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March 3rd, 2014
06:01 PM ET

McCain: I was 'bris' close to Jewish conversion

(CNN) - At the American Israel Public Affairs Conference on Monday, Sen. John McCain of Arizona joked that, because of his close friendship with former Connecticut Sen. Joe Lieberman, he observed a lot of Judaism's Sabbath laws.

"I've had to go through all this all these years and I've gotten none of the benefits," McCain told the crowd. "So I'm announcing my conversion to Judaism."

He might've gone through with it, the senator said, but for one little thing...

- CNN Belief Blog

Filed under: Judaism

soundoff (411 Responses)
  1. Apple Bush

    Life, like a lucid dream allows only for the verification of one’s self.

    Nothing else can be verified.

    Pre and post “life” is reality.

    Beyond that only the nothing.

    March 4, 2014 at 3:11 pm |
    • derado8

      Lucid dreaming.

      Now that's some good stuff.

      The topic gets more interesting as you go.

      March 4, 2014 at 11:16 pm |
  2. Apple Bush

    The vestiges of pagan religion in Christian symbology are undeniable. Egyptian sun disks became the halos of Catholic saints. Pictograms of Isis nursing her miraculously conceived son Horus became the blueprint for our modern images of the Virgin Mary nursing Baby Jesus. And virtually all the elements of the Catholic ritual – the miter, the altar, the doxology, and communion, the act of "God-eating" – were taken directly from earlier pagan mystery religions.

    Nothing in Christianity is original. The pre-Christian God Mithras – called the Son of God and the Light of the World – was born on December 25, died, was buried in a rock tomb, and then resurrected in three days. (I am aware Christians don’t agree in the date Jesus was born or how and when to celebrate it.) By the way, December 25 is also the birthday of Osiris, Adonis, and Dionysus. The newborn Krishna was presented with gold, frankincense, and myrrh. Even Christianity's weekly holy day was stolen from the pagans.

    March 4, 2014 at 2:51 pm |
    • Vic

      If nothing is original in Christianity, then nothing is original in Judaism!

      March 4, 2014 at 2:57 pm |
      • Apple Bush

        Or any other religion that I am aware of.

        March 4, 2014 at 3:00 pm |
      • ausphor

        Vic
        Psst! Vic people make up stories, is that too hard of a concept for you to grasp? Ever been around a nighttime campfire or heard of Stephen King.

        March 4, 2014 at 3:24 pm |
    • Charles

      Your statements are incorrect.

      Watch this and get your facts straight.

      http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JFI6m6Icav4&feature=player_detailpage

      March 4, 2014 at 3:08 pm |
      • Dyslexic doG

        @Charles: you can post as much christian propaganda as you like, it can't change facts. Now I know that christians all say to themselves "what do I need with facts, I have the bible" but the only fact in this video is that a christian has used your bronze age fairy tale to, in his own mind, refute a great number of historic facts about how the christian religion is blatantly copied from other earlier religions.

        keep trying.

        March 4, 2014 at 3:26 pm |
      • joey3467

        Jesus fits the mythic hero archetype almost perfectly.

        Jesus as portrayed in the gospels corresponds to the worldwide Mythic Hero Archetype in which a divine hero's birth is supernaturally predicted and conceived, the infant hero escapes attempts to kill him, demonstrates his precocious wisdom already as a child, receives a divine commission, defeats demons, wins acclaim, is hailed as king, then betrayed, losing popular favor, executed, often on a hilltop, and is vindicated and taken up to heaven.

        These features are found world wide in heroic myths and epics. The more closely a supposed biography, say that of Hercules, Apollonius of Tyana, Padma Sambhava, of Gautama Buddha, corresponds to this plot formula, the more likely the historian is to conclude that a historical figure has been transfigured by myth.

        March 4, 2014 at 3:30 pm |
      • Doris

        Of course with over 40,000 sects, the opinion of the Christian narrator here is but one. What I find very telling regarding stories similar to the Gospels floating around in early Christianity is how they were addressed by early Christians apologists. Theologians often cite the early apologist Justin Martyr for his testimony and for his theologically-innovative suggestion that the "seeds of Christianity" actually predated Christ's incarnation. Martyr and several other early apologists refuted stories predating the Gospels by claiming that the Devil had performed plagiarism in reverse. This was their primary excuse. Why couldn't these minds come up with some better explanation than this concept of "diabolic mimicry"?

        March 4, 2014 at 3:38 pm |
        • Alias

          The only way to dispute these facts is to call them lies.
          You cannot reconcile a religion older that the flood with the bible.

          March 4, 2014 at 4:24 pm |
      • Charles

        That video will take you two hours to watch the detailed refutation of each of those other mythologies that have been erroneously compared. The presenter has done a thorough and scholarly research and review to debunk those mythological comparisons. People like you who have been raised in other religions will find this video brutally honest as it confutes your theories and must be difficult to watch your lies crumble.

        March 4, 2014 at 3:57 pm |
        • Doris

          I have seen it before. I'm not impressed. And, as I said, even the narrator's assumption on the Christian stance on even things like war are simply one interpretation out of many with divisions occurring before the Bible was compiled.

          March 4, 2014 at 4:06 pm |
        • joey3467

          I was raised to be a Christian, but I knew by the time I was in second grade that it didn't make any sense.

          March 4, 2014 at 4:14 pm |
        • AtheistSteve

          Good luck finding skeptical support for the movie Zeitgeist. It's mostly conspiracy theory hogwash. The movie tries too hard to pin down direct links without actual historical or scholastic basis. But some general parallels between ancient pagan beliefs and Christianity remain. The old phrase "there is nothing new under the sun" applies when many of the ideas in Christianity are compared to older religions. People stick with what works when it comes to trying to imagine immortality and powerful gods.

          March 4, 2014 at 4:48 pm |
        • Sean

          It probably takes a little more than 2 hours.

          In all a great video that is well made and narrated!

          March 4, 2014 at 5:31 pm |
      • Sean

        That video does a great job in trumping notions that Christianity is derived from other myths or mythological characters.
        Provides a fantastic in-depth analysis in invalidating those false notions!

        March 4, 2014 at 5:27 pm |
        • TruthPrevails1

          No Sean, it doesn't invalidate them. It is one take that is not based on much. There are numerous ways to show that christianity takes its roots from many other stories before it. Maybe try reading a little more before making such silly assumptions:
          http://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/biblianazar/esp_biblianazar_33.htm
          http://freethoughtnation.com/archaeologist-egyptian-religion-forms-the-roots-of-jewish-christian-islamic-religious-tree/
          There's a couple of more takes on it.

          March 4, 2014 at 6:20 pm |
    • derado8

      AB, check out Carl Jung's "Red Book"

      March 4, 2014 at 11:19 pm |
  3. Apple Bush

    Here is what we know about God:

    • There is no scientific evidence indicating that God exists.
    • There is no scientific evidence indicating that God answers prayers.
    • If we set up an unambiguous situation - like asking God to restore amputated limbs - God never answers prayers.
    • The Bible is clearly the work of primitive men, not of an all-knowing supernatural being.
    • Etc.

    In other words, God is imaginary. It is obvious.

    Yet, if you talk to actively practicing Christians, they ignore all of this evidence. They will tell you that God certainly does exist and that he is answering prayers for them every day. Christian bookstores and Christian magazines are filled with stories of answered prayers. Christians believe that God is reaching down out of heaven and answering billions of prayers on Earth for Christians.

    Therefore, the question arises: If there is all of this evidence showing that God is imaginary, and if there is certifiable, undeniable scientific evidence showing that God never answers prayers, then why do Christians insist that God is real and that God is answering prayers for them on a daily basis? What would prompt Christians to make these statements despite all the contrary evidence?

