March 25th, 2014
11:53 PM ET

5 things you didn't know about popes and presidents

Programing Note: Don't miss Wolf Blitzer Reports: Popes and Presidents on Easter Sunday, April 20 at 2 p.m. ET. The 30-minute special explores the long and sometimes troubled history between the White House and the Vatican.

By Wolf Blitzer and Sean Kennedy, CNN
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(CNN) - President Barack Obama will meet with Pope Francis on Thursday at the Vatican, opening a new chapter in the centuries-long relationships between the United States and the Holy See.

While Obama has praised Francis’ focus on the poor, popes and American presidents haven’t always seen eye to eye.

With that in mind, here are five surprising encounters between the Commander in Chief and the Successor to St. Peter.

1. George Washington banned the burning of papal effigies

On the anniversary of Guy Fawkes’ Day, when a Catholic plot to assassinate the Protestant King of England was disrupted, American soldiers would often mark the day by torching a straw pope.

But just five months after George Washington took command of the Continental Congress’ army in 1775, he issued an order prohibiting the violent expression of anti-Catholic bigotry.

Washington thought the custom to be “ridiculous and childish” as well as “to be insulting (Catholics’) religion.”

Washington’s decision “spoke volumes to the Vatican. Outlawing an anti-Catholic event sent a very strong message to the papacy that the American government was not anti-Catholic,” said Candida Moss, a professor of theology at the University of Notre Dame.

2. A pope almost recognized the Confederacy

At the height of the Civil War, Confederate President Jefferson Davis wrote to Pope Pius IX, thanking him for his kind sentiments in calling for a resolution to the Civil War.

The Catholic-educated but Protestant Davis went on to ask the Pope for his recognition of the Confederate States. Throughout the war, the Confederacy had tried and failed to get recognition from other European states.

“For the Vatican, this is a very difficult situation: here they have one part of a fractured country seeking their support, and they don't often get this,” Moss said.

Pope Pius IX replied a few months later addressing Davis as “Illustrious and Honorable Jefferson Davis, President of the Confederate States of America.”

By conferring the title and honorifics on Davis, the Pope appeared to legitimatize the rebellious states. "It's a scandal all over the Union newspapers," Moss said. "This leads to the complete breakdown in ties between the U.S. and the Holy See.”

This perceived slight led Congress to explicitly ban diplomatic ties with the Vatican in 1867.

3. The Vatican helped end the Cuban Missile Crisis

With Soviet missiles in Cuba and a U.S. Naval blockade of the island in place, the Vatican secretly reached out to both sides in 1962.

Pope John XXIII issued a call privately and then on Vatican Radio to both the Soviets and Americans to compromise. Finding peace was not a sign of cowardice, the Pontiff advised.

“I’ve heard that got to (Nikita) Khrushchev,” said Cardinal Theodore McCarrick, the former Archbishop of Washington. “The Pope is looking for peace and why don’t you be the man of peace?”

The message appeared to break the ice and gave Khrushchev a way out – though the crisis lasted almost another week. The Soviets agreed to withdraw the missiles in line with American demands, and the Unites States secretly withdrew its missiles from Turkey. The Pope and the President had brought the world back from the brink.

4. The United States didn’t have a Vatican ambassador until 1984

In 1797, Congress appointed an informal representative to the Vatican to assist Americans in the Papal States, the first of 11 unofficial consuls appointed. But the country had no formal diplomatic relations in Vatican City until Ronald Reagan.

The major reason was anti-Catholic sentiment.

“(Harry) Truman said he'd like an ambassador to the Holy See, but there was a Protestant backlash,” Moss said.

Although every president from Dwight Eisenhower to the present has had a formal audience with the pope, it wasn’t until after Reagan’s 1982 visit to Pope John Paul II in Rome did formal relations with the Vatican gain traction.

In 1984, Reagan succeeding in getting his close friend, William A. Wilson, appointed as the first U.S. Ambassador to the Holy See.

5. Pope John Paul II tried to prevent the Iraq War

In the weeks before the United States invaded Iraq in 2003, Pope John Paul II dispatched a Vatican diplomat, Cardinal Pio Laghi, to the White House with an unequivocal message: Stand down.

“He went in and tried to make the case,” said John Carr, who worked for the U.S. Conference of Catholic Bishops at the time, “and the President gave the letter to an aide. In that letter was a warning about what might happen to the U.S. if it invaded, and almost all of those things have happened.”

A year after the visit by Laghi, President George W. Bush awarded John Paul II the Presidential Medal of Freedom at the Vatican.

Bush holds the record for most meetings with Popes: six.

- CNN Belief Blog

Filed under: Barack Obama • Catholic Church • Church and state • Foreign policy • Leaders • Politics • Pope Francis • Pope John Paul II • Vatican

soundoff (177 Responses)
  1. Akira


    April 19, 2014 at 9:49 pm |
    • Doris

      Does something keep happening to your acct, Akira?

