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March 3rd, 2014
06:01 PM ET

McCain: I was 'bris' close to Jewish conversion

(CNN) - At the American Israel Public Affairs Conference on Monday, Sen. John McCain of Arizona joked that, because of his close friendship with former Connecticut Sen. Joe Lieberman, he observed a lot of Judaism's Sabbath laws.

"I've had to go through all this all these years and I've gotten none of the benefits," McCain told the crowd. "So I'm announcing my conversion to Judaism."

He might've gone through with it, the senator said, but for one little thing...

- CNN Belief Blog

Filed under: Judaism

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  1. Austin

    Have it have a supernatural spiritual. I have evidence and data wich will always be proof if God , insufficient for salvation.

    Nonetheless.have experenced the gift supernaturally unveiled by the spirit or angels who minister.

    The origin of the power is none other than the Father and Son creators of spirit and universe.

    Your science and doubt are the weakest and least valuable ideas on earth.

    You pedal death with your hstred for what is good and worthy of praise.

    Your religion is an exaltation of a lifeless powerless rock.

    March 5, 2014 at 10:33 am |
    • TruthPrevails1

      Time to check yourself in to the asylum there Aussy boy...you're sounding crazy again!

      March 5, 2014 at 10:37 am |
    • Austin

      Auto correct menace

      March 5, 2014 at 10:47 am |
  2. Apple Bush

    You can find many believers who will say, "The reason why scientific experiments fail to detect God is because God must remain hidden. He does not answer prayers if he knows that he will be detected."

    In order to see the truth, you need to accept that this explanation is silly. If God must remain hidden, then he cannot answer any prayers. Any "answered prayer" would expose God.

    The whole notion that "God" must remain "hidden" is a total cross-threading of religious doctrine. On the one hand, believers will say that "God wrote the Bible, God incarnated himself and died on the cross for us, and God answers millions of prayers on earth every day." Then in the next breath they will say, "God must remain hidden." God obviously cannot "remain hidden" and "incarnate himself." These two items are mutually exclusive. Therefore, the explanation that "God must remain hidden" is impossible. As soon as you accept how impossible it is, you can begin to see that God is imaginary.

    March 5, 2014 at 10:23 am |
    • Austin

      There are so many spectacular answers to prayer thst your statement is one of absolute depravity and suffering.

      You can only escape your prison of spiritual death with supernatural light.

      You are a blinded helpless nomad.

      March 5, 2014 at 10:40 am |
      • Blessed are the Cheesemakers

        You are a cult's wet dream.

        March 5, 2014 at 10:42 am |
        • TruthPrevails1

          Careful...he'll come back and call you all kinds of nasty vicious names and use the word pervert to make them look like they are good.

          March 5, 2014 at 10:45 am |
        • derado8

          I didn't mind being called a mentally retarded heathen pervert, at least I know what my religion is now. Up until then "agnostic" was just to general. It's nice to have somewhere to belong.

          March 5, 2014 at 10:50 am |
        • derado8

          It is hard to get past the "pervert" word though, I've never been called one before I'm just so flattered. 🙂

          March 5, 2014 at 10:53 am |
        • Blessed are the Cheesemakers

          Calling someone a "pervert" is just admitting they have a better se.x life than you do.

          As far as "heathen goes....I really prefer "apostate".

          March 5, 2014 at 10:55 am |
        • derado8

          Are you sure? Heathen has such a nice ring to it. It makes you sound like you really know how to party.

          March 5, 2014 at 10:57 am |
        • Blessed are the Cheesemakers

          Yeah it does have a certain flair. But I like "apostate" because it refers to someone who once accepted their religion, and now outright rejects it. Kind of has that 'outlaw' quality.

          March 5, 2014 at 11:02 am |
        • TruthPrevails1

          Pervert is his new favorite word...I think he thinks it makes him look better. Heathen is far better than what he portrays a christian to be and I know many good Heathen's.

          March 5, 2014 at 11:04 am |
    • Blessed are the Cheesemakers

      You hit on the problem with religious theology in general. Inconsistancy.

      Inconsistancy of the bible, of the message, of the apologetics.

      March 5, 2014 at 10:41 am |
  3. The Central Scrutinizer

    A favorite Christian rationalization for why God does not answer our prayer to eliminate cancer is because "it would take away free will." The logic: If you pray and God answers your prayer, then God would have revealed himself to you, and you would know that God exists. That would take away your free will to believe in him. Of course, if this is true, then by default all of Jesus' statements about prayer in the Bible are false. It means that God cannot answer any prayer. Also, why is a God who must remain hidden like this incarnating himself and writing the Bible?

    If Jesus is God, and if God is perfect, why aren't all of Jesus's verses about prayer true? Was Jesus exagerating? Was he fibbing? If Jesus is perfect, why wouldn't he speak the truth? Why doesn't a prayer to cure cancer worldwide tomorrow work?

