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March 20th, 2014
11:14 AM ET

Does the Big Bang breakthrough offer proof of God?

Opinion by Leslie A. Wickman, special to CNN

(CNN) The remarkable discovery, announced this week, of ripples in the space-time fabric of the universe rocked the world of science - and the world of religion.

Touted as evidence for inflation (a faster-than-the-speed-of-light expansion of our universe), the new discovery of traces of gravity waves affirms scientific concepts in the fields of cosmology, general relativity, and particle physics.

The new discovery also has significant implications for the Judeo-Christian worldview, offering strong support for biblical beliefs.

Here's how.

The prevalent theory of cosmic origins prior to the Big Bang theory was the “Steady State,” which argued that the universe has always existed, without a beginning that necessitated a cause.

However, this new evidence strongly suggests that there was a beginning to our universe.

If the universe did indeed have a beginning, by the simple logic of cause and effect, there had to be an agent – separate and apart from the effect – that caused it.

That sounds a lot like Genesis 1:1 to me: “In the beginning God created the heavens and the Earth.”

So this latest discovery is good news for us believers, as it adds scientific support to the idea that the universe was caused – or created – by something or someone outside it and not dependent on it.

MORE ON CNN: Big Bang breakthrough announced; gravitational waves detected

Atheist-turned-agnostic astronomer Fred Hoyle, who coined the term “Big Bang,” famously stated, “A common sense interpretation of the facts suggests that a superintellect has monkeyed with physics."

As Hoyle saw it, the Big Bang was not a chaotic explosion, but rather a very highly ordered event – one that could not have occurred by random chance.

We also need to remember that God reveals himself both through scripture and creation. The challenge is in seeing how they fit together. A better understanding of each can inform our understanding of the other.

It’s not just about cracking open the Bible and reading whatever we find there from a 21st-century American perspective. We have to study the context, the culture, the genre, the authorship and the original audience to understand the intent.

The creation message in Genesis tells us that God created a special place for humans to live and thrive and be in communion with him; that God wants a relationship with us, and makes provisions for us to have fellowship with him, even after we turn away from him.

So, we know that Genesis was never intended to be a detailed scientific handbook, describing how God created the universe. It imparts a theological, not a scientific, message.

(Imagine how confusing messages about gravity waves and dark matter might be to ancient Hebrew readers.)

As a modern believer and a scientist, when I look up at the sky on a clear starry night, I am reminded that “the heavens declare the glory of God” (Psalm 19:1). I am in awe of the complexity of the physical world, and how all of its pieces fit together so perfectly and synergistically.

In the Old Testament book of Jeremiah, the writer tells us that God “established (his) covenant with day and night, and with the fixed laws of heaven and earth.”

These physical laws established by God to govern interactions between matter and energy result in a finely tuned universe that provides the ideal conditions for life on our planet.

As we observe the complexity of the cosmos, from subatomic particles to dark matter and dark energy, we quickly conclude that there must be a more satisfying explanation than random chance. Properly practiced, science can be an act of worship in looking at God’s revelation of himself in nature.

If God is truly the creator, then he will reveal himself through what he’s created, and science is a tool we can use to uncover those wonders.

Leslie Wickman is director of the Center for Research in Science at Azusa Pacific University. Wickman has also been an engineer for Lockheed Martin Missiles & Space, where she worked on NASA's Hubble Space Telescope and International Space Station programs. The views expressed in this column belong to Wickman. 

- CNN Belief Blog

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  1. rjf2014

    Funny to me how people who believe in god or not believe try to put down eachothers views. Believe in what you want to believe and what makes you happy and helps you live your life to the best of your ability. Its called respect for one another , even though their belifes may be different from yours you should still have the decency to respect that person and their views. I believe in God but im not going to put someone down or call them names because they have a different point of view then me. It should be common respect,

    March 21, 2014 at 1:38 pm |
    • Doris

      I have no respect for Christian evangelists that travel to Africa to incite violence and promote the killing of other people there.

      March 21, 2014 at 1:40 pm |
      • DB

        Do you think any of them are on this blog right now?

        March 21, 2014 at 1:43 pm |
        • Doris

          hard to say, but based on my experience here (and in consideration of what I wrote below), yes.

          March 21, 2014 at 1:45 pm |
        • In Santa We Trust

          Christianity has a history of it – what do you think led to Hawaii becoming a US state.

          Another cause for concern is the way the christian agenda is pushed right here: christian religious beliefs to be taught as science, christian religious texts on public buildings, christian prayers at public meetings, christian beliefs as law, etc.

          March 24, 2014 at 11:59 am |
      • Doris

        Kind of in the way that I didn't respect Fred Phelps;

        kind of in the way that I don't respect people who let their kids die because they avoid medical care;

        kind of in the way that I don't respect people who kill their children claiming them to be antichrists;

        kind of in the way that I don't respect people who promote the spreading of disease in other countries because of an unrealistic stance on contraception....

        March 21, 2014 at 1:44 pm |
        • actorforchrist

          Thank you for taking the most extreme examples to describe your hate of everyone in that particular group. It really helps to nail down the whole by looking around the fringe.

          March 21, 2014 at 2:01 pm |
        • sam stone

          actor: which examples would you have us choose?

          when theists criticize atheists, they bring up pol pot, or mao, or stalin

          March 21, 2014 at 3:22 pm |
    • ramblingsofnihility

      You are free to believe anything you want. But, if you are going to try and control the government using your religious beliefs and book, you best be ready to be called out on those beliefs.

      March 21, 2014 at 1:41 pm |
      • joey3467

        and if you want to me life by those rules then you need to prove what you believe is 100% true, and not just your feelings

        March 21, 2014 at 1:50 pm |
        • ramblingsofnihility

          "and if you want to me life by those rules then you need to prove what you believe is 100% true, and not just your feelings"

          I'm not asking anyone to live life by my rules. As humans, we need to collectively agree on a set of rules that is fair to everyone. They shouldn't be based on what some men thousands of years ago decided to be true.

          March 21, 2014 at 1:58 pm |
    • seedenbetter

      It's not the belief in a deity that's usually the problem, it's the following the dogma of the Abrahamic religions and those followers who persecute those not like them.

      March 21, 2014 at 1:44 pm |
    • lunaeros

      Good point. But like the 2 others that commented before me.....
      Most of the time, those of us that don't believe usually get lambasted by the believers first.
      And like they also pointed out, a lot of the righteous right are always trying to control other sand the world too for that matter.
      And that's what gets under the athiest and agnostic skin. Stop preaching to us! Stop trying to control others! And stop trying to make the world the way you think it should be or believe what you believe!

      March 21, 2014 at 1:49 pm |
    • ausphor

      rjf
      Respect each other, sounds fine if the christians that do not respect the rights of LBGT people, that don't respect a woman's right to chose, that do not allow contraception, want their idols placed in the public domain, etc. Respect of those like a Fred Phelps would be totally misplaced. You want respect butt out of other peoples lives.