    March 4, 2014 at 2:42 pm |
    • AtheistSteve

      Selective bias. That's it. Oh...and a ton of gullibility.

      March 4, 2014 at 4:30 pm |
    • believerfred

      "if there is certifiable, undeniable scientific evidence showing that God never answers prayers"
      =>big IF there Apple Bush. But, IF there was such evidence It would be the first and only promise of the Bible that is broken. I have looked every time someone claims a new prayer study and they were all to date riddled with holes. I would say they were holier than accepted scientific studies.

      March 4, 2014 at 11:00 pm |
    • derado8

      AB you and I talked about this before to some extent.

      Denial is a powerful aspect of the mind. When I consider my own mortality it doesn't surprise me that people will want to have something to deal with theirs. You have the cultural factors as well. It is a rather strange experience to be surrounded by people who all believe something is true and to have your own experience be so drastically different from theirs. So peer involvement may come into it.

      There are other things that people perceive religiously (Maybe not in Christianity but in others) like sleep paralysis, hypnogogic hallucinations, I've mentioned temporal lobe epilepsy before.

      I'd been wondering about NDE's for a while and Buckyball showed me the study on rats. So basically dimethyl triptamine expands into your brain while you are dying accompanying an electrical surge.

      When someone does not know why these things happen, those experiences seem to be coming from outside of the mind instead of inside of the mind.

      March 4, 2014 at 11:13 pm |
  4. Apple Bush

    If the bible were written today…well it would not get written today. There is too much to do. When the bible was written, there was nothing to do. That is the only reason it was written. Boredom.

    The bible is a collection of bored scribes with nothing else to do jumping on the bandwagon and copying/writing the books of the bible.

    Not a solid footing for taking the stories in the bible literally. These are dusty old books from another age. It just doesn’t resonate anymore. We know too much and there is too much more to learn.

    March 4, 2014 at 2:34 pm |
    • AtheistSteve

      But if...if the Bible were written today and nothing else like it existed, then it would never get published. The author/s would be laughed at as they were shown the door.

      March 4, 2014 at 2:38 pm |
      • Apple Bush

        Even if it used contemporary language you are right, no one would ever publish it. Whoever drew the short straw would have to self publish the book and then find a way to distribute. I don't see that happening.

        So therefore I don't believe it is a coincidence when the books were written. That was the right mix of motivation, ignorance, superstition and boredom to allow it to happen.

        Why so many people believe these stories now is troubling to me.

        March 4, 2014 at 2:47 pm |
  5. Austin

    Igaftr. Promises from God are fulfilled from Abraham to AARON. 6 generations if faith . And promise.

    We stand in peace by supernatural faith , with eyes that see through the test into eternal glory.

    BECAUSE HE
    IS RISEN.

    WE

    March 4, 2014 at 1:11 pm |
    • igaftr

      no.
      Promises MEN made as if they spoke for god. That is nothing more than a story in a book.

      March 4, 2014 at 1:18 pm |
      • Austin

        Who are you rejecting?

        March 4, 2014 at 1:23 pm |
        • AtheistSteve

          That's easy. Anyone who claims to speak for God. Anyone who claims to know what God wants. It doesn't matter if it's someone now or someone from the distant past. And that includes the preacher Jesus. The only one that merits paying attention to would be God himself and he remains, as always, utterly silent, invisible and undetectable. That more than anything is why I don't believe God exists.

          March 4, 2014 at 1:31 pm |
        • ausphor

          Austin
          Accepting a particular belief requires that you have obtained some information on the belief system, many have never heard of your trinity of god. Rejecting and not accepting are different concepts. I take it that the FBI have not investigated you yet, pity.

          March 4, 2014 at 2:11 pm |
        • believerfred

          Atheist Steve
          Jesus by example walked in the way of God. How could you say he is the least likely to know God?

          March 4, 2014 at 2:11 pm |
        • AtheistSteve

          fred.
          I never said he was the least likely, just one of the many who claimed to speak for God. Why can't God speak for himself? Because he's not real. Throughout history all the gods of man have been described by man. It has never been other than that. I say that's not good enough. If God was truly real he could have done something like what Carl Sagan wrote in his book Contact. Place binary code with his intended word deep into the number Pi. Now that would be convincing since it would be part of the make up of the universe. But a bunch of scared humans concocting stories...not so much.

          March 4, 2014 at 2:22 pm |
        • igaftr

          austin
          "Who are you rejecting?"

          What/who are you talking about?

          March 4, 2014 at 2:24 pm |
        • believerfred

          Atheist Steve
          Pi doesn't contain the square root of 2 so it cannot contain everything. sorry

          March 4, 2014 at 3:17 pm |
        • Dyslexic doG

          Jesus was just David Koresh 2000 years earlier. A sociopathic conman with a good story and lots of charisma. All this foolishness, without a shred of proof, has sprung up from there.

          utter, mind numbing nonsense.

          March 4, 2014 at 3:29 pm |
        • believerfred

          AthestSteve
          "Why can't God speak for himself? Because he's not real"
          =>in the first century 1 out of 350,000 believed in Jesus and today that number is 1 in 7. I think you just want him to speak some other way. Jesus said my sheep hear my voice..........I hear it as do millions. Prayer is communication with God. There is no question God speaks
          =>When you tire of listening to Truthprevails she can keep communicating but you can not hear. The problem is on your end.
          =>God has spoken and in the beginning was the word

          March 4, 2014 at 3:34 pm |
        • AtheistSteve

          fred
          What? What does the square root of 2 have to do with it? You really should try to understand a post before you reply. If you haven't read Sagans' book then you missed the reference.
          Pi is the relationship between a circles circumference and its radius. If a message was contained deep in the non-repeating decimal of Pi then it would have had to have been placed there, on purpose, when the universe was created.

          March 4, 2014 at 3:35 pm |
        • TruthPrevails1

          Careful everyone (even I should know better) don't taunt the crazy man (aka Austin)...he'll beat you down with curses and names in the name of being a "good" little sheeple err I mean christard...poor child has trouble telling the difference between fantasy and reality. I'm wondering how serious the FBI took him when he called to report his dream about the president being killed.

          March 4, 2014 at 3:35 pm |
        • AtheistSteve

          sorry fred
          Voices in your head don't count. In fact that's even more evidence against what you claim. If God can't speak externally then it's still just the word of men.

          March 4, 2014 at 3:37 pm |
        • believerfred

          AtheistSteve
          Sorry, I cannot help myself, I have to do it...yes here comes John:
          In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. The same was in the beginning with God. All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made. In him was life; and the life was the light of men. And the light shineth in darkness; and the darkness comprehended it not. There was a man sent from God, whose name was John. The same came for a witness, to bear witness of the Light, that all men through him might believe. He was not that Light, but was sent to bear witness of that Light. That was the true Light, which lighteth every man that cometh into the world. He was in the world, and the world was made by him, and the world knew him not. He came unto his own, and his own received him not. But as many as received him, to them gave he power to become the sons of God, even to them that believe on his name: Which were born, not of blood, nor of the will of the flesh, nor of the will of man, but of God.

          And the WORD was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth.

          March 4, 2014 at 3:40 pm |
        • Doris

          Oh no, did someone pop fred's circuit-breaker?

          March 4, 2014 at 3:47 pm |
        • TruthPrevails1

          "When you tire of listening to Truthprevails"

          Wow fred, even Steve wouldn't throw a dig in about your partner. Do they not teach dignity in your religion? Or does it bother you that Steve and I probably agree with each other. I'm not the reason he is non-believer, in fact I didn't admit to non-belief until after I met him and came to realize that his reasons for not believing fell in line with what I was thinking but couldn't admit.

