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March 20th, 2014
11:14 AM ET

Does the Big Bang breakthrough offer proof of God?

Opinion by Leslie A. Wickman, special to CNN

(CNN) The remarkable discovery, announced this week, of ripples in the space-time fabric of the universe rocked the world of science - and the world of religion.

Touted as evidence for inflation (a faster-than-the-speed-of-light expansion of our universe), the new discovery of traces of gravity waves affirms scientific concepts in the fields of cosmology, general relativity, and particle physics.

The new discovery also has significant implications for the Judeo-Christian worldview, offering strong support for biblical beliefs.

Here's how.

The prevalent theory of cosmic origins prior to the Big Bang theory was the “Steady State,” which argued that the universe has always existed, without a beginning that necessitated a cause.

However, this new evidence strongly suggests that there was a beginning to our universe.

If the universe did indeed have a beginning, by the simple logic of cause and effect, there had to be an agent – separate and apart from the effect – that caused it.

That sounds a lot like Genesis 1:1 to me: “In the beginning God created the heavens and the Earth.”

So this latest discovery is good news for us believers, as it adds scientific support to the idea that the universe was caused – or created – by something or someone outside it and not dependent on it.

MORE ON CNN: Big Bang breakthrough announced; gravitational waves detected

Atheist-turned-agnostic astronomer Fred Hoyle, who coined the term “Big Bang,” famously stated, “A common sense interpretation of the facts suggests that a superintellect has monkeyed with physics."

As Hoyle saw it, the Big Bang was not a chaotic explosion, but rather a very highly ordered event – one that could not have occurred by random chance.

We also need to remember that God reveals himself both through scripture and creation. The challenge is in seeing how they fit together. A better understanding of each can inform our understanding of the other.

It’s not just about cracking open the Bible and reading whatever we find there from a 21st-century American perspective. We have to study the context, the culture, the genre, the authorship and the original audience to understand the intent.

The creation message in Genesis tells us that God created a special place for humans to live and thrive and be in communion with him; that God wants a relationship with us, and makes provisions for us to have fellowship with him, even after we turn away from him.

So, we know that Genesis was never intended to be a detailed scientific handbook, describing how God created the universe. It imparts a theological, not a scientific, message.

(Imagine how confusing messages about gravity waves and dark matter might be to ancient Hebrew readers.)

As a modern believer and a scientist, when I look up at the sky on a clear starry night, I am reminded that “the heavens declare the glory of God” (Psalm 19:1). I am in awe of the complexity of the physical world, and how all of its pieces fit together so perfectly and synergistically.

In the Old Testament book of Jeremiah, the writer tells us that God “established (his) covenant with day and night, and with the fixed laws of heaven and earth.”

These physical laws established by God to govern interactions between matter and energy result in a finely tuned universe that provides the ideal conditions for life on our planet.

As we observe the complexity of the cosmos, from subatomic particles to dark matter and dark energy, we quickly conclude that there must be a more satisfying explanation than random chance. Properly practiced, science can be an act of worship in looking at God’s revelation of himself in nature.

If God is truly the creator, then he will reveal himself through what he’s created, and science is a tool we can use to uncover those wonders.

Leslie Wickman is director of the Center for Research in Science at Azusa Pacific University. Wickman has also been an engineer for Lockheed Martin Missiles & Space, where she worked on NASA's Hubble Space Telescope and International Space Station programs. The views expressed in this column belong to Wickman. 

- CNN Belief Blog

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  1. realbuckyball

    I sure hope no one is actually paying tuition for this sort of drivel, from Wickman.
    he new discovery also has significant implications for the Judeo-Christian worldview, offering strong support for biblical beliefs. Ancient human desert dwellers wrote Genesis, so anything that "sounds like" it is bound to be wrong. They had no clue how the universe came to be the way it is, and neither does Wickman. There is no "prevalent steady state" universe theory, and in fact the many worlds, and multiple universes are as popular as anything. It doesn't matter. Without data, its all an argument from ignorance, and "god of the gaps". Even IF the universe had a beginning, there is NO reason an omnipotent deity could not have made a race of robot universe-makers, There is in Kalam (as dumb as it is), that is inconsistent with this. There is also no reason a continually expanding/contracting universe is inconsistent with the new finding. "Simple logic" has been proven to NOT be the way fundamental Reality works. It also sounds a lot like "The FSM created the world in the beginning". An ACT of creation requires (a priori) time. Acts require planning, and have a beginning. That in itself refutes the use of the words "creator/creation". They are meaningless in this context.
    It's "good news" only for those weak in their faith who tremble in the face of science.
    The robots did it. They were outside it and not dependent on it.

    March 20, 2014 at 10:58 pm |
    • ssq41

      Notice how many "engineers" are Creationists/IDers?

      March 20, 2014 at 11:00 pm |
      • Blessed are the Cheesemakers

        I have certainly noticed that.

        March 20, 2014 at 11:55 pm |
  2. islamistheanswer

    @kenmargo: You are right! I am not going through what my brothers and sisters are going through in Syria. The least I can do now is to supplicate to ALLAH to remove their hardships and ease their situation. To address your comment, I lived through a war myself and I can tell you, it is a trying time and no fun. I am not sure if you had been through war. If not, similar to the majority of Americans and Canadians, then it is easy for you to understand what war looks like or feels like.

    March 20, 2014 at 10:46 pm |
    • Akira

      Answer this.
      Why can’t the different Islamic sects stop fighting each other?

      I remain unconvinced that “tribes” have anything to so with it when it is the same Quran.

      March 20, 2014 at 10:51 pm |
      • islamistheanswer

        Sorry this was a duplicate post. I answered the question in the below thread. Below is a copy:
        @Akira: Thank you for the excellent question. There are two main sects in Islam : Sunni and Shi-te. Any fighting you see today is stemming from the fact that there is a desire for dominance and power grap. I explained in an earlier post that Shi-tes believe that leadership and power need to belong to the offspring of the Prophet Mohammed's family (Peace and Blessing be upon him and his family). As such, Iran and Hizbullah in Lebanon in addition to Assad regime (offshoot of Shi-te) are all teaming up for their existence and domination of the region. The others are Sunni in general and hence the constant hostility. The irony is that the Sunni countries are generally supported by the United States of America whereas the Shi-te regimes and factions are supported by Russia – go figure what can go wrong!

        March 20, 2014 at 10:54 pm |
        • ssq41

          Thus, my contention that religion is politics by other means. (With a nod toward von Clausewitz).

          March 20, 2014 at 10:59 pm |
        • Akira

          Is domination and the control of the same adherents</I found in the Quran? And isn't Assad Alawite? How can ANY religion reconcile geonocide of its adherents?

          March 20, 2014 at 11:05 pm |
        • islamistheanswer

          Why do you assume that the dictators who are in control of the region today are adherents of Islam? I am Sunni but I have said once and again that The Saudi government for one is the biggest scam in the history of Islam (Royal family that is). As for Alwites, I mentioned that they are an offshoot of Shi-tes so they are not even considered Muslims by Sunnies. They don't pray the five daily prayers (one of the pillars of Islam) as an example.

          March 20, 2014 at 11:11 pm |
        • Akira

          HTML fail, Akira.
          Tired. Sorry.

          March 20, 2014 at 11:12 pm |
        • islamistheanswer

          No problem. Intent understood.

          March 20, 2014 at 11:18 pm |
        • realbuckyball

          Islam is a moon-god cult. The Arabs worshiped the god Sin. Sin had 3 divine daughters. In the original Quran, the "Satanic Verses" said the exact same thing about Allah. Coincidence ?
          Nope.

          March 21, 2014 at 11:57 pm |
        • islamistheanswer

          First of all, The Quran came to eradicate the ignorance that the Arab lived in during those times (It did). All the Gods you talk about were pre-Islamic. Islam came and reaffirmed the ONE God who sent all the Prophets and Messengers (Peace and Blessings be upon them all) so please stop saying nonsense.

          As for the "Satanic Verses" in the Quran, I am not aware of any! If you know of some, share them with us in this forum and let's decipher them to at least learn from you and understand what you mean by your post (forgive me. As you mentioned, I need to learn history so I look forward to learning some from you – don't forget the references though).

          March 22, 2014 at 12:07 am |
    • kenmargo

      @Islam................Didn't you say earlier it was a "blessing". Now you're saying "The least I can do now is to supplicate to ALLAH to remove their hardships and ease their situation".

      Make up YOUR MIND. This is why I'm not religious. Different people do different things despite reading the same book and if you ask them. They'll both say they are right.

      Time to go. Good NIght all and be safe during your travels.

      March 20, 2014 at 11:04 pm |
      • islamistheanswer

        I never said it was a blessing. I said that while it is horrific and a hardship, it may be a blessing for some. This in no way prevents me from at least helping my brothers and sisters with a supplication to ALLAH. Thanks for your questions today kenmargo. Good night to you too!

        March 20, 2014 at 11:06 pm |
    • Reality

      Quick starting the educational process for islamtheanswer: (he or she has yet to refute any of this)

      from the studies of Armstrong, Rushdie, Hirsi Ali, Richardson and Bayhaqi--

      The Five Steps To Deprogram 1400 Years of Islamic Myths:

      ( –The Steps take less than two minutes to finish- simply amazing, two minutes to bring peace and rationality to over one billion lost souls- Priceless!!!)

      Are you ready?

      Using "The 77 Branches of Islamic "faith" a collection compiled by Imam Bayhaqi as a starting point. In it, he explains the essential virtues that reflect true "faith" (iman) through related Qur’anic verses and Prophetic sayings." i.e. a nice summary of the Koran and Islamic beliefs.

      The First Five of the 77 Branches:

      "1. Belief in Allah"

      aka as God, Yahweh, Zeus, Jehovah, Mother Nature, etc. should be added to your self-cleansing neurons.