      April 19, 2014 at 9:53 pm |
  2. johnstefanyszyn

    Did you also realize that "Pope Francis" ( Jorge Bergoglio) lives by the same "first belief" that President Obama has confessed to be the "light" of mankind?
    ....They both confess that "FREEDOM" is right and good...that freedom of all religions is the will of 'god'....that this freedom dictates that it is right to be free to worship any 'god' / any belief that one justifies to be right in one's own eyes.

    BUT the Lord Jesus Christ said the one is to worship Only the One Creator God and His Will Alone to serve in obedience and love.

    Soon, the Son of the Only Creator, the King Jesus Christ, will return to rule the earth in power according to and in obedience to the Will of Jehowah Elohim and NOT according to man's first love for "his freedom".

    ....and man will weep and will clench his teeth in anger when "his freedom" will be no more.

    April 19, 2014 at 6:20 pm |
    • Jeremy

      Are you seriously? You must be joking. Idiots like you will do anything to slander. Shut up.

      April 19, 2014 at 6:41 pm |
    • Bootyfunk

      you are in a cult. it's called christianity. they make you believe all sorts of nonsense.
      unclasp your hands. get up off your knees. go outside and put those hands to work helping your brothers and sisters.
      congrats - you're cured.

      April 19, 2014 at 11:56 pm |
  3. Bootyfunk

    one thing we do know about popes...
    they care more for the molester priests in their ranks
    than they do the molestation victims.

    April 19, 2014 at 3:40 pm |
  4. unsername1

    Perfect, Obama can replace Gecko in GEICO commercial.

    April 18, 2014 at 5:53 pm |
  5. thefinisher1

    Life disproves atheism. Your atheism is disproved atheists. Grow up and admit it.

    April 18, 2014 at 4:44 pm |
    • SeaVik

      How does one disprove a lack of belief in a fictional character? I supposed you'd have to prove that character is not fictional, which you can't.

      April 18, 2014 at 5:06 pm |
      • thefinisher1

        How does one go about proving God exists?

        April 18, 2014 at 5:11 pm |
        • SeaVik

          Well, if a god existed, you'd think there would be some evidence of its existence, in which case, it would be quite easy to prove its existence. Given there is zero evidence, it's quite far-fetched to just assume a god exists.

          April 18, 2014 at 5:17 pm |
        • TruthPrevails1

          If god existed, there would be no reason for conversations like this...even if a god were to exist, it is highly unlikely that god would be the Christian god.

          April 19, 2014 at 11:37 am |
    • Jeremy

      You're an idiot. And you prove it with every post. Moron.

      April 18, 2014 at 6:20 pm |
      • thefinisher1

        Awww. Did I offend your atheism? Awww. Poor baby!

        April 18, 2014 at 6:38 pm |
        • Jeremy

          Not an atheist, but you are incredibly stupid. The fact you're allowed near a computer is offensive.

          April 18, 2014 at 7:06 pm |
    • MidwestKen

      Please don't feed the trolls.

      April 19, 2014 at 9:58 am |
  6. idiotusmaximus

    5 things you didn't know about popes and presidents.................

    The quickest way to ATHEISM is to read the history of the popes...it's sicking....I don't think many if any Catholics read up on them......they don't want to jeopardize their ticket to this make believe heaven and no one knows where it is..

    March 30, 2014 at 6:54 pm |
  7. joeyy1


    March 30, 2014 at 12:30 pm |
  8. joeyy1


    March 28, 2014 at 5:11 pm |
  9. lookatuniverse

    Quran says (Islamic Scripture)

    Does the human being not see that we created him from a tiny drop, then he turns into an ardent enemy? [36:77]

    “He raises a question to us – while forgetting his initial creation – "Who can resurrect the bones after they had rotted?" [36:78]

    “Say, "The One who initiated them in the first place will resurrect them. He is fully aware of every creation." [36:79]

    “He is the One who creates for you, from the green trees, fuel which you burn for light.” [36:80]

    “Is not the One who created the heavens and the earth able to recreate the same? Yes indeed; He is the Creator, the Omniscient.” [36:81]

    “All He needs to do to carry out any command is to say to it, "Be," and it is.” [36:82]

    “O people, here is a parable that you must ponder carefully: the idols you set up beside God can never create a fly, even if they banded together to do so. Furthermore, if the fly steals anything from them, they cannot recover it; weak is the pursuer and the pursued.” [22:73]

    “They do not value God as He should be valued. God is the Most Powerful, the Almighty.”[22:74]

    “If you obey the majority of people on earth, they will divert you from the path of God. They follow only conjecture; they only guess.” [Quran 6:116]

    “The example of Jesus, as far as GOD is concerned, is the same as that of Adam; He created him from dust, then said to him, "Be," and he was.” Quran [3:59]

    “It does not befit God that He begets a son, be He glorified. To have anything done, He simply says to it, ‘Be,’ and it is.” [19:35]

    Thanks for taking time to read my post. Please take a moment to visit whyIslam org website.