          March 4, 2014 at 3:51 pm |
        • believerfred

          AtheistSteve
          I understood your reference to Pi. Yet, Pi cannot contain the square root of 2 (mathematical fact) not even in binary. Thus, Pi cannot contain everything i.e. it is not infinitive.

          March 4, 2014 at 3:51 pm |
        • ausphor

          fredie
          As I said to Vic above this post, people make up stories. Even the most primitive cultures have made up stories, just for the hell of it, your believing in primitive stories is really quite silly, pathetic!

          March 4, 2014 at 3:53 pm |
        • AtheistSteve

          Yeah well John made it all up too. That's it. Nothing written by anyone has any credibility when it claims to speak for God.
          Try again.

          March 4, 2014 at 3:53 pm |
        • AtheistSteve

          "I understood your reference to Pi. Yet, Pi cannot contain the square root of 2 (mathematical fact) not even in binary. Thus, Pi cannot contain everything i.e. it is not infinitive."

          Not very bright are you. Where did I say Pi contained everything. I said "if" it contained a hidden message from God then THAT would be evidence FOR God.

          March 4, 2014 at 3:56 pm |
        • believerfred

          TruthPrevails1
          Well then I must give your partner two thumbs up because I unintentionally tune out stuff all the time. It was not a slam against you just an illustration of selective listening. It is biological as without it we would go nuts.

          March 4, 2014 at 3:59 pm |
        • Doc Vestibule

          If you calculate PI to the 9202591th position, you'll find Jenny's phone number.

          March 4, 2014 at 4:00 pm |
        • ausphor

          Doc
          Are we supposed to go through hundreds of area codes to find Jenny? Probably just 416 0r 905, EH!

          March 4, 2014 at 4:04 pm |
        • believerfred

          AtheistSteve
          " Nothing written by anyone has any credibility when it claims to speak for God."
          =>So much for all the good press CNN has been giving the Pope.
          =>We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights – Ouch time to scratch the Declaration of Independence.

          We, therefore, the Representatives of the united States of America, in General Congress, Assembled, appealing to the Supreme Judge of the world for the rectitude of our intentions=> Yeiks signed unanimously.
          =>One nation Under God indivisible.....
          =>don't look at the money in your wallet as it is written in GOD we trust.

          March 4, 2014 at 4:08 pm |
        • AtheistSteve

          fred

          Nice try. Don't confuse mere references TO God as equal to writings that claim to KNOW the mind of God. Religious texts alone have that criteria.

          March 4, 2014 at 4:14 pm |
        • believerfred

          AtheistSteve
          6939937510 5820974944 5923078164 0628620899
          8628034825 3421170679 8214808651 3282306647
          0938446095 5058223172 5359408128 4811174502
          One moment channeling Nostradamus .......in binary the above gives the location of Noah's Ark.

          March 4, 2014 at 4:16 pm |
        • ausphor

          fredie
          It is always about what you leave out. Treaty of Tripoli...."The government of the USA, is not in any sense, founded on the Christian religion,..." The same deception that makes you believe in an ancient book allows you to ignore the history and science that belies your views. The apologists, a house of lies.

          March 4, 2014 at 4:18 pm |
        • AtheistSteve

          We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are equal, that they are endowed with certain unalienable Rights.

          See...it still works just fine without the crazy religious mumbo-jumbo.

          March 4, 2014 at 4:18 pm |
        • AtheistSteve

          6939937510 5820974944 5923078164 0628620899
          8628034825 3421170679 8214808651 3282306647
          0938446095 5058223172 5359408128 4811174502
          One moment channeling Nostradamus .......in binary the above gives the location of Noah's Ark.

          Better hurry and dig it up before someone else gets to it freddy. BTW...you do know that binary is just ones and zeros right?

          March 4, 2014 at 4:22 pm |
        • In Santa We Trust

          fred, Binary? If it's that well-known, tell us or go make a name for yourself.

          March 4, 2014 at 4:22 pm |
        • believerfred

          AtheistSteve
          Since the beginning of recorded history would there be any difference in the factual reality (our physical earth only) of what transpired if the written word of God had credibility or not?
          When Israel scared the dickens out of other nations upon hearing of their God or Moses sent his people to attack the Moabites in the Name of God it was not the credibility of the writer or the one speaking to God it was belief. Hebrews calls it faith and without faith you cannot please God and typically cannot hear the voice of God (not necessarily audible)

          March 4, 2014 at 4:25 pm |
        • joey3467

          Hopefully we fix our money and the Pledge.

          March 4, 2014 at 4:29 pm |
        • believerfred

          AtheistSteve
          Binary it is yes or no. Everyone has answered the question in their hearts and says yes or no to God. I think God got his message out to everyone. Can you imagine or do you know of anyone who has not answered that question?
          That is the power of Gods way

          March 4, 2014 at 4:33 pm |
        • In Santa We Trust

          fred, If you mean binary as yes/no what did you mean by this?
          "6939937510 5820974944 5923078164 0628620899
          8628034825 3421170679 8214808651 3282306647
          0938446095 5058223172 5359408128 4811174502
          One moment channeling Nostradamus .......in binary the above gives the location of Noah's Ark."

          March 4, 2014 at 4:38 pm |
        • believerfred

          AtheistSteve
          If God is silent then why must you constantly address your belief or rejection of God. Yes I believe, no I don't believe.
          You said in the opening:
          " The only one that merits paying attention to would be God himself and he remains, as always, utterly silent, invisible and undetectable. That more than anything is why I don't believe God exists."
          =>You have heard the word, seen the affect on man and understand 99% of what sustains our existence is undetectable except through its effect on that which is detectible. Looks like your reasons not to believe are unsupported by the facts known to you.

          March 4, 2014 at 4:46 pm |
        • ausphor

          fredie, fredie, fredie
          So many gods, you just believe in one less than I do. Whatever turns you on, just back off the Christian nation BS, that just p!sses people off, Christian superiority.

          March 4, 2014 at 4:56 pm |
        • ausphor

          oops in MORE than I do

          March 4, 2014 at 5:00 pm |
        • AtheistSteve

          "=>You have heard the word, seen the affect on man and understand 99% of what sustains our existence is undetectable except through its effect on that which is detectible."

          The only word I've heard comes from men, not God.
          The only affect has been hysteria and superstition.
          And I can't even guess what you meant by the rest. What sustains our existence is the physical matter that makes up the Earth and the sun that energizes it. Most all of which is directly detectable.

          March 4, 2014 at 5:11 pm |
        • believerfred

          In Santa We trust
          It is just the never ending sequence of digits after 3 (trinity) in Pi following the first 40 (because it rained for 40 days and 40 nights) and put them in blocks of 40 each. Any algorithm looking for the location of the Ark in Pi would begin with the sequence of 3 or 7 and 40.

          March 4, 2014 at 5:13 pm |
        • ausphor

          fredie
          3, 7, 40 something Umberto Eco would love, lordy, lordy.

          March 4, 2014 at 5:23 pm |
        • believerfred

          AtheistSteve
          96%-99% (depending on boundary assumption) of the universe is filled with invisible (undetectable) matter. We infer presence based on gravitational effect.
          You accept science when it comes to understanding the invisible so why can't you accept the same method to determine the existence of God. Can't you infer Gods presence by Gods effect on mankind? The "God effect" happens regardless of credibility of the word.