    Believers have many different ways to explain why all these verses in the Bible do not work, even if you are praying sincerely, unselfishly and non-materialistically, and even if the answer to your prayer would help millions of people and glorify God in the process. They will say things like this:
    "You need to understand what Jesus was saying in the context the first century civilization in which he was speaking..." or: "When Jesus talked about 'moving a mountain', he was speaking metaphorically. When someone says, 'it is raining cats and dogs,' no one takes him literally. Jesus was using a figure of speech rather than speaking literally..." or: God is not a thing. He is a being. He has a will. He has desires. He relates to people. He has personality traits. Prayer is a fancy word for talking to God. God, who knows everything, even before we say it, knows the difference between our thoughts and wishes, and when we are actually addressing him. He hears our prayers and responds. His responses are based on his personal decisions. We cannot predict how he will respond to our prayers... [ref] The primary problem with these rationalizations is that they miss the point. The fact is that God never answers any prayers, as discussed here.
    Going one step further, the problem is that all of these rationalizations miss two other important points:
    1.God is supposed to be an all-powerful, all-knowing, perfect being.

    2.The statement, "Nothing will be impossible for you", along with the other Bible verses quoted above, are false. The fact is, lots of things are impossible for you.
    If a perfect being is going to make statements about how prayer works in the Bible, then three things are certain: 1) He would speak clearly, 2) he would say what he means, and 3) he would speak the truth. That is what "being perfect" is all about. A perfect, all-knowing God would know that people would be reading the Bible 2,000 years later, and therefore he would not use first-century idioms (he would say what he means). He would know that normal people will be reading the Bible and interpreting it in normal ways, so he would speak in such a way as to avoid mis-interpretation (he would speak clearly). He would know that when you say, "Nothing will be impossible for you", that what it means is, "Nothing will be impossible for you" and he would make sure that the statement "Nothing will be impossible for you" is accurate (he would speak the truth). If God says it, it should be true - otherwise he is not perfect.
    Unfortunately, the fact is that thousands of things are impossible for you no matter how much you pray, and no one (including Jesus) has ever moved a mountain.

    In order to see the truth, you need to accept the fact that all of the above verses are wrong. The fact is, God does not answer prayers. The reason why God does not answer your prayers is simple: God is imaginary.

    March 5, 2014 at 10:16 am |
    • Vic

      Do you know why you go to such great lengths in refuting Christianity, and yet, you are still in the minority?

      The answer is simple. It all boils down to the "Origin."

      This universe and life in it are the ever-giving living testimony to every living soul that there is a "Supreme Origin" of it all.

      This universe and life in it are "Prima Facie" evidence of God.

      You can proliferate great tomes of Empirical Science—the Modern Branches and Method of which were founded, and are attested and continually contributed to, by Christians, BTW—trying to decipher the physical mechanisms of this universe and life in it, yet, none of that, individually nor collectively, amounts to an answer to the simple question of "What is the Origin of life and matter?"

      March 5, 2014 at 10:33 am |
      • MidwestKen

        @Vic,
        You are using an argument from ignorance. Just we don't know something does not mean that God did it.

        March 5, 2014 at 10:40 am |
      • Blessed are the Cheesemakers

        "none of that, individually nor collectively, amounts to an answer to the simple question of "What is the Origin of life and matter?"

        And made up "answers" aren't really answers Vic. I dont care what you claim to know...I care what you can demonstrate to know.

        And Christian scientists do very good science. But their religious views are beside the point. Name one thing a Christian scientists has proven to be true using his religious knowledge?

        March 5, 2014 at 10:51 am |
      • The Central Scrutinizer

        ""What is the Origin of life and matter"

        I don't know but I hope we make some good progress learning more about these questions before I kick the bucket. Fascinating.

        March 5, 2014 at 1:52 pm |
    • believerfred

      Shucks, I am still waiting for someone to show me one, just one false statement Jesus made. Let me assume you addressing the following verse when you commented nothing will be impossible:
      "And Jesus said to them, Because of your unbelief: for truly I say to you, If you have faith as a grain of mustard seed, you shall say to this mountain, Remove hence to yonder place; and it shall remove; and nothing shall be impossible to you.
      =>so, you skipped the part concerning unbelief that keeps us from accomplishing the impossible. Just as it only takes a little bit of faith it only takes a little bit of unbelief.

      March 5, 2014 at 2:19 pm |
      • The Central Scrutinizer

        So you are a non-believer fred? Interesting.

        March 5, 2014 at 2:45 pm |
        • believerfred

          I believe but the doubt overcomes more often then it once did.
          As to prayer it works on several levels but, the results when viewed by a non believer as to specific prayer looks as if the answer to prayer was only in the mind of the believer.
          Regarding your quote it does not disqualify Jesus as the verse remains true without fault.

          March 5, 2014 at 3:53 pm |
        • The Central Scrutinizer

          You are ent.itled to your delusions.

          March 5, 2014 at 4:48 pm |
  4. Austin

    Because of the resurrection power gift of the holy spirit we must not look any further than genesis for wisdom or direction.

