People are ignoring the obvious. This girl probably hasn't killed anyone. But Satan is making her say she killed people. Although it could be that Satan has talked a book publisher into talking her into saying she killed some people if you know what I'm talking about. Either way Satan is the one in control here. Just like judge Scalia said, he's a real guy just walkin around like you and me. In fact, my wife's groin doctor knows a guy who saw Satan walking around in broad daylight over in Elizabeth one day. He said he changed himself into a dumpster in just a few seconds. He's not someone you want to fool around with.

    February 17, 2014 at 11:33 pm |
    • tallulah131

      So who killed the guy who answered her Craig's List ad for companionship? The police seem to think that there is evidence that she at least participated. Are they lying too?

      February 18, 2014 at 12:53 am |
    • the0g0to0the0t

      "In fact, my wife's groin doctor knows a guy who saw Satan walking around in broad daylight over in Elizabeth one day. He said he changed himself into a dumpster in just a few seconds. He's not someone you want to fool around with."

      Ahh... parody. Thought you were serious for a moment.

      February 18, 2014 at 12:09 pm |
  15. thefinisher1

    If an atheist who grew up with atheist parents and no influence of religion whatsoever, decided to leave the atheist cult and believe (insert religion), would atheists respond with anger and shun them? I wonder what internet atheists would do if one of them decides to leave the cult of non-belief even though that person decided to believe a religion they chose. If that happened, most atheists wouldn't respond too kindly to the situation.

    February 17, 2014 at 10:07 pm |
    • evolveddna

      Why?

      February 17, 2014 at 10:35 pm |
    • tallulah131

      I wonder what an internet troll would do if everyone just ignored him/her. Let's see what happens when people ignore thefinisher!

      February 17, 2014 at 11:19 pm |
      • thefinisher1

        Still haven't answered the question. Hmmm. I guess your atheism is so weak that you won't admit one of your cult members murdered people. Sad.

        February 18, 2014 at 8:21 am |
    • QuestionsEverything

      Apparently you do not understand that atheism is not a cult.

      February 18, 2014 at 9:59 am |
      • igaftr

        There are many things that particular troll cleraly does not understand, including the terms of use.

        February 18, 2014 at 10:06 am |
  16. Vic

    The fallen man is the fallen man, no matter what!

    February 17, 2014 at 9:58 pm |
    • evolveddna

      Vic.. incorrect..some say mired in religion unable to stand on their own, and some manage to get up and move on.

      February 17, 2014 at 10:39 pm |
    • doobzz

      All he needs is Life Alert.

      http://www.lifealert.com

      February 18, 2014 at 2:54 pm |
  17. Noralmt

    Reblogged this on Scoop Social's Blog.

    February 17, 2014 at 9:48 pm |
  18. Apple Bush

    You have made death for yourself. You can now wrap yourself in the misery of your own making and loving. Sinister and dark. You crawl from beneath your own foul skin, consuming the meat and wearing the package. Is that why you smell so bad sister? Is that why death is on your breath?

    February 17, 2014 at 9:20 pm |
  19. derado8

    I don't know why people kill people. If you wait 80 to 100 years or so they will die all by themselves and you don't have to do a thing.

    February 17, 2014 at 8:03 pm |
  20. thefinisher1

    Aren't most Satanists actually atheists? Ha! An atheist murdered people! Atheists logic is very flawed considering how most think only religious people do evil. In fact, atheists in the past century have racked up the most deaths, killing millions of religious people. It's so much fun rubbing this in atheists faces.

    February 17, 2014 at 6:50 pm |
    • Truth Be Told

      True! Hitler was the biggest atheists of all, even starting the first major atheist church.

      February 17, 2014 at 7:29 pm |
      • bostontola

        Why lie when you could have just pointed to Stalin? Every educated person knows Hitler was not an atheist. You must be a Muslim, apparently it's ok to lie in the service of Allah.

        February 17, 2014 at 7:52 pm |
      • Dyslexic doG

        "My feeling as a Christian points me to my Lord and Savior as a fighter. It points me to the man who once in loneliness, surrounded only by a few followers, recognized these Jews for what they were and summoned men to fight against them and who, God's truth! was greatest not as a sufferer but as a fighter. In boundless love as a Christian and as a man I read through the passage which tells us how the Lord at last rose in His might and seized the scourge to drive out of the Temple the brood of vipers and adders. How terrific was his fight against the Jewish poison. Today, after two thousand years, with deepest emotion I recognize more profoundly than ever before the fact that it was for this that He had to shed his blood upon the Cross. As a Christian, I have no duty to allow myself to be cheated, but I have the duty to be a fighter for truth and justice."