          March 4, 2014 at 5:29 pm |
        • believerfred

          ausphor
          I just pulled the first biblical numbers off the top of my head. People have spent their lives combing through certain important numbers in the Bible.
          The number 7 is proof that the things of God transcend time. It was God who created in 6 days and rested on the 7th. Since the day of Adam and Eve we have the 7 day week passed down by generations of oral tradition.

          March 4, 2014 at 5:49 pm |
        • AtheistSteve

          The universe or at the very least anything outside Earths atmosphere is utterly hostile to our existence but I'll let that one pass.
          Cosmology predicts 70% is dark energy and 25% is dark matter with normal matter and energy making up the remaining 5% approx.
          What you didn't ask or just assumed was how much I believe in Big Bang cosmology and the structure of the universe. I give it tentative approval based on my limited understanding. But then again even the most knowledgeable scientists haven't pinned down what time actually is, or gravity for that matter.
          But just for kicks maybe you can explain it. After all you believe your God created it all, right? A statement that goes beyond what I believe. When it comes to answers about the origin of the universe the only thing I can honestly say is "I don't know".
          But you apparently DO know so what exactly is this missing 95%? Surely God has supplied the answer to that as well. Or answer why has your God hidden 95% of his glorious creation, something that science alone has revealed, from you?
          Better yet what happens to your haughty stance when/if science DOES discover the true nature of dark energy and dark matter. If scientists finally pin down what actually makes up the entire universe(with no help from your God) will you simply retreat to that last bastion of hope at before T=0? The gaps where your God may hide just keeps getting smaller and smaller. As does the likelihood of his existence.

          March 4, 2014 at 6:20 pm |
        • believerfred

          AtheistSteve
          God of the gaps never has appealed to me. Gods majesty in so many areas overshadows anything science has discovered. The more advancement we make in science the greater the unknown and the greater is awareness of the unknowable. Take just dark matter as one where the power and scope of the unknown was beyond imagination. It is the atheist that is running to strange speculations such as multiverse to account for impossibility of life as we know it. Hawking makes no bones about it an agrees with the consensus that something is wrong with our base assumptions because the numbers do not work given findings in fine tuning.
          So we agree that science cannot and does not explain how our very existence is possible yet alone how it came about. Science has searched for origin of life and origin of our very existence in time and space and come up empty handed. That is proof that origin and existence are not the result of known naturalistic laws subject to validation.
          We don't know but we will find out is also not proven because we still don't know, never have known but have faith that someday we will find out. Science has simply validated that the common naturalistic foundation of most atheists is flawed and impossible.
          Atheist only attack is to say God is not provable either by the same science.........what? You use a known flawed method that acknowledges it does not work to measure and explain what science knows cannot be measured and explained.
          Yieks.

          March 4, 2014 at 6:54 pm |
        • believerfred

          AtheistSteve
          I can understand agnostic Steve but not AtheistSteve because science does not know and cannot answer questions concerning origin of life, purpose of life, origin of our universe or purpose of existence. The answer I don't know leaves open many possibilities. I understand current scientific consensus enough to see where current knowledge supported by evidence stops and where scientism (philosophical science) begins.
          The Bible answers the question of origin as from God and onto God. In contrast "I Don't Know" is nonsense because at some level you do know. At some level you are justifying your very behavior and beliefs. You believe everything that is Steve, the essence of your being and accumulation of presence evolved by accident. In short by accident a rock was turned into Steve. This in your mind is logical and rational. This in your mind is superior to an eternal presence bringing mankind into existence for purpose onto eternal presence itself. Except for detail of process (unknown in either belief) it is purpose which differentiates our belief. There is no rational or logical way accidental existence without purpose can be explained. How does accidental purpose make sense?

          March 4, 2014 at 8:41 pm |
        • AtheistSteve

          You make the error of false equivocation. Science has found the "unknowns" of dark matter and dark energy by inference of their effects. Dark matter in the gravity needed to explain the speed of galactic rotation and dark energy to account for the accelerating expansion of the universe. Physical measurements require the presence of these things to balance the equations.
          Saying that God is evident by the presence of vast numbers believers doesn't follow the same requirements. There is no physical evidence that indicates the presence of God. Rather all you have is only the psychology of belief. This video explains how human evolutionary mental adaptations for survival can also make us prone to believe in deities.

          http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1iMmvu9eMrg

          March 4, 2014 at 8:56 pm |
        • believerfred

          AtheistSteve
          Speculation appears all over the place to account for the missing mass of the universe. Physics assumes to date that we understand certain laws but the problem is that either the laws are wrong or our understanding of how they actually work is wrong. Bottom line is that our understanding no longer agrees with observation regarding dark energy and dark matter. Something is missing and it is big.
          If we were to suddenly remove all notion of God in or existence something big would be missing as well.

          March 4, 2014 at 9:31 pm |
  6. Austin

    Peace advocates are better than war advocates.

    How has afghanastan and iraq turned out ?

    Cap

    March 4, 2014 at 12:54 pm |
    • igaftr

      Sometimes peace leads to war, such as the Armistace agreement ending WWI...that would only lead to war, and it did.
      Sometimes "peace advocates" are nothing of the kind, such as those pushing religious agenda's disguised as peaceful.
      Sometmes war leads to peace, as the history of war shows.

      For true peace, all people must be content...which will never happen

      March 4, 2014 at 1:01 pm |
      • Austin

        It will happen.

        And unbelievers arent commanded to be peacemakers. Believers are
        .

        March 4, 2014 at 1:06 pm |
        • AtheistSteve

          Yeah and we can all see how well that has turned out. A world brimming over with believers and war.

          March 4, 2014 at 2:02 pm |
        • TruthPrevails1

          Oh but Steve, Austin's special....he has the gift from his imaginary friends aka switching out the addiction of alcohol for the addiction religion.
          (and Austin before you insult me, be well aware that Steve is my husband)

          March 4, 2014 at 3:14 pm |
  7. neverbeenhappieratheist

    If God made man in his image, and man was created perfect just the way God wanted us, why did he order his faithful servants to cut the tip of their richards off? Was this some sort of packaging that needed removing before the product is useable?

    March 4, 2014 at 12:50 pm |
    • doobzz

      God just like to cut people, especially babies. He's sadistic like that.

      March 4, 2014 at 12:55 pm |
    • Austin

      Is your heart circ.umcised or is it wretched?

      March 4, 2014 at 1:04 pm |
      • neverbeenhappieratheist

        It's open and loves you even if you think your talking to invisible beings in your head...

        March 4, 2014 at 1:08 pm |
        • Austin

          You crafty trick.

          You dont love anyone by dragging them with you to seperation from salvation.

          You mock Emmanuel within me.

          March 4, 2014 at 1:16 pm |
        • Austin

          God is bigger and smarter and more capable than mockers.

          March 4, 2014 at 1:19 pm |
        • Doris

          First you would have to prove your God, Austin. Then you' would have to conduct some kind of poll to compare his musical talents to the Mockers.

          http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Mockers

          March 4, 2014 at 1:56 pm |
        • otoh2

          Austin,

          You mock realism.

          (I'd say that you mock reality, but you might think that I mean the commenter @Reality)

          March 4, 2014 at 2:00 pm |
        • neverbeenhappieratheist

          Austin mocks sanity. That and inadvertantly mocking religion.

          March 4, 2014 at 2:17 pm |
        • Akira

          Better watch out. Bears are ready to pounce on mockers. Beware.

          March 4, 2014 at 2:57 pm |
        • TruthPrevails1

          On dear Austin, they haven't been around with your meds yet today-have they?
          Silly child, mocking fictional characters isn't harming them.