    We are not here because of a random mutation. If you must , aproach God knowing that theistic evolution, guided evolution of the creation is a sufficient rational.
    You are a child of God. God hss interveined to save us from the curse of sin.

    Life is eternal.

    March 5, 2014 at 10:08 am |
    • the0g0to0the0t

      So your abondoning your young earth beliefs or do you just not understand evolution?

      March 5, 2014 at 10:10 am |
    • igaftr

      "God hss interveined to save us from the curse of sin."

      Which he created himself, so now has to save you from the threat he also created himself.
      You describe a bully.

      March 5, 2014 at 10:13 am |
      • Austin

        Igaftr. Stop perverting what you know the bible claims for itself.

        You have a personal test to seek healing from your eroded sense of responsibilty.

        March 5, 2014 at 10:19 am |
        • TruthPrevails1

          Stop acting like we're all wrong and you're the only one who is right! I know that a proper read of the bible is not within your capabilities but what igaftr said is not at all off base.

          March 5, 2014 at 10:31 am |
        • igaftr

          "You have a personal test to seek healing from your eroded sense of responsibilty."

          What does that even mean? I have perverted NOTHING. It comes straight from your man-made instruction manual.

          I hope you make out with the FBI, and I hope they get you the help you obviously need.

          March 5, 2014 at 11:09 am |
    • TruthPrevails1

      No none of us are children of god...we are children of our parents. No life is not eternal...you only get one shot at it, after death nothing of you exists.
      Sin is a man-made concept to make you feel bad...how very pathetic!

      March 5, 2014 at 10:27 am |
  5. The Central Scrutinizer

    Creationism is often the root of the Christian’s faith structure. With the wealth of reasonable evidence at our disposal concerning its infeasibility, atheists support evolution and radiocarbon dating–as ridiculous as it may sound, many believe that the earth is 5,000-6,000 years old. Christians need theoretical weight, besides the Bible or other religious texts.

    March 5, 2014 at 9:39 am |
    • The Central Scrutinizer

      There is no "science" in religion, except for the fact that there are a few scientific theories that explain that the paranormal isn't impossible (written by actual scientists, not zealots) and that scientists only understand about 4% of the universe. The difference between science and religion is that the former is always willing to reconsider any of its theories, laws and rules. The catch is that the longer a theory is supported by evidence, the stronger the evidence must be to disprove it. Ask any religious person if they would accept any evidence disproving the existence of his/her god(s) and the answer will always be "No." That is why religion can never be classified as "science" regardless of what name you give to it.

      March 5, 2014 at 9:40 am |
      • The Central Scrutinizer

        Some religious beliefs require you to "dumb down" your mind in order to have faith. The mortal enemy of faith is knowledge, a scientific fact that has been demonstrated by researchers at the University of British Columbia The basis of any religion is that you must believe something someone else tells you is true, even though your mind tells you it is a lie and it makes no sense. There is name for that: fideism. Without fideism, the concept of religion would not exist.

        March 5, 2014 at 9:42 am |
        • The Central Scrutinizer

          Morality does not require any religious belief. Many people believe that without religion, the planet would descend into immoral chaos. The reality is that the majority of heinous crimes committed against people on this planet across all of recorded history had their roots on religious beliefs, but the ability to distinguish right from wrong does not require any religious beliefs. In addition, animals who are incapable of understanding our human concept of religion show clear evidence of understanding moral behavior and distinguishing between right and wrong.

          March 5, 2014 at 9:43 am |
        • The Central Scrutinizer

          The "devil" was not present in religious texts until the nomadic monotheists ran into polytheists and borrowed the idea.

          Religion, throughout history, has been used to control the masses, rather than enlighten them. An example of this includes the Christian crusades, and the present day suicide bombings of Muslims. Are (insert any faith here) really that different?

          In the case of the Bible, often entire verses, stories, and anecdotes were falsified for the sake of making a point. Even the concept of the "holy trinity" is a fabrication created not by any god, but for political reasons by a zealot named Theophilus of of Antioch in 412 AD.

          Why do Christians believe so strongly in their faith besides being raised in the dogma's environment.

          March 5, 2014 at 9:47 am |
        • The Central Scrutinizer

          Religion has often been used to explain the unexplainable. The Greeks used Poseidon to explain how earthquakes happen, which we now know is due to the movement of tectonic plates to relieve pressure. What happens when we can prove, and you can't deny, the Big Bang theory and Evolution, which both have such large amounts of logic behind them that it's hard to deny that they are true. This is called "The God of the gaps" factor.

          March 5, 2014 at 9:51 am |
      • The Central Scrutinizer

        What happens after death? Many Christians try to use this argument to trick you into thinking you have to go to heaven. However, try relating this to something that has already happened. What happened before you were born? Nothing in the Bible says anything about this. Ask them to explain near-death or death experiences that many people have related, and why they never speak of seeing any "heaven," "god," "angels" or anything of the sort.