    March 28, 2014 at 1:20 pm |
    • jensgessner

      All religions are equally misguided.

      March 28, 2014 at 8:34 pm |
    • realbuckyball

      Sorry. We already know Islam is a moon-god cult cooked up to unify a new empire. Mohammed never existed. Much of the Quran existed already in Arabic literature. They imported it, and recycled it.

      March 28, 2014 at 11:33 pm |
    • Reality

      Only for the eyes of all the Muslims out there:

      And from the studies of Armstrong, Rushdie, Hirsi Ali, Richardson and Bayhaqi-

      The Five Steps To Deprogram 1400 Years of Islamic Myths:

      ( –The Steps take less than two minutes to finish- simply amazing, two minutes to bring peace and rationality to over one billion lost souls- Priceless!!!)

      Are you ready?

      Using "The 77 Branches of Islamic "faith" a collection compiled by Imam Bayhaqi as a starting point. In it, he explains the essential virtues that reflect true "faith" (iman) through related Qur’anic verses and Prophetic sayings." i.e. a nice summary of the Koran and Islamic beliefs.

      The First Five of the 77 Branches:

      "1. Belief in Allah"

      aka as God, Yahweh, Zeus, Jehovah, Mother Nature, etc. should be added to your self-cleansing neurons.

      "2. To believe that everything other than Allah was non-existent. Thereafter, Allah Most High created these things and subsequently they came into existence."

      Evolution and the Big Bang or the "Gi-b G-nab" (when the universe starts to recycle) are more plausible and the "akas" for Allah should be included if you continue to be a "crea-tionist".

      "3. To believe in the existence of angels."

      A major item for neuron cleansing. Angels/de-vils are the mythical creations of ancient civilizations, e.g. Hitt-ites, to explain/define natural events, contacts with their gods, big birds, sudden winds, protectors during the dark nights, etc. No "pretty/ug-ly wingy thingies" ever visited or talked to Mohammed, Jesus, Mary or Joseph or Joe Smith. Today we would classify angels as f–airies and "tin–ker be-lls". Modern de-vils are classified as the de-mons of the de-mented.

      "4. To believe that all the heavenly books that were sent to the different prophets are true. However, apart from the Quran, all other books are not valid anymore."

      Another major item to delete. There are no books written in the spirit state of Heaven (if there is one) just as there are no angels to write/publish/distribute them. The Koran, OT, NT etc. are simply books written by humans for humans.

      Prophets were invented by ancient scribes typically to keep the un-educated masses in line. Today we call them for-tune tellers.

      Prophecies are also invali-dated by the natural/God/Allah gifts of Free Will and Future.

      "5. To believe that all the prophets are true. However, we are commanded to follow the Prophet Muhammad (peace and blessings be upon him)

      Mohammed spent thirty days "fasting" (the Ramadan legend) in a hot cave before his first contact with Allah aka God etc. via a "pretty wingy thingy". Common sense demands a neuron deletion of #5. #5 is also the major source of Islamic vi-olence i.e. turning Mohammed's "fast, hunger-driven" hallu-cinations into horrible reality for unbelievers.

      Walk these Five Steps and we guarantee a complete recovery from your Islamic ways!!!!

      Unfortunately, there are not many Muslim commentators/readers on this blog so the "two-minute" cure is not getting to those who need it. If you have a Muslim friend, send him a copy and help save the world.

      Analogous steps are available at your request for deprogramming the myths of Christianity, Judaism, Buddhism, Hinduism and Paganism..

      March 30, 2014 at 7:14 am |
      • honeykira

        Oh, gosh! More bafflegab!

        April 19, 2014 at 6:57 am |
        • TruthPrevails1

          Oh geez, the little girl who clings to imaginary friends is back to spew her stories and not convince anyone...silly gullible child, do your Mommy and Daddy know you're using their computer or are they too drunk to care?

          April 19, 2014 at 7:27 am |
        • honeykira

          You are an irritant.

          April 19, 2014 at 10:40 am |
        • TruthPrevails1

          You can grow up any time now honeybooboo. Look in the mirror if you want to see a true irritant and perhaps join us in this century.

          April 19, 2014 at 10:56 am |
        • TruthPrevails1

          Oh and honeybooboo, if it bothers you so much, why are you bothering commenting? Wouldn't you be better off preparing for Zombie Day tomorrow?

          April 19, 2014 at 10:58 am |
        • honeykira

          Ever other intelligent commenter here can see you for what you are: a crude, argumentative, mean-spirited troll who adds nothing of value to any of these discussions. Why are you here?

          April 19, 2014 at 11:18 am |
        • TruthPrevails1

          oh my honeybooboo, you speak only for yourself. You're rude and judgemental-not very Christian at all!! Why are you here? I'm here because silly religious folk like you are here spreading your stories that are false and freedom of speech is wonderful thing...I'm sorry you're feeling so persecuted-GROW UP!! Can you not face the fact that there is no need for your belief system any more? Can you not face the fact that your ilks numbers are dwindling and that really there is no evidence to support the existence of your imaginary friend god? Can you not face the fact that your bible can be proven false?
          You were rude to Reality and then when your ass was handed back to you, you got upset-a little hypocrital!