          March 4, 2014 at 3:19 pm |
        • TruthPrevails1

          oh dear not on dear

          March 4, 2014 at 3:20 pm |
    • Akira

      I wonder why God, who made man perfect in His image, would require that. It's been awhile since I read the Pentateuch; was this Adam's additional punishment? A allegorical 'pound of flesh?'

      March 4, 2014 at 2:34 pm |
  8. Austin

    Huckabee and mccain are anti christ psychopathic blood thirsty wolves.

    March 4, 2014 at 12:35 pm |
    • igaftr

      Apparently you haven't heard of the ninth commandment.

      March 4, 2014 at 12:37 pm |
      • Austin

        Satan is the one who dominates the world with war.

        Igaftr can you paste the first three commandmemts for us and show your allegiance to them?

        March 4, 2014 at 12:59 pm |
        • igaftr

          austin
          I have no need to adhere to the man made commandments from your bible. Many are silly.

          1: thou shall have no other gods.
          Easy one, since I don't believe in ANY gods, I have no gods.

          2: No graven images or likenesses. Also an easy one. How do I have a picture of god if there aren't any?
          All pictures are what people THINK that theior god looks like, but no one is accurate.

          3: don't take the lords name in vain.
          Also not possible since there are no "lords"

          Seems the men who wrote your instruction manual gave your god on heck of an ego.

          You on the other hand have born false witness unless you can PROVE what you say.

          By all means sinner, show how they are anti christs...You have your work cut out for you.

          March 4, 2014 at 1:34 pm |
    • Akira

      Austin,

      Anti-Christ can mean not only "against" and "opposite of", but also "instead of" Christ.
      Anyone who belongs to any religion other than Christianity can loosely be termed anti-Christ. That's absurd, and you know it.

      You are off base with these two men; further, you throw around that term so often to label those you disagree with that it has lost any impact.

      I submit that Huckabee is every bit as fervent a believer as you. Does that make you another anti-Christ?

      March 4, 2014 at 2:48 pm |
  9. Dyslexic doG

    what? No Pope stories to fill the silence?

    ah well. c'est la vie.

    March 4, 2014 at 10:48 am |
    • igaftr

      Great song by ELP. (C'est la vie)

      March 4, 2014 at 10:57 am |
      • Doris

        Live version August 1977 at Montreal's Olympic Stadium: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pxwvWGPl34A

        And then one of my favorites:

        http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GJ9FnWmFxAE

        March 4, 2014 at 11:47 am |
        • igaftr

          "From the beginning" is always a crowd pleaser when I play it. They get blown away by "The Sage"

          March 4, 2014 at 12:25 pm |
        • Doris

          Oh yes – "The Sage", from the album "Pictures at an Exhibition".

          March 4, 2014 at 12:37 pm |
    • doobzz

      Well, the pope did drop the F bomb in his weekly Vatican address. I'm surprised it didn't get as much coverage as when he hugged a deformed man.

      March 4, 2014 at 12:39 pm |
      • neverbeenhappieratheist

        what? did he tell Catholics religion was "Free" or something?

        March 4, 2014 at 12:44 pm |
        • doobzz

          He was speaking in Italian and used "cazzo" (fuck) instead of "caso" (example).

          His native language is Spanish, so I guess it's a common mistake, but still f-ing funny.

          March 4, 2014 at 12:49 pm |
        • neverbeenhappieratheist

          Maybe he was trying to ask for more queso...

          March 4, 2014 at 1:09 pm |
        • doobzz

          LMAO. Well, those communion wafers ARE a little dry.

          March 4, 2014 at 1:27 pm |
        • neverbeenhappieratheist

          If the wafer represents his body, and the wine represents his blood, what does the queso represent? It would at least explain the image of christ of that grilled cheese... he was seeping through the bread like the stain on the shround of Turin...

          March 4, 2014 at 2:22 pm |
        • neverbeenhappieratheist

          There are more than a few Christians who consider him "The Big Cheese"...

          March 4, 2014 at 2:23 pm |
  10. Alias

    This was a joke to a specific audience.
    I'm amused this blog treats it like a comentary about religion.

    March 4, 2014 at 10:13 am |
  11. Reality

    McCain, past his prime and needs to retire. Once he served his country well, now he simply mouths the Republican seeds of discontent with everything associated with Obama. For example, instead of criticizing the administration's response to Putin's move into the Crimea, McCain should have supported the response showing a united front not some warmongering idiocy.

    And what really galls all global citizens is Putin's winter Olympic hype of peace and tranquility!! Tis surprising that the talking heads of the Democrats and Republicans have not mentioned this at all.

    March 4, 2014 at 7:28 am |
    • Rynomite

      On the contrary, McCain is one of the few reasonable Republicans.

      March 4, 2014 at 9:58 am |
      • the0g0to0the0t

        If true – that would be a truly sad.

        March 4, 2014 at 10:28 am |
        • Alias

          IMO – it is true and very sad.

          March 4, 2014 at 10:43 am |
    • Austin

      You think clinton and obama are not on the same team as the republicans?

      They are good at what they do to their subjects.

      March 4, 2014 at 12:33 pm |
      • neverbeenhappieratheist

        Do you also wear a tin foil hat and jump in fear everytime you see your shadow?

        March 4, 2014 at 12:47 pm |
      • Akira

        Politicians are generally a lot alike.

        That you don't know the difference between "subjects" and "consti.tuents" makes me wonder if you wouldn't be happier living in a country with almost no government...such as Somalia.

        Let go of the hatred for our government, Austin. You're drinking potable water and breathing reasonably clean air and eating relatively safe food because of government. Can you say the same for your idyllic Somalia?

        March 4, 2014 at 2:55 pm |
  12. bootyfunk

    bris, the jewish celebration of cutting off a piece of human flesh from an infant with no say in the matter. circu.mcision is mutilation. jews and christians like to permanently mark and scar male children so they can be lifetime cult members. we don't need to circu.mcize. there is no good medical reason to cut off skin from around the pe.nis. hopefully, genital mutilation will be illegal in this country in the near future.

    March 3, 2014 at 11:29 pm |
    • derado8

      You are right of course. That part is definitely messed up.

      March 4, 2014 at 6:09 pm |
  13. Vic

    Senator McCain is a good maverick.

    March 3, 2014 at 9:48 pm |
    • His Panic

      mmm... really!! Let's see if what you are saying matches the definition given by the Merriam-Webster's Collegiate Dictionary especially the second. Watch this!!!

      Main Entry:1mav£er£ick
      Pronunciation:*mav-rik, *ma-v*-
      Function:noun
      Etymology:Samuel A. Maverick *1870 American pioneer who did not brand his calves
      Date:1867

      1 : an unbranded range animal; especially : a motherless calf
      2 : an independent individual who does not go along with a group or party

      March 3, 2014 at 10:10 pm |
      • Vic

        It's all about independent thought for a good cause.

        Senator John McCain called himself a maverick during the 2008 Presidential Elections.

        March 3, 2014 at 10:19 pm |
        • In Santa We Trust

          Senator John McCain branded himself a maverick during the 2008 Presidential Elections.

          March 3, 2014 at 10:24 pm |
        • Akira

          He certainly chose a maverick for a running mate.

          March 3, 2014 at 10:43 pm |
        • Vic

          Sure did.

          Tina Fay was a hell of a running mate, she could see Russia from her house in Alaska—I love Alaska—...oh, wait...oops...I mean...Sarah Palin...LOL!

          March 4, 2014 at 7:03 am |
        • His Panic

          I'm ok and happy with the fact that by definition, he is NOT a real "maverick".