        March 5, 2014 at 9:52 am |
    • Doris

      Of course if you're a young-earth Christian believer and can get a geologist to LIE on your behalf (while also selling his expertise in dating things consistent with his educational credentials), then you can get a good story going and do a pretty good job with fancy websites to hoodwink a good chunk of the population that doesn't bother to verify things.

      March 5, 2014 at 9:47 am |
      • Apple Bush

        Good morning Doris. It is child's play to disprove god(s). I don't understand how a person can just shut their mind off.

        March 5, 2014 at 9:58 am |
    • The Central Scrutinizer

      • Christians believe their God is omniscient and knows everything, including everything that has happened and will happen, as well as every thought your mind creates before you think it. If that's the case, there is no "free will."

      • They also believe their God is omnipotent, and can do anything. Problem is, if their God can do anything but doesn't lift a finger to stop all the disasters, massacres and wars that have happened, are happening now and will happen in the future, their God is also a psychopath who enjoys watching our misery.

      • However, if the Christian God is not omniscient or omnipotent... well, in that case their God is not a "god" and doesn't exist.

      March 5, 2014 at 9:54 am |
    • Austin

      " The catch is that the longer a theory is supported by evidence, the stronger the evidence must be to disprove it.

      I have had over 30 supernatural revelations come true. They began as i was reading the bible and yearning for truth about Gods presence or lack of it. The first time it happened it questioned my sanity and started writing my dreams down.

      Thern is a spiritual gift called prophecy. Angels are ministering spirits. There is also deception.

      I have evidence data and proof of Gods desire to communicate through one who toils with His word.

      Jesus is risen. His spirit is promised to guide you. Pride will not guide you to God.

      March 5, 2014 at 10:01 am |
      • Doc Vestibule

        Strange how you now say that your wrote it all down – and yet in the past this little nugget of info was omitted.
        So for the umpteenth time – if your gift of prophecy is true, publish your visions in a public forum.
        Scan the pages of your dream journal and put them online.
        Maintain a blog of prophecies so that all the doubters can see for themselves.

        For now, I'm waiting to see if the president it killed.

        March 5, 2014 at 10:06 am |
      • The Central Scrutinizer

        Austin, you are pitiful. Or mentally ill. No offense, but my goodness you are a loon.

        March 5, 2014 at 10:08 am |
      • the0g0to0the0t

        Sorry Austin, but non-biblical, psychic phenomenon is just as good (or bad) an explanation as your biblical take on it.

        Can you prove it's prophecy and not psychic phenomenon?

        March 5, 2014 at 10:13 am |
  6. His Panic

    Well, well what did you know!!! If it is not anxiety hysteria or Panic then it may be PTSD. Anyways he has a conscience problem. He need to go back to Nam, find anyone who may be still there of those who rescue him from drowning, thank them profusely for not letting him die neither kill him. And of course apologize time and again for bombing the poor people of a poor country. He needs to do this before is too late, before he retires back to the hill country of AZ and before any of those people are gone. Only that way he may clear his conscience.

    However those who Trust in God and in Jesus Christ God's Only Son WILL NOT Panic all others Will.

    March 4, 2014 at 10:25 pm |
    • Austin

      He is so honored with the greatest honor that he wants more to receive the honor . We must go to war. Keep smiling.

      March 4, 2014 at 10:34 pm |
      • TruthPrevails1

        "He is so honored"

        How exactly would you know this?? Hearing voices again?? In the real world there is a term for that...schizophrenia.

        March 5, 2014 at 8:09 am |
    • Reality

      The Apostles' Creed 2014 (updated by yours truly based on the studies of NT historians and theologians of the past 200 years)

      Should I believe in a god whose existence cannot be proven
      and said god if he/she/it exists resides in an unproven,
      human-created, spirit state of bliss called heaven?????

      I believe there was a 1st century CE, Jewish, simple,
      preacher-man who was conceived by a Jewish carpenter
      named Joseph living in Nazareth and born of a young Jewish
      girl named Mary. (Some say he was a mamzer.)

      Jesus was summarily crucified for being a temple rabble-rouser by
      the Roman troops in Jerusalem serving under Pontius Pilate,

      He was buried in an unmarked grave and still lies
      a-mouldering in the ground somewhere outside of
      Jerusalem.

      Said Jesus' story was embellished and "mythicized" by
      many semi-fiction writers. A bodily resurrection and
      ascension stories were promulgated to compete with the
      Caesar myths. Said stories were so popular that they
      grew into a religion known today as Catholicism/Christianity
      and featuring dark-age, daily wine to blood and bread to body rituals
      called the eucharistic sacrifice of the non-atoning Jesus.

      Amen
      (References used are available upon request.)

      March 5, 2014 at 7:46 am |
  7. derado8

    Next topic bowels. What was left in porcelain, corn or no corn? Peanuts? Maybe some hair?

    Hooray!

    March 4, 2014 at 9:56 pm |
    • Austin

      Uh. Beavis. Huhuh. I gotta go.