        -Adolph Hitler Munich April 12, 1922

        February 17, 2014 at 8:53 pm |
        • kevinite

          There is nothing that proves sincerity quite like making some big time speech to appeal to the masses.

          February 17, 2014 at 9:30 pm |
        • Dalahäst

          Hitler hated Christianity... almost as much as D.doG.

          February 17, 2014 at 10:37 pm |
        • tallulah131

          It doesn't matter what Hitler believed. The German people who voted him in and gave him power were overwhelmingly catholic and protestant. Without christians, Hitler would have just been another obscure angry man with an ugly mustache.

          February 17, 2014 at 11:18 pm |
    • guidedans

      Don't be too harsh on atheists. They don't have any real meaning in life and in death, they have to face... you know.

      Give them a break while they are alive. This is as close to heaven as they are going to get.

      BTW, atheists, you should come to Jesus. If you want to have a life with any semblance of meaning, you need God.

      February 17, 2014 at 7:59 pm |
      • bostontola

        Don't be too harsh on atheists. They don't have any real meaning in life and in death, they have to face... you know.
        Give them a break while they are alive. This is as close to heaven as they are going to get.
        BTW, atheists, you should come to Jesus.

        Great marketing line, you must get lots of converts with those lines. Is arrogance and pride central to Jesus' instructions in your sect of Christianity?

        February 17, 2014 at 8:06 pm |
        • guidedans

          Apologies for the flippancy. Honestly though, you should come to Jesus. There is no arrogance in admitting you are a sinner and you are a bad person in need of redemption. You need to humble yourself before God and admit that you don't know everything and that you are willing to serve something greater than yourself. Do it. Not for the fear of Hell or the desire for Heaven, but because it is the best way to live your life. Also, you get a bonus of heaven.

          February 18, 2014 at 2:23 pm |
        • TruthPrevails1

          guidedans: Wow! You spewed a lot of nothing there. You have no evidence for your god or jesus or heaven outside of the bible-so why pretend to?
          Most Atheists were christian at one point until they came to the conclusion that none of it adds up to the insurmountable amounts of actual evidence against it.
          Sin is only pertinent in your world, it has no bearing on non-believers.
          Honestly since giving up the belief life has taken on a brighter meaning...you should join us, you'd be truly enlightened with how free you'll feel.

          February 18, 2014 at 2:28 pm |
        • guidedans

          Haha TruthPrevails. It's funny because I was an Atheist for a long time. I thought that all the evidence against the Bible was super cool. I then realized that, one day, everything I ever worked for on earth would be destroyed and that really, in a Godless universe, nothing matters. I then realized that there was an alternative, you can choose Jesus and have a hope for an eternity of salvation. There are other reasons too of course, but honestly, there is so much more joy in having Jesus as your Lord than trying to be your own lord. There may be nothing I can say to try and change your mind, but Really believe you are placing your bets on a horse that is going to lose the race. (i.e., the world that will one day be engulfed by the sun).

          February 18, 2014 at 2:47 pm |
      • derado8

        Gidedans, I know this is probably hard for you to do but picture just for a second what if there was nothing. I mean really and truly nothing, death just was what it was, is what it is. Now imagining that take a second look at what you posted.

        February 17, 2014 at 8:16 pm |
      • evolveddna

        guidedans.. your comments are exactly the reason we do not believe in your god..if i wanted to embrace a god it would not be the god of the bible or the Koran..

        February 17, 2014 at 8:27 pm |
        • guidedans

          This life is temporary and eventually, the world will turn to dust or be absorbed by the sun. Everything you have ever worked for will one day be erased. Atheism has no meaning to it. I am not trying to be rude with that statement. It is just a fact. There is no inherent meaning in atheism. If this is all that there is, then everything is pointless. We are just carbon on a rock in an endless expanse of nothingness. You need God for meaning in life. Without God and an afterlife, nothing you do here matters. You could cure cancer or blow up the world, both would have the same end result: Heat death of the universe. Come to Jesus. It's cool. Do it.