      "2. To believe that everything other than Allah was non-existent. Thereafter, Allah Most High created these things and subsequently they came into existence."

      Evolution and the Big Bang or the "Gi-b G-nab" (when the universe starts to recycle) are more plausible and the "akas" for Allah should be included if you continue to be a "crea-tionist".

      "3. To believe in the existence of angels."

      A major item for neuron cleansing. Angels/de-vils are the mythical creations of ancient civilizations, e.g. Hitt-ites, to explain/define natural events, contacts with their gods, big birds, sudden winds, protectors during the dark nights, etc. No "pretty/ug-ly wingy thingies" ever visited or talked to Mohammed, Jesus, Mary or Joseph or Joe Smith. Today we would classify angels as f–airies and "tin–ker be-lls". Modern de-vils are classified as the de-mons of the de-mented.

      "4. To believe that all the heavenly books that were sent to the different prophets are true. However, apart from the Quran, all other books are not valid anymore."

      Another major item to delete. There are no books written in the spirit state of Heaven (if there is one) just as there are no angels to write/publish/distribute them. The Koran, OT, NT etc. are simply books written by humans for humans.

      Prophets were invented by ancient scribes typically to keep the un-educated masses in line. Today we call them for-tune tellers.

      Prophecies are also invali-dated by the natural/God/Allah gifts of Free Will and Future.

      "5. To believe that all the prophets are true. However, we are commanded to follow the Prophet Muhammad (peace and blessings be upon him) alone."

      Mohammed spent thirty days "fasting" (the Ramadan legend) in a hot cave before his first contact with Allah aka God etc. via a "pretty wingy thingy". Common sense demands a neuron deletion of #5. #5 is also the major source of Islamic vi-olence i.e. turning Mohammed's "fast, hunger-driven" hallu-cinations into horrible reality for unbelievers.

      Walk these Five Steps and we guarantee a complete recovery from your Islamic ways!!!!

      Unfortunately, there are not many Muslim commentators/readers on this blog so the "two-minute" cure is not getting to those who need it. If you have a Muslim friend, send him a copy and help save the world.

      Analogous steps are available at your request for deprogramming the myths of Christianity, Judaism, Buddhism, Hinduism and Paganism..

      March 20, 2014 at 11:27 pm |
  3. Vic

    ♰ ♰ ♰ Jesus Christ Is Lord ♰ ♰ ♰

    Do you know what's faster than the speed of light, or anything for that matter?

    The "Spoken Word," The "Breath" of God Almighty, The Father, Son (Lord Jesus Christ) And Holy Spirit.

    That's how this creation came to pass.

    Early on:
    http://religion.blogs.cnn.com/2014/03/20/does-the-big-bang-breakthrough-offer-proof-of-god/comment-page-2/#comment-2968150

    March 20, 2014 at 10:37 pm |
    • realbuckyball

      Actually it didn't.
      Saying "came about" (an action phrase), is meaningless in the absence of (a priori) spacetime.
      Maybe the "about", ...... but not the "came" part.
      Think before you spout drivel, Victoria.

      March 20, 2014 at 10:44 pm |
  4. Vic

    ♰ ♰ ♰ Jesus Christ Is Lord ♰ ♰ ♰

    Do you know what's faster than the speed of light, or anything for that matter?

    The "Spoken Word," The "Breath" of God Almighty, The Father, Son (Lord Jesus Christ) And Holy Spirit.

    Early on:
    http://religion.blogs.cnn.com/2014/03/20/does-the-big-bang-breakthrough-offer-proof-of-god/comment-page-2/#comment-2968150
    That's how this creation came to pass.

    March 20, 2014 at 10:33 pm |
    • Doris

      Uh Vic, I think you left out the Keebler elves. If you win an Evangelical Fortune Cookie Company award, you'd better know who to thank.

      March 20, 2014 at 10:41 pm |
      • G to the T

        And Santa – how else can he visit every home in one night?

        March 23, 2014 at 2:47 pm |
    • thekelvinator

      That's how the lunch I had yesterday came to pass too!

      March 21, 2014 at 1:53 pm |
  5. Reality

    "Azusa Pacific University is a comprehensive, evangelical, Christian university located 26 miles northeast of Los Angeles, California."

    And now we know why the author's comments are severely tainted.

    Now for some reality regarding the time line issues with the bible i.e. the 6000 year life of the human species.

    As per National Geographic's Genographic project:

    https://www3.nationalgeographic.com/genographic/

    " DNA studies suggest that all humans today descend from a group of African ancestors who about 60,000 years ago began a remarkable journey. Follow the journey from them to you as written in your genes”.

    "Adam" is the common male ancestor of every living man. He lived in Africa some 60,000 years ago, which means that all humans lived in Africa at least at that time.

    Unlike his Biblical namesake, this Adam was not the only man alive in his era. Rather, he is unique because his descendents are the only ones to survive.

    It is important to note that Adam does not literally represent the first human. He is the coalescence point of all the genetic diversity."

    o More details from National Geographic's Genographic project: https://genographic.nationalgeographic.com/

    "Our spe-cies is an African one: Africa is where we first ev-olved, and where we have spent the majority of our time on Earth. The earliest fos-sils of recognizably modern Ho-mo sapiens appear in the fossil record at Omo Kibish in Ethiopia, around 200,000 years ago. Although earlier fossils may be found over the coming years, this is our best understanding of when and approximately where we originated.

    According to the genetic and paleontological record, we only started to leave Africa between 60,000 and 70,000 years ago. What set this in motion is uncertain, but we think it has something to do with major climatic shifts that were happening around that time—a sudden cooling in the Earth’s climate driven by the onset of one of the worst parts of the last Ice Age. This cold snap would have made life difficult for our African ancestors, and the genetic evidence points to a sharp reduction in population size around this time. In fact, the human population likely dropped to fewer than 10,000. We were holding on by a thread.

    Once the climate started to improve, after 70,000 years ago, we came back from this near-extinction event. The population expanded, and some intrepid explorers ventured beyond Africa. The earliest people to colonize the Eurasian landma-ss likely did so across the Bab-al-Mandab Strait separating present-day Yemen from Djibouti. These early beachcombers expanded rapidly along the coast to India, and reached Southeast Asia and Australia by 50,000 years ago. The first great foray of our species beyond Africa had led us all the way across the globe."

    March 20, 2014 at 9:07 pm |
  6. sealchan

    Although, as a believer, I appreciate some of the article's perspectives on the relationship between science and faith, I do not agree that the Big Bang vs Steady State distinction offers any proof of God. From a logical consequence of how God is usually understood as all-knowing, all-powerful, etc He could have as easily created a Steady State universe or a universe set in motion as a Big Bang. Also, from a scientific point of view random and ordered are not anything like irreconcilable opposites. As the new science of complexity demonstrates, order and chaos have an intriguingly close relationship. In fact, we could see in the progressive discoveries in physics and cosmology, a story of how a trickster God keeps showing us new tricks through the endless depth of His creation. Now we can see that a formerly Newtonian, mechanistic world-view can appear at one level as a sort of practical, useful illusion generated by at a deeper level by a relativistic, quantum world-view.

    March 20, 2014 at 7:08 pm |
    • kudlak

      God could have created everything as it's actually described in the Bible too. He could have created the earth surrounded by water, and actually surrounded by it over and under. He could have created an actual "firmament" with holes in it for the light of the stars and for the rain to leak through from the water outside (of the stars).

      Actually, that is how the ancient Hebrews thought the "universe" was structured and it would have made more sense for their God to make something so economical rather than a super vast, almost completely empty expanse with us just a tiny island. And people think that Costco uses too much packaging.

      March 20, 2014 at 7:34 pm |
      • sealchan

        If religion were only as humble as science we could learn to appreciate it when religion changes its story just as we do when science does. But that's precisely why people leave those old medieval insti-tutions.

        What my metaphor means to indicate is that just as we all experience changes, welcome and unwelcome, in our lives, the wise position to take is to relate to it all as if there was someone playing tricks on us. This trickster metaphor is a long-standing, cross-cultural spiritual idea that helps us to have the proper atti-tude towards the vicissitudes of life. If anyone is doubting science's integrity, for instance, we could say, well science has to be as precise and complex as the (supposed) God who created the world it studies. It has to keep up with "Coyote". And since we know God (or the Universe, Coyote the creator, etc) to be a trickster, this properly sets our expectations. This is the value of myth/spirituality.

        March 20, 2014 at 7:51 pm |
        • ausphor

          sealchan
          Love the analogy of mother earth and how we should look after it and hold it precious. Not something our controlling religions hold as truth. It is all about wealth and power and spirit for profit.

          March 20, 2014 at 8:04 pm |
        • kudlak

          The religious tend not to see their faith as changing, but ever more sharply focusing upon the actual truth. Of course, every generation, including those old unfocused ones, also usually feel that they're the ones who are seeing the sharpest image. Nobody says, "We think we know a lot about God, but there's just so much that we don't know, and we could be completely wrong."

          March 20, 2014 at 8:12 pm |
        • islamistheanswer

          @kudlak: regarding your last statement, I am not sure believers should say that they know a lot about God. The fact is that we know very little (if that) about God. The other part of your statement is of course not possible since the truth is always supported by evidence and proof – the Quran being the one for Muslims.

          Going back to the knowledge of God. If you have read my earlier posts, you would understand that our realization of God is limited to our 4 dimensional universe. That is, we only comprehend God with our brains that are limited to this universe. Science tells us that there are universes as many as up to 11 dimensions (mathematically at least). We live in a 4th dimensional universe. Can you imagine what it would be like to be in a 5th dimensional universe? Mad, isn't it? What is that 5th dimension? We fail to even know that let alone knowing the 11th dimension. Now, since we fail miserably to understand and comprehend these realities, our understanding of the Creator is yet very limited. We don't encompass ALLAH (God) for he is the Greater of all. However, His Being is veiled from us through his attributes (all-Hearing, All-knowing, etc) but those attributes in themselves are only intellectual realizations for many of us (they get to actual understanding for some) and they are also veiled from us through the actions of God. The actions that we see in our universe..