      March 4, 2014 at 10:20 pm |
  8. Austin

    For example. Have you ever smelled a rubhernglove that had water in it ? it smells really funky. Well onfe ibput my hand in one. So it smelled. I washed with soap and my hand still smelled. Washed again it still smelled. I finally gave up.

    I went on with a smelly hand.

    March 4, 2014 at 9:50 pm |
    • Doris

      🙄

      March 4, 2014 at 9:56 pm |
      • Austin

        You are adorable!

        March 4, 2014 at 10:16 pm |
  9. Austin

    Women didnt have multiple husbands.

    Men needed to remove the flap with folds because they didnt have a tooth brush or shower head or hose nozzle to spray it out.

    They couldnt use a horse hair either and they were slaves and nomads without tubs. Do you want to risk the microbial water in a river or salt water contaminating your tract?

    Or even to obsess inside of a penis flap?

    Didnt need the hastle or risk.

    Imtelligent decision.

    March 4, 2014 at 9:30 pm |
    • derado8

      "Honey I used your toothbrush"

      "For what?!?"

      Sorry couldn't resist.

      March 4, 2014 at 9:47 pm |
      • Austin

        Ahaha. How are you suppused to wash the inside of you foreskin?

        I have no clue. I dont have it.

        Do you need three hands?

        March 4, 2014 at 9:54 pm |
        • derado8

          From what I've read soap and water and a wash cloth. But I'll keep some extra toothbrushes around incase anybody stops by and needs one.

          March 4, 2014 at 9:59 pm |
        • Doris

          Goodness I hope no children are reading this. Otherwise the doctors offices will be full tomorrow with kids with scratched foreskins smelling like mint.

          March 4, 2014 at 10:02 pm |
        • Austin

          Correct.

          March 4, 2014 at 10:14 pm |
  10. joeyy1

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b_F9nIps46w
    *

    March 4, 2014 at 9:25 pm |
  11. Austin

    Jews had conqubines and multiple wives. A good reason for xircu.mcision.

    Less scruubbing for a quick turnaround time. However ling that might take.

    March 4, 2014 at 8:32 pm |
    • Austin

      Circ.umcision was a ceremonial cleansing ritual promoting the cutting away of sin.
      Thus it also pertains to the heart.

      But it wss also a necessary physical ammendment that went aling with polygamy. Intermarriage . And thriving as slaves. It allowed a safer way to envigorate the population.

      The command to fill the earth is related to the flood and extermination of the corrupted. Caanamites.

      March 4, 2014 at 8:41 pm |
      • Austin

        The dinah incedent was the defilement of a hebrew sister by schechem. As forgiveness a deal was struck for all men of schechems tribe to be circu.mcizes so they could convert and inter marry.

        Question. How were the jews smart enough to understand the importance of circu.mcision ?

        March 4, 2014 at 8:47 pm |
        • realbuckyball

          They didn't invent the practice. You wouldn't know as you are totally ignorant of the ancient Near East. there is NO law or custom in the Babble that did not exist already, and was imported by the Hebrews. Religion gave nothing to culture. Culture gave everything to religion.

          March 4, 2014 at 10:08 pm |
    • Akira

      Now which is it? Is it a Covenant between God and the Israelites, or was it meant to facilitate porking as many women as possible in the shortest amount of time?

      Question, what were ritual baths for?

      March 4, 2014 at 8:54 pm |
      • Austin

        Idk about the later bathes. Abraham. Isaac jacob joseph and levi. Moses was levis grand son.

        Moses brother aaron finally entered the land of israel. They wandered or were slaves prior and did not have ritual baths.

        Moses was given the law. Priests were levites.

        So that was a long period of vigorous polygamy leading to the land as their numbers thrived.

        March 4, 2014 at 9:03 pm |
        • Akira

          They didn't purify themselves? Really? But they cut foreskins off for easy turnaround so they can have as much sex as they wanted, even by force?

          I find it odd that you give a green light to their behavior when you would clearly call someone doing these exact things immoral sinners today.

          March 4, 2014 at 9:08 pm |
        • Austin

          Almost five hundred years. Im not sure the population was of the twelve tribes at the time of moses but would reveal a rabbit like progression.

          It said hebrew slave women were able to rapidly reproduce and that they were agressive at that
          Dscribed as slaves in superior shape to the egyptian child bearers.

          March 4, 2014 at 9:10 pm |
        • Austin

          Schechem was not a Jew.

          Also akira saul was said to be tormented by unclean spirits as a curse.

          The old testament is a devided kingdom of mostly evil kings. Thats why even two remaining tribes if the south kingdom were carried of by Gods will.

          The ot is a cycle repeated
          Intervention. Rejection. Restoration.

          Over and over. Story of evil and a nation that killed its own prophets from God.

          March 4, 2014 at 9:19 pm |
        • fintronics

          It's all pure mythology

          March 10, 2014 at 1:14 pm |
    • In Santa We Trust

      "Less scrubbing for a quicker turnaround time"

      Compare the average time for a male to be ready again with the time it takes to "scrub"; I don't think not being able to wash quickly enough was the problem.