          April 19, 2014 at 11:28 am |
      • TruthPrevails1

        Reality: Given that honeykira (booboo) seems to wish to insult you and be a hypocrite, could you please post the list for Christians?

        April 19, 2014 at 11:39 am |
        • Reality

          Covering all religions in one "kyboshing":

          To all the misguided "believers" out there, your salvation is at hand:

          Tis mind boggling that your religions can be brought down to earth in less than ten seconds.
          Again for the new members:

          • As far as one knows or can tell, there was no Abraham i.e. the foundations of Judaism, Christianity and Islam are non-existent.

          • As far as one knows or can tell, there was no Moses i.e. the pillars of Judaism, Christianity and Islam have no strength of purpose.

          • There was no Gabriel i.e. Islam fails as a religion. Christianity partially fails.

          • There was no Easter i.e. Christianity completely fails as a religion.

          • There was no Moroni i.e. Mormonism is nothing more than a business cult.

          • Sacred/revered cows, monkey gods, castes, reincarnations and therefore Hinduism fails as a religion.

          • Fat Buddhas here, skinny Buddhas there, reincarnated/reborn Buddhas everywhere makes for a no on Buddhism.

          Added details available upon written request.

          April 19, 2014 at 9:15 pm |
        • Reality

          Deprogramming Christianity with added details as requested:

          Saving Christians from the Resurrection Con:

          From that famous passage: In 1 Corinthians 15 St. Paul reasoned, "If Christ has not been raised, our preaching is useless and so is your faith."

          Even now Catholic/Christian professors of theology are questioning the bodily resurrection of the simple, preacher man aka Jesus.

          To wit;

          From a major Catholic university's theology professor’s grad school white-board notes:

          "Heaven is a Spirit state or spiritual reality of union with God in love, without earthly – earth bound distractions.
          Jesus and Mary's bodies are therefore not in Heaven.

          Most believe that it to mean that the personal spiritual self that survives death is in continuity with the self we were while living on earth as an embodied person.

          Again, the physical Resurrection (meaning a resuscitated corpse returning to life), Ascension (of Jesus' crucified corpse), and Assumption (Mary's corpse) into heaven did not take place.

          The Ascension symbolizes the end of Jesus' earthly ministry and the beginning of the Church.

          Only Luke's Gospel records it. The Assumption ties Jesus' mission to Pentecost and missionary activity of Jesus' followers The Assumption has multiple layers of symbolism, some are related to Mary's special role as "Christ bearer" (theotokos). It does not seem fitting that Mary, the body of Jesus' Virgin-Mother (another biblically based symbol found in Luke 1) would be derived by worms upon her death. Mary's assumption also shows God's positive regard, not only for Christ's male body, but also for female bodies." "

          "In three controversial Wednesday Audiences, Pope John Paul II pointed out that the essential characteristic of heaven, hell or purgatory is that they are states of being of a spirit (angel/demon) or human soul, rather than places, as commonly perceived and represented in human language. This language of place is, according to the Pope, inadequate to describe the realities involved, since it is tied to the temporal order in which this world and we exist. In this he is applying the philosophical categories used by the Church in her theology and saying what St. Thomas Aquinas said long before him."

          With respect to rising from the dead, we also have this account:

          o An added note: As per R.B. Stewart in his introduction to the recent book, The Resurrection of Jesus, Crossan and Wright in Dialogue,
          o "Reimarus (1774-1778) posits that Jesus became sidetracked by embracing a political position, sought to force God's hand and that he died alone deserted by his disciples. What began as a call for repentance ended up as a misguided attempt to usher in the earthly political kingdom of God. After Jesus' failure and death, his disciples stole his body and declared his resurrection in order to maintain their financial security and ensure themselves some standing."

          o p.168. by Ted Peters:
          Even so, asking historical questions is our responsibility. Did Jesus really rise from the tomb? Is it necessary to have been raised from the tomb and to appear to his disciples in order to explain the rise of early church and the transcription of the bible? Crossan answers no, Wright answers, yes. "

          o So where are the bones"? As per Professor Crossan's analyses in his many books, the body of Jesus would have ended up in the mass graves of the crucified, eaten by wild dogs, covered with lime in a shallow grave, or under a pile of stones.

          April 19, 2014 at 9:19 pm |
  10. unsername1

    hurray Popes are back on CNN!!!

    March 26, 2014 at 5:10 pm |
    • realbuckyball

      You knew there would be at least one this week.

      March 28, 2014 at 11:57 pm |
  11. Alias

    So when it became popular, the politicians started being seen with the pope.
    I don't understand why they wrote this articel instead of just making that statement.