          You might ask, how does the Quran for example link you to God? The answer is, God uses a 4 dimensional language to speak to 4 dimensional creatures. The revelation came to fit and suit our actual level of comprehension and understanding. Hope this helps!

          March 20, 2014 at 9:15 pm |
        • kudlak

          islamistheanswer
          Our brains may be limited, but they also happen to have the incredible capacity to imagine other possible realities. All of our fiction, and a great many works that are claimed to be factual, are all possible only because we have imaginations. So, in the absence of any actual, objective evidence for him, how can you distinguish God from a complete creation of human imagination?

          March 20, 2014 at 9:30 pm |
        • islamistheanswer

          Talking about the brains and while we are at it. I want to share with you a scientific discovery that the Quran talked about 1400 years ago and Muslims were perplexed by the meaning of this particular verse. It described the forelock (frontal lobe) of the brain of someone who used to curse the prophet Mohammed (Peace and Blessings be upon him) as being a lying and sinful. It is not until the 20th century that science uncovered that this part of the brain is the part that is the center of decision to control man’s actions of truthfulness, lying, right, wrong, balance or perversion. Brilliant, isn't it?

          Allah the Almighty speaks of Abu Jahl in the Quran(an inveterate enemy of Islam, who used to insult prophet Mohammad (PBUH) and his followers) :

          “No Indeed; surely, if he gives not over, We shall seize him by the forelock, a lying, sinful forelock!” (96 : 15-16)

          Our Prophet used to supplicate to God with the following supplication : “O, my Lord I am Your slave and the son of Your slave and the son of Your bondmaid, my forelock is at Your Hands, … "

          Above in addition to many other scientific discoveries that have been stated in the Quran that was revealed 1400 years ago are one strong reason any logical person would believe in its authenticity and trust that this book is from God and that God exists!

          March 20, 2014 at 10:14 pm |
    • Doris

      "God keeps showing us new tricks through the endless depth of His creation."

      That's a very interesting perspective. I sometimes have wondered if the more Deist or Spinoza god concept could be followed to the idea that a creative force jump-started this universe only to move on to a new project, maybe never to return, but I like the notion that such a creative force might still be around but perhaps, building on your notion, re-inventing itself and perhaps expanding the internal complexity of this universe as well as time goes on.

      March 20, 2014 at 8:41 pm |
      • ssq41

        Hindu cosmology is kinda cool.

        March 20, 2014 at 9:37 pm |
  7. bostontola

    Why didn't the bible, koran, or any other creation story mention symbiosis? God creates the species, poof, that's it. No mention of webs, symbiosis or anything like that. Humans can't live without their symbionts, we are not stand alone creatures. Our DNA will not result in a self sufficient animal. That's a pretty imortant detail. Other animals and plants are the same.

    Humans didn't know that when these religions were created. If God tipped us off about that, we would have been better stewards of the environment and had healthier diets. Not only that, if God revealed that unknown fact, that life is intertwined inextricably, there could be no doubt that God exists. This would have been information only available from a God or at least an advanced life form.

    But nope, nothing like that. In fact there is nothing in sacred texts that was unknown at the time. There is no fingerprint of an advanced life form/God. All the tortured interpretations that people do after the fact to shoehorn va.gue text into now known facts won't change that simple fact:

    All the cretaion stories and the creators are gross simplifications of what really happened. They don't reflect divine revelation, they reflect humans grasping at straws. To believe in these creation stories and creators is like going to a doctor for a leech treatment.

    March 20, 2014 at 7:07 pm |
  8. Vic

    ♰ ♰ ♰ Jesus Christ Is Lord ♰ ♰ ♰

    March 20, 2014 at 7:00 pm |
    • ramblingsofnihility

      Jesus Christ is Lord Voldemort

      March 20, 2014 at 7:17 pm |
    • Madtown

      To some, certainly. To others, he's a name they're not acquainted with.

      March 20, 2014 at 7:26 pm |
    • ausphor

      Vic
      the same lies and BS you posted below. Without an apologist site, what are you religious or believer or troll.

      March 20, 2014 at 7:28 pm |
    • kudlak

      And Ronald Wilson Reagan was the antichrist.

      Don't believe me, just count the number of letters in each of his names!

      March 20, 2014 at 8:31 pm |
      • MidwestKen

        You mean it wasn't Arnold Daniel Palmer?

        And all this time wasted on golf, damn!

        March 20, 2014 at 9:29 pm |
        • kenmargo

          lol

          March 20, 2014 at 9:38 pm |
        • kudlak

          Sarah Louise Palin works out to be short an average IQ score.

          Oooh, I just got a chill!

          March 20, 2014 at 9:56 pm |
      • kudlak

        Actually, antichrists were originally the heretics and preachers of false gospels. When Paul uses the term he most probably meant the apostles Peter and James, or their allies, who were going to his churches and preaching that his Christians needed to convert to Judaism before they would become actual followers of Christ. Constantine and Augustine would later rejuvenate this theme by calling splinter Christian groups (the heretics) antichrists. The one thing that is apparent is that "antichrist" becomes a convenient label to slap on your rivals and enemies.

        March 20, 2014 at 9:39 pm |
        • MidwestKen

          but... I'm confused, neither James nor Peter have 6 letters.

          March 20, 2014 at 9:51 pm |
        • kudlak

          I don't know about James, but the Latin form of Peter is Petrus.

          March 20, 2014 at 10:00 pm |
        • Vic

          After Apostle Paul rebuked Apostle Peter, Apostle Peter conceded, that is included in the Book of Acts, Chapter 9. Also, Apostle James conceded to Apostle Paul at the Council of Jerusalem.

          Apostle Paul did not call Apostles Peter and James anti-Christs.

          March 20, 2014 at 10:13 pm |
        • Akira

          Wonder why people were so eager to take the word of someone who had never met Jesus over those who actually walked/were related to Him.

          Rebuked. Ha. I wonder if it ever occurred to Saul that HE may have been wrong?

          March 20, 2014 at 10:43 pm |
        • Akira

          *never met Jesus alive, that is.

          March 20, 2014 at 10:47 pm |
        • Doris

          Well and Saul may have not even understood his own mind in terms of right or wrong. I mean some food gone bad and some people from one city who are tired of hearing you getting you drunk. Those fevers can make someone see all kinds of crazy things....

          March 20, 2014 at 10:48 pm |
  9. Blessed are the Cheesemakers

    From the above opinion piece....

    "If the universe did indeed have a beginning, by the simple logic of cause and effect, there had to be an agent – separate and apart from the effect – that caused it."

    How does the logic of "cause and effect" point to an "agent"....logic would point to a "cause" and a "cause" does not require an agent. Her claim of logic lacks "logic".

    March 20, 2014 at 6:55 pm |
    • ssq41

      Agent 99? Agent orange? State Farm agent?

      March 20, 2014 at 9:47 pm |
      • Blessed are the Cheesemakers

        "Missed it by... tthatt much!"

        March 20, 2014 at 10:35 pm |
        • ssq41

          hehehehe....

          March 20, 2014 at 10:43 pm |
  10. islamistheanswer

    Are you surprised!

    This is indeed a great story and breakthrough and it is a moment of rejoicing but not for the believers but rather for the Atheists and Agnostics for getting closer to the answer of whether God exists and whether there is a Supreme Being! As for the believers (whether from Judeo-Christian backgrounds or Muslims), the rejoicing happened the moment they learned about God and embraced the message. You see my dear friends, we are created from two parts: a physical body and a soul. Each of those parts requires certain necessities to survive. While the first (physical body) has tangible requirements like food and drink, the later (soul) requires a different type of necessities – namely our connection to our creator (God). The soul that is not connected to the creator is “dead” indeed and to be fair souls of some believers are “ill” and for some they are “healthy” (depending on the level of connection to God).

    Now, back to the subject of the recent discovery and that the universe had a beginning. While the old testament and the bible (as in the new testament) refer to the creation of the heavens and earth (as well as the Quran for Muslims), I find it humbling that the Quran went even further to attest to the WAY this creation took place (in other words the Big bang theory is a testament to this verse).

    Have those who disbelieved not considered that the heavens and the earth were a joined ent-ity, and We separated them and made from water every living thing? Then will they not believe? (21:30)

    The above verse not only has the revelation of how the creation started but also has another scientific evidence (all in one verse) that water is at the essence of every living thing! The Arabic word used in the Quran for the separation of the heaven and the earth is loosely translated to "ruptured".

    This is just an example but I would like to urge you to read this with an open heart and mind. This aforementioned verse is very humbling and if read without some of the
    preconceived notions we have about Islam and Muslims (which are mostly untrue), you will find how logical and convincing this verse alone to the existence of God who revealed this holy book. For such information to exist in a book that was revealed 1400 years ago is mind boggling and perplexing at a time where technology didn't exist to examine the universe and its creation. With this in mind it can only be adequate to conclude that those words are not the words of man but rather the words of the creator. Below I am pasting the following verses to the above which continue in listing some of the creation of God and asking those who disbelief why they disbelief?