      March 4, 2014 at 9:16 pm |
      • Austin

        No getting thouroughly clean was a serious factor. Id hate to have to go into any detail.

        Again its different for monogamy. Those men were not monogamous.

        March 4, 2014 at 9:46 pm |
  12. Vic

    Circumcision in the flesh was the sign of God's Old Covenant with Abraham; since Jesus Christ, circumcision is in the spirit by faith, the New Covenant.

    Galatians 5:6
    "6 For in Christ Jesus neither circumcision nor uncircumcision means anything, but faith working through love." (NASB)

    March 4, 2014 at 7:03 pm |
    • Austin

      Hey did you see how they took the part about saul requiring david to be humiliated or die, and they posted it out as if saul is the leader of tradition?

      Wow ! Going to a depth that low ......

      March 4, 2014 at 7:31 pm |
      • derado8

        To be fair Austin I was part of that discussion and I don't even know who Saul was.

        March 4, 2014 at 7:39 pm |
        • Austin

          Very well i can understand then that . Being fair will always be an as.set to anyone who reveals that honesty .

          I am very happy for you!

          March 4, 2014 at 8:20 pm |
      • TruthPrevails1

        Hey Vic, Did you see where Austin had a dream that the president was killed all in the name of his religion??? Isn't that taking your religion to a whole new low (kind of like Austin's IQ)?

        March 4, 2014 at 8:16 pm |
        • Akira

          Wait, what? I read he was a black Russian mole SSA, but he killed the prez for the prez's religion or the Black Russian mole's?

          Look, I want to get this straight so if it DOES come to pass, I will say so in defense of this one event. I'm EO.

          March 4, 2014 at 8:22 pm |
        • Austin

          In the name of my religion he was killed? No it was a russian.

          What a poe.

          Ahahaha.

          March 4, 2014 at 8:24 pm |
        • TruthPrevails1

          Austin: Everything in your mind is the result of your religion...be it god or satan. You actually didn't mention anything about it being Russian but did say CIA and then stated that you called in your delusion to the FBI.

          March 4, 2014 at 8:26 pm |
        • Akira

          Austin, then the prez wasn't shot in the name of religion, right? Good.

          Also, do yo know what a Poe is? It doesn't have to do with Edgar Allen, and it has nothing to do with anything TP just said. I mean no disrespect, but it would be wise to use words correctly.

          March 4, 2014 at 8:30 pm |
        • TruthPrevails1

          Austin: Let me rephrase this: You seem to have a track of thought that says everything good is god, everything bad is satan....right? So if the president was shot, would that not have been due to the shooter being controlled by satan or could it be that the shooter believed god told him to do it?

          As for the definition of POE:
          A person who writes a parody of a Fundamentalist that is mistaken for the real thing. Due to Poe's Law, it is almost impossible to tell if a person is a Poe unless they admit to it.
          ie; "The Bible is true because it's the inerrant word of God! I know because the Bible says so! Glory!"
          Is this guy serious? He's got to be a poe.

          Dictionaries are useful tools.

          March 5, 2014 at 7:30 am |
    • Akira

      So why would Saul demand 100 of them?

      March 4, 2014 at 7:37 pm |
      • derado8

        Don't get me started I'll start laughing again and make Austin mad at me.

        March 4, 2014 at 7:40 pm |
      • Austin

        Saul was trying to get David killed!

        Thats what the whole story us about. The next paragraph and the whole story is about saul being demonically tormented and thus he terrorizes david.

        Saul was king and david had a huge heart dispite being humiliated.

        March 4, 2014 at 8:29 pm |
        • Akira

          I know that Saul was trying to get David killed, but why would Saul demand 100 things from people that wasn't a part of the Covenant? Why not, say, an ear?

          March 4, 2014 at 8:35 pm |
        • derado8

          Well I hope David got his revenge in the end.

          March 4, 2014 at 9:40 pm |
    • Vic

      Be careful about that crazy talk guys! You cannot joke about the President like that, it is a 'Federal Crime.' The next thing you know, you would be on the ground face down with shackles!

      March 4, 2014 at 9:16 pm |
      • Austin

        Ok.
        It has always been about a dream and i cant contol anything truth prevails invents.

        And i did email the fbi.

        Why? Because i have dreamed about crimes before i found out the actually happened.

        Paul says "hold on to what is good" "test the spirits wether they are from God" and sift through it.

        It also says to use interpretor. So the gift takes patience. Its not lile the ot prophets or direct revelation.

        March 4, 2014 at 10:30 pm |
        • TruthPrevails1

          Invents??? I'm not the one who had the dream and in turn admitted to the dream on a public forum and then reported the dream to the FBI believing it to be real. Seems you are the one inventing things in your crazed mind. I'm doubting the FBI took you seriously and I'm wondering if they put you on a watch list as a direct result of your report.
          Stop passing the fault when you're the one making fallacious claims and lying constantly.