          February 18, 2014 at 2:31 pm |
        • TruthPrevails1

          "Atheism has no meaning to it"

          You're not an Atheist, so don't claim to know what meaning our lives have.
          Life has far more meaning because no longer do we live in fear of your god and what it will do to us should we waver in the slightest. We fully comprehend that this is the only life we are 100% sure to have and so we are forced to face it head on. I do not believe that there is a heaven or a hell, so I place more value on relationships now, knowing that this is the only chance I have to make it right...no after-life to make amends in. So every action I take is based on being able to put the shoe on the other foot. ie; I wouldn't want a gun pulled on me, so I wouldn't do it to someone else.

          You seem to accept the warm fluffy stories in that book while dismissing the fact that is full of horror much worse than Stephen King could ever write.

          You're not convincing us.

          February 18, 2014 at 2:42 pm |
        • guidedans

          TruthPrevails1:

          This is my argument:
          Natural processes and their results are amoral, neither right nor wrong, good nor bad (e.g., waves crashing on the beach are not moral)
          In Atheism, Life is result of natural processes
          In Atheism, the actions of life are also natural processes
          Therefore, in atheism, life is amoral, neither right nor wrong, good nor bad.

          When I say that, to Atheists, life has no meaning, I am basing that statement on the above argument. That is not to say that atheists can't find fun things to do in life, or feel fulfilled. It is just saying that, in Atheism, life has no meaning or value to it. It is just another natural process.

          February 18, 2014 at 4:26 pm |
      • AtheistSteve

        " If you want to have a life with any semblance of meaning, you need God."

        If you need a God to give meaning and purpose to your life then you don't know what real meaning and purpose are.

        February 17, 2014 at 9:01 pm |
      • thepolyatheist

        On the contrary, since we do not believe in some magical super happy family reunion after death. We have everything to live for. If Christians are so excited to get to heaven, why do they spend so much time attacking us, instead of taking a short cut.

        February 17, 2014 at 10:34 pm |
        • guidedans

          Hey friend, I understand what you are saying, and I have thought about why you don't just off yourself to go straight to Heaven. The reason is that God created the Earth for a good reason. We are supposed to come to spiritual maturity here. There are lessons to be learned or He wouldn't have made it. It is our job to live good lives and learn the lessons God put us here to learn before we get to heaven. You can't do that if you off yourself.

          As for your argument that without an afterlife, this life has more meaning, I disagree with you. There are numerous reasons why, but I think the core one that keeps sticking out to me is this:

          In an atheistic world view, life came about through purely accidental, natural causes. If that is the case then, whether you are a rock or a human being, you have the same merit. Human beings are basically just very complex rocks that developed a bunch of culture and stuff to keep themselves occupied. You can't argue that it is important to live in that scenario. Even if you lived the best life possible, it would be as impressive as a rock that had the best rock-existence possible. It is all meaningless.

          I think that people on this thread are confusing fun or fulfillment with meaning. Fun and fulfillment are fine and regardless of whether there is a God, a person can feel those things. Meaning and purpose have to be in relation to something else. Without God, you and others are relating that meaning to worldly things, which, in the end, have no meaning.

          February 18, 2014 at 4:45 pm |
    • evolveddna

      thefinisher1...Satan is just another mythical character ..why would we think he or it was any more real than god. People murder no matter what they believe.. an atheist just would not say that god or satan made them do it.

      February 17, 2014 at 8:05 pm |
    • TruthPrevails1

      so Salero (thefinisher1/atheist hunter), you silly delusional multi-personality fool...if we don't believe in your imaginary friend god then we certainly don't believe in its imaginary enemy.

      February 17, 2014 at 8:31 pm |
    • ptmom02

      Since atheists believe in no deity, Satanists are not atheists.

      February 17, 2014 at 8:57 pm |
      • thefinisher1

        Neither do most Satanists. Do you even know what Satanism? Let me give you a hint: it has nothing to do with the worship of Satan.

        February 17, 2014 at 9:09 pm |
        • ptmom02

          Some are theistic. Some aren't. There aren't even that many worldwide so they are hardly a speck in humanity.

          February 17, 2014 at 9:20 pm |
        • igaftr

          " Do you even know what Satanism? Let me give you a hint: it has nothing to do with the worship of Satan"
          LOL...by definition it does...doesn't surprise me that you can't even find an actual definition, likely you made it up like "fundy atheist" hilarious

          February 18, 2014 at 4:20 pm |
    • Akira

      Tsk, tsk. What dies God say about bearing false witness? I believe it was number nine in His Top Ten List.