    March 26, 2014 at 1:10 pm |
    • Peaceadvocate2014

      It shows the influence the RCC has, use it responsibly.

      March 26, 2014 at 2:19 pm |
      • Blessed are the Cheesemakers

        That is not their strong suit....

        March 26, 2014 at 9:51 pm |
    • kudlak

      Maybe more to do with the Jet Age making such meeting easier?

      March 26, 2014 at 6:43 pm |
  12. myweightinwords

    For the folks claiming the Pope is Pagan, I would like to point out that technically that isn't true.

    Yes, Christianity borrowed a lot from Paganism, but Pagans are an entirely different breed of folks.

    The word Pagan is a broad term that encompasses quite a few different belief systems, including some that aren't really formalized and codified as religions. It's really such a generic term that it can not definitively tell you what a person who uses it actually believes.

    But then, Christian has become much the same. Most Christians at least share a basic core belief, but even there differences exist.

    Rather than using the terms to label and demonize others I find it more beneficial to talk, take each person as they come. Talk with them, learn about them and what they believe, why they believe....

    But, that said, the Pope? He isn't one of ours (Pagans. Yes, I am a Pagan). He is definitely under the Christian umbrella.

    March 26, 2014 at 12:32 pm |
    • Akira

      There was only one person who claimed that the Pope was pagan on this page that I saw, and that person was shown to be completely uncredible.

      March 26, 2014 at 12:44 pm |
      • myweightinwords

        True for today. I've seen it before though, multiple times.

        Heck, when I was a Christian we said the same thing. I just wanted to point out that from a Pagan perspective, he's very much not.

        March 26, 2014 at 12:46 pm |
        • Akira

          I've seen it in the past before, also..I don't think people understand what pagan is/means, and just use it as some sort of epithet.

          March 26, 2014 at 12:51 pm |
        • myweightinwords

          Very true, and most have never knowingly conversed with a Pagan. We don't generally tend to announce it and even our dress/jewelry clues are kind of obscure (beyond the pentacle), so unless you already know what you're looking at, it doesn't stand out as a neon sign that says PAGAN the same way a cross or a star of David might.

          March 26, 2014 at 12:54 pm |
    • bostontola

      Out of curiosity, what are your basic beliefs as a Pagan? Traditionally, it referred to polytheistic belief, but time has changed that.

      March 26, 2014 at 12:58 pm |
      • myweightinwords

        I tend to consider myself closer to a pantheist with polytheist leanings, I guess?

        My belief on deity is currently refining, based on experience and interaction with others and some deep soul searching.

        Overall, I tend toward the idea that all god-forms are valid representations of how mankind has viewed deity, and each have lessons that can be learned.

        I tend toward the concept of reincarnation rather than a heaven or hell, though I also believe that we might simply cease to exist.

        I believe in personal freedom and personal responsibility, in treating the earth and those who walk it with us with compassion and respect. I believe the only way to change the world is to change myself.

        I have studied shamanism, and still incorporate a fair amount of that into my daily practice, both with a Native American teacher (I am part Iriquois) and Celtic Reconstrunctionist teachers (I am also part Irish and Scottish).

        Not sure that fully answers your question...and I'm not always sure where what I believe is informed or filed under the "Pagan" label and what is just me.

        March 26, 2014 at 1:19 pm |
        • bostontola

          Thanks mwiw, I am also constantly refining my beliefs. I am an atheist. I respect anyone's right to believe what they believe. I only get annoyed when people try to impose their beliefs on others. You sound like a person that would be fun to talk to over a beer.

          March 26, 2014 at 1:26 pm |
        • myweightinwords

          I'm always happy to answer questions...and hell yeah, a beer sounds nice.

          Ever find yourself out SF way, first round's on me.

          March 26, 2014 at 1:35 pm |
        • bostontola

          I do get to San Jose on business every now and then.

          March 26, 2014 at 1:45 pm |
        • myweightinwords

          I live somewhere between San Jose and San Francisco.

          Maybe next time you're out this way we can work something out. I do enjoy talking to folks about just about anything.

          March 26, 2014 at 2:24 pm |
  13. bostontola

    I enjoyed this article, it is mostly fact based and well written. What pops out most to me is the historical battles between different christian sects more than the interactions between US Presidents and Popes.

    March 26, 2014 at 12:09 pm |
    • Akira

      I totally agree.

      March 26, 2014 at 12:25 pm |
    • myweightinwords

      That's what stood out to me as well. So much anger and vitriol between two groups of people that believe essentially the same thing.


      March 26, 2014 at 12:25 pm |
    • Blessed are the Cheesemakers

      It was those historical battles that brought us the seperation of church and state...thank goodness.

      March 26, 2014 at 9:57 pm |
  14. Alias

    “I think God, in creating man, somewhat overestimated his ability.”
    ― Oscar Wilde

    March 26, 2014 at 9:40 am |
    • Peaceadvocate2014

      Question is the ability of humans.