      March 21, 2014 at 1:50 pm |
    • MidwestKen

      @rjf20144,
      The dissemination of false information should not be respected. If you want to believe in a god or gods that's your perogative, claiming a scientific basis for that belief enters one into the area of testability. Enter at your own risk.

      March 21, 2014 at 1:54 pm |
  2. clouseau2

    The author of this makes some ridiculous leaps of logic.

    Just because the Universe began, doesn't mean something had to start it. We simply don't understand why it began. Even if we accept that something had to have started it, it doesn't have to be an "agent." Our Universe could exist inside a higher dimension or reality where countless other Universes begin and end over eternity. Even if we accept that an "agent" started it, it doesn't have to be a deity, it could be some sort of very advanced alien. Even if we accept that a deity started it, it doesn't have to be the god of Abraham, it could be a group of gods, or any of the tens of thousands of MAN MADE gods humans have thought up over the millennia.

    If every time we didn't understand something we stopped at "goddidit" we would still be sitting caves waiting for the next thunderstorm to create a fire so we could cook some food.

    March 21, 2014 at 1:29 pm |
    • lunaeros

      Damn straight!

      March 21, 2014 at 1:52 pm |
  3. strngr12

    WOW! Just keep trying to shove that square peg into the round hole! How far back are you going to push your god? Now your god did something 13 or so billion years ago and has not done a thing since? Last week there was no such thing as the big bang because Jehovah created the Universe 6,000 years ago.. This week we've come closer than ever to proving that a big band happened so that's proof that some god did that. Even were you to give that a god might have created the Big Bang, it's as likely that Odin did it as it is that Jehovah did.

    March 21, 2014 at 1:17 pm |
    • joedriver1001

      See that's what wrong with all of you. Jesus appeared 2000 years ago and did his thing. Now you self centered individuals think he has to come again for you to believe. That's what faith and religion is all about. Why should HE have to prove himself to YOU again. You either believe or don't and accept the consequences in the end. Period that's it..... SO if you don't believe and he exists I guess you'll beg for mercy at that time AND if you do believe and he doesn't exist nothing lost ....

      March 21, 2014 at 1:25 pm |
      • TruthPrevails1

        Pascals wager fails! You have no way of verifying outside of the bible anything that you have spewed and until you have that evidence, your book is just as valid for evidence of jesus/god/heaven/hell as Harry Potter is for witches.

        March 21, 2014 at 1:29 pm |
        • joedriver1001

          Wrong, many ancient scrolls attest to the live of Jesus so I say either believe or not and live your life here to the fullest in the end it will be as it is supposed to be and you will not change that.

          March 21, 2014 at 1:32 pm |
        • Doris

          So Joe, who do you have as evidence that Jesus was not just an ordinary man? You know, besides motor-mouth Saul of Tarsus and his best bud Luke?

          March 21, 2014 at 1:36 pm |
        • ramblingsofnihility

          "Wrong, many ancient scrolls attest to the live of Jesus so I say either believe or not and live your life here to the fullest in the end it will be as it is supposed to be and you will not change that."

          There are countless ancient writings about many gods, what makes the Bible so credible to you?

          March 21, 2014 at 1:36 pm |
        • Doris

          (not that Saul or Luke were evidence at all... but who else can verify Paul's claims?)

          March 21, 2014 at 1:37 pm |
        • TruthPrevails1

          It still doesn't mean jesus was anything special. Your live and let live thing fails the second you added in something about consequences. I choose not to worry about the vindictive god of the bible, there is zero evidence for it and until there is, there is no reason to worry about consequences...your religion instills unnecessary fear.

          March 21, 2014 at 1:37 pm |
        • Doc Vestibule

          Archaeologists have unearthed the Kingdom of Uruk, just as described in the Epic of Gilgamesh, which pre-dates the New Testament by hundreds and hundreds of years.
          There are other docu/ments that attest to the fact that King Gilgamesh was a real person.
          Does that mean he was a demi-god who ruled for 125 years and took a trip to the Underworld?

          March 21, 2014 at 1:46 pm |
      • dmuehlhausen

        Nothing lost? Nothing except for years, and years of miss opportunities to better your life.

        You put your life on hold to act good to have an extremely slim chance of getting into "heaven" if it exists anyway. Might as well enjoy the time that life has given you now while you are alive.

        March 21, 2014 at 1:30 pm |
        • joedriver1001

          wow are you way off base. You should live life to the fullest with no regrets.

          March 21, 2014 at 1:36 pm |
        • ramblingsofnihility

          "wow are you way off base. You should live life to the fullest with no regrets."

          What makes you think you have to be a Christian to achieve that?

          March 21, 2014 at 1:37 pm |
        • actorforchrist

          Wow...I'm not sure I've seen Pascal's Wager in reverse before.

          March 21, 2014 at 3:11 pm |
      • MidwestKen

        ... Except a lifetime of worship wasted AND if it's another god them you might need to beg...

        March 21, 2014 at 1:30 pm |
        • joedriver1001

          What you describe as a "Lifetime of worship" is confusing I'm a Christian who believes and lives in respect of everyone and yes does some praying but to say it your way distorts it and makes it sound arduous. You don't have time to say a prayer, you must be real busy....

          March 21, 2014 at 2:14 pm |
        • MidwestKen

          @joedriver1001,
          I fail to see how the degree of difficulty is relevant.
          Do you acknowledge Osiris simply because it's easy?
          Worshipping a false belief for lifetime, whethereasy or difficult, is a lifetime of worship wasted, is it not?

          In addition, even if a life without worship of false god(s) is more difficult, e.g. persecution, it is not wasted on false beleif

          March 21, 2014 at 3:44 pm |
      • jameshunt81

        Wow…just wow. Talk about the mentality of the American Taliban….

        March 21, 2014 at 1:31 pm |
      • ramblingsofnihility

        "Why should HE have to prove himself to YOU again."

        He hasn't proved anything to me. There is a book that claims Jesus appeared 2000 years ago and did his thing, but why should I blindly accept that to be true? Cause it's says in the book it's true?

        March 21, 2014 at 1:34 pm |
        • joedriver1001

          See that's faith what you just described, because it happened before your time you want more proof for your eyes... He Einstein didn't really have any proof now science is confirming him so maybe after death you get the proof... Live life joyously without regrets you may get no other.

          March 21, 2014 at 1:38 pm |
        • ramblingsofnihility

          "See that's faith what you just described"

          What is so special about faith? It's just a belief in something without evidence.

          March 21, 2014 at 1:45 pm |
        • joedriver1001

          There is a book that says George Washington cut down a cherry tree, did you see it is there a photo of the event? Do you believe it happened just because someone said it was so a hundred years ago? Why do you believe that?