          March 5, 2014 at 7:40 am |
    • realbuckyball

      Yeah the covenant he never kept.
      The "covenant" was that the polytheistic Hebrews agreed to worship ONE god, if he would help them in battle. (Yahweh was a war god). Too bad he did such a poor job.

      March 4, 2014 at 10:37 pm |
  13. Bradley

    1 Corinthians
    17 Nevertheless, each person should live as a believer in whatever situation the Lord has assigned to them, just as God has called them.
    This is the rule I lay down in all the churches.

    18 Was a man already circ!mcised when he was called?
    He should not become uncirc!mcised. Was a man uncirc!mcised when he was called? He should not be circ!mcised.

    19 Circ!mcision is nothing and uncirc!mcision is nothing. Keeping God’s commands is what counts.

    20 Each person should remain in the situation they were in when God called them.

    March 4, 2014 at 4:22 pm |
    • Bradley

      Keeping God’s commands is what counts.

      March 4, 2014 at 4:23 pm |
      • TruthPrevails1

        Only to those who are not capable of living a good moral life without the help of an immoral book.

        March 4, 2014 at 4:42 pm |
        • Austin

          So you are successfully moral biblically speaking in every way?

          Or does the bible condemn behavior that you subscribe to?

          March 4, 2014 at 6:56 pm |
        • TruthPrevails1

          Austin: The bible does not pertain to me. Unlike you I am able to tell right from wrong without it.

          March 4, 2014 at 8:10 pm |
        • Austin

          Truth prevails....are you a male or female?

          March 4, 2014 at 7:00 pm |
        • TruthPrevails1

          Gee Austin, does it really matter what gender I am? How does that pertain to this?

          March 4, 2014 at 8:10 pm |
        • Austin

          Truth prevails. The law was righteouss. No one could obey it. It was written so that you could see that you are failing Gods standard.

          Thus we are all immoral sinners. No one is morally good.

          Would God be perfect or righteouss or holy?

          March 4, 2014 at 7:12 pm |
        • TruthPrevails1

          No Austin, I am not a sinner. Sin is only pertinent to those who are silly enough to believe in it and who feel they require help to be moral.

          March 4, 2014 at 8:11 pm |
        • Doris

          Oh nonsense, Austin.

          Austin: "It was written so that you could see that you are failing Gods standard."

          I would say it was written as a way to control people to conform to an early code of ethic based on the superstitions of people that came before. And so on, and so on, going backwards.

          Austin: "Thus we are all immoral sinners. No one is morally good."

          You see yourself and others like that. Many people don't see it that way. Many people always see room for improvement in their lives, but to start off as an assumed sinner? Lol. MANY people do not assume that notion.

          Austin: "Would God be perfect or righteouss or holy?"

          Well first you have to prove your God exists, then you might have a chance proving what his ethic would be, the existence of moral absolute "truths", free will, omnipotence, etc. etc. But you just haven't done that so your claims are just conjecture. Regardless of your personal experience, you're not going to convince a non-believer in a medium such as this unless you can come up with something no one has come up with before. You're not going to do it discussing dreams in this medium. You just sound silly.

          March 4, 2014 at 7:51 pm |
      • igaftr

        You know what god commands? Do tell.
        All I have ever seen is what men claim god wants. It is in every religious text, but I see nothing from any gods.

        March 4, 2014 at 4:51 pm |
        • Austin

          You reject Gods claim that he authored the Word. We are talking about God not gods.

          Igaftr is playing disinformation games .

          March 4, 2014 at 7:06 pm |
        • Akira

          How can one reject what one does not believe in?

          I don't believe in unicorns. Does that mean I reject them?

          March 4, 2014 at 7:45 pm |
        • derado8

          I think he believes that belief is a choice

          March 4, 2014 at 8:03 pm |
        • Akira

          Ah. Like being gay or deciding what to have for dinner. (Lasagna's in the oven. Easy choice.)

          March 4, 2014 at 8:16 pm |
        • TruthPrevails1

          Oh look Austin forgot how to use a dictionary again!

          March 4, 2014 at 8:17 pm |
        • Akira

          Austin, you have a blog. You really should be chronicling these dreams as they happen; why aren't you?

          March 4, 2014 at 8:26 pm |
      • Blessed are the Cheesemakers

        Brad,

        You would have to show, and be able to verify what god commanded....not just what some human SAID he commanded.

        March 4, 2014 at 8:53 pm |
      • realbuckyball

        God has no commands. What you have is human invented stuff, that they *claim* god commanded. Now if you're gullible ... you actually buy into it.

        March 4, 2014 at 10:38 pm |
    • Blessed are the Cheesemakers

      Ummm....how does one get "uncircu.mcised"? Can you glue is back one? That thing has to be not much more than goo after a day or 2...

      March 4, 2014 at 8:51 pm |
      • Akira

        Just think about how smelly 200 of those bitty bits smelled after a few days in the desert heat. Appetizing.