          Is just a game of words for him, mere political rhetoric on which he has based his Pseudo-political career. He defined himself as such but he really is NOT in the best sense of the word. Neither is he a "hero" as he likes to be called so much. He is lucky to be alive and ought to thank the people in Nam who rescue him from drowning and did not killed him on the spot. Which they could have done very easily and justifiably. I have never heard him saying that, but rather has made a political "career" of portraying them as the enemy.

          Millions of others suffered the same, more and worst but did not make it a Political punch line. I'm just glad he did not make it past the Senate. Only in AZ could he made such a "career" in politics. I don't think he is funny, he is a senile old man that need to retire instead of continuing clowning around, but again ONLY in AZ.

          March 4, 2014 at 1:19 pm |
    • I'm not a GOPer, nor do I play one on TV

      If he wasn't the son of an Admiral and the grandson of an Admiral he would have been washed out long before he was shot down.

      He was the epitome of the 'screw up' and I suspect the only reason he wasn't busted out of the Navy was his family connections.

      Go read how many Naval aircraft he crashed or damage he caused while flying and why – particularly the incident in Spain. (It's only one of at least three very questionable incidents, and I'm not counting the Forrestal fire or being shot down over Hanoi). He is at least honest about them and described them in his book.

      March 4, 2014 at 3:25 am |
      • Vic

        Point taken.

        The late Senator Ted Kennedy was involved in a drunk driving vehicular manslaughter back in the days. The Kennedys are very high profile, as everybody knows.

        Humans are very flawed.

        March 4, 2014 at 7:00 am |
  14. His Panic

    To me at least, sounds more like if he was having an attack of or suffering anxiety.

    Having to follow all of those laws, regulations and rules of the Old Covenant, that God made with Israel and with NO OTHER NATION can drive the gentiles and heathen to Panic.

    Anxiety can and has lead many people to Panic, even Mass hysteria, brawls, stampedes and riots. However those who really and for real Trust in God and in Jesus Christ God's Only Son WILL NOT Panic. Therefore will not have any need to "convert to judaism.

    I think the respected Senator Mr. McCain is clearly showing signs of stress and anxiety. It will be a good idea for him at this point in time and because of his age, to retire to the State of AZ before he falls into a State of Panic.

    March 3, 2014 at 9:25 pm |
    • Vic

      Senator John McCain was a POW in Hanoi, Vietnam during the Vietnam War, in which he suffered physical trauma.

      Also, he was just cracking a joke in his speech to the AIPAC.

      March 3, 2014 at 9:41 pm |
      • the0g0to0the0t

        Regardless, his actions during the election and choice of a running mate have effectively ruined his credibility with many.

        March 4, 2014 at 3:35 pm |
    • igaftr

      His Panic
      When you go dancing, is it Hispanic at the disco?

      March 4, 2014 at 11:30 am |
      • His Panic

        You clearly play wind instruments!! 😉

        March 4, 2014 at 1:33 pm |
    • Doris

      Gee in some of the Latin countries, some Christians are still driven to worship and angel of death and sacrifice people to it. Talk about panic! My my....

      March 4, 2014 at 11:54 am |
      • Doris

        typo correction: worship an angel of death

        March 4, 2014 at 11:56 am |
        • His Panic

          You know you are just like a bimbo right? Ignorance is the base of your stupid prejudice, but that clearly fits you well.

          March 4, 2014 at 1:24 pm |
        • Doris

          [ global post- 3/31/12: "Authorities in the northern Mexican state of Sonora have arrested eight people accused of killing two 10-year-old boys and one 55-year-old woman as human sacrifices for Santa Muerte — the saint of death, reported CNN. The victims were killed in order to offer their blood at an altar to the saint, according to state prosecutors spokesman José Larrinaga. The accused were asking Santa Muerte, who is generally seen as a skeleton dressed in a long robe and carrying a scythe, for protection." ]

          ---
          Wow – sounds like a Christian state of panic to me.
          ---

          [ NBC News – 4/26/13: "SANTIAGO, Chile - Chilean police on Thursday arrested four people accused of burning a baby alive in a ritual because the leader of the sect believed that the end of the world was near and that the child was the Antichrist.

          The 3-day-old baby was taken to a hill in the town of Colliguay near the Chilean port of Valparaiso on Nov. 21 and was thrown into a bonfire. The baby's mother, 25-year-old Natalia Guerra, had allegedly approved the sacrifice and was among those arrested.

          "The baby was naked. They strapped tape around her mouth to keep her from screaming. Then they placed her on a board. After calling on the spirits they threw her on the bonfire alive," said Miguel Ampuero, of the Police investigative Unit, Chile's equivalent of the FBI.

          Authorities said the 12-member sect was formed in 2005 and was led by Ramon Gustavo Castillo Gaete, 36, who remains at large.

          "Everyone in this sect was a professional," Ampuero said. "We have someone who was a veterinarian and who worked as a flight attendant, we have a filmmaker, a draftsman. Everyone has a university degree. " ]

          ---
          Wow – sounds like a Christian state of panic to me. My goodness....
          ---

          March 4, 2014 at 1:40 pm |
      • igaftr

        I think you have that wrong. They worship Angela Death...you can find her on facebook....cute, sure, but nothing to worship.

        March 4, 2014 at 12:02 pm |
        • Doris

          http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jb5ACEhrsJw

          March 4, 2014 at 12:17 pm |
      • neverbeenhappieratheist

        All bow before the Angle of Death! For they call its name Obtuse!!

        March 4, 2014 at 1:22 pm |
  15. Blessed are the Cheesemakers

    1 Samuel 18:25-27 – "Saul replied, "Say to David, 'The king wants no other price for the bride than a hundred Philistine foreskins, to take revenge on his enemies.' " Saul's plan was to have David fall by the hands of the Philistines. When the attendants told David these things, he was pleased to become the king's son-in-law. So before the allotted time elapsed, David and his men went out and killed two hundred Philistines. He brought their foreskins and presented the full number to the king so that he might become the king's son-in-law. Then Saul gave him his daughter Michal in marriage."

    March 3, 2014 at 8:58 pm |
    • derado8

      I hate to ask but did it say what they did with them all?

      March 3, 2014 at 9:17 pm |
      • Blessed are the Cheesemakers

        Ohhhh...good question.....

        I am going to guess he made a scarf...

        March 3, 2014 at 9:21 pm |
        • derado8

          I could guess a lot of things but they'd all be too foul for CNN

          March 3, 2014 at 9:29 pm |
        • bootyfunk

          foreskins make great party balloons!

          March 3, 2014 at 11:30 pm |
        • Alias

          They made wallets, but if you stroke them they fold out into purses.

          March 4, 2014 at 10:46 am |
        • derado8

          Alias and Booty you two won the internet! Lol xD

          March 4, 2014 at 5:59 pm |
      • neverbeenhappieratheist

        My question would be, "Was taking the foreskin of an opponent common back then?" I mean, if during a battle I look over and my King has his head down under some dead guys skirt I just might get the wrong idea... Or maybe that was his sword bearers job... "Jessie! Come here and remove this dead Philistenes penis skin please! And hurry! I want to impress my father in law with lots and lots of penis skins!"

        March 4, 2014 at 1:35 pm |
    • Austin

      Evil saul put davud in a position where he was to mutilate the enemy. This was common in ancient warfare.

      Saul was trying to entangle david in a snare.

      David was asked to get 100 instead he brought 200 foreskins.

      Then saul, unimpressed turns around akd makes his intentions to kill david public..

      David would have been killed for disobeying king saul. He was himiliated. He went beyond to win sauls respect and honor the king.