    And We placed within the earth firmly set mountains, lest it should shift with them, and We made therein [mountain] passes [as] roads that they might be guided. (31) And We made the sky a protected ceiling, but they, from its signs, are turning away. (32)And it is He who created the night and the day and the sun and the moon; all [heavenly bodies] in an orbit are swimming. (33) And We did not grant to any man before you eternity [on earth]; so if you die – would they be eternal? (34) Every soul will taste death. And We test you with evil and with good as trial; and to Us you will be returned. (35)

    The above verses include more signs for us to ponder about. Starting with the purpose of mountains in the earth (another scientific miracle in the Quran). The roots of which were only discovered recently with recent technologies. Also, the ORBITING of the sun and the moon and the creation of the day and night. Please take the time to read this and read it again. Anyone who is logical and rational would not take these verses lightly!

    My dear friends (atheists, agnostics, Christians Jews and some Muslims). I want to share with you another verse from the Quran in which ALLAH talks about the efforts of people in this earth who think they are doing good while indeed their efforts are wasted (in the sight of the creator).

    "Say (O Muhammad SAW): "Shall We tell you the greatest losers in respect of (their) deeds?(103) "Those whose efforts have been wasted in this life while they thought that they were acquiring good by their deeds! (104) "They are those who deny the Ayat (proofs, evidences, verses, lessons, signs, revelations, etc.) of their Lord and the Meeting with Him (in the Hereafter). So their works are in vain, and on the Day of Resurrection, We shall not give them any weight. (105)" Quran Chapter 18

    My God guide us all to the right path and enable us to be among those whose labor and efforts are not squandered thinking that we are doing well. It behooves all of us after hearing the above to leave the mockery, arrogance and vanity aside and ponder above the aforementioned and heed the admonition.

    March 20, 2014 at 6:51 pm |
    • islamistheanswer

      Are you surprised!

      This is indeed a great story and a breakthrough and it is a moment of rejoicing but not for the believers but rather for the Atheists and Agnostics for getting closer to the answer of whether God exists and whether there is a Supreme Being! As for the believers (whether from Judeo-Christian backgrounds or Muslims), the rejoicing happened the moment they learned about God and embraced the message. You see my dear friends, we are created from two parts: a physical body and a soul. Each of those parts requires certain necessities to survive. While the first (physical body) has tangible requirements like food and drink, the later (soul) requires a different type of necessities – namely our connection to our creator (God). The soul that is not connected to the creator is “dead” indeed and to be fair souls of some believers are “ill” and for some they are “healthy” (depending on the level of connection to God).

      Now, back to the subject of the recent discovery and that the universe had a beginning. While the old testament and the bible (as in the new testament) refer to the creation of the heavens and earth (as well as the Quran for Muslims), I find it humbling that the Quran went even further to attest to the WAY this creation took place (in other words the Big bang theory is a testament to this verse).

      Have those who disbelieved not considered that the heavens and the earth were a joined ent-ity, and We separated them and made from water every living thing? Then will they not believe? (21:30)

      The above verse not only has the revelation of how the creation started but also has another scientific evidence (all in one verse) that water is at the essence of every living thing! The Arabic word used in the Quran for the separation of the heaven and the earth is loosely translated to "ruptured".

      This is just an example but I would like to urge you to read this with an open heart and mind. This aforementioned verse is very humbling and if read without some of the preconceived notions we have about Islam and Muslims (which are mostly untrue), you will find how logical and convincing this verse alone to the existence of God who revealed this holy book. For such information to exist in a book that was revealed 1400 years ago is mind boggling and perplexing at a time where technology didn't exist to examine the universe and its creation. With this in mind it can only be adequate to conclude that those words are not the words of man but rather the words of the creator. Below I am pasting the following verses to the above which continue in listing some of the creation of God and asking those who disbelief why they disbelief?

      And We placed within the earth firmly set mountains, lest it should shift with them, and We made therein [mountain] passes [as] roads that they might be guided. (31) And We made the sky a protected ceiling, but they, from its signs, are turning away. (32)And it is He who created the night and the day and the sun and the moon; all [heavenly bodies] in an orbit are swimming. (33) And We did not grant to any man before you eternity [on earth]; so if you die – would they be eternal? (34) Every soul will taste death. And We test you with evil and with good as trial; and to Us you will be returned. (35)

      The above verses include more signs for us to ponder about. Starting with the purpose of mountains in the earth (another scientific miracle in the Quran). The roots of which were only discovered recently with recent technologies. Also, the ORBITING of the sun and the moon and the creation of the day and night. Please take the time to read this and read it again. Anyone who is logical and rational would not take these verses lightly!

      My dear friends (atheists, agnostics, Christians Jews and some Muslims). I want to share with you another verse from the Quran in which ALLAH talks about the efforts of people in this earth who think they are doing good while indeed their efforts are wasted (in the sight of the creator).

      "Say (O Muhammad SAW): "Shall We tell you the greatest losers in respect of (their) deeds?(103) "Those whose efforts have been wasted in this life while they thought that they were acquiring good by their deeds! (104) "They are those who deny the Ayat (proofs, evidences, verses, lessons, signs, revelations, etc.) of their Lord and the Meeting with Him (in the Hereafter). So their works are in vain, and on the Day of Resurrection, We shall not give them any weight. (105)" Quran Chapter 18

      May God guide us all to the right path and enable us to be among those whose labor and efforts are not squandered thinking that we are doing well. It behooves all of us after hearing the above to leave the mockery, arrogance and vanity aside and ponder about the aforementioned and heed the admonition.

      March 20, 2014 at 6:57 pm |
      • kenmargo

        Why isn't Allah doing a better job of keeping muslims and arabs from blowing themselves up. If allah is supposed to "take care of Israel" why hasn't he done it. Why hasn't allah stopped dictators from killing his own people (ex. Assad in syria) I doubt islam is the answer.

        March 20, 2014 at 7:08 pm |
        • islamistheanswer

          Not sure if you can see my response above as it says, the post is await moderation!

          March 20, 2014 at 7:31 pm |
        • kenmargo

          Oh I can see it.

          March 20, 2014 at 7:37 pm |
        • Doris

          lol@ken

          I'm just reading every thirteenth line to see if it makes any sense...

          March 20, 2014 at 8:24 pm |
        • kenmargo

          @Doris..........Am I lying? Muslims praise Allah every chance they get. Like christians with their god, he gets none of the blame when things go wrong. Am I missing something?

          March 20, 2014 at 8:31 pm |
        • Doris

          lol – no I don't think you're missing anything, ken. I think you're spot on.

          March 20, 2014 at 9:21 pm |
        • islamistheanswer

          Blame? You see, when this life is your ONLY life (or so you believe), then everything that happens herein is all what you are aware of. If you believe in retribution for example and the hereafter, then this life is nothing but a quick stop. Going back to your question of God getting the blame, I have a question for you. Is gaining weight bad or good? By now, I hope you answered, "It depends". For someone who is skinny and really need to add weight, it is GOOD. For someone who is overweight, then it is bad. Similarly, what is your scale of judging what is good and what is bad for you.

          I know you are thinking that what's happening around us nowadays doesn't need brains to figure out the horrific scenes we see and witness with our own eyes. What happens to Hitler? What happens to terrorists who kill innocent people? Without the notion of retribution, nothing makes sense. What prevents us from doing bad and dominate in this world? What I am trying to say is that I personally know people who are going through the events in Syria today and for some going through this time has been a blessing. A Blessing? I imagine the shock in your face but it is a blessing for that some people learned the reality of this life! The reality that this life is temporary and nothing is everlasting but the hereafter. So the only solution is to persevere and observe patience for whatever God has ordained for you, you will get!

          March 20, 2014 at 9:23 pm |
        • In Santa We Trust

          islam, Are you saying that fear of retribution in an afterlife is all that is preventing you from murder or terrorist attacks?

          March 20, 2014 at 9:27 pm |
        • kenmargo

          @Islam.... What I am trying to say is that I personally know people who are going through the events in Syria today and for some going through this time has been a blessing. A Blessing? I imagine the shock in your face but it is a blessing for that some people learned the reality of this life! The reality that this life is temporary and nothing is everlasting but the hereafter.

          I can't help but notice you're not over there enjoying their "blessing"

          March 20, 2014 at 9:36 pm |
        • Akira

          Why can't the different Islamic sects stop fighting each other?

          I have been curious about this for decades.

          I remain unconvinced that "tribes" have anything to so with it when it is the same Quran.

          March 20, 2014 at 10:25 pm |
        • islamistheanswer

          @In Santa We Trust: So that you know, the punishment for the one who kills in Islam is perhaps the worst for a Muslim. Muslims don't go to heaven directly. All will be judged based on their deed in this life (with the Mercy of God, some will be admitted to the heaven). Those who are punished in the hell-fire dwell there for a length of time that is only known to ALLAH and then they are admitted to heaven. Those who kill deliberately will have an everlasting life in the hell-fire. This also applies to the one who is killed if he is involved in a fight that results in his/her death. So to answer your question: No. It is not the fear of retribution that prevents me and Muslims from doing anything bad, it is actually the awareness of the existence of ALLAH who created us and bestowed upon us all those blessings and bounties that makes me ashamed to do anything wrong while he is aware of what I do! Also, it is the love of Prophet Mohammed (Peace and Blessings be upon him) that makes me want to imitate him in the way he walked this life!
          Since you asked this question, I would like for your to listen to this 4 minute poem that summarizes the virtues of a Muslim and to answer exactly you question!

          http://youtu.be/Ad1XQL7zAqI

          March 20, 2014 at 10:42 pm |
        • islamistheanswer

          @kenmargo: You are right! I am not going through what my brothers and sisters are going through in Syria. The least I can do now is to supplicate to ALLAH to remove their hardships and ease their situation. To address your comment, I lived through a war myself and I can tell you, it is a trying time and no fun. I am not sure if you had been through war. If not, similar to the majority of Americans and Canadians, then it is easy for you to understand what war looks like or feels like.