        March 4, 2014 at 9:01 pm |
        • Austin

          I cant stop thinking about the smell.

          March 4, 2014 at 10:03 pm |
      • Doris

        Well plus you wouldn't want to become aroused while things are healing. That could be tricky. I guess you'd have to sit and read Lamentations over and over again.

        March 4, 2014 at 9:07 pm |
  14. Donald Shimoda

    Don't be dismayed at good-byes. A farewell is necessary before you can meet again. And meeting again, after moments or lifetimes, is certain for those who are friends.

    March 4, 2014 at 4:20 pm |
  15. Donald Shimoda

    The mark of your ignorance is the depth of your belief in injustice and tragedy.

    March 4, 2014 at 4:07 pm |
  16. Donald Shimoda

    What the caterpillar calls the end of the world, the master calls a butterfly.

    March 4, 2014 at 4:04 pm |
    • Akira

      Ah. Richard Bach.

      March 4, 2014 at 4:07 pm |
      • Donald Shimoda

        Good one Akira. AB

        March 4, 2014 at 4:08 pm |
        • Akira

          I'm more than a pretty face, Donald. 😉

          March 4, 2014 at 5:01 pm |
        • Donald Shimoda

          That you are.

          March 4, 2014 at 5:37 pm |
      • Blessed are the Cheesemakers

        "Ahhhh...Baaach"

        M.A.S.H.

        March 4, 2014 at 9:28 pm |
  17. Apple Bush

    The answer to all of life's questions lies in the true nature of infinity.

    March 4, 2014 at 3:42 pm |
  18. Apple Bush

    Dread, pounding and singing unfortunately into my eye where the pain is worst the pointiest words are doing their pointing and I want to cry my tears but that would be death and I couldn’t afford to be dead, not when life was better kind of so I steeled myself, screwed up my forehead and leapt out of the dryer along with some clinging pantyhose and that is when I saw her boots and that is when my nose was broken on her boots but soon that would be the best broken nose I had ever had so far that day so I had no one next to me at the hospital and when she came to visit I fell in love.

    The smell like someone jamming two large needles a good deal up into your nasal cavity and then taking them out and then jamming them back in the diaper had to be changed though so I learned along with the wonder and amazement of responsibility in the life of a little universe just learning about how wonderful and talented it is and all it had to do was be born and stuff just worked unless the cuts came but I did let that happen not when homosexuals could get married and marijuana was legal now to remove the guns and evangelicals and live in peace with the other people.

    I swam with the prehistoric fish and they were so breath taking that my heart pounded like it would thump out of chest I felt as if I was the only human on Earth or I new some special truth now that no one had ever seen before me right here and now behind these tourist parking places where they paint graffiti on the natural entrance to the pristine lake of prehistoric fish that only I knew how to enter the corner, you have to lift up the corner of the water and slip in that way it is better when you are naked kind of like jello but less viscous and you have perfect eyesight.

    It was love like the waves lapping on to shore and you are the shore and the waves are lapping on you but they do not get you wet because you do not get wet you only enjoy and all things are enjoyable which makes life perfect and you are perfect and the love you feel in your heart makes you want to cry all the time and sometimes you do cry because you are so happy the feelings must be expressed or it could have let the final headache be painful so you fall asleep and stay asleep.

    March 4, 2014 at 3:37 pm |
  19. Dyslexic doG

    Jesus was just David Koresh 2000 years earlier. A sociopathic conman with a good story and lots of charisma. All this foolishness, without a shred of proof, has sprung up from there.

    utter, mind numbing nonsense.

    March 4, 2014 at 3:29 pm |
    • realbuckyball

      ya ya ya. But was he circu'mcized ?

      March 4, 2014 at 10:40 pm |
  20. lunchbreaker

    Has onyone seen the newer Thor movie? I haven't decided whether to pay $5.99 to rent it on demand or just buy the dvd. How's the rewatchability?

    March 4, 2014 at 3:28 pm |
    • igaftr

      I did see it in Imax 3d...I don't remember much of it if that tells you anything.

      March 4, 2014 at 3:39 pm |
    • Alias

      A little more action and a little less humor than the other recent Marvel movies.
      I did buy it, but I used my daughter as a scapegoat. 😉

      March 4, 2014 at 3:50 pm |
      • lunchbreaker

        Now I wonder. I was just going to rent it, but my wife suggested buying it. Hmmmmm...

        March 4, 2014 at 4:14 pm |
        • derado8

          It came on TV and I fell asleep in the middle of it. I'd save the money.

          March 4, 2014 at 7:04 pm |
    • AtheistSteve

      Biased opinion here but I can rewatch any Marvel movie several times just for the giddy joy of seeing my comic book heroes in live action. Loki steals the show....that alone makes it worth buying the DVD.

      March 4, 2014 at 5:28 pm |
      • AtheistSteve

        Didn't think anything would be able to withstand or repel Mjölnir . Thor gets much more mileage out of his trusty hammer this go around.

        March 4, 2014 at 5:33 pm |
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