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March 20th, 2014
11:14 AM ET

Does the Big Bang breakthrough offer proof of God?

Opinion by Leslie A. Wickman, special to CNN

(CNN) The remarkable discovery, announced this week, of ripples in the space-time fabric of the universe rocked the world of science - and the world of religion.

Touted as evidence for inflation (a faster-than-the-speed-of-light expansion of our universe), the new discovery of traces of gravity waves affirms scientific concepts in the fields of cosmology, general relativity, and particle physics.

The new discovery also has significant implications for the Judeo-Christian worldview, offering strong support for biblical beliefs.

Here's how.

The prevalent theory of cosmic origins prior to the Big Bang theory was the “Steady State,” which argued that the universe has always existed, without a beginning that necessitated a cause.

However, this new evidence strongly suggests that there was a beginning to our universe.

If the universe did indeed have a beginning, by the simple logic of cause and effect, there had to be an agent – separate and apart from the effect – that caused it.

That sounds a lot like Genesis 1:1 to me: “In the beginning God created the heavens and the Earth.”

So this latest discovery is good news for us believers, as it adds scientific support to the idea that the universe was caused – or created – by something or someone outside it and not dependent on it.

MORE ON CNN: Big Bang breakthrough announced; gravitational waves detected

Atheist-turned-agnostic astronomer Fred Hoyle, who coined the term “Big Bang,” famously stated, “A common sense interpretation of the facts suggests that a superintellect has monkeyed with physics."

As Hoyle saw it, the Big Bang was not a chaotic explosion, but rather a very highly ordered event – one that could not have occurred by random chance.

We also need to remember that God reveals himself both through scripture and creation. The challenge is in seeing how they fit together. A better understanding of each can inform our understanding of the other.

It’s not just about cracking open the Bible and reading whatever we find there from a 21st-century American perspective. We have to study the context, the culture, the genre, the authorship and the original audience to understand the intent.

The creation message in Genesis tells us that God created a special place for humans to live and thrive and be in communion with him; that God wants a relationship with us, and makes provisions for us to have fellowship with him, even after we turn away from him.

So, we know that Genesis was never intended to be a detailed scientific handbook, describing how God created the universe. It imparts a theological, not a scientific, message.

(Imagine how confusing messages about gravity waves and dark matter might be to ancient Hebrew readers.)

As a modern believer and a scientist, when I look up at the sky on a clear starry night, I am reminded that “the heavens declare the glory of God” (Psalm 19:1). I am in awe of the complexity of the physical world, and how all of its pieces fit together so perfectly and synergistically.

In the Old Testament book of Jeremiah, the writer tells us that God “established (his) covenant with day and night, and with the fixed laws of heaven and earth.”

These physical laws established by God to govern interactions between matter and energy result in a finely tuned universe that provides the ideal conditions for life on our planet.

As we observe the complexity of the cosmos, from subatomic particles to dark matter and dark energy, we quickly conclude that there must be a more satisfying explanation than random chance. Properly practiced, science can be an act of worship in looking at God’s revelation of himself in nature.

If God is truly the creator, then he will reveal himself through what he’s created, and science is a tool we can use to uncover those wonders.

Leslie Wickman is director of the Center for Research in Science at Azusa Pacific University. Wickman has also been an engineer for Lockheed Martin Missiles & Space, where she worked on NASA's Hubble Space Telescope and International Space Station programs. The views expressed in this column belong to Wickman. 

- CNN Belief Blog

Filed under: Belief • Christianity • Culture & Science • Faith • Opinion • Science

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  1. ellieavionics

    The bible was the single biggest pile of giraffe crap foisted on humanity.

    That, and Celine Dion.

    I've debated christians and if there's one thing they are really good at, it's twisting around like an oiled eel to counter any bit of scientific evidence that runs contrary to their beliefs.

    March 21, 2014 at 3:46 pm |
    • Doris

      LOL

      March 21, 2014 at 3:50 pm |
    • wilburw7

      I find it interesting when atheists try to argue Christians don't understand science. Science was mostly created by Christians, not atheists.

      March 21, 2014 at 3:51 pm |
      • ellieavionics

        I never said christians don't understand science.

        What I said was, they are capable of incredible mental gynastics when science starts going contrary to their beliefs.

        March 21, 2014 at 3:54 pm |
      • distrbnce

        But that's not relevant in the slightest.

        Who cares who discovers a truth? This right here is evidence that you don't understand science.