          March 21, 2014 at 2:18 pm |
        • G to the T

          "Do you believe it happened just because someone said it was so a hundred years ago? "

          A perfect example! It never happened, it was an invented story by one of Washington's biographers (a priest no less) and yet, many people still tell the story as if it was historically factual. Not unlike some other writings I've heard of...

          March 24, 2014 at 11:11 am |
    • odinjurkowski

      For the record, I would like to clarify that I was not actually present for the big bang. I didn't get here until a little later.

      March 21, 2014 at 1:36 pm |
      • joey3467

        Couldn't find a cab?

        March 21, 2014 at 1:51 pm |
  4. crittermom2

    I don't know enough about physics to have a firm opinion about whether this provides evidence for some superior being (I doubt it), but I'm quite confident that, even if there is some superior being, it's probably nothing like the biblical god.

    March 21, 2014 at 1:17 pm |
    • lunaeros

      I tend to agree.
      And when they go if there is some sort of superior being that started it all and they meet "it" in the "afterlife" and it's not Yahweh/Jehovah/Allah/etc/etc, boy will they be SURPRISED!

      March 21, 2014 at 2:08 pm |
    • joedriver1001

      Well at least you have some faith to question it and then you use the Probable word...

      March 21, 2014 at 2:20 pm |
      • G to the T

        "Probable" is a great word. It means I find the possibility is high enough to give it conditional confidence. But I wouldn't read more into it than that.

        March 24, 2014 at 11:13 am |
  5. harrisonhits2

    LOL When they can twist science to try and justify religious fairy tales science is "logical" and "proof of god".

    When it disagrees with those fairy tails such as proving the planet and universe is billions of years old instead of the few thousand years the bible claims, science is "flawed" and "wrong".

    March 21, 2014 at 1:11 pm |
    • alfonse2014

      Where does the Bible claim that the earth and universe is 6 thousand years old. It, in fact, does not. Do not confuse a text with someones misinterpretation of a text.
      And please don't come back with, "well, the bible says the earth was created in six days". Do you have any understanding of metaphor and allegory?

      March 21, 2014 at 1:24 pm |
      • Dyslexic doG

        so how do Christians know what is the word of god and what is metaphor and allegory?

        March 21, 2014 at 1:26 pm |
      • Dyslexic doG

        either all the bible is the word of god or it's not. If not, how can you say which parts must be obeyed? Is the part about gay se.x an allegory? How about the 10 commandments?

        March 21, 2014 at 1:27 pm |
      • ramblingsofnihility

        "Where does the Bible claim that the earth and universe is 6 thousand years old. It, in fact, does not. Do not confuse a text with someones misinterpretation of a text.
        And please don't come back with, "well, the bible says the earth was created in six days". Do you have any understanding of metaphor and allegory?"

        So your stance is, "Don't believe THOSE Christians, they're not interpreting it right, I'M the one who is interpreting it correctly".

        March 21, 2014 at 1:28 pm |
      • joey3467

        So the part of the Bible that counts the generations from Jesus back to Adam as a way to prove he is the Messiah is wrong, or a lie, or what?

        March 21, 2014 at 1:43 pm |
      • faithfulwatcher

        "..one day is with Almighty God as a thousand years and a thousand years as one day." 2nd Peter 3:8, in the Bible.

        March 21, 2014 at 2:19 pm |
        • G to the T

          Indeed – by the time of the writing of Peter (very, very little chance it was actully written by Peter by the way), christians were faced with the fact that the end of the world and the advent of the kingdom of god on earth was not coming "to this generation" as they originally believed. So they came up with the neat solution of stating that god's time is somehow different than ours and that "today", "day" and "this generation" don't really mean what the usually do.

          March 24, 2014 at 11:22 am |
    • ausphor

      How about the idiocy of soft dinosaur tissue confirming the earth is only 6000 years old, comedy gold from the apologists.

      March 21, 2014 at 1:25 pm |
  6. lunaeros

    Is CNN turning conservative these days?
    All of these articles I'm seeing...... The Marijauna Experiment in Colorado. Are we doing the right thing with medical marijuana and now this "Does the Big Bang offer proof of God".
    What's going on with them lately?

    March 21, 2014 at 1:09 pm |
    • Joeseph Eclaire

      Relax, you can only hide behind the b.s. for so long. After 30 you'll start to lose your pie in the sky idealism.

      March 21, 2014 at 1:22 pm |
      • lunaeros

        I got news for you. I'm 47.

        March 21, 2014 at 1:54 pm |
      • lunaeros

        I'm 47 bud. And have always been a liberal leaning moderate.
        That doesn't take away from the fact that it seemed like a lot of the CNN articles at the time were turning conservative in their view.

        August 31, 2014 at 2:59 pm |
  7. faithfulwatcher

    I thank you Mr.Wickman , for your excellent article. "There is One (Almighty God) who is dwelling above the circle of the earth, the dwellers in which are as grasshoppers, the One who is stretching out the heavens (expanse of the universe) just as a fine gauze, who spreads them out like a tent in which to dwell." Isaiah 40:22. "This is what the True God has said, the Creator of the heavens and the Grand One stretching them out; the One laying out the earth and its produce..." Isaiah 42:5. These words were written as dictated by God approximately 1200 years ago. The BBT, soon to be proven as fact, is proving the word of God and all we have to do is to pay attention.

    March 21, 2014 at 1:08 pm |
    • faithfulwatcher

      Sorry, I that's actually almost 3000 (approx. 2700) years ago, the Scriptures were written.

      March 21, 2014 at 1:11 pm |
    • Dyslexic doG

      The King James version of the new testament was completed in 1611 by 8 members of the church of England. There were (and still are) NO original texts to translate. The oldest manuscripts we have were written down 100's of years after the last apostle died. There are over 8,000 of these old manuscripts with no two alike. The king james translators used none of these anyway. Instead they edited previous translations to create a version their king and parliament would approve. So.... 21st century christians believe the "word of god" is a book edited in the 17th century from the 16th century translations of 8,000 contradictory copies of 4th century scrolls that claim to be copies of lost letters written in the 1st century.

      March 21, 2014 at 1:13 pm |
      • faithfulwatcher

        You are absolutely incorrect and you should do some serious research before you spout off false information. The first five books of the Bible were written by Moses and are found in the Jewish Torah, completed approximately 1473 BC.. Isaiah's writings were completed in approximately 732 B.C. and were preserved in caves when Jerusalem was over taken in 70AD. Isaiah's writings are part of the Dead Sea Scrolls, that were found in 1948, the same year that God fulfilled His promise to the Jews that their homeland, Israel, would be restored.

        March 21, 2014 at 1:36 pm |
        • Akira

          Why should I take your interpretation of the Bible seriously when you can't discern that this article was written by a woman?

          March 21, 2014 at 1:49 pm |
        • joey3467

          There is no reason to believe that Moses even existed much less the god he supposedly wrote about.

          March 21, 2014 at 1:53 pm |
    • nepawoods

      The Big Bang Theory does not suggest the existence of a god of any sort. It's just more "god of the gaps". You don't know what came before, so claim a god.

      March 21, 2014 at 1:16 pm |
      • faithfulwatcher

        If you actually read the article, and more importantly, if you actually knew what the BBT is proving,(visiting the NASA website) you would know that their findings are proving that there is supremely superior intelligence that designed and set into an extremely complicated order per explicit planning, the entire universe. We are each individually responsible for proving what is fact and what is fiction to ourselves. It is foolish to be satisfied with the notion that all of this "just happened."

        March 21, 2014 at 1:43 pm |
        • In Santa We Trust

          It doesn't prove that at all. Believers just want that to be true – even though the story in the religious texts is very different.

          March 24, 2014 at 11:49 am |
    • jameshunt81

      Quoting the bible to prove your point is like singing christmas songs to prove that santa claus is real.....any intelligent adults in the room just tune you out....

      March 21, 2014 at 1:33 pm |
      • joedriver1001

        what was that you said I wasn't listening?

        March 21, 2014 at 2:27 pm |
    • MidwestKen

      @faithfulwatcher,
      Fyi,
      The earth is not a circle and the universe did not spread like gauze or a tent.

      March 21, 2014 at 1:37 pm |
      • faithfulwatcher

        "The universe was expanding, and as it expanded, it got cooler and less dense," David Spergel, a theoretical astrophysicist at Princeton University in Princeton, N.J. EXPAND: To spread or stretch out. In the Bible, at Isaiah 34:4 God says that the heavens "must be rolled up like a book scroll...." which implies the that the universe is flat. Per the NASA Hubble studies," A universe as flat as we see it today would require an extreme fine-tuning of conditions in the past, which would be an unbelievable coincidence.” They have proven that geometrically speaking, the universe is flat (like a scroll).

        March 21, 2014 at 2:04 pm |
        • G to the T

          You do know that space/time is curved right? So a "flat scroll" makes no sense as an analogy. A better one might be a donut. The universe if finite but boundless.

          March 24, 2014 at 11:37 am |
      • MidwestKen

        @faithfulwatcher,
        You are equivocating on the definition of expand. The reason that the universe could have expanded faster than the speed of light is that space itself expanded, unlike gauze or a tent.

        Isa34:4... how can you claim consistency with a statement the would have us think that the universe can be rolled up? You seem to ignore what states but tout intead what you want it to imply.

        A flat universe is a descrition of its geometry not its physical dimensions.

        March 21, 2014 at 2:24 pm |
  8. goss4jc1

    All I can say is God revealed Himself to me and changed my life. I believe in the Son, Jesus and that he became the sacrificial lamb for us to pay the penalty for our transgressions. I am sure that if any man humbles himself and seeks the Lord with an open heart, God will reveal Himself. That is the beginning of wisdom. Until you are in that place, you are simply wandering around in darkness, guessing at clues, having opinions and even some knowledge but never truly knowing anything. I know this because I was there.

    March 21, 2014 at 1:07 pm |
    • jameshunt81

      Please drink the kool-aid already...

      March 21, 2014 at 1:08 pm |
    • Dyslexic doG

      how did he reveal himself to you?

      March 21, 2014 at 1:14 pm |
      • goss4jc1

        He dew near to me, I felt His presence, and he also downloaded all kinds of information into my brain, is the best way I can explain it. Inside you just know...beyond the shadow of a doubt that He is the Lord, and he has confirmed Himself with his Word. Don't be fooled by those that don't understand His Word. Ask HIm to reveal Himself to you. Seek him with a true heart. Get a Bible, ask Him to reveal His Word to you so you may understand it. Start reading the new testament. This is the basic path. It's all up to you.

        March 21, 2014 at 1:18 pm |
        • ramblingsofnihility

          In other words, not testable or verifiable, just an I feel it's true, therefor I know it's true claim.

          March 21, 2014 at 1:24 pm |
        • joey3467

          I will accept your personal experience as evidence that god exists when you accept my personal experiences as evidence that god doesn't exist. Deal?

          March 21, 2014 at 1:24 pm |
        • Dyslexic doG

          so he didn't reveal himself to you at all. You just had a thought or a number of thoughts.

          March 21, 2014 at 1:24 pm |
        • Doris

          "He dew near to me"

          I suggest you take that to Oprah – this is not the place for that.

          March 21, 2014 at 1:28 pm |
        • goss4jc1

          You do not accept someone else's experience, faith does not come from that. It will only come from your own experience. I was simply answering the question as to how He revealed Himself to me. You will find millions of people all over the world, from every walk of life that will tell you the same thing.

          March 21, 2014 at 1:29 pm |
        • goss4jc1

          Anyway, I'm out. I don't waste time with those that don't want to know the truth. But for those that do...just seek Him and you will know for yourself.

          March 21, 2014 at 1:30 pm |
        • wallyweaksauce

          I partly agree with the author. This newest scientific discovery does, indeed, serve as evidence of supernatural intervention. The correct supernatural creation story that is supported, though, is the Norse creation mythology:

          "The first world to exist was Muspell, a place of light and heat whose flames are so hot that those who are not native to that land cannot endure it."

          See!? If you just decide ahead of time what you think is true, it's a perfect fit! Hail Thor! (according to the author's logic)

          March 21, 2014 at 1:36 pm |
    • bacbik

      Too boring... too much unnecessary capitalization... too much BS

      March 21, 2014 at 1:22 pm |
      • jameshunt81

        What is it with the capitalization? It drives me nuts

        March 21, 2014 at 1:35 pm |
  9. Dyslexic doG

    why does your god need us to love him and worship him?

    March 21, 2014 at 1:06 pm |
    • jameshunt81

      religion exists for two reasons; to ease the fear of death, and to control behavior.

      March 21, 2014 at 1:07 pm |
      • lunaeros

        Exactly!

        March 21, 2014 at 1:12 pm |
    • goss4jc1

      He created you so you could experience life and wants you to have the best.

      March 21, 2014 at 1:09 pm |
      • Dyslexic doG

        OK ... but why does your god need us to love him and worship him?

        March 21, 2014 at 1:11 pm |
        • faithfulwatcher

          God does not need us, but rather we need Him. The things you take for granted, like the very air (oxygen) you breathe and the food you eat, the warmth and water that you need to stay alive, is all provided by Him in His infinite wisdom and compassion for His creations. All we have to do is to acknowledge Him, in truth, and He will also reveal His wisdom and genuine love (not mans idea of so-called love) so that we can live in exquisite and perpetual peace and joy of life. It is ours for the taking, freely, if we want it.

          March 21, 2014 at 1:29 pm |
      • lunaeros

        His parents created him. Not a god.

        March 21, 2014 at 1:13 pm |
        • goss4jc1

          Parents don't create. They simply follow the instructions given to us by God so the process he created can take place.

          March 21, 2014 at 1:15 pm |
        • Dyslexic doG

          ahhh the workings of a cult addled mind ...

          March 21, 2014 at 1:16 pm |
        • doobzz

          LOL, you think people need instructions from a god to procreate?

          March 21, 2014 at 1:21 pm |
        • goss4jc1

          Most of what we think we know came from those before us, and they learned from those before them. Today you look at craters on the earth with no hesitation in the belief they are in fact, craters caused by meteors. But, not that long ago, the scientific community thought they were ancient volcanos.

          March 21, 2014 at 1:27 pm |
        • jameshunt81

          This guy reminds me of that episode of Family Guy where Meg meets that girl who is part of the cult.

          March 21, 2014 at 1:37 pm |
    • Joeseph Eclaire

      Cause it's God ?

      March 21, 2014 at 1:09 pm |
      • Dyslexic doG

        OK ... but why does god need us to love him and worship him?

        March 21, 2014 at 1:11 pm |
        • goss4jc1

          I just answered this question lol

          March 21, 2014 at 1:13 pm |
        • Dyslexic doG

          no you didn't answer it. Why does your god need us to love him and worship him? What would he need with our love and worship?

          March 21, 2014 at 1:16 pm |
        • goss4jc1

          He created you to experience life and He wants you to have the best. To have the best, you need to seek Him and he will share with you the wonders of the universe. It's just like with us. If our kids listen to us, we can save them from harm and help them in life.

          March 21, 2014 at 1:21 pm |
        • jameshunt81

          That's not an answer. That sounds like some brainwashed cult speak.

          March 21, 2014 at 1:38 pm |
  10. Dyslexic doG

    Why won't your god just show himself and then we will all believe he is real. Why the childish games?

    March 21, 2014 at 1:03 pm |
    • Joeseph Eclaire

      Why, you sound like you would still not believe it or in typical greedy self centrism ask for a million dollars.

      March 21, 2014 at 1:06 pm |
      • Dyslexic doG

        religious answers Rule #1: if faced by a question you can't answer, insult them to try and change the subject.

        March 21, 2014 at 1:09 pm |
      • Dyslexic doG

        if your god showed himself, everyone would believe.

        March 21, 2014 at 1:10 pm |
        • Joeseph Eclaire

          Yeah but then you would want this God smoking dope and turning Gay.

          March 21, 2014 at 1:12 pm |
        • lunaeros

          response to this idiot.
          "Yeah but then you would want this God smoking dope and turning Gay."

          Oh Please! You think because someone who doesn't believe in mythology that if a "God" showed up and proved he exists that the they would try to make him do drugs and change his orientation?
          I've got news for you. There are a lot of people that believe in your "God" that are gay. And some of them smoke marijuana too!
          BTW dummy. People that have those lifestyles don't want you to be like that, they just want to live their life as they want and be treated like an equal human being!

          March 21, 2014 at 1:21 pm |
        • Joeseph Eclaire

          Hey I hear the Catholics are welcoming all the various deviant behaviors. Why not give it try. You might just fit right in with them

          Creating some God in your own 'likeness', what fun uh.

          March 21, 2014 at 1:24 pm |
        • doobzz

          The eclair has a sudden obsession with dope smoking and being gay. Too bad it's not as obsessed with logic, or even decent spelling.

          Joeseph? Is that one of those new fangled kid's names?

          March 21, 2014 at 1:26 pm |
        • lunaeros

          Well there's apparently no arguing with you is there, Eclaire?
          Since obviously any other religion except your own is completely and utterly wrong and they will burn in Hell, right?

          March 21, 2014 at 1:30 pm |
        • lamsmith41

          The day is coming that God will reveal himself to all, and those who didn't believe will be in for quite a shock – at that moment and for eternity.

          March 21, 2014 at 1:34 pm |
        • lunaeros

          This world would be a lot better off if we eradicated all religion from the face of the earth and got rid of those defective genes that believe in fairy tales.
          Out of the "Gene Pool"!!.
          Now you kids!
          Don't make me come out there!

          March 21, 2014 at 1:35 pm |
        • lunaeros

          Re: lamsmith41
          What's wrong with "God" showing himself?
          He's supposed to be a "loving god" isn't he?

          Most of us logical people are from Kansas....... "Show Me"

          March 21, 2014 at 1:38 pm |
        • lamsmith41

          @lunaeros

          There's nothing wrong with God showing himself. For those of us who believe, there is visible evidence of God and His work all around us. But if you're looking for the "big sign", that will only happen as a part of God's timetable.

          March 21, 2014 at 1:42 pm |
        • lanrizy

          He already showed himself through his son (Jesus Christ) and many including you still do not beleive. The next showing of himself will be too late for this many who have eyes and yet do not see. My only prayer for alot of you is that he gives you a personal experience like he did to Paul.
          Many of you beleive in the devil and even worship him but find it hard to beleive God lives. I am glad i did not need any proof before my heart believed and accepted him.

          March 21, 2014 at 1:48 pm |
    • goss4jc1

      He does "show" Himself to those that seek Him. You might want him to reveal Himself to you on your terms, but He knows much more than you. For example, he revealed Himself to the Jews day and night when they were traveling through the desert. And later, when Moses was on the mountain, they went astray, made false idols, and worshipped them. The point is, seeing as you say, is not believing. Real faith, knowing for sure beyond the shadow of a doubt, comes from discerning with your spirit.

      March 21, 2014 at 1:11 pm |
      • Dyslexic doG

        you have listed stories from your story book. There is no more proof that any of that ever happened than that Hogwarts is a real school and Harry Potter plays quiddich.

        In the days of photography and or video, why can't god reveal himself so we would all know for sure?

        March 21, 2014 at 1:19 pm |
        • lunaeros

          Exactly. A story book.
          Which he apparently fails to remember was written by man! And his "book" that he puts SO much faith in isn't even all of the original texts and gospels written. Just the ones that were deemed acceptable by the Council of Nicea.

          March 21, 2014 at 1:26 pm |
        • lamsmith41

          I believe the word is "faith". You've written many comments on this article's site – I'm wondering why you're here if you're so adamantly a non-believer. But more importantly, why are you afraid to believe? Personally, I'd be a lot more afraid to NOT believe, because of the eternal repercussions. If you're a non-believer, I guess you go through life not worrying about your eternity, but what if you're wrong?

          March 21, 2014 at 1:39 pm |
        • joey3467

          If you only believe do to the possible repercussions then you might as well believe in every god ever invented just in case you care currently worshiping the wrong one.

          March 21, 2014 at 1:46 pm |
        • lamsmith41

          @ joey3467

          Joey, I believe because I've had my own personal experiences that have revealed enough for me to say unequivocally that there exists a Creator – and only one. I'm sure you'll agree that there can only be one truth – either God exists or He doesn't. If you open your heart to Him, He'll reveal himself to you or to Dyslexic doG, or to anyone who asks – but you can't expect for it to be in a way that's determined by you.