          March 20, 2014 at 10:46 pm |
        • islamistheanswer

          @Akira: Thank you for the excellent question. There are two main sects in Islam : Sunni and Shi-te. Any fighting you see today is stemming from the fact that there is a desire for dominance and power grap. I explained in an earlier post that Shi-tes believe that leadership and power need to belong to the offspring of the Prophet Mohammed's family (Peace and Blessing be upon him and his family). As such, Iran and Hizbullah in Lebanon in addition to Assad regime (offshoot of Shi-te) are all teaming up for their existence and domination of the region. The others are Sunni in general and hence the constant hostility. The irony is that the Sunni countries are generally supported by the United States of America whereas the Shi-te regimes and factions are supported by Russia – go figure what can go wrong!

          March 20, 2014 at 10:52 pm |
      • islamistheanswer

        You may ask, “Does it matter if my soul is “dead”?” The answer is SURE! A simple analogy that I can give you is the feeling of anxiety and depression while they are chemical to some, they are a direct consequence of the ailment of the heart and consequently the soul of a human being. You might be surprised if I were to tell you that there are human beings who are free of diseases such as the ones mentioned (depression, anxiety, fear, etc) but does that mean you have to believe to be free from those ailments? Of course not.. An atheist friend of mine tells me that he is very happy in life and that he doesn't understand why "believers" are bothered by his choice of life. I want to share with you my response as we have many Atheists in this forum.

        Believers are not bothered by your choice. They share with you the faith and the revelation out of genuine concern. They are enjoying the way of life that has been prescribed to them from ALLAH (God) and they want that goodness to spread among humans. The feelings of happiness, tranquility and content are the result of belief and direct "contact" with God. It is an obligation to let the people around know about the message, however that is the extent a believer would go. Beyond that, every soul is responsible for its own decisions and way of life! The choice is all yours.

        March 20, 2014 at 7:38 pm |
        • kenmargo

          Do you honestly believe muslims are happy in the middle east? It's probably the most war torn region in the world. The economy is in shambles, Women are treated like third class citizens, ruled by dictators etc. Does that look like a place I'd like to worship in? NO THANKS.

          March 20, 2014 at 7:55 pm |
        • islamistheanswer

          Why do you tie worship to the Middle East? God is the God of the entire universe and is worshiped in every corner of this planet (every corner indeed). The fact that humans inflict harm upon themselves and others is in no means a reflection of the essence of the religion they follow especially if they are not PRACTICING! All what you have mentioned is what our hands have earned from mischief and injustice (See verse below). The realizations in the Quran and the word of God are unfortunately nothing but intellectual realities (including a lot of Muslims). They are not understood and implemented in people's lives as it was intended by God. Those who take those verses seriously though are the ones who are happy..

          And among His Ayat (proofs, evidences, lessons, signs, etc.) is the creation of the heavens and the earth, and whatever moving (living) creatures He has dispersed in them both. And He is All-Potent over their assembling (i.e. resurrecting them on the Day of Resurrection after their death, and dispersion of their bodies) whenever He will. (29) And whatever of misfortune befalls you, it is because of what your hands have earned. And He pardons much. (See the Quran Verse 35:45). (42:30)

          March 20, 2014 at 8:07 pm |
        • Alias

          Ever hear of painting with a broad brush?
          Maybe you should stop listening to propaganda and visit a muslim counrty. Or even a muslim community in this counrty?

          March 20, 2014 at 8:05 pm |
        • islamistheanswer

          What is your logic? Up until the middle ages Muslims were at the pinnacle of advancement and civilizations! Does that mean Islam was different back then compared to today? No! It is the same faith, different people. When the people don't follow the revelation of God, the result is clear as seen today. Extremism is a classic example of the lack of knowledge in the religion and ignorance is another example – both plaguing the Muslim World. I don't deny that.. My message and advice to you though, don't bank on the acts of humans to evaluate a faith or anything for that matter!

          March 20, 2014 at 8:12 pm |
        • kenmargo

          Good to see Alias is back. I can kill two birds with one stone.

          When those planes flew into the twin towers that was propaganda
          The suicide bombings through out the middle east. Propaganda
          Dictators. Propoganda
          Assad killing his own people. Propaganda
          Women forced to walk around looking like mummies. Propaganda
          I could go on but I wouldn't want to spread propaganda.

          From Islam is the answer:
          Extremism is a classic example of the lack of knowledge in the religion and ignorance is another example – both plaguing the Muslim World. I don't deny that.. My message and advice to you though, don't bank on the acts of humans to evaluate a faith or anything for that matter!

          Their faith is the reason they're doing what they do! They read the same Quran and that is their interpretation! I can only go by what I see! You're asking me to ignore what I see through my own eyes! You admit the problem yourself. Just read what YOU WROTE!

          March 20, 2014 at 8:27 pm |
        • islamistheanswer

          How did you conclude that THEIR FAITH IS THE REASON THEY ARE DOING WHAT THEY DO? What is their FAITH? Some educating is required here. The interpretation of the Quran is not up to individuals to go about doing. Unlike the Bible that you perhaps is mostly familiar with, the Quran has volumes of explanations of the circu-mstances in which verses are revealed and their ap-plicabili-ty. If someone decides they won't take by those circu-mstances and decides to read verses out of context, it is their PROBLEM and they don't represent the faith in itself. I am not asking you to ignore what's happening today around the world because of fanatics who call themselves Muslims but I am asking you to be wiser than just submitting to believing that those acts are a result of them following their FAITH (not sure how you came to know they follow their faith). You clearly showed that you don't know much about this faith. Please read the following verse about what it means to kill someone in Islam (Period):

          O you who have believed, do not consume one another's wealth unjustly but only [in lawful] business by mutual consent. And do not kill yourselves [or one another]. Indeed, Allah is to you ever Merciful. (4:29)

          Then Allah sent a crow searching in the ground to show him how to hide the disgrace of his brother. He said, "O woe to me! Have I failed to be like this crow and hide the body of my brother?" And he became of the regretful. (31) Because of that, We decreed upon the Children of Israel that whoever kills a soul unless for a soul or for corruption [done] in the land – it is as if he had slain mankind entirely. And whoever saves one – it is as if he had saved mankind entirely. And our messengers had certainly come to them with clear proofs. Then indeed many of them, [even] after that, throughout the land, were transgressors. (32) Chapter 5

          This became the law in Islam as well!

          March 20, 2014 at 8:40 pm |
        • noisomep

          I must reply to the statement:
          Up until the middle ages Muslims were at the pinnacle of advancement and civilizations! Does that mean Islam was different back then compared to today?

          The middle ages started at the time of or before Islam became a religion. So people in the Middle East were at the pinnacle of advancement UNTIL Islam came into the picture, according to your statement. During the period Islam came into the picture, the Chinese were the pinnacle of civilization.

          Peace is what this world needs, and even to defend a religion, peace should be maintained. The struggle we all must face, but to face peacefully we must.

          March 20, 2014 at 8:39 pm |
        • islamistheanswer

          Thank you for the correction noisomep. I meant the golden age which spaned the 8th to the 13th centuries. I can't agree more with your last statement that what humanity needs is peace and nothing but peace.. In another post I had in an earlier article, I elaborated on this further.. We shouldn't be blindly defending our faiths and religions and we should be reasonable as God created us with this amazing part of our body: the brain to reason and articulate!

          March 20, 2014 at 8:55 pm |
        • kenmargo

          How did you conclude that THEIR FAITH IS THE REASON THEY ARE DOING WHAT THEY DO?

          Simple. According to witnesses that survive the bombings. They hear ALLAH AKBAR, then they hear BOOM!

          March 20, 2014 at 8:52 pm |
    • Span.k Your Imam

      islamisthespammer, do not be selling the Islam serially here as such and so voluminously without mentioning spanking intensively. Officiating imam and brothers and sisters must be spanked to red posteriority before and after embracing actions.

      Both buttcheeks of embracers must receive high frequency applications at significant vigorousness and amplitude to cause bright blushness. Imams should receive such spanking thusly in triplicate. Sitting difficulties will proceed but temporarily if Allah is willing and healing of reddishness is granted.

      Thus it is spanken.

      Here it is written and must be so.
      Here it is written and must be so.

      March 20, 2014 at 8:32 pm |
      • islamistheanswer

        What are you talking about? Sad for the time you took to type the above as it makes no sense and does nothing but reflect your level of literacy!

        March 20, 2014 at 8:50 pm |
        • enderspeakerforthedead

          The same goes for the Quran and the Bible.......sad that so much time was wasted upon them as they are nonsensical and reflects your understanding of reality.

          July 12, 2014 at 11:52 am |
        • islamistheanswer

          Have you read the Quran? This is the reality check you should have. You never read the Quran and you have no problem speaking about it. Truly a reflection of your level of maturity and literacy. I urge you to read it and then make judgement calls about it.

          August 3, 2014 at 1:50 pm |
        • gadlaw2012

          Nice to see this discussion keeps on going and sending me notifications. Someone names 'enderspeakerforthedead' said something about not being able to speak to what's in the Quran if you haven't read it and understood it. That was funny as heck, what's to 'know' about a delusional fairy tale written in support of a child molester? There can be nothing in there to enlighten, to educate or bring people to any understanding of what is good and moral. The book and it's contents can be dismissed as the fevered ravings of frightened bronze age fanatics.

          August 3, 2014 at 2:34 pm |
        • islamistheanswer

          Consistent ignorance demonstrated by you and many others who chose to speak about things they have no clue about but through inferences and uneducated guesses. You said, "delusional fairy tale written in support of a child molester." Care yo elaborate how you decided to call the Quran a "fairy tale"? I have said repeatedly in this forum and others, don't let your experience of the bible instigate you to form opinions about other books on the mere ground of similarity (pure ignorance). Child Molester? I hope you have some decent background and an understanding of the context from which you contend that the Prophet Peace and Blessings upon him is a child molester.