        March 21, 2014 at 3:54 pm |
      • doobzz

        Science wasn't created, genius. And that may have been true a few centuries ago, it no longer is. When the RCC was the ruling body of most of the civilized world, you couldn't get an education if you weren't RC. The peer review board was the RCC. If your scientific discoveries conflicted with the bible, good luck.

        Without religion, those scientists would have been able to publish their work years, even decades, earlier. We would be so much further in our knowledge of our world and universe if religion didn't need to control the minds and wallets of the gullible. It's likely that many diseases could have been cured long ago, if not for the religious who think that disease is a punishment from god. Our world would likely not be so overpopulated.

        March 21, 2014 at 4:04 pm |
      • ramblingsofnihility

        I don't care if a scientist is a Christian, Muslim, Republican, German, or what, if they are going to assert something to be true, they best have the evidence to at least show something to be highly probable, otherwise, it's meaningless.

        March 21, 2014 at 4:08 pm |
        • distrbnce

          It's so strange that they think we have some religious hangup with liking christians, or giving credit where it's due or something.

          We don't generally base our lives and behaviors on emotion and cosmic drama.

          These people are emos.

          March 21, 2014 at 4:10 pm |
        • wilburw7

          Yeah right. The theories about how life formed without God are a complete and total joke. Those theories are so improbable they are about like someone saying they won the lottery every day for 1,000 years. In fact, the chance of DNA forming the exact sequence that is observed in all life on earth is far greater than winning the Power ball lottery every day since long before the universe was estimated to have began. Yet if an atheistic scientist said it, they would have a very receptive audience with people like you. Life forming from a molecule into a human is the most improbable thing ever stated by a scientist if not a human in general.

          March 21, 2014 at 4:20 pm |
        • observer

          wilburw7

          Of course. Everyone knows that God came from nothing and then created everything from nothing. He took some dirt off the ground and magically transformed it into a man and then yanked out a rib to make a woman including different s3x organs.

          March 21, 2014 at 4:23 pm |
        • wilburw7

          observer, NO. God always existed. Life has a beginning and an end without exception. The universe did not always exist in its current state. All energy is moving to a lower potential but is not yet in equilibrium. The universe had to have started in higher potential state; it had a beginning. God does not change. God always existed. God is outside of time therefore His beginning is not even defined.

          March 21, 2014 at 4:38 pm |
        • observer

          wilburw7,

          Of course. God always existed but material could not.

          March 21, 2014 at 4:40 pm |
        • wilburw7

          observer, Right. Because time is a property of mass.

          March 21, 2014 at 4:46 pm |
        • G to the T

          "Time is a property of matter"

          On what are you basing that? Time/space is a continuum, it's what matter/energy exist in. That's like saying water is a property of fish.

          March 24, 2014 at 1:03 pm |
  2. wilburw7

    I bet God laughs at those that try to explain how life formed on earth by chance.

    March 21, 2014 at 3:45 pm |
    • distrbnce

      Why? Is he cruel or loving?

      March 21, 2014 at 3:46 pm |
    • Joeseph Eclaire

      Here's my theory, God could care less about mankind. My feeling is that in the grand scheme of things mankind is but a pile of s–t on a log.

      March 21, 2014 at 3:50 pm |
      • distrbnce

        Great, so can we all just ignore him now?

        March 21, 2014 at 3:51 pm |
        • Joeseph Eclaire

          Sure why not.
          But at the same time stop blaming God for the worlds misery. Fair enough right.

          March 21, 2014 at 4:05 pm |
        • distrbnce

          I've never done that, so yeah I'm gettin' off pretty easy!

          March 21, 2014 at 4:11 pm |
    • ramblingsofnihility

      I bet most of mankind will laugh at you when you try to explain how life formed on earth using philosophy.

      March 21, 2014 at 3:52 pm |
    • doobzz

      According to the bible, your god is pretty much of an asshole, he laughs at drowning babies too.

      March 21, 2014 at 3:52 pm |
  3. spacelasers

    The confirmation bias presented here is absolutely astounding.

    March 21, 2014 at 3:40 pm |
    • iconoclast1

      Agreed.

      March 21, 2014 at 3:42 pm |
  4. Georgia

    Baloney. He was right. It was prime argument from ignorance. And an elephant could fall through your gaps, dummy.

    March 21, 2014 at 3:34 pm |
  5. Vic

    ♰ ♰ ♰ Jesus Christ Is Lord ♰ ♰ ♰

    The significance of this discovery —existence of Gravitational Waves— in relation to God is that it confirms amongst other evidence that the universe had a "beginning" AND that the universe "expanded at a rate faster than the speed of light, right at the Big Bang."