          March 21, 2014 at 2:02 pm |
      • lunchbreaker

        If a giant pillar of fire guided me around the desert I would more strongly consider God, or atleast get a drug tested for halucinagens.

        March 21, 2014 at 1:20 pm |
        • lunaeros

          And why did he have to appear like that?
          Supposedly man was made "in his own image", right?
          Why not appear as he/she really looks?

          March 21, 2014 at 1:27 pm |
  11. lsmooney

    "If the universe did indeed have a beginning, by the simple logic of cause and effect, there had to be an agent – separate and apart from the effect – that caused it."

    Simple logic defeats this argument. Space, and even time itself, were created in the big bang. Before that, there was no space and there was no time. There was no "before". Therefore, there could NOT be an agent. There was no where for the agent to exist, and there was no "before" for the agent to exist in. With no space, and no time, there can be no agent. There can't "be" anything.

    March 21, 2014 at 12:59 pm |
    • Vic

      what you just described does in fact support what Dr. Leslie Wickman speaks of as the "outside of this universe" Agent, hence "First Cause" as a Logical Must.

      March 21, 2014 at 1:03 pm |
      • distrbnce

        Sorry, but logic doesn't allow you to guess "Musts"

        March 21, 2014 at 1:05 pm |
      • Dyslexic doG

        you're not good with logic, are you Vic?

        March 21, 2014 at 1:05 pm |
      • ramblingsofnihility

        "what you just described does in fact support what Dr. Leslie Wickman speaks of as the "outside of this universe" Agent, hence "First Cause" as a Logical Must."

        How do you get from a cause, to the cause being an "agent"?

        March 21, 2014 at 1:08 pm |
        • Vic

          The Agent of concern is the "First Cause."

          March 21, 2014 at 1:10 pm |
        • ramblingsofnihility

          "The Agent of concern"

          Please provide the properties of this "agent of concern" and how it's properties was able to produce the event in reference.

          March 21, 2014 at 1:15 pm |
        • Vic

          Metaphysical, Eternal in Generation, Self-Existent, UNCAUSED, and outside the beginning, time and realm of this existence and not subject to it.

          March 21, 2014 at 1:21 pm |
        • Vic

          Oh..regarding the how, that's of the Divine Realm. We are not made to know nor understand such Supernatural Powers.

          March 21, 2014 at 1:33 pm |
        • ausphor

          Vic
          Are you posting from "The Twilight Zone".

          March 21, 2014 at 1:34 pm |
      • lsmooney

        Vic, so this "agent" that "caused" the big bang existed when? Before? There was no before. There was no time, so there was no before. Therefore there was no agent. And there was no cause.

        March 21, 2014 at 1:26 pm |
      • christopherdjlong

        You cannot define a system from within a system. The beginning of the universe is the vertical asymptote of logic and knowledge.

        March 21, 2014 at 1:31 pm |
    • ramblingsofnihility

      Believers will claim that their god exists outside of space and time, so no problem there. They can't provide any verifiable evidence for that, but will definitely make that assertion.

      March 21, 2014 at 1:05 pm |
    • jameshunt81

      holy moly, you just broke the universe!!!!

      March 21, 2014 at 1:09 pm |
      • lsmooney

        Actually no. Cause and effect only exist inside the universe. There has to be a universe for the rule to apply. They existed only after the big bang. Since there was no time "before" the big bang, there was no "before". With no before, there was no cause. With no cause, there is no reason. There just is. That's all there is. The universe just exists.

        If the universe had a beginning, then it had to have no cause for it to begin. Because there was nothing to cause it. There was no existence. Even "was" didn't exist.

        March 21, 2014 at 1:38 pm |
  12. distrbnce

    Headline: God's Gap Gets Smaller

    March 21, 2014 at 12:58 pm |
  13. alfonse2014

    Reading these comments underscores how intellectually stunted the average atheist is: incapable of comprehending anything outside of what they can see, feel, touch, or taste. Denying the existence of things beyond our physical world is a demonstration of philosophical ignorance of the highest order.

    March 21, 2014 at 12:52 pm |
    • Dyslexic doG

      do you believe in Santa and the easter bunny and the tooth fairy then?

      March 21, 2014 at 12:54 pm |
      • alfonse2014

        Thanks for demonstrating exactly what i was talking about: The average atheist's complete inability to have even the simpliest of philosophical discussions without resorting to junvenile retorts

        March 21, 2014 at 1:05 pm |
        • ramblingsofnihility

          "Thanks for demonstrating exactly what i was talking about: The average atheist's complete inability to have even the simpliest of philosophical discussions without resorting to junvenile retorts"

          All you have to do is provide credible, convincing, verifiable evidence for a god and then there wouldn't be any argument over the existence of a god. So please, do provide and let's end this debate.

          March 21, 2014 at 1:11 pm |
        • LinCA

          @alfonse2014

          You said, "The average atheist's complete inability to have even the simpliest of philosophical discussions without resorting to junvenile retorts"
          Please provide some evidence that shows that your god is any different from the Tooth Fairy. Without that supporting evidence it isn't. Believing there are gods is just as infantile as believing Superman, or any other fictional character, is real.

          March 21, 2014 at 1:15 pm |
    • jsharp2014

      Yea, sure because they don't believe in your little make believe god. That's what it is.

      I think it is actually very simple. You are obviously wrong and we know it.

      March 21, 2014 at 12:54 pm |
    • colin31714

      You are right. So, I now believe in Allah, Yahweh, Vishnu, Krishna and Lord Brahma.

      March 21, 2014 at 12:56 pm |
    • ramblingsofnihility

      "Denying the existence of things beyond our physical world is a demonstration of philosophical ignorance of the highest order."

      Please provide the credible, convincing, verifiable evidence of anything existing beyond our physical world.

      March 21, 2014 at 12:58 pm |
      • maanirantel

        "Love" exists beyond our physical world (setting aside references to the biological specifics re endorphins, etc.). So do all of our other"feelings:" (anger, fear, etc.). There is no "empirical evidence" for their existence – you could not "prove" they exist by attempting to explain it to someone else – yet they exist.

        March 21, 2014 at 1:12 pm |
        • Dyslexic doG

          asinine analogy

          March 21, 2014 at 1:22 pm |
        • scanboy

          Read: A Natural History of Human Emotions by Stuart Walton

          March 21, 2014 at 1:36 pm |
        • ramblingsofnihility

          "Love" exists beyond our physical world (setting aside references to the biological specifics re endorphins, etc.). So do all of our other"feelings:" (anger, fear, etc.). There is no "empirical evidence" for their existence – you could not "prove" they exist by attempting to explain it to someone else – yet they exist.

          Love, anger, fear, etc., are just descriptive words to label what has been defined as feelings that takes place in a physical being in a physical world. They are not enti-ties that exist on their own in some supernatural dimension.