          I can tell you that there is a lot in the Quran to enlighten, educate and bring people to ALL understanding of what is good and moral. As a matter of fact, there doesn't exist any book that has evidence and guidance like the Quran in the world today (and up until this point). Dare to challenge? Be my guest and I would be willing to help you become educated and informed so that you base your opinions in the future on facts and not rambling and empty claims.I await your response.

          August 3, 2014 at 3:48 pm |
        • enderspeakerforthedead

          Read it years ago....it is as phony as the bible, dear sir.

          August 4, 2014 at 4:43 am |
        • islamistheanswer

          Care to quote examples to share with our dear readers. Always curious as to what you considered "phony".

          August 4, 2014 at 10:23 am |
        • enderspeakerforthedead

          You can start with the first word on page one and keep going to you run out of words on the last page. One "BIG" quote for you.

          August 4, 2014 at 10:43 am |
        • islamistheanswer

          In other words, you can't quote a single verse that instigated your earlier comments. Good for you!

          August 4, 2014 at 10:14 pm |
        • enderspeakerforthedead

          I do not eat garbage either. Why would I quote it? Once you start repeating dogma you have removed yourself from the conversation. Original thoughts are more interesting than the ramblings of madmen.

          August 5, 2014 at 4:43 am |
        • igaftr

          " Always curious as to what you considered "phony"."

          Man-made
          fictional
          unverifiable claims of the supernatural
          baseless nonsense without a single thing to back it up
          made up stories to scare children.

          Phony.
          What does phony mean to you?

          August 4, 2014 at 10:50 am |
        • enderspeakerforthedead

          pho·ny
          [ fṓnee ]

          1.not genuine: not genuine and used to deceive
          2.giving false impression: putting on a false show of something such as sincerity or expertise
          3.somebody or something phony: a phony person or thing

          Good enough?

          August 4, 2014 at 6:22 pm |
  11. tbreeden

    "The prevalent theory of cosmic origins prior to the Big Bang theory was the 'Steady State,' which argued that the universe has always existed, without a beginning that necessitated a cause."

    Welcome to almost a hundred years ago, Leslie. Suggestion for your next article: "Bloodletting – Cure or Complication?"

    March 20, 2014 at 6:45 pm |
    • sealchan

      That is going back a ways isn't it.

      March 20, 2014 at 7:32 pm |
    • Vic

      With all due respect, that is a take of untrained ear. Leslie's take well trained and professional.

      That's the difference between proven science and theories. Albert Einstein theorized about Gravitational Waves back in 1916 but they were never proven. This is the first time in history they detect what they believe are the theorized Gravitational Waves that are proof of expansion of the universe. And, still yet, this discovery will go through great scrutiny before it is confirmed.

      Theoretical Physics is NOT proven science.

      March 20, 2014 at 8:02 pm |
      • Vic

        "With all due respect, that is a take of an untrained ear. Leslie's take is well trained and professional."

        March 20, 2014 at 8:04 pm |
        • ausphor

          Vic
          Isn't lying a sin in your delusion?

          March 20, 2014 at 8:08 pm |
      • MidwestKen

        @Vic,
        With all due respect, no science is "proven".

        This not the first evidence that the universe is expanding nor will it likely be the last. This is more an additional piece of positive evidence for the standard model rather than an expanding universe.

        However, none of that is one iota of positive evidence towards god(s) or deities.

        March 20, 2014 at 9:11 pm |
      • In Santa We Trust

        The expansion of the universe was measured in the 1960's and the original calculation that lead to the theory was about a hundred years ago. Big Bang has been the accepted theory for decades.

        March 20, 2014 at 9:12 pm |
  12. awabnavi

    Regarding CREATION the Quran said it best - "21:30 Have not those who disbelieve known that the heavens and the earth were of one piece, then We parted them, and We made every living thing of water? Will they not then believe?" - "then we parted them", BIG BANG?

    March 20, 2014 at 6:35 pm |
    • bostontola

      You have a great imagination. I enjoy peotry also, everyone has a different interpretaion of the meaning.

      March 20, 2014 at 6:40 pm |
      • islamistheanswer

        Interesting that everyone who reads it understands it only ONE way but you contend that it is understood differently by different people. What do you base your claim on? Can you offer alternative meanings for what you just read? Would be interesting to understand your rational and comprehension of this particular verse. Please read my post above too for more details in regard to this.

        March 20, 2014 at 7:34 pm |
        • bostontola

          Now that is funny. Why didn't a Muslim get the Nobel Prize in physics for discovering the Big Bang then? Why not hundreds of years ago? If everyone read it that way, Muslims have known about the Big Bang for centuries?

          March 20, 2014 at 8:31 pm |
        • islamistheanswer

          Don't belittle this! The fact that you knew and proving it through scientific methods are two different things! Wouldn't you agree? My friend, you took Algebra in school but what you might know is that Algebra came together by a MUSLIM. The first official encyclopedia in Medicine was put together by a MUSLIM (you guessed it right). Knowledge and advancement of research is an indication of how nations and people value time and are dedicated in improving the universe around them. We as Muslims are ORDERED to do this but unfortunately, people are sleeping and dreaming within the realms of cultural preferences and tribal attachments.

          Quran and Status of Knowledge

          Allah will raise those who have believed among you and those who were given knowledge, by degrees. And Allah is Acquainted with what you do. (58:11)

          March 20, 2014 at 8:46 pm |
        • islamistheanswer

          Don't belittle this! The fact that you knew and proving it through scientific methods are two different things! Wouldn't you agree? My friend, you took Algebra in school but what you might know is that Algebra came together by a MUSLIM. The first official encyclopedia in Medicine was put together by a MUSLIM (you guessed it right). Knowledge and advancement of research is an indication of how nations and people value time and are dedicated in improving the universe around them. We as Muslims are ORDERED to do this but unfortunately, people are sleeping and dreaming within the realms of cultural preferences and tribal attachments.
          Quran and Status of Knowledge
          Allah will raise those who have believed among you and those who were given knowledge, by degrees. And Allah is Acquainted with what you do. (58:11)
          By the way, you are not “given Knowledge” while sitting and home and collecting benefits from the government. You are given knowledge by the will of God first and your efforts therein.

          March 20, 2014 at 8:48 pm |
        • MidwestKen

          @islamistheanswer,
          Sure, while the poster seems to think that "parting" means the Big Bang, to me it seems silly to think that the Big Bang would come after heaven and already exist and likely was just and rationalization of where land came from, i.e. splitting the oceans from the sky.

          March 20, 2014 at 9:44 pm |
    • kudlak

      The universe didn't "part" so much as it expanded. Tell me, was it always translated this way from the original, or only recently to help it appear more advanced?

      March 20, 2014 at 6:45 pm |
    • kenmargo

      The Quran? You're really asking for it. We rip christians like a sheet of paper, are you sure you want to deal with us?

      March 20, 2014 at 6:46 pm |
      • islamistheanswer

        Poor Christians. Not surprised at all. However, based on your comment above regarding my post, I am not sure which sheet of paper you are talking about.

        March 20, 2014 at 7:29 pm |
        • kenmargo

          I just speak my mind. You won't agree, but you'll know where I stand.

          March 20, 2014 at 8:01 pm |
        • islamistheanswer

          Disagreements are always respected and are healthy. We can always agree to disagree.

          Say, "O disbelievers, (1) I do not worship what you worship. (2) Nor are you worshippers of what I worship. (3) Nor will I be a worshipper of what you worship. (4) Nor will you be worshippers of what I worship. (5) For you is your religion, and for me is my religion." (6) Chapter of the Disbeliever 109

          March 20, 2014 at 8:16 pm |
    • MidwestKen

      Wait, so the big bang came after the heavens and earth already existed. How's that work?

      March 20, 2014 at 9:13 pm |
  13. bostontola

    wilburw7,
    What kind of scientist are you?

    March 20, 2014 at 6:34 pm |
  14. zendraxus

    Would be highly interesting to find out how she connects the dots from the explosion 13.7 billion years ago to the writings of a specific, relatively small region on a planet on one of the spiral arms of one of the hundreds of billions of galaxies billions of years later.

    As neil degrasse tyson pointed out, each of our great mathematicians and scientists throughout the centuries reached their limit and declared God did it .....only to have the next guy push though that barrier, reach their own limit ...and claim the same.....This lady has the benefit of history and science at her finger tips, and judging by her credentials is no stranger to the scientific process, and still fell into the same trap.....

    sam harris said that it is possible to be so well educated that you could construct a nuclear device and believe there are a great reward waiting for you in the great beyond.....

    March 20, 2014 at 6:30 pm |
    • kenmargo

      There's an old saying "God works in mysterious ways" Which is code for I have no clue! People that simply declare god did it are taking the lazy way out, have no answer and hope the person they're talking to is foolish enough to believe it.

      March 20, 2014 at 6:44 pm |
    • kudlak

      Wouldn't it be rather arrogant to claim that your knowledge of a subject was second only to God's? Basically the same as saying that you brought knowledge to the limit of human capability. So few people seem to be able to humbly imagine that people could expand their work.

      March 20, 2014 at 6:51 pm |
  15. Doris

    wilbur: "The Bible says that bad things happen to good people because life is a test, trial,"

    This is one of the reasons I think we have a separation of church and state. There are a lot of folk who consider this life as the real deal and don't want it dirtied up with others in your face trying to make you enjoy it less in preparation for something else.

    March 20, 2014 at 5:52 pm |
    • kenmargo

      According to willl burrr life is a test. Well tests do come to an end. When will testing be over? Who gives a passing grade? When do you get a passing grade. Do you get your grade when you die? I'd rather keep failing and live than get a passing grade and die.

      March 20, 2014 at 6:05 pm |
    • kudlak

      More like experimentation, and rather unequal experimentation at that. Some people have very poor lots in life and others seem to have all the advantages. If God is testing people he isn't doing it very fairly.

      March 20, 2014 at 6:54 pm |
  16. wilburw7

    I use to wonder why God throws atheists in hell. Now I think hell is wherever the atheists are,and God is not. If there is one atheist on earth that is not a jerk, I haven't met him.

    March 20, 2014 at 5:27 pm |
    • I'm not a GOPer, nor do I play one on TV

      And a very pleasant Thursday evening to you too sir.

      March 20, 2014 at 5:30 pm |
    • Doris

      Now wilburrr, now I feel left out...

      March 20, 2014 at 5:30 pm |
      • Doris

        I guess all my male atheist friends are in hell leaving me here to wonder – why me?

        March 20, 2014 at 5:34 pm |
        • Doris

          Sorry – I did misread this one. Evidently I am in hell, but not a jerk.

          March 20, 2014 at 5:37 pm |
    • Sungrazer

      So you are in hell right now?

      March 20, 2014 at 5:31 pm |
    • Alias

      You probably have met atheists you like. Gays too.
      Unless you do a very careful screening of all the people you meet.

      March 20, 2014 at 5:34 pm |
    • MidwestKen

      @wilburw7,
      Was there a point to this post, or is name calling your last recourse?

      March 20, 2014 at 5:35 pm |
    • ausphor

      Wilbur
      Go ahead feel as paranoid as you possibly can, it must be obvious by now, nobody likes you.

      March 20, 2014 at 5:39 pm |
    • Akira

      You are a scientist?
      In what field?

      March 20, 2014 at 5:41 pm |
    • doobzz

      Aren't you the one who was posting all that "You're going to hell and it'll serve you right" stuff a day or two ago? And you're calling other people jerks? LOL!

      Christian hypocrite.

      March 20, 2014 at 5:47 pm |
    • kudlak

      wilburw7
      Are you seriously implying that Christians are less likely to be jerks than atheists?

      March 20, 2014 at 6:57 pm |
    • Blessed are the Cheesemakers

      Love your enemies and all that.... right Wilbur?

      March 20, 2014 at 7:00 pm |
    • LinCA

      @wilburw7

      You said, "I use to wonder why God throws atheists in hell."
      Since it is about as likely to exist as the Tooth Fairy, it most likely doesn't.

      You said, "Now I think hell is wherever the atheists are,and God is not."
      You are correct about there not being any gods, as they are nowhere, but it is pretty pleasant where I am.

      You said, "If there is one atheist on earth that is not a jerk, I haven't met him."
      What is it that makes you think atheists are jerks? Is it because they keep debunking the nonsense that you spout? Is it that they won't let you win? Is it that all of your arguments fall flat against theirs? Maybe the problem is with you. Maybe, if you listen to their arguments and reevaluate your own.

      Just FYI, I'm one of the nicest persons you could meet. Just ask my friends. Maybe we should meet for coffee.

      March 20, 2014 at 7:14 pm |
    • Madtown

      I use to wonder why God throws atheists in hell.
      ----
      He doesn't, at least not for simply being atheist. Now, if they take another person's life maybe, but certainly not for the "sin" of not following a certain human created religious system.

      March 20, 2014 at 7:47 pm |
    • ssq41

      "Hell is other people..." – Jean-Paul Sartre

      March 20, 2014 at 9:49 pm |
    • ssq41

      "...The atheist is closer to God than the believer..." – Simone Weil, mystic

      March 20, 2014 at 9:54 pm |
  17. I'm not a GOPer, nor do I play one on TV

    "(Imagine how confusing messages about gravity waves and dark matter might be to ancient Hebrew readers.)"

    Or 21st century fundamenalist evangelical Protestants for that matter.

    March 20, 2014 at 5:27 pm |
    • kudlak

      They would have had hundreds of years to figure it out, just like people have been working on the actual meanings of the various biblical prophecies. Difference is, had the Bible actually held real scientific information it all would have actually begun to be (really) confirmed over time, making it impossible to deny the accuracy of scripture.

      When we sent Voyager into space we included accurate scientific information on that disk because we realized, as intelligent as we are, that other intelligent beings would recognize this in us. Why didn't God do the same thing?

      March 20, 2014 at 7:03 pm |
  18. wilburw7

    ramblingsofnihility wrote: "Just a brain fart maybe?"

    Yes it was. But go easier on yourself. Go back and reread my statement few times. Eventually you will understand what I wrote without the brainfart.

    March 20, 2014 at 5:14 pm |
    • Akira

      Aren't you the clever one to take this completely out of context and start a new thread.

      March 20, 2014 at 5:20 pm |
    • Doris

      I did see one meaningful thing in that post of yours on the previous page, wilburrrr:

      "I speculate"

      I agree.

      March 20, 2014 at 5:20 pm |
      • Doris

        (and I was quoting wilburrrr there)

        March 20, 2014 at 5:21 pm |
      • wilburw7

        Speculation is OK as long as you know that is what you are doing. When you write "I speculate" that clearly shows you know that is what you are doing. Right?

        March 20, 2014 at 5:29 pm |
        • Doris

          I believe this is true, wilburrrr. Of course, if people would respond in the proper place, all of that would be clear – you know being able to look up and bit and actually see what ramblingsofnihility had written that you are still referencing here....

          March 20, 2014 at 5:40 pm |
    • I'm not a GOPer, nor do I play one on TV

      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HoqSas2uFKw

      Oh, sorry, you said "brain" fart.

      March 20, 2014 at 5:28 pm |
  19. Vic

    In my own words, for what it's worth:

    The Null Hypothesis CAN NEVER BE PROVEN. Test/Experiment Data can only Accept or Reject a certain null hypothesis based on set criteria.

    The nature of Subatomic Particles —i.e. Elementary Particles and Composite Particles— is not observable (unobservable,) it can only be detected indirectly through effects/manners.

    Elementary Particles, aka Quarks, are not observable and can never be found in singularity/isolation but make up Composite Particles, aka Hadrons.

    Composite Particles, aka Hadrons, are made of Elementary Particles, aka Quarks. Stable forms of Hadrons are Protons and Neutrons found inside the nuclei of atoms.

    Also, the Higgs Boson Particle, aka the God Particle, and the Higgs Field, CANNOT BE OBSERVED/FOUND, yet believed to be what gives mass to particles when interacted with, hence effect/manner.

    One argument against the Null Hypothesis concerning God, but not limited to, can be that Elementary Subatomic Particles, aka Quarks, can never be observed nor can they be found in singularity/isolation, yet they can be detected by what they make up, that is Composite Subatomic Particles, aka Hadrons.

    God, whose null hypothesis is 'God Does Not Exist,' is Metaphysical, just like Consciousness, Mind, Soul, Spirit, etc., that cannot have Empirical Evidence. However, they can be detected by what they do, cause, affect, and exhibit —i.e. intelligence, design, creation, attributes, etc., and through Reason and Logic, hence effects/manners.

    Science CANNOT even find the Origin of Matter, let alone the Origin of Life. That's why the Scientific Community is 'DESPERATE' to find the "ELUSIVE" Higgs Boson Particle, aka God Particle, and the Higgs Field, which are believed to give matter its mass when interacted with. Without those, the Origin of Matter is "UNKNOWN" as far as Science is concerned, and The Particle Physics Standard Model is rendered 'INCOMPLETE,' mind you what's missing is the "CORE!" That's in a nutshell.

    This Universe and Life in it (PHYSICAL) ARE "Prima Facie" EVIDENCE Of God (METAPHYSICAL)

    March 20, 2014 at 4:33 pm |
    • kenmargo

      In my own words, for what it's worth:

      Vic, Your words aren't worth much. It doesn't prove anything.

      March 20, 2014 at 4:39 pm |
    • joey3467

      Didn't someone just win a nobel prize after the Higgs Boson was found?

      March 20, 2014 at 4:47 pm |
      • Vic

        That's a common misconception, and CERN warned against premature conclusion right after the announcement back in 2011.

        basically, what was found is a new Higgs Boson particle that exhibited similarities with the sought after Higgs Boson Particle, aka, the God Particle, which is the Particle Physics Standard Model Higgs Boson Particle, a scalar, spin-0—without a spin.

        It is not yet proven that what was found is a Higgs Boson without a spin—spin-0, a scalar. That requires up to four years of study and analysis to determine. Currently, the Hadron Collider at CERN is shutdown for power capacity upgrades, it's due back on sometime next year.

        March 20, 2014 at 4:59 pm |
        • ausphor

          Vic
          What are you relying on some information you found on an old apologist site? Go to the CERN we site they have agreed that the Higgs boson has been discovered.

          March 20, 2014 at 5:05 pm |
        • Vic

          "..back in 2012."

          March 20, 2014 at 5:09 pm |
        • ausphor

          Vic...So you Know...
          Francois Englert Nobel winner got Physics 3013. In a presentation Feb 21, 2014.
          "I will comment on how the magnificent ATLAS and CMS discovery at CERN of the scalar boson predicted by the mechanism confirms its validity and may have implications on structures at yet unexplored energies."
          Sorry that you do not agree with a Nobel Laureate and are not up to date, but keep trying. PS: the CERN site is on my favorite lists, I read all the articles, may not understand them all but I try.

          March 20, 2014 at 5:24 pm |
        • ausphor

          typos for Physics and 2013...

          March 20, 2014 at 5:27 pm |
        • joey3467

          yeah, that is what I thought. Vic what say you about that?

          March 20, 2014 at 5:27 pm |
        • ausphor

          joey...
          Vic did a hit and run post on the previous page I would not expect an answer. Christians are too brainwashed to admit they may be wrong!!!

          March 20, 2014 at 5:43 pm |
        • Vic

          I do not follow CERN on daily basis, especially that the data they have collected since their last Higgs Boson discovery back in 2012 is massive and requires up to four years of study and analysis. And, to make things worse, they might end up needing to redo the experiment and collect new data. They have already determined that the Hadron Collider does not have enough power yet to simulate enough of the actual events fractions of a second after the Big Bang. That's why it is shutdown and the power capacity upgrades are underway. From what I recollect, it is due back on sometime next year.

          The cited quote above —is about if proven, I would still need to read the full context to draw a conclusion— is theoretical and hoped for but not yet proven. Again, they have found a new Higgs Boson particle back in 2012 that exhibits the Particle Physics Standard Model Higgs Boson Particle that is spin-0, scalar, but not yet proven to be the one. The completion of the Particle Physics Standard Model hinges on that.

          BTW, you can win Nobel Prizes in Theoretical Physics for the work done without it being proven yet, no problem.

          March 20, 2014 at 6:19 pm |
        • ausphor

          Vic
          Well I assume you are not going to defend the unscientific and really ignorant rant you made in your original post. Grabbing info that can be proven false from your apologist sites is quite stupid, makes you look like a phony, oh right, never mind, we got it a Christian Protestant, but not religious. Well OK fine.

          March 20, 2014 at 6:23 pm |
        • ausphor

          Vic
          You are a total idiot, the experiments in the collider have been done and proven, hence the Nobel prize. Quit lying, the Higgs scalar boson has been discovered, it is no longer a hypothesis. Deny all you want, I guess that is how your mind can be captured by a myth, simply deny reality. Do you see why we do not want you to control government, belief would out weigh reality.

          March 20, 2014 at 6:30 pm |
        • ausphor

          Vic
          Another little fact you have wrong, the LHC was shut down on Feb 14, 2013 And will be upgraded within two years. Gat your facts straight or STFU.

          March 20, 2014 at 6:48 pm |
    • Alias

      So what you're saying is if science doesn't have the answer, god did it.
      Inspiring, as usual.

      March 20, 2014 at 4:48 pm |
      • Vic

        What I am saying is that science reveals God that we already believe in.

        March 20, 2014 at 5:13 pm |
        • cruci000fiction

          I, and most analytical people, find your usage of the word "reveal" too generous.

          March 20, 2014 at 5:18 pm |
    • lunchbreaker

      It would seem a bit contradictory that Christians love to both say negative about the"scientific communnity" , but then turn around and claim how so many scientists are also Christian.

      March 20, 2014 at 4:54 pm |
      • joey3467

        That is about the only time you will get a Southern Baptist to admit that a Catholic is Christian.

        March 20, 2014 at 5:17 pm |
    • ausphor

      Vic
      Go to the CERN website and you will find that the Higgs boson/field has indeed been discovered and measured. Stay up to date, you appear foolish providing a years old information, let alone 2000 year old information.

      March 20, 2014 at 4:55 pm |
    • Alias

      The Null Hypothesis may be accepted, depending on the outcome of the experiment.

      March 20, 2014 at 5:37 pm |
  20. kenmargo

    If ANY religious person can answer these questions in a CONVINCING matter, I'll donate to a church.
    Reverened Wilbur failed by ignoring the questions.

    Where was god on 9/11? You mean to tell me god let Allah get over on him? Allah 1, God 0

    According to religious folks. Children are a gift from god right? Pre marital s3x is a sin right?

    If these things are true, How do unmarried couples conceive? Why would god give the gift of a child to a couple comitting sin?

    March 20, 2014 at 4:29 pm |
    • Alias

      Posts like this give atheists a bad name.

      March 20, 2014 at 4:51 pm |
      • lunchbreaker

        Only to those who have a poor knowledge of statistics and have a bad habit of assuming any one person is representative of the whole population.

        March 20, 2014 at 5:04 pm |
      • kenmargo

        Ok Armpit Alias how does this give atheists a bad name?

        March 20, 2014 at 5:22 pm |
        • Alias

          It shows an incredible lack of understanding of the religion you are trying to discredit.

          March 20, 2014 at 5:38 pm |
        • kenmargo

          Christians do more to discredit religion more than anything I do. Ex. Rev. Phelps. The bigoted ignorant moron of the Westboro Baptist Church (that fortunately died) picketed funerals of dead soldiers. He quoted the bible for his beliefs. Do you think he was good for christianity?

          By the way. Stop whining and YOU answer the questions bible breath.

          March 20, 2014 at 5:47 pm |
        • Alias

          @kenmargo Here are your answers according to the bible thumpers:
          "Where was god on 9/11? You mean to tell me god let Allah get over on him? Allah 1, God 0"
          Free will. god knew thousands of years ago this was going to happen. Read this part carefully – It does not really matter. No amount of injustice or suffering in this short life compares to an eternity of bliss or torture. God will judge the killers and the victoms and everything will be fine.
          "According to religious folks. Children are a gift from god right? Pre marital s3x is a sin right?
          If these things are true, How do unmarried couples conceive? Why would god give the gift of a child to a couple comitting sin?"
          Again, Free Will! I couild be wrong, but I dont remember the line about children being gifts coming from the bible. In any case, god judges us when we die. What we do in this life is our decision and we will either be rewarded of punished later.

          March 20, 2014 at 7:50 pm |
        • kenmargo

          Alias:
          Free will. god knew thousands of years ago this was going to happen.

          Well while praying for answers before 9/11, why couldn't god tell us this was going to happen? I'm sure many of those that died were christians. Don't you think a heads up was appropriate?

          Alias:
          read this part carefully – It does not really matter.

          It doesn't matter to you because you weren't in the buildings.

          Alias:
          No amount of injustice or suffering in this short life compares to an eternity of bliss or torture. God will judge the killers and the victoms and everything will be fine. Again, Easy for you to say, you weren't in the planes or buildings!!

          Alias:
          "According to religious folks. Children are a gift from god right? Pre marital s3x is a sin right?
          If these things are true, How do unmarried couples conceive? Why would god give the gift of a child to a couple comitting sin?"
          Again, Free Will! I couild be wrong, but I dont remember the line about children being gifts coming from the bible.

          According to bible thumpers: Gays should not be allowed to marry because they cannot conceive. In other words "make babies" Marriage is defined to be between one man, one woman for the purpose to conceive. I hear religious leaders say that all the time.

          Alias:
          In any case, god judges us when we die. What we do in this life is our decision and we will either be rewarded of punished later.

          If it is OUR decision, why is the church against abortion?

          Sorry pal, try again.

          March 20, 2014 at 8:42 pm |
    • Akira

      He answered, but with typical hypebole that had zero to do with your questions.

      March 20, 2014 at 4:54 pm |
    • wilburw7

      I am not a reverend; I am a scientist. And I already did give you some clues on the 911 comment. The reason I did not answer is that it is such an old tired question. The Bible says that bad things happen to good people because life is a test, trial, and strengthening process. You learn most during adversity. Go and review "The Harbinger – Rabbi Cahn"

      I am very unmotivated to expend the energy to answer your questions because you are such jerk about it. My reward for expending the energy to answer honestly are a bunch of insults.

      March 20, 2014 at 5:22 pm |
      • Akira

        You are a scientist?

        March 20, 2014 at 5:25 pm |
      • kenmargo

        Bugs Bunny is a more credible scientist than you would ever be. Your 9/11 "answer" don't fly. If bad things happen to good people then why bother praying for good. The people killed on 9/11 didn't get a chance to learn from adversity. Amazingly you refer to a person (Rabbi con spelled correctly) to support your belief. Still waiting for a common sense answer.

        March 20, 2014 at 5:33 pm |
        • wilburw7

          Maybe someone else will come along with more tolerance to endure you twisting and distorting the meaning of an honestly thought out answer to your questions. But I am done for today.

          March 20, 2014 at 5:43 pm |
        • kenmargo

          Good willl burrr. Quit while you're behind.

          March 20, 2014 at 5:49 pm |
        • Akira

          Can you please answer my question, Wilbur?
          You stated you're a scientist. I may have missed what field...what is it?

          March 20, 2014 at 5:54 pm |
        • kenmargo

          Akira, Willl burrr has moved on. He's probably looking in the dictionary to see what kind of scientist he wants to be.

          March 20, 2014 at 5:59 pm |
        • Akira

          Maybe textural criticism. Somebody said that was a science. Huh.

          March 20, 2014 at 6:19 pm |
    • b3clan

      We were given free will. We can choose to do good or evil. Our final judgement comes to us based on that.
      God does not withhold blessings from sinners. We are all sinners. There is no verse that states only married couples will have children

      March 20, 2014 at 7:31 pm |
      • kenmargo

        Sorry pal, According to those that believe, gays should not be allowed to marry because they cannot conceive. In other words "make babies" Marriage is defined to be between one man, one woman for the purpose to conceive. I hear religious leaders say that all the time.

        So try again.

        March 20, 2014 at 7:45 pm |
        • b3clan

          Sorry pal.... the Bible does not actually state that anywhere. That is the interpretation/excuse put together using verses across the old and new testament. Children are a part of marriage, but not the sole purpose.

          March 21, 2014 at 10:33 am |
        • b3clan

          Basically, you can choose to listen to third parties and their interpretation or you can choose to study yourself. I prefer to study myself

          March 21, 2014 at 10:38 am |
        • kenmargo

          @b3clan................Unfortunately religious leaders (like the ones that find a tv camera) quote what I told you. Thank you for suggesting these people should be ignored. I 've always known they were frauds and your words reinforce that. These frauds use the bible as a crutch to force their beliefs on others. So the next time you hear a religious leader talk about marriage, children or abortion. Tell him to go to h3ll. Thanks.

          March 21, 2014 at 2:48 pm |
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