    That implies that only a "Supernatural Power" can do that, hence the "Spoken Word," the "Breath" of God, as well as the "Logical Must" of "First Cause."

    http://religion.blogs.cnn.com/2014/03/20/does-the-big-bang-breakthrough-offer-proof-of-god/comment-page-2/#comment-2968150

    March 21, 2014 at 3:33 pm |
    • qsmurf

      LMAO!

      March 21, 2014 at 3:37 pm |
    • wowidk

      #facepalm
      Even IF there is a "God" who created the "Universe" we live in, there is still no explanation as to how "God" came into being. If you're willing to assume that God came from nothing, magically and inexplicably, you should have no problem assuming that the "universe" could have been come into being just as magically. God and the Big Bang are both illogical and they're dead-ends. Until we find out how something could come from nothing, we have no idea whatsoever about the "origins" of reality.
      tl;dr – God and the Big Bang are equally dumb theories because neither of them even come close to answering our questions.

      March 21, 2014 at 3:40 pm |
      • Vic

        God is Metaphysical, Eternal in Generation, Self-Existent, UNCAUSED, and outside the beginning, time and realm of this existence and not subject to it.

        March 21, 2014 at 3:43 pm |
        • sam stone

          in other words, vic, unprovable and unrefutable

          March 21, 2014 at 3:47 pm |
        • Doc Vestibule

          Gotcha.
          God can do anything because He is maaaagic *jazz hands*

          When logic fails, invoke the supernatural.

          March 21, 2014 at 3:47 pm |
        • distrbnce

          God is a feel-good Disney movie! >:/

          March 21, 2014 at 3:57 pm |
    • Longarone

      That is quite funny... Do you actually feel that what you wrote stands up to scientific scrutiny?

      March 21, 2014 at 3:41 pm |
      • Vic

        One of the monolithic mistakes the Scientific Community has made throughout the history of Science is to disregard Metaphysics and limit Science to Empiricism.

        March 21, 2014 at 3:47 pm |
        • ramblingsofnihility

          Please provide evidence of your god using metaphysics.

          March 21, 2014 at 3:54 pm |
        • Vic

          "First Cause"

          http://religion.blogs.cnn.com/2014/03/20/does-the-big-bang-breakthrough-offer-proof-of-god/comment-page-2/#comment-2968150

          March 21, 2014 at 3:57 pm |
        • ramblingsofnihility

          That's all you got. Fail.

          March 21, 2014 at 4:10 pm |
    • spacelasers

      "That implies that only a "Supernatural Power" can do that"

      It does absolutely no such thing.

      March 21, 2014 at 3:41 pm |
    • ramblingsofnihility

      Do you keep repeating this to try and convince yourself that this is true?

      March 21, 2014 at 3:42 pm |
    • sam stone

      it's an oldie but a goodie, vic

      no matter how many times you say it, it's still nonsense

      March 21, 2014 at 3:45 pm |
    • ellieavionics

      ""That implies that only a "Supernatural Power" can do that""

      No.. It doesn't. It implies that you don't understand something, and you try to fill in the understanding with 'god'.

      March 21, 2014 at 3:51 pm |
  6. qsmurf

    The first two episodes of the new "Cosmos" show explained the origins of the universe better than genesis ever did or ever could have...yet many believers are sucked in at such a young age that even as adults applying logic and deductive reasoning they cannot bring themselves to stop believing that "in the beginning god created the heavens and the earth."

    March 21, 2014 at 3:31 pm |
    • distrbnce

      This has happened several times in the past. They always come around eventually, I suppose the older ones just have to meet the maker, etc.

      March 21, 2014 at 3:38 pm |
  7. gauge2

    One more NO.

    March 21, 2014 at 3:26 pm |
  8. Dyslexic doG

    You mean to tell me,
    that a Jewish zombie can make me live forever,
    if I telepathically accept him as my master…
    all because a talking snake convinced a woman created by one rib
    to eat from a magical tree?
    Really???

    March 21, 2014 at 3:26 pm |
    • Joeseph Eclaire

      Oh so now this God is Jewish ?
      You people are digging deep ain't ya.

      March 21, 2014 at 3:29 pm |
      • Akira

        No really. If Jesus was Jewish and he is God, it follows that God is Jewish.

        March 21, 2014 at 3:41 pm |
        • G to the T

          Yay logic!

          March 24, 2014 at 1:22 pm |
    • seedenbetter

      Yes, that's what they're telling you. And that if you do not believe it then you will endure unspeakable eternal torture in the flames of hell created by the loving god. Praise Jesus!