      This is a story of davids heart.

      How dare you mock the king david.

      You heathen .

      March 3, 2014 at 10:45 pm |
      • Austin

        You mentally retarded pervert .

        March 3, 2014 at 10:50 pm |
        • Austin

          Saul was tying to put david in jeapordy with the phillistines to get him killed.

          When you take something lke that out of context that badly you deserve pity

          March 3, 2014 at 10:57 pm |
        • Alias

          If only the book had detailed how many women were violated as the men were being violated, that would help me with puting this into context.

          March 4, 2014 at 10:24 am |
        • Blessed are the Cheesemakers

          It really doesn't matter why he did it to me, it is more the point it is in there. He could have wanted to use them for gum, so what?

          March 4, 2014 at 11:10 am |
        • derado8

          Did you just call me a mentally retarded pervert? Oh my I love you. You make me sound so much more interesting than I really am.

          March 4, 2014 at 6:03 pm |
      • TruthPrevails1

        "How dare you mock the king david."

        Mocking fictional characters is wrong now???

        March 4, 2014 at 4:44 am |
      • myweightinwords

        You say "heathen" like it's a bad thing.

        I know a few heathen. They are very good folks. Honorable, occasionally very loud and quite fond of a good feast, but very good people.

        March 4, 2014 at 9:28 am |
      • doobzz

        Any old excuse will do to justify the violence in the bible, right, Austin?

        What excuse does David have for sending Uriah to his death, other than he coveted Uriah's wife, Bathsheba?

        March 4, 2014 at 11:56 am |
      • derado8

        Dear Austin. No offense intended on my part. It's the first time I've ever seen that and my honest first impression is that 150+ skins in a bag is funny. I mean not in reality for the poor people but as a concept. I mean really a bag of you know what? Some guy had to count them out?
        Oh dear.

        March 4, 2014 at 6:06 pm |
    • believerfred

      Blessed are the Cheesemakers
      This should have no bearing on your choice to become godless. Exactly how could this verse have any impact. I suspect you only found this verse after rejecting Christ or God (not sure if you thought you were a former Jew or Christian.

      March 4, 2014 at 12:12 pm |
      • Alias

        But now that we found this verse it willreinforce that we made the correct decision to leave your religion.
        I may also useit to free others from your cult.

        March 4, 2014 at 12:18 pm |
        • believerfred

          Alias
          You would need to put some context into the verse that in not there if you are expecting that the verses somehow throws egg on the face of God.
          In that day Kings would ask for skulls of the enemy and power was shown by the number of skulls. This King was not interested in skulls because a skull would not identify the enemy. The enemy was uncircumcised and that was the only distinguishing feature. Foreskins were proof. This meant David had to kill the most vicious of enemy to the King and the King was certain David would die trying and/or raise up a great number of Philistines against David.

          March 4, 2014 at 12:38 pm |
        • Blessed are the Cheesemakers

          The context of the story may matter to you fred but it doesn't matter to me. Mutilating bodies and genitals is generally sick. The fact that he needed foreskins to tell friend from foe speaks more to the religion than the story. If god wanted his chosen people to not have foreskins I have to assume he could have created them sans foreskins. It does not make any sense.

          Unless the god of Abraham is man made, than it makes perfect sense. It is a larger "context" issue of the faith is more important than the "context" of the story.

          March 4, 2014 at 2:51 pm |
      • Blessed are the Cheesemakers

        You are right fred, it had no bearing on me rejecting Christianity (I can't reject god). It was more of an interesting verse that confirms the absurdity of the bible. The bible makes as much sense to me as the Book of Mormon does to you or L. Ron Hubbards Dianetics.

        My rejection of Christianity actually goes to its very foundational concepts. As you should be aware of per our last discussion.

        March 4, 2014 at 2:40 pm |
    • believerfred

      Believers who reject God always look for excuses. Scientific advances have not added anything to the argument against God. You are not more intelligent than you once were. You are not more logical or reasonable. You just fell into the deception that Adam and Eve did. Nothing new here.

      March 4, 2014 at 12:17 pm |
      • doobzz

        You mean Adam and his genetic twin, Steve?

        March 4, 2014 at 12:41 pm |
        • joey3467

          Yeah, if god thought you could take a man's rib and get a woman he would fail most science classes I've taken.

          March 4, 2014 at 12:49 pm |
        • doobzz

          But...but...but...he's god, he can do anything!

          March 4, 2014 at 12:51 pm |
        • believerfred

          It was not a rib that was taken. The Hebrew actually says God took from the side of Adam to form Eve. Most take this to mean simply a part of Adam and both need to join together to be one. This formed the concept of Man and women becoming one. It also is the basis for unity with God or in the New Testament being in Christ.
          The Hebrew for Adam also means mankind or man and can be physical or representative. Most believe Adam was physical. Now, I understand current science leans towards a female as first yet the Bible does not tell us when God breathed life (His image) into the creation. This means it could have been millions of years later when Adam had a soul. The focus on the Bible is on the majesty of God and the bringing about of souls that are Christ like.

          Not so sure about Steve perhaps you mean St. Eve.

          March 4, 2014 at 1:30 pm |
        • doobzz

          Doesn't matter, fred. Whatever god "took", it contained male DNA, so "StEve" was a genetic male.

          March 4, 2014 at 7:34 pm |
        • joey3467

          If god used any part of Adam to form Eve then Eve was a man.

          March 4, 2014 at 1:37 pm |
        • believerfred

          Joey
          You best brush up on your science:
          "Not only is male DNA present in women’s brains, it’s common, researchers report online September 26 in PLOS ONE. J. Lee Nelson of the Fred Hutchinson Cancer Research Center in Seattle and her colleagues found snippets of a male-only gene in the brains of 18 of 26 women who died without neurological disease. The male DNA was spread throughout their brains."
          Read all about it: https://www.sciencenews.org/article/male-dna-found-female-brains

          March 4, 2014 at 1:50 pm |
        • doobzz

          You'd best brush up on your reading comprehension (and grammar). These are fetal cells.

          March 4, 2014 at 7:43 pm |
      • ausphor

        fredie
        Believers who reject god were probably only believers in the first instance for convenience, just go along to get along. Thankfully I never had to reject any god, did not accept any of the man made brands at all.

        March 4, 2014 at 2:04 pm |
        • believerfred

          Doubt happens and If a believer does not stay close to God in daily prayer, reading and walk in "the way" that doubt can extend to a loss of relationship with God. God is faithful we are seldom faithful for long so as always it is God that calls the lost ones.

          March 4, 2014 at 2:18 pm |
        • ausphor

          fredie
          Of course doubt happens when studying the gods they are all based on the supernatural endowed on them by their creators, the guys that made up the stories. People often overcome the irrational with time and wisdom.

          March 4, 2014 at 2:26 pm |
        • believerfred

          ausphor
          Ah, but there is no one Holy like the Lord. The early books of the Bible are filled with the incomparability of our God. Your error is to compare gods with God. The early biblical comparison was between Israel who had such majestic God and other nations. Compare America with our great Lord one nation under God with all the other nations. Can you not see the incomparability of our God..................can you not see the Super Power the world loves to hate with its roots in the creator who endowed its people with certain rights? Ouch careful God has not blinded you.

          March 4, 2014 at 2:53 pm |
      • In Santa We Trust

        fred, The Genesis story is proven to be not factual. No science supports that story and all current knowledge contradicts it. No creation, no credentials. No credentials, no reason to believe in a personal god.

        March 4, 2014 at 2:18 pm |
        • believerfred

          In Santa We Trust
          "The Genesis story is proven to be not factual."
          =>Their is no evidence against Genesis. What are you talking about?

          "No science supports that story"
          =>I do not recall even seeing a hypothesis being put out there as it is no something science would deal with. I think you are confusing philosophical science with the actual science itself.

          " all current knowledge contradicts it. No creation"
          =>All is a big word so give me one.

          " no credentials. No credentials"
          =>Good gosh, the 56 representatives that unanimously signed the Declaration of Independence appealed to Creator God for approval before they would sign the declaration. That is authority and some big time credentials.
          No president has ever been elected to the United States without professing belief in God. I call those credentials as being known, well established and at the highest order known to the greatest superpower to ever exist in all known history of man.
          => seriously Santa? looks like you are the one who needs a gift. A gift from God none the less. A free Gift.........

          March 4, 2014 at 2:42 pm |
        • joey3467

          Free gift my left foot? If it was free people could choose to reject it with no consequences. Since this is not the case the gift is not free.

          March 4, 2014 at 2:48 pm |
        • joey3467

          Free gift my left foot. If it was free people could choose to reject it with no consequences. Since this is not the case the gift is not free.

          March 4, 2014 at 2:49 pm |
        • believerfred

          Joey
          Believers and non believers both get cancer, run over by trains etc. and win the lottery etc. The Gift regards your soul and relationship with God. Certainly there are consequences when you reject a gift from anyone. Instead of arguing with me go try it sometime and get real time results. You offended the giver which changes relationship it does not change the nature of the Gift.

          March 4, 2014 at 3:01 pm |
        • joey3467

          There are not always consequences for rejecting a gift. just the other day I went to a basketball game and a lady was passing out coupons. I said no thanks and so she handed one to the person behind me. I faced no consequences whatsoever.

          March 4, 2014 at 3:07 pm |
        • In Santa We Trust

          fred, This gets posted daily so I suspect you are being deliberately blind. Big Bang, cosmology, evolution, et al show that all creation myths are not factual. Geology and more show that the global flood did not happen. Apart from a few people and a few more places nothing in the bible is correct. Without the creation myths as credentials for that god, there is no credible evidence of a god or that god was involved in the creation of the universe.
          Of course if you have some actual objective, verifiable evidence please present it.

          March 4, 2014 at 3:15 pm |
      • Blessed are the Cheesemakers

        Believers who accept God always look for excuses. Theological "advances" have not added anything to the argument for God. You are not more intelligent than you once were. You are not more logical or reasonable. You just fell into the deception that Adam and Eve are anything more than mythological characters. Nothing new here.

        March 4, 2014 at 2:54 pm |
  16. Tom, Tom, the Other One

    It is hard to take a religion seriously when, as a sign of a covenant with its God, it wants to cut off a bit of you. And why is it a bit of the penis? Why not a earlobe or your tonsils?

    March 3, 2014 at 8:32 pm |
    • derado8

      Well at least it doesn't alter the flavor any.

      March 3, 2014 at 8:38 pm |
      • bootyfunk

        yeah, just sensation.

        March 3, 2014 at 8:42 pm |
        • derado8

          Really? Did not know that. That is bad.

          March 3, 2014 at 9:15 pm |
    • Russ

      @ TTTOO:
      it's the most intimate place.
      and in the NT, it becomes "circu.mcision of the heart" (Col.2).

      March 4, 2014 at 9:50 am |
  17. Akira

    Test.

    March 3, 2014 at 8:21 pm |
    • Akira

      I can post again! Yay!

      JMcC cracks me up. Always has.

      March 3, 2014 at 8:24 pm |
  18. Austin

    I guess vic i would as.sume that there are reformed jews in every area of their populus thus converts can find a reception everywhere.

    Whenever i have read the history there were alwas mentions of converts in the mix. Saphardics ect have convert history.

    March 3, 2014 at 8:10 pm |
    • Austin

      Also when reading the new testament the missionary journey of paul entails information about the churches is turkey asai minor. These churches were full if jewish converts.

      March 3, 2014 at 8:15 pm |
  19. Vic

    Many Christians believe once saved always saved. Jesus Christ died on the Holy Cross and entered the Holy Place once and for all.

    Also, only Reformed Judaism—the majority of Jews in the United States are "Reformed"—accepts converts.

    March 3, 2014 at 7:33 pm |
    • Austin

      Slaves were converted. Husbands and wives married in after the diaspora. Samaritans were partially converts.

      Restoration israel has accepted converts. Rabbis dont exclude converts .history is full of converts.

      March 3, 2014 at 8:06 pm |
  20. Mike

    Technically speaking one has to be born Jewish, you can't convert. Read the Bible!

    March 3, 2014 at 6:16 pm |
    • Mike

      Probably you can when you read read about Jonah and Nineveh.

      March 3, 2014 at 6:19 pm |
      • ausphor

        Sammy Davis Jr. among others. Every religion loves converts especially rich ones.

        March 3, 2014 at 6:25 pm |
      • Austin

        Mike jonah was the only example of a jewish missionary but the history is full of examples of converts. Thus the significance of when jesus told the disciples to seek the lost sheep of israel first. This has to do with bloodline and further signifying the heavily converted population of the samaritan.

        March 3, 2014 at 8:21 pm |
    • Mike

      Going deeper into the scriptures, the conversion to Judaism for a Christian is moot because once a Christian comes to the saving knowledge in Christ they are saved and assured eternal life in the presence of Almighty G-d!

      March 3, 2014 at 6:30 pm |
      • Apple Bush

        Going deeper into Mother Hubbard, the conversion to Mother Goose is moot because once a Gooser comes to the superstitious knowledge in Mother Goose they are saved and assured the poor dog will not get a bone in the presence of Old Mother Hubbard!

        March 3, 2014 at 6:41 pm |
      • Blessed are the Cheesemakers

        I was a believer, but now I think the whole thing is bunk...are you saying you think I still get a pass?

        March 3, 2014 at 6:58 pm |
        • derado8

          You asked me that last lifetime, and the one before that, and the one before that...

          😉

          March 3, 2014 at 7:52 pm |
        • derado8

          Anyway I tried looking for funny bible verses for you and it was too time consuming so I'll settle for Numbers 13-20:

          14, 15, 16, 17, 18 and 19.

          March 3, 2014 at 7:59 pm |
        • Blessed are the Cheesemakers

          tsk tsk....Home Run derado8!

          March 3, 2014 at 8:57 pm |
        • Blessed are the Cheesemakers

          1 Samuel 18:25-27 – "Saul replied, "Say to David, 'The king wants no other price for the bride than a hundred Philistine foreskins, to take revenge on his enemies.' " Saul's plan was to have David fall by the hands of the Philistines. When the attendants told David these things, he was pleased to become the king's son-in-law. So before the allotted time elapsed, David and his men went out and killed two hundred Philistines. He brought their foreskins and presented the full number to the king so that he might become the king's son-in-law. Then Saul gave him his daughter Michal in marriage." .

          March 3, 2014 at 8:58 pm |
        • derado8

          Aha! Cheat sheet..funny bible verses: Courtesy of google

          Behold, I will corrupt your seed, and spread dung upon your faces. – Malachi 2:3 KJV

          March 3, 2014 at 9:28 pm |
        • Blessed are the Cheesemakers

          I think that was a misprint it should have read...

          "Behold, I will corrupt your dung, and spread seed upon your faces."

          It was a prohacy!

          March 3, 2014 at 9:34 pm |
        • derado8

          Hilarity at it's finest! Well done.

          March 4, 2014 at 5:58 pm |
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