      February 17, 2014 at 8:57 pm |
    • inariokaimi

      Definition of Ahteism:
      1: archaic : ungodliness, wickedness
      2a : a disbelief in the existence of deity
      b : the doctrine that there is no deity
      So no Satanic worshipers are not atheist. Notice it said deity NOT Christian God. you might want to crack open a dictionary before you state such and obvious lie

      February 17, 2014 at 9:01 pm |
      • AtheistSteve

        What the heck is Ahteism?

        February 17, 2014 at 9:03 pm |
      • thefinisher1

        Some Satanists are teenagers rebelling against their parents and society. They think the tv version of Satanism is cool yet they don't understand what it's about. The core of Satanism is do what you please and you face no punishment for it in the afterlife. Another religion worships Satan BUT it's NOT Satanism. For many Satanists, they have no Deity to worship.

        February 17, 2014 at 9:14 pm |
        • AtheistSteve

          "do what you please " will get you ostracized by society if it rubs others the wrong way. Society requires cooperation or it decays into anarchy. Fear of punishment in some imagined afterlife isn't stopping people from behaving badly any more than imprisonment or a death penalty is stopping murderers from killing.

          February 17, 2014 at 9:36 pm |
        • Alias

          Actually the true Satanists believe in getting off your butt and doing things for yourself instead of waiting for god to answer your prayers. But I probably shouldn't interrupt the christians while showing their ignorance and telling lies.

          February 18, 2014 at 12:12 am |
    • jim4peace2012

      Atheists do not believe in a god or devil. Both do not exist.

      February 17, 2014 at 9:55 pm |
      • thefinisher1

        Atheism doesn't actually exist so.... 😜😃😄

        February 17, 2014 at 10:03 pm |
        • tallulah131

          If only trolls didn't exist.... The world would be a much better place.

          February 17, 2014 at 11:16 pm |
    • marsred

      Actually, there are different types of satanists just as there are different christian cults. some satanists have things in common christianity as they believe in satan and god. Atheists don't believe in either.

      February 17, 2014 at 10:36 pm |
    • joeblowski

      don't you think that believing in a malevolent diety makes you, by definition, a believer in dieties?

      February 17, 2014 at 10:41 pm |
      • joeblowski

        sorry. i ,meant this post to go elsewhere.

        February 17, 2014 at 10:43 pm |
    • Alias

      Talk all you want about killer atheists.
      It took Christians to develope nukes and use them.

      February 18, 2014 at 12:01 am |
      • hotairace

        Ummm, many if not most of the scientists were Jewish. . .

        February 18, 2014 at 12:19 am |
        • Alias

          Who was in charge of the project?
          Who decided to drop the second bomb knowing what the first one did?
          Yeah jesus! Go christ Go!

          February 18, 2014 at 12:24 am |
        • thesamyaza

          http://live.huffingtonpost.com/r/segment/51350a85fe3444322400013b

          February 18, 2014 at 3:09 pm |
        • Alias

          How could I have missed this?
          Those same jewish scientists tried to kreep anyone from ever making or using those bombs again.

          February 18, 2014 at 4:03 pm |
        • hotairace

          Yes, they did try to curtail the use of nuclear weapons but then other Jews acquired the technology for Israel.

          Anyway, given the variety of believers and non-believers (after all, Einstein was an atheist – OK, that's a deliberate wind up!), I don't think we can blame or exonerate any group, at least not along religious belief lines, for the use and proliferation of nuclear weapons.

          February 18, 2014 at 4:11 pm |
      • hotairace

        No question, christians were in charge.

        February 18, 2014 at 12:34 am |
    • QuestionsEverything

      Are you really this dense, or are you just pretending to be so? Can you name one atheist who killed people solely for believing in their god, instead of tyrant wanting to control the populace?

      February 18, 2014 at 10:05 am |
      • thefinisher1

        Stalin. He ordered his own men to kill religious people including children and women. So...atheism is pretty much an evil system when it's mixed with power.

        February 18, 2014 at 2:45 pm |
        • thesamyaza

          Stalin believed himself a god, he was just knocking out the competition

          February 18, 2014 at 3:02 pm |
        • QuestionsEverything

          Stalin was a tyrant looking to control the populace, and saw the Orthodox church as a roadblock to this goal.

          Using your logic, all religions (yes, even Christianity!) are an evil system when mixed with power.

          February 18, 2014 at 3:55 pm |
        • QuestionsEverything

          Plus, Stalin, like Mussolini, was more of an anti-theist than an atheist, Atheists do not generally hate the gods of the various religions, since it is difficult to hate that which you have no belief in.

          February 18, 2014 at 3:59 pm |
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