      March 21, 2014 at 3:29 pm |
      • iconoclast1

        LMAO. Yeah. Nothing like making it obvious that you are trying to force people to believe something: "Believe the story we're telling you or you'll burn for eternity."

        March 21, 2014 at 3:34 pm |
        • distrbnce

          Try telling it to someone that lives in a cold climate... biggest bunch of satanists you'll ever meet.

          March 21, 2014 at 3:39 pm |
      • wowidk

        Sounds like a true christian. Acrimonious and ostentatious.

        March 21, 2014 at 3:44 pm |
  9. urnotathinkerareu

    QUOTE:The creation message in Genesis tells us that God created a special place for humans to live and thrive and be in communion with him; that God wants a relationship with us, and makes provisions for us to have fellowship with him, even after we turn away from him.
    Of course this is NOT a TRUE statement. What is should read is that " man has decided without evidence that god "created"...all the rest is equally man created ideology based on what MAN DID NOT UNDERSTAND. Now they are twisting this to fit into what is now known about the rippling effect.
    “Science adjusts it’s views based on what’s observed WITH EVIDENCE>. Faith is the denial of observation so that belief can be preserved” Now religion is USING the discoveries of science to CLAIM IT IS EVIDENCE to support their unevidenced claims.....talk about fraud and hypocrisy.

    March 21, 2014 at 3:25 pm |
  10. auntiekale

    The notion of gods is too childish to continue to entertain.

    March 21, 2014 at 3:20 pm |
    • alfonse2014

      The notion of NOTHING above or beyond our Physical Universe is intellectually assinine

      March 21, 2014 at 3:27 pm |
      • ramblingsofnihility

        "The notion of NOTHING above or beyond our Physical Universe is intellectually assinine"

        Again, total dishonesty. Please cite in auntiekale statement where they claimed there is nothing above or beyond our physical universe.

        What I really do want you to do, is to describe the properties of something that does exist above or beyond our physical universe, and how that something created the known universe, using philosophy.

        March 21, 2014 at 3:34 pm |
      • distrbnce

        Intellectually asinine is assuming something out of pure ignorance.

        There's is nothing asinine about honestly considering evidence.

        March 21, 2014 at 3:41 pm |
        • G to the T

          Or holding to the null hypothesis until it can be proven otherwise.

          March 24, 2014 at 1:25 pm |
    • Joeseph Eclaire

      Don't you fret non sweet pea.
      No doubt you found your Gods already.

      March 21, 2014 at 3:28 pm |
      • distrbnce

        I feel like the longer this goes, the less your posts make sense.

        What the heck does this mean?

        March 21, 2014 at 3:41 pm |
      • neverbeenhappieratheist

        News Flash!! This Just In!! ; Scientists confirm: Still No Evidence of Anything Supernatural, Ever!

        March 21, 2014 at 3:43 pm |
  11. Aesthetic Pedaler

    What's gives, why doesn't "god" ever need a creator? I'll never get past the infinite regression of why the universe needs a creator but god doesn't. The god argument is way too complicated, the existence of our universe doesn't need such complexities to exist. The universe exists and its probably infinite, our simple minds can't grasp that, so we use the god crutch.

    March 21, 2014 at 3:17 pm |
    • Dyslexic doG

      amen!

      March 21, 2014 at 3:18 pm |
    • MarylandBill

      So if our Universe is infinite, why do physicists believe it has a beginning? Remember, up until about a century ago, everyone, christians included, believed the Universe was infinite in time (all that is required in Christianity is that the world have a creation). It was physics, not religion that said it had a start.

      March 21, 2014 at 3:24 pm |
      • Aesthetic Pedaler

        Why is god in necessary if the universe is truly infinite – it has no beginning!

        March 21, 2014 at 3:30 pm |
      • Dyslexic doG

        science only states that all matter and energy came out of one infinitely compressed point at the time of the Big Bang. They can show it traveling outward from that point. It does not say it was created.

        The eternal universe may be in an infinite cycle of expansion outward until gravity finally overcomes it and it all compresses back together to a point where it Big Bangs again ...

        As you believe in an infinite god, the idea of an infinite universe should be easy for you to understand.

        March 21, 2014 at 3:31 pm |
        • ramblingsofnihility

          I think the best we can do is say is that there was an unknown state prior to the big bang.

          March 21, 2014 at 3:44 pm |
      • Doris

        BVG theorem only speaks to a likely beginning to this universe. The authors are careful not to claim knowledge beyond that boundary although different theories have been suggested.

        March 21, 2014 at 3:47 pm |
    • amisc1970

      Absolutely. The article tries to argue that the logic of cause and effect dictates that if the universe did have a beginning, there had to be an agent that caused it. If that is the case, then by the same logic of cause and effect, whatever agent caused it also had to have an agent which created it, ad infinitum.

      March 21, 2014 at 3:40 pm |
  12. Matthew

    This is not a new argument and it isn't proof of God. You say God is a prime mover. But then argue that while God is indeed prime mover, he has no first cause and isn't in fact bound to the laws of physics. You try to use science to prove belief, and then argue science cannot explain God. Strange. And convenient.

    March 21, 2014 at 3:17 pm |
    • distrbnce

      Science is the thing you can trust every day. Religion is words and stories. People love stories.

      Mixing the two creates a powerful concoction for the easily confused.

      March 21, 2014 at 3:18 pm |
      • Joeseph Eclaire

        Lol !

        Oh brother. Hey, I can buy any science to say what I'm looking for.
        That's the best joke I've today on this thread.

        March 21, 2014 at 3:24 pm |
        • distrbnce

          What does this mean?

          March 21, 2014 at 3:32 pm |
        • Akira

          Hitting the bottle a bit early, Joeseph?

          March 21, 2014 at 3:48 pm |
        • ramblingsofnihility

          "Hey, I can buy any science to say what I'm looking for."

          Really? You might be able to find a scientist, or a group of scientists, that will defraud you of your money just to get your money, or maybe they even buy into whatever bs you are trying to prove, but that doesn't mean all scientists worldwide will agree to your purchased 'science".

          March 21, 2014 at 3:50 pm |
  13. edddch

    If God created the universe, who created god? If you say that God is outside the realm of physics, can I say the same about the creation of our universe? It takes a humble mind to admit ignorance.. sometimes you just need to stop looking up to the sky and simply say
    "I don't know"

    March 21, 2014 at 3:15 pm |
    • MarylandBill

      I think there are quite a few Physicists who would be out of work if you tried to remove creation from the realm of physical science. I think it would be very hard to explain the creation of the Universe as non-contingent. God, whether a personal God like in the Abrahamic religions or more an impersonal creative force would be definition be non-contingent. If something is contingent, it can't be God.

      March 21, 2014 at 3:20 pm |
      • G to the T

        "If something is contingent, it can't be God"

        I couldn't be the abrahamic god certainly, but there's nothing that says a god can't be contingent and be the creator of the universe. Once you open the doors to a possible supernatural explanation, there are no boundries to what can or cannot be. That's the problem with supernatural explanations, they don't actually explain anything, they just move the question one step up the causal chain.

        March 24, 2014 at 1:36 pm |
    • Joeseph Eclaire

      Uh, how about God just exist ?
      Why do we always end up back at creation. Perhaps mankind's capability beyond the 'realm' is the size of a pea uh.

      March 21, 2014 at 3:22 pm |
      • G to the T

        "Uh, how about God just exist ?"

        Or you can go with one level less assumptions (Occam's razor) and say the universe just exists.

        But by "god" you don't just mean the metaphysical concept of "god" you are referring to Yahweh yes?

        March 24, 2014 at 1:40 pm |
    • neverbeenhappieratheist

      It is because many people can't stand not knowing something, so, much like someone might pick a sports team, they most often just get a general sense of what the prevailing local public opinion is and then claim that as their own. Once chosen the team/religion is defended and protected by the fan/fanatic regardless of the actions of the team. They can have the worst record and mountains of allegations and reports of abuse but never will the faithful waiver from their support. "My team, right or wrong." becomes their silent mantra. It doesn't matter in the slightest if science/statisticians refute the puffed up claims of the supporters, they will continue to support them because they know no other way of life.

      March 21, 2014 at 3:34 pm |
  14. bobaboohee

    More religious gymnastic rationalization to support the biggest selling fiction book of all time.

    March 21, 2014 at 3:11 pm |
    • iconoclast1

      Yep. They've twisted themselves into pretzels once again.

      March 21, 2014 at 3:14 pm |
  15. lunchbreaker

    So,
    God, then poof: Big Bang. 11,000,000,000 years go by, poof: life guided by evolution. Anothr 3,000,000,000 years or so, man, with free will. Busy being this God is.

    March 21, 2014 at 3:11 pm |
    • iconoclast1

      He took a VERY long luck break.

      March 21, 2014 at 3:15 pm |
      • iconoclast1

        lunch break

        March 21, 2014 at 6:26 pm |
    • MarylandBill

      You do realize that if God exists and is anything like the traditional understanding of God, he doesn't exist in time at all.

      Also, how are you sure that life on Earth is the first life?

      March 21, 2014 at 3:16 pm |
      • Alias

        Amal;yze a joke as if it were a philosophic statement?
        Good solid win of that argument christard.

        March 21, 2014 at 3:20 pm |
        • MarylandBill

          When the joke is meant to mock God, yes, I will analyze it. Just like I would if you had mocked some other group. Using humor to mock doesn't mean you are not making an argument. It simply means you are being a jerk about it.

          March 21, 2014 at 3:27 pm |
        • neverbeenhappieratheist

          Right, it takes religion to be a jerk without even being funny.

          March 21, 2014 at 3:38 pm |
      • distrbnce

        Are you suggesting there's a missing chapter of Genesis?

        March 21, 2014 at 3:21 pm |
        • neverbeenhappieratheist

          Genesis chapter 51: 1 "And if you believe anything I just wrote down to be factual then I have some land in Persia i'll sell you, just go on in and tell the residents I promised it to you, i'm sure they will just get up and leave without any trouble..."

          March 21, 2014 at 3:51 pm |
      • urnotathinkerareu

        Cuz it SAYS so in the bible....every school child knows this. ( smirk smirk)....couldn't help it....lol

        March 21, 2014 at 3:33 pm |
  16. Doc Vestibule

    Religion was born to serve the same purpose as science; it answered questions about the world and how it worked.
    It was the first symptom of our sentience, of our consciousness and of our acknowledgement of our own subjectivity.
    When early man, his little brain bent upon survival at all costs, discovered that the world worked independantly from how he thought it worked early man was frightened and scared.
    That can't be! said early man to other early men. There must be some explanation, nature can't just be arbitrary!
    Ugg, said other early men, and thus "God" was born–or, more appropriately, gods.
    Early men weren't really very good at generalization, and since everything seemed to work independently from everything else, several gods were needed to explain the "stuff" that affected early man so profoundly.
    Early man, unaware of such mystical things as provability and objectivity, figured that somebody just like him, but a little smarter, must be responsible for how and why the world worked like it did. And since it was like him, it must be fi.c.kle, greedy, and childlike.

    In the modern world, we've managed to describe almost everything, in physical terms.
    We've even managed to explain a great deal, too.
    The spirit world, we've discovered, can't exist, without something else collapsing into nothingness around us, an eventuality which has yet to manifest itself; souls, once thought to be a physical ent.ity, prove to be nothing more than hopeful thinking by people who are afraid of dying.
    God, well, he and his kin have been relegated by science to the very beginning of time, the exact moment of the big bang, when all the matter in the Universe was concentrated into one minute area.
    Everything after that time is accounted for by physics, if only in a general way. And even then, God seems highly improbable.
    But physics, unlike religion, ultimately proves to be- well – provable!
    The world doesn't work how we want it to work. The world is. We can only describe it, and chronicle its workings.
    God is an explanation for the reason behind the Universe's existence, something which is unknowable and has no relation to what happens in the Universe.
    Science says that God is irrelevant to everything we do and everything we are; that means we have to work to make everything we do and everything we are relevant; and that's hard.

    March 21, 2014 at 3:01 pm |
    • iconoclast1

      Good comments.

      March 21, 2014 at 3:06 pm |
    • ifhorseshadgods

      Deities and afterlives are, to me, an absolutely natural side effect of the human brain's ability for abstract thought. It fills in the blanks that we don't yet understand .. naturally with anthropomorphized creatures of all sorts. It's a coping mechanism that is slowly going away as we gain greater understanding of our surroundings.

      March 21, 2014 at 3:12 pm |
      • G to the T

        If you haven't read it yet, I'd recommend "The Believing Brain" by Michael Shermer. He outlines what you are saying here and goes even more into depth on the underlying mechanism (patternicity and agenticity). Good stuff.

        March 24, 2014 at 2:25 pm |
    • Alias

      Unfortunately religion can also be used to control people and justify evil acts.

      March 21, 2014 at 3:13 pm |
      • johnbiggscr

        Though to be perfectly fair, so can science at times. The difference being is that science can advance past that stage whereas religion is constant of course.

        March 21, 2014 at 3:15 pm |
        • edddch

          When people use science to do evil things, they do it based on their own judgement. They are bad people to begin with. The same cannot be said about religious people. Nobel prize winner Steven Weinberg once said and I shamelessly copied it from the internet "Religion is an insult to human dignity. With or without it you would have good people doing good things and evil people doing evil things. But for good people to do evil things, that takes religion."

          March 21, 2014 at 3:18 pm |
    • qsmurf

      Spirit world and souls – my two favorite superst.itions that religion has so ignorantly contributed to the world are: sin and prayer.

      March 21, 2014 at 3:18 pm |
  17. qsmurf

    The question we as a species should be asking is not whether this new evidence is proof of a creator of any kind, but rather why so many of our species feel the overwhelmingly obsessive need to believe that there is something to prove.

    Why are so many people so terrified of their own mortality that they continue believing childish myths well into adulthood simply to comfort themselves when in reality they know they don't really believe what the bible says, they just like the idea of never having to stop existing?

    Making up fantasy stories to fill in the blanks of what we don't know is the worst thing that has ever happened to our species. Nothing has stifled and stymied our progress more than religious indoctrination passed on in perpetuity.

    March 21, 2014 at 2:57 pm |
    • Joeseph Eclaire

      On the contrary it is generally the non-believer who is frighten especially when it get's closer towards death. They spend a good amount of time through out their lives always wondering.

      March 21, 2014 at 3:02 pm |
      • ifhorseshadgods

        A non believer may very well be frightened, we don't placate ourselves with an imaginary afterlife to feel better. If believing makes you feel better, that's great for you ... but it in no way makes it real.

        March 21, 2014 at 3:07 pm |
        • Joeseph Eclaire

          Well, if living your life in constant doubt and fear is fun have at it.
          Get busy living or get busy dying . (from that good movie)
          I got my own set of fears and the last thing I need in my life is having either side of the argument bombarding me with half baked theories that can be skewed to mean anything.

          Both science and religion.

          March 21, 2014 at 3:14 pm |
        • johnbiggscr

          'Well, if living your life in constant doubt and fear is fun have at it.'

          Thing is we dont. In fact its been my experience that its the believers that live like this, always worrying about whether what they do will condemn them to a hellish afterlife.
          Heck a friend of my daughter even dropped down to her knees in the middle of the street once and prayed aloud for god to forgive my daughter for daring to suggest the bible might not be the literal truth. Her mother has banned her from watching certain tv shows or reading certain books in case they corrupt her, etc etc.
          Yeah, its not the atheists that are living in fear.

          March 21, 2014 at 3:19 pm |
        • ausphor

          Joe
          Perhaps you should stick your head somewhere that blocks out all the noise, ignorance can be bliss.

          March 21, 2014 at 3:21 pm |
        • iconoclast1

          They often don't understand that, for many of us, we insist on a connection between our beliefs and reality, at least to the extend we can comprehend reality. I guess they become so used to believing things because they want to, that our way seems foreign. It's almost as if they are saying, why would you want to believe THAT. There are, in essence, admitting that their beliefs are based, at least in part, on what they wish to believe.

          March 21, 2014 at 3:23 pm |
      • ramblingsofnihility

        "On the contrary it is generally the non-believer who is frighten especially when it get's closer towards death. They spend a good amount of time through out their lives always wondering."

        What's so wrong about wonderment? And btw, I am not frightened of death.

        And why, when Christians are about to die, do they and they loved ones spend so much time praying to stay in this world when they believe that heaven is the ultimate destination?

        March 21, 2014 at 3:09 pm |
      • Swarn Gill

        So you have some evidence to support your claim that non-believers are more afraid of death than believers?

        When severely traumatic things happen to people they often invent fantasies so as not deal with the horrors that happen to them. Isn't it more likely that believers being more afraid of death are thus inventing a solution that helps quell their fears?

        But that is as much conjecture as yours was. I can tell you that I do not fear death and appreciate life as much or more than any person of faith I have met. That is a personal observation, as is yours. So don't just generally like you have some sort of research on what is simply an opinionated assertion.

        March 21, 2014 at 3:09 pm |
      • qsmurf

        Seriously? The "no Atheists in a foxhole" argument?

        I'm not surprised by the lack of originality, but I hope you at least understand why this claim by believers is simply part and parcel of their heightened sense of "holier than thou".

        March 21, 2014 at 3:11 pm |
      • iconoclast1

        That's just another way of admitting that you "believe" because it goes you comfort, not because there is any truth to your beliefs.

        March 21, 2014 at 3:18 pm |
      • Rynomite

        As a non-believer, I have to say I am far less concerned about non-existence than I guarantee most believers are about the possibility of Hell.

        March 21, 2014 at 3:50 pm |
    • iconoclast1

      I completely agree. Except that I think that deep down they believe in all of that nonsense, or at least many of them do. The power of wishful thinking.

      March 21, 2014 at 3:03 pm |
    • alfonse2014

      Uh, wrong. Many of the greatest genicidal attrocities were committed by the wonderfully enlightened atheists
      1. Stalin killed MILLIONS in the wonderfully godless communist russia
      2. Mao killed MILLIONS in china's wonderfully secular cultural purgings
      3. Pol Pot killed over a MILLION in Cambodias secular genocide
      4. Amin killed a MILLION in HIS wonderful secular society
      5. and the list goes on and on

      March 21, 2014 at 3:26 pm |
      • qsmurf

        You post this nonsense as though it is somehow disproving that your cult has killed many more.

        And yes, it is nonsense but I'll let you do a little research for yourself into that to see if perhaps you might actually be able to educate yourself beyond your childhood indoctrination.

        March 21, 2014 at 3:36 pm |
        • wilburw7

          Christianity has not killed more than those listed. Mao is estimated to have killed between 50mil to 70mil over 31 years.
          The Christian crusades only killed about 200,000 over hundreds of years.

          You could add a lot more to the atheistic side with rulers over thousands of years that did not believe in God.

          March 21, 2014 at 4:12 pm |
      • ramblingsofnihility

        So I guess if there are two guys in prison, and one guy killed 10 people, and the other killed 12, the one that only killed 10 is clearly the better person.

        March 21, 2014 at 3:40 pm |
      • Rynomite

        Of course the greatest Tyrant of them all.... Yahweh... killed the entire world with the exception of one soon to be incestuous family.

        March 21, 2014 at 3:45 pm |
      • misterflibble1

        How many millions were killed during the 1000 years of the Christian Dark Ages? How about the Crusades? The Inquisition? Salem? The 200 year European War of Religion? And the list goes on and on......

        Your religion has murdered almost a Billion people. How how about you just shut up? K-thanks.

        March 21, 2014 at 3:45 pm |
      • urnotathinkerareu

        mmmmm...you are just as wrong. If there were NO wars or genocides or murder done by religion you would have a claim but also we all know religion has probably killed even more than the ones you cited. Doesn't this show then that theists and atheists whether they believe or not are no different.So how has a belief in god impacted the world differently than a non belief in god....zip...zero...nadda.

        March 21, 2014 at 3:47 pm |
      • ausphor

        alf....
        What else do those mentioned by you have in common?

        March 21, 2014 at 3:52 pm |
  18. lfcfaog

    I did not need to understand "gravity waves" and "dark matter" to understand God's role in creation.

    March 21, 2014 at 2:56 pm |
    • lewcypher

      evidence?

      March 21, 2014 at 3:02 pm |
      • misterflibble1

        Who needs evidence when they have a badly translated story book

        March 21, 2014 at 3:39 pm |
    • willthefree

      Great! Always enjoy discussions with people who claim to have knowledge for certain that they don't.

      March 21, 2014 at 3:03 pm |
    • Alias

      Ho many generations would we have to follow your family back before your ancestor said they didn't need to understand 'storms' and 'lightning' to understand god's roll in nature?

      March 21, 2014 at 3:16 pm |
    • doobzz

      "I did not need to understand "gravity waves" and "dark matter" to understand God's role in creation."

      Translation: Science is hard, and I didn't study much in school. I'll just let the pastor tell me what to think on Sundays.

      March 21, 2014 at 4:14 pm |
  19. drivenb4u

    No.

    March 21, 2014 at 2:55 pm |
  20. iconoclast1

    Perhaps the big bang is merely the expulsion of waste material from an adjoining universe. Time for a new religion!

    March 21, 2014 at 2:52 pm |
    • Joeseph Eclaire

      Yeah and then out popped this God thing perhaps.
      I've heard crazier.

      March 21, 2014 at 2:55 pm |
      • iconoclast1

        I was being facetious, of course.

        March 21, 2014 at 3:08 pm |
        • Joeseph Eclaire

          I hear ya, but if one can accept that a God simply exist coming out of a Big Bang should be even simpler a concept for the 20 something conspiracy dope smoking theorist.

          March 21, 2014 at 3:16 pm |
        • distrbnce

          Aren't you the one that thought we landed on a dessert?

          March 21, 2014 at 3:33 pm |
        • Joeseph Eclaire

          That was before I quit smoking the dope.
          Amazing transformation this reality can be.
          You might get there one day yourself.

          March 21, 2014 at 3:46 pm |
        • distrbnce

          Okay, I'm there. Now what?

          March 21, 2014 at 3:53 pm |
        • Joeseph Eclaire

          Now what ?
          What the h-ll are you asking me for, ask yourself. And if anyone tells you they got the answers for your life, run. It can only ever be experience on a personal level.
          And 99 % never get it.

          March 21, 2014 at 4:08 pm |
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