          March 21, 2014 at 2:07 pm |
        • G to the T

          "There is no "empirical evidence" for their existence "

          OF COURSE THERE IS – there's an entire field of biological study – it's called neuroscience. They can isolate which parts of the brain generate these ideas/emotions and how.

          To assume they have some kind of aristotilian existence outside of the objective universe is unfounded.

          March 24, 2014 at 11:47 am |
    • distrbnce

      Denying existence is not the same as just not being convinced by every creation story you've read.

      Being super-ultra-gullible does not magically make you philosophically intelligent. Neither does using 2 spaces in every instance.

      Being a critical thinker, does however, make you philosophically intelligent. Cheers!

      March 21, 2014 at 1:00 pm |
    • joey3467

      I don't deny it exists but I am certainly not going to believe it does until someone proves it.

      March 21, 2014 at 1:10 pm |
    • jameshunt81

      That an ad hominem arguement if I ever heard one, alfonse. Can't win a discussion, so resort to degrading the opponents intelligence.

      March 21, 2014 at 1:12 pm |
    • LinCA

      @alfonse2014

      You said, "Denying the existence of things beyond our physical world is a demonstration of philosophical ignorance of the highest order."
      Accepting things for which there is not a single shred of evidence is a hallmark of gullibility. Not being able to see through the nonsense being fed to you in the form of ancient fairy tales clearly shows the limited mental abilities of believers.

      There is no reason to believe that the ignorant sheep herders of the Bronze Age had figured out much of anything, let alone how the universe works. Putting stock into their ramblings shows delusion, not enlightenment.

      Believing there are gods is no more rational than believing the Easter Bunny is real. Even Santa Claus and the Loch Ness monster are far more likely to exist than any god ever worshiped.

      March 21, 2014 at 1:12 pm |
      • maanirantel

        "Accepting things for which there is not a single shred of evidence is a hallmark of gullibility." Okay. Let's take a hypothetical person, born blind. During their life, they can learn much about the world, including hot, cold, liquid, solid, hard, soft, even shapes (which are part of the "sighted" world). But how would you explain "color" to them? How do you "explain" "red?" "Blue?" "Magenta?" The question is rhetorical. Thus, if that blind person chose not to believe in "color" – since you could never provide empirical evidence for its existence – they would have every right to do so, since they have only your word (and, yes, the word of others), but no "proof," as you are using that word. Similarly, the only evidence you have for the existence of God is the "word" of those who believe (who make up more than half the population of the planet). So you have a right to choose not to believe in Him. But that doesn't make you right.

        March 21, 2014 at 1:18 pm |
        • joey3467

          I double check everything any Christian tells me because by admitting they are Christian they have already proven they will believe just about anything.

          March 21, 2014 at 1:32 pm |
        • zarquoniq

          But you can explain color to a blind person. You can explain how light works, how it interacts with the human eye, and how the brain processes it. They won't be able to experience color, but there's no reason they can't understand it as a concept.

          March 21, 2014 at 1:41 pm |
        • jameshunt81

          Studies show that religious people generally have lower IQ's and tend to believe in conspiracy theories more often. Just sayin

          March 21, 2014 at 1:44 pm |
        • LinCA

          @maanirantel

          How many people do you know that disagree about the color red?

          You said, "The question is rhetorical. Thus, if that blind person chose not to believe in "color" – since you could never provide empirical evidence for its existence – they would have every right to do so, since they have only your word (and, yes, the word of others), but no "proof," as you are using that word."
          You may want to reread my comment. I don't use the word "proof" unless I'm talking alcohol or mathematics.

          This hypothetical person is free to use a spectrograph and analyze the spectrum emitted or reflected by a particular object. He is also free to consult others. I have no vested interest in convincing him of my perception of color, nor do I think that it is sinful for not believing it or that his eternal life hinges on it.

          Very few people are hurt because of color.

          You said, "Similarly, the only evidence you have for the existence of God is the "word" of those who believe (who make up more than half the population of the planet)."
          Most people aren't a whole lot smarter than those that concocted the stories in the first place, and indoctrination is pretty powerful in shaping people's beliefs. Religion relies on both. Children learn from their parents (or their agents), who in turn learned it from theirs. This process can be traced back all the way to antiquity.

          It is unsurprising to find that most people believe some form of it, but that doesn't make it true. The mechanism by with religious beliefs spread also explains why it is so strongly regional, and why geographical isolation tends to lead to diverging beliefs.

          That most people believe in gods is no more evidence for the existence of gods than the belief that the earth was flat is evidence for its shape.

          You said, "So you have a right to choose not to believe in Him."
          I could choose to believe the Easter Bunny is real, but that would make me just as wrong as believers.

          You said, "But that doesn't make you right."
          True, it's not the fact that I don't believe in imaginary creatures that makes me right, although I don't consider it a choice. It's the logical conclusion of the evaluation of the available evidence.

          All available evidence leads to the inevitable conclusion that gods are highly unlikely to exist.

          March 21, 2014 at 1:54 pm |
  14. torchytodd

    It's so sad and disheartening to see idiots like Ms. Wickman getting paid to spout such drivel. And she claims to be a scientist? What rubbish!!

    March 21, 2014 at 12:51 pm |
    • maanirantel

      You know who else "claimed" to be scientists? Copernicus, Bacon (who developed the scientific method), Kepler, Galilei, Newton, Faraday, Mendel, Kelvin, Pasteur, Leeuwenhoek, Carver – all of whom were devout believers of one faith or another. Does that make them any less scientists? You need to think about what you say before you say it.

      March 21, 2014 at 1:20 pm |
      • joey3467

        How do you know any of those folks actually believed and were not just saying they believed to avoid being executed by the loving Christians of the time?

        March 21, 2014 at 1:33 pm |
      • joey3467

        The difference between them and Wickman is that they didn't just ignore the evidence that went against the Bible. Wickman works for an organization that claims that if science and the Bible disagree then the science is wrong. Copernicus on the other hand found evidence that the Sun was the center of the universe, and despite the fact that the Church taught otherwise at the time he pushed his theory anyway. Do you see the difference in the two approaches?

        March 21, 2014 at 1:36 pm |
        • joey3467

          universe should have been galaxy.

          March 21, 2014 at 1:47 pm |
      • joey3467

        You can't claim to be a doing science and hold the following position at the same time:

        We are certain that there can be no conflict between true science and true theology since God is the source of all truth; conflicts only arise from discrepancies in human knowledge, understanding, and interpretation."
        – author's center (http://apu.edu/cris/)

        An actual scientist will go where the evidence leads, and if it proves the Bible wrong about something then the Bible is wrong.

        March 21, 2014 at 1:39 pm |
      • torchytodd

        Why? You obviously didn't think before you started talking. You cannot possibly compare today's scientists to those that lived centuries ago to the ones that live today simply because science was in it's infancy. The observable world was much smaller, and the penalty for not kowtowing to the church was much, much higher.

        March 27, 2014 at 5:56 pm |
  15. Dyslexic doG

    I have been visiting this forum for over a year now. Millions of lines have been read and written in that time.

    All you christian regulars who have vehemently denied the big bang and called it a lie or a plot by atheists to persecute christians or an absolute impossibility ... need to slap yourselves forcefully in the face if you are now trying to say that the big bang is a proof of your god's existence.

    Slap! And slap again!

    March 21, 2014 at 12:50 pm |
    • doobzz

      It's just like everything else. They deny it until it becomes reality, then take credit for it.

      Fifty years from now, they will claim that they were the ones who first proposed equal rights for gay people.

      March 21, 2014 at 1:05 pm |
  16. meatheist

    She entirely forgot the COBS factor and failed to exclude it in this article.

    That is the highly ignored but real Coefficient of BullSh&t,

    March 21, 2014 at 12:50 pm |
  17. Dyslexic doG

    I burned my toast this morning and the scorch marks looked like jesus. Does that offer a proof of god or is that just the naturally existing reaction of the bread to the heat?

    March 21, 2014 at 12:47 pm |
    • Joeseph Eclaire

      Just proves you shouldn't get drunk the night before you have to go to work again.
      Although some say burnt toast is good for a hang-over if you can get it down.

      March 21, 2014 at 12:52 pm |
      • jameshunt81

        I find burnt toast to be great for a hangover, which is obviously proof that the judeo-christian god does indeed exist and created everything in the universe thousands of years ago in perfect order, even though there are trees older than the universe....

        March 21, 2014 at 1:14 pm |
    • Alias

      That is clearly a sign from god. He wants 10%, along with your confession.
      BTW – How do you know what jesus looked like?
      Couldn't it have been Mohamad or Cunfucius?

      March 21, 2014 at 12:53 pm |
      • Dyslexic doG

        it looked like the guy in that "Hot Jesus" article here on CNN a week ago.

        March 21, 2014 at 12:55 pm |
        • Joeseph Eclaire

          So are you saying that if God where gay you would believe ?

          March 21, 2014 at 12:57 pm |
        • Dyslexic doG

          if god were anything I would believe!

          March 21, 2014 at 1:02 pm |
        • Joeseph Eclaire

          Na,
          you seem to caught up with yourself.

          March 21, 2014 at 1:14 pm |
  18. kamamer

    "If the universe did indeed have a beginning, by the simple logic of cause and effect, there had to be an agent – separate and apart from the effect – that caused it."

    One person's logic doesn't mean reality has to agree. Relativity and QM defy simple logic. She should know this. It might be logically sound all effects need a cause but reality doesn't need to agree. I can easily posit a universe that caused itself. Or I can posit a reality of turtles all the way down, there's an infinite regress of causes. I have to accept my human brain, evolved to deal with running away from tigers and not stepping on snakes, can't accommodate that reality.

    March 21, 2014 at 12:43 pm |
    • Vic

      http://religion.blogs.cnn.com/2014/03/20/does-the-big-bang-breakthrough-offer-proof-of-god/comment-page-5/#comment-2969113

      http://religion.blogs.cnn.com/2014/03/20/does-the-big-bang-breakthrough-offer-proof-of-god/comment-page-2/#comment-2968150

      March 21, 2014 at 12:52 pm |
  19. Vic

    The significance of this discovery —existence of Gravitational Waves— in relation to God is the "expansion of the universe at a rate faster than the speed of light, right at the Big Bang."

    That implies that only a "Supernatural Power" can do that, hence the "Spoken Word," the "Breath" of God.

    March 21, 2014 at 12:43 pm |
    • Doris

      In this context Vic, what is the difference between unknown and supernatural?

      March 21, 2014 at 12:44 pm |
      • Doris

        or for that matter, yet unexplainable...

        March 21, 2014 at 12:45 pm |
    • Dyslexic doG

      asinine logic

      March 21, 2014 at 12:44 pm |
    • ramblingsofnihility

      "That implies that only a "Supernatural Power" can do that"

      How does it do that? I can't think of any other reason, therefor God?

      March 21, 2014 at 12:46 pm |
      • Vic

        By the Spoken Word, the Breath of the Metaphysical Supernatural God.

        March 21, 2014 at 12:48 pm |
        • jameshunt81

          Don't make us gag

          March 21, 2014 at 12:48 pm |
        • ramblingsofnihility

          "By the Spoken Word, the Breath of the Metaphysical Supernatural God."

          Is there a scientific journal I can reference that details the mechanisms of this?

          March 21, 2014 at 12:54 pm |
        • ausphor

          Vic
          Just replicate one supernatural event in front of a panel that consists of both believers and nonbelievers. You would probably cheat if it was just in front of apologists, oh wait, they do cheat now about science, like you tried to do yesterday.

          March 21, 2014 at 12:59 pm |
    • Vic

      Oh..besides that the universe had a beginning.

      http://religion.blogs.cnn.com/2014/03/20/does-the-big-bang-breakthrough-offer-proof-of-god/comment-page-2/#comment-2968150

      March 21, 2014 at 12:47 pm |
    • Sungrazer

      Vic, the speed of light limitation does not apply to space-time itself, it applies only to objects that move within space-time. You seem to think that "faster than the speed of light" is something outside of known physics that needs a supernatural explanation. This is not true.

      March 21, 2014 at 12:50 pm |
      • Vic

        Catch 22

        Did you know that there was no space before the existence of the universe?!

        March 21, 2014 at 12:54 pm |
        • Sungrazer

          There is no catch-22. Space can expand faster than the speed of light; this does not violate any known laws of physics. Objects within space cannot move faster than the speed of light.

          March 21, 2014 at 1:03 pm |
        • distrbnce

          Vic, you're displaying your ignorance in a loud way and it's embarrassing for me to read it.

          The big bang, the expansion of space itself, is not bound by the speed of light, and no shet space didn't exist before the universe... they are the same thing.

          March 21, 2014 at 1:09 pm |
        • jameshunt81

          Alright, stop trolling Vic.

          March 21, 2014 at 1:16 pm |
    • Dyslexic doG

      what does your god breathe in space?

      March 21, 2014 at 12:52 pm |
      • ausphor

        doG
        When I was a kid the god guy dressed in black with a funny collar and his breath smelled like Gin.

        March 21, 2014 at 1:05 pm |
  20. Dyslexic doG

    God is an ever receding pocket of scientific ignorance
    – deGràsse Tyson

    March 21, 2014 at 12:40 pm |
    • Joeseph Eclaire

      Me thinks you may be reading things backwards.

      March 21, 2014 at 12:53 pm |
      • Dyslexic doG

        fooW

        March 21, 2014 at 12:57 pm |
    • seedenbetter

      Also known as god of the gaps. God lives in the gaps of our knowledge. This god keeps shrinking as the gaps shrink.

      March 21, 2014 at 1:39 pm |
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