      March 26, 2014 at 11:34 am |
      • igaftr

        The ability for humans to create gods is only limited by their imagination.

        March 26, 2014 at 11:56 am |
        • Peaceadvocate2014

          Ability of humans to be moral.

          March 26, 2014 at 1:44 pm |
        • igaftr

          immoral behavior of humans, like creating and making up gods then convincing people they exist, right?

          March 26, 2014 at 2:24 pm |
    • observer

      Oscar Wilde was right. The first woman created directly by God blew one of his first instructions. Then the very first human baby killed the second human baby and finally God was sorry he had created them and basically wiped out mankind to start again,

      March 26, 2014 at 11:38 am |
  15. Theo Phileo

    How baby steps can lead to disaster...
    AD 325 – Council of Nicea – Catholic church began, combining church and government
    AD 394 – Latin mass established
    AD 593 – Purgatory doctrine invented
    AD 606 – The first official Pope – “God on Earth”
    AD 1000 – Transubstantiation doctrine invented
    AD 1015 – Celibacy of Priests mandated
    AD 1054 – The “Catholic” Schism
    AD 1192 – Indulgences introduced
    AD 1215 – Auricular Confession (confessional booth) introduced
    AD 1311 – Aspersion – Sprinkling replaced Immersion for Baptism
    AD 1870 – Pope Declared Infallible…

    March 26, 2014 at 8:30 am |
    • I'm not a GOPer, nor do I play one on TV

      Disaster! Ha.

      March 26, 2014 at 9:14 am |
      • Akira

        Right? Looks like the RCC is a resounding success....
        Even Washington was aware of the anti-Catholic hypocrisy that is Protestantism...neither denomination of Christianity is free of that, nor violence.

        March 26, 2014 at 10:41 am |
    • colin31714

      It is amazing how much of Catholicism and, indeed, all of Christianity is made up. The Trinity, the Incarnation, Salvation through deeds or faith, prayers being answered, purgatory, hell, limbo, heaven, the virgin birth, miracles.

      All of them made up. No significant evidence for any of them. That billions will believe in them out of nothing more than a deep desire to believe tells us a lot about the human psyche.

      March 26, 2014 at 9:15 am |
      • workingcopy12

        Thank goodness we have people as smart as you to point out our errors. You are truly a god send.

        March 26, 2014 at 11:08 am |
        • doobzz

          Name calling instead of evidence. Typical.

          March 26, 2014 at 11:47 am |
        • colin31714

          My apparent arrogance aside, do u disagree with what I said?

          March 26, 2014 at 12:50 pm |
      • truthfollower01

        You should study the data surrounding the events after Jesus' crucifixion.

        April 19, 2014 at 1:53 am |
    • unsername1

      OOooooooo so it was AD 1015, when child molestation by priests began!!

      March 26, 2014 at 5:13 pm |
    • realbuckyball

      You forgot few.
      35 – Paul of Tarsus invented his Jebus, and began writing about his hallucinated gospel.
      72 – temple destroyed, and Apocalypics bagan to think they would have to reinvent their cults
      98 – Jewish High Priest requires Expulsion Curses be read to expel the Jews who also followed Jebus.
      100-150 Gospels invented the myth of Jebus
      135 – Jerusalem completely destroyed, and Christians began to go into high gear to invent their new cult.
      Then the councils invent the Trinity, the divinity of Jebus, Augustine cooks up "salvation" and original sin
      etc etc etc.

      March 28, 2014 at 11:41 pm |
      • truthfollower01


        New Testament critic and historian Bart Ehrman indicates that the credal statement in 1 Corinthians 15:3-7 can be traced to 1 year after the cross. I have included the verses below.

        1 Corinthians 15:-7

        3 For what I received I passed on to you as of first importance: that Christ died for our sins according to the Scriptures, 4 that he was buried, that he was raised on the third day according to the Scriptures, 5 and that he appeared to Cephas, and then to the Twelve. 6 After that, he appeared to more than five hundred of the brothers and sisters at the same time, most of whom are still living, though some have fallen asleep. 7 Then he appeared to James, then to all the apostles,

        If you would like more info on this I would suggest watching "The Resurrection Argument That Changed a Generation of Scholars – Gary Habermas at UCSB" on YouTube.

        April 19, 2014 at 1:51 am |
    • realbuckyball

      A few more 1200 BCE : Deborah begins to unify the tribes, and they "covenant" with the 70th son of the Babylonian chief god, (El Elyon) Yaweh Sabaoth, the war god- that they would worship him, IF he helped them in battles. They declare themselves as "chosen", and lay claim to the property of their neighbors and say it's their "promised land".
      500-600 CBE in Exile the Hebrew priests cook up the Torah of Moses, and combine the myths of the Northern and Southern Kingdoms, invent the Exodus, and the patriarchs, and dump Yahweh's wife Ashura. When the Persian Emperor allows them to return, he tells Ezra to promulgate the new "invented" national story (The Bible).

      March 29, 2014 at 12:04 am |
    • honeykira

      Thank you, Theo. The Romans expropriated Christianity from the early Christians and repurposed it for the political advancement of its continued empire building, making Roman Catholicism ("catholic" means "universal" or "involving all") the biggest harlot out of all the false religions.

      April 19, 2014 at 7:12 am |
  16. abundantlife

    Regarding the pagan pope:

    ===> http://abundantlifeliving.wordpress.com/2014/03/06/the-third-eye-paganism-pine-cones-and-the-bible/

    ====> http://abundantlifeliving.wordpress.com/2014/03/21/chrislam-rising-pope-francis-to-jewish-muslim-and-catholic-group-we-have-the-same-father/

    Regarding Barry

    ===> http://abundantlifeliving.wordpress.com/2014/03/16/barack-obama-barry-soetoro-is-just-not-that-into-being-president/

    ====> http://abundantlifeliving.wordpress.com/2014/03/25/perhaps-barack-hussein-obama-needs-another-birth-certificate-and-social-security-number/

    March 26, 2014 at 7:46 am |
    • midwest rail

      So your blog is dedicated to rehashing complete nonsense that has been debunked so often it should no longer be necessary ? Gotcha. Have fun with that.

      March 26, 2014 at 7:50 am |
      • abundantlife

        And that is your response?!?!

        Clearly you are married to the traditions of men and don't seek the truth of God's Word on the matter. The pope is a sinner. Mary was a sinner. The catholic church, friend, is rife with idolatry and paganism. It is moving towards Chrislam – the merging of Christianity and Islam – absolutely unbiblical – and heralding in the anti-Christ.

        Read your Bible! Do your research!

        The pope is not holy. One becomes a saint upon the acceptance of Christ as LORD and Savior. He serves a foreign god and this is why he follows pagan practices too.

        I Corinthians 1:2
        To the church of God which is at Corinth, to those who have been sanctified in Christ Jesus, saints by calling, with all who in every place call on the name of our Lord Jesus Christ, their Lord and ours:

        Jesus Christ is LORD and Savior and ONLY Jesus can forgive you of your sins. Open your eyes, friend.

        Jesus said in John 14:6

        6 Jesus *said to him, “I am the way, and the truth, and the life; no one comes to the Father but through Me.

        Jesus is coming soon. Repent and seek Him alone – for He gives eternal life and forgiveness of sins. He ALONE is holy.

        March 26, 2014 at 7:57 am |
        • midwest rail

          " Jesus is coming soon."
          Said every end-of-times nutjob in the last 2,000 years.

          March 26, 2014 at 8:02 am |
        • abundantlife

          Midwest, You need to read your Bible,

          Read Matthew 24. Actually, I'll post it here:

          Signs of Christ’s Return

          24 Jesus came out from the temple and was going away [a]when His disciples came up to point out the temple buildings to Him. 2 And He said to them, “Do you not see all these things? Truly I say to you, not one stone here will be left upon another, which will not be torn down.”

          3 As He was sitting on the Mount of Olives, the disciples came to Him privately, saying, “Tell us, when will these things happen, and what will be the sign of Your coming, and of the [b]end of the age?”

          4 And Jesus answered and said to them, “See to it that no one misleads you. 5 For many will come in My name, saying, ‘I am the [c]Christ,’ and will mislead many. 6 You will be hearing of wars and rumors of wars. See that you are not frightened, for those things must take place, but that is not yet the end. 7 For nation will rise against nation, and kingdom against kingdom, and in various places there will be famines and earthquakes. 8 But all these things are merely the beginning of birth pangs.

          9 “Then they will deliver you to tribulation, and will kill you, and you will be hated by all nations because of My name. 10 At that time many will [d]fall away and will [e]betray one another and hate one another. 11 Many false prophets will arise and will mislead many. 12 Because lawlessness is increased, [f]most people’s love will grow cold. 13 But the one who endures to the end, he will be saved. 14 This gospel of the kingdom shall be preached in the whole [g]world as a testimony to all the nations, and then the end will come.
          Perilous Times

          15 “Therefore when you see the abomination of desolation which was spoken of through Daniel the prophet, standing in the holy place (let the reader understand), 16 then those who are in Judea must flee to the mountains. 17 [h]Whoever is on the housetop must not go down to get the things out that are in his house. 18 [i]Whoever is in the field must not turn back to get his cloak. 19 But woe to those who are pregnant and to those who are nursing babies in those days! 20 But pray that your flight will not be in the winter, or on a Sabbath. 21 For then there will be a great tribulation, such as has not occurred since the beginning of the world until now, nor ever will. 22 Unless those days had been cut short, no [j]life would have been saved; but for the sake of the [k]elect those days will be cut short. 23 Then if anyone says to you, ‘Behold, here is the [l]Christ,’ or ‘[m]There He is,’ do not believe him. 24 For false Christs and false prophets will arise and will [n]show great [o]signs and wonders, so as to mislead, if possible, even the [p]elect. 25 Behold, I have told you in advance. 26 So if they say to you, ‘Behold, He is in the wilderness,’ do not go out, or, ‘Behold, He is in the inner rooms,’ do not believe them. 27 For just as the lightning comes from the east and flashes even to the west, so will the coming of the Son of Man be. 28 Wherever the corpse is, there the [q]vultures will gather.
          The Glorious Return

          29 “But immediately after the tribulation of those days the sun will be darkened, and the moon will not give its light, and the stars will fall from [r]the sky, and the powers of [s]the heavens will be shaken. 30 And then the sign of the Son of Man will appear in the sky, and then all the tribes of the earth will mourn, and they will see the Son of Man coming on the clouds of the sky with power and great glory. 31 And He will send forth His angels with a great trumpet and they will gather together His [t]elect from the four winds, from one end of the sky to the other.
          Parable of the Fig Tree

          32 “Now learn the parable from the fig tree: when its branch has already become tender and puts forth its leaves, you know that summer is near; 33 so, you too, when you see all these things, [u]recognize that [v]He is near, right at the [w]door. 34 Truly I say to you, this [x]generation will not pass away until all these things take place. 35 Heaven and earth will pass away, but My words will not pass away.

          36 “But of that day and hour no one knows, not even the angels of heaven, nor the Son, but the Father alone. 37 For [y]the coming of the Son of Man will be just like the days of Noah. 38 For as in those days before the flood they were eating and drinking, marrying and giving in marriage, until the day that Noah entered the ark, 39 and they did not [z]understand until the flood came and took them all away; so will the coming of the Son of Man be. 40 Then there will be two men in the field; one [aa]will be taken and one [ab]will be left. 41 Two women will be grinding at the [ac]mill; one [ad]will be taken and one [ae]will be left.
          Be Ready for His Coming

          42 “Therefore be on the alert, for you do not know which day your Lord is coming. 43 But [af]be sure of this, that if the head of the house had known at what time of the night the thief was coming, he would have been on the alert and would not have allowed his house to be [ag]broken into. 44 For this reason you also must be ready; for the Son of Man is coming at an hour when you do not think He will.

          45 “Who then is the faithful and sensible slave whom his [ah]master put in charge of his household to give them their food at the proper time? 46 Blessed is that slave whom his [ai]master finds so doing when he comes. 47 Truly I say to you that he will put him in charge of all his possessions. 48 But if that evil slave says in his heart, ‘My [aj]master [ak]is not coming for a long time,’ 49 and begins to beat his fellow slaves and eat and drink with drunkards; 50 the [al]master of that slave will come on a day when he does not expect him and at an hour which he does not know, 51 and will [am]cut him in pieces and [an]assign him a place with the hypocrites; in that place there will be weeping and gnashing of teeth.

          March 26, 2014 at 8:06 am |
        • Doc Vestibule

          Have you noticed that The End has been nigh for 2,000 years and that there's been a never ceasing stream of anti-Christs?
          “Children, it is the last hour; and just as you heard that antichrist is coming, even now many antichrists have appeared; from this we know that it is the last hour.”
          —1 John 2:18

          A Short List of Anti-Christs

          All Popes, Most Presidents (except Carter!? but especially Reagan), Emperor Nero, Arius of Alexandria, Czar Peter the Great, Caligula, Midrash Vayosha, Armilus, Adolf Hitler, Henry Kissinger, Mikhael Gorbachev, Napoleon Bonaparte, Antiochus IV, Ti.tus, Charlemagne, Benito Mussolini, Javier Solana, Rahmat Ahmad Maitreya, Saint Germaine, Prince Charles of Britain, Prince Felipe of Spain, Adolfo Nicolás Pachón, Miguel Angel Sosa Vasquez,King George, Elvis Presley, Sun Myung Moon, Saddam Hussein, King Frederick the Great, Aleister Crowley, Joseph Stalin, Francisco Franco, King Juan Carlos of Spain, Louis Farrakhan, Karl Hapsburg, Bill Gates, Jacques Chirac, Oprah Winfrey etc. ad nauseum

          As for "The End Times and the 2nd Coming" –
          Back in the mid 2nd century, Montanus convinced his followers that the 2nd coming would be during their lifetimes. Despite Christ's no show and the continuation of civilization, somehow the cult lasted for centuries.
          A couple of hundred years later, a North African Christian tribe known as the Donatists tried the same scam, saying everything would collapse in 380CE.
          Around the same time, St. Martin of Tours declared that the anti-Christ had already been born and was on His way to gaining power over the world.
          A mathematical Christian group called the Lotharingians were quite certain The End would be in 970CE becuase in that year, the Annunciation and Good Friday were on the same day.
          Pope Innocent III prophesied the 2nd Coming for 666 years after the rise of Islam., the year 1284.
          Archdeacon Militz of Kromeriz and an ascetic monk named Jean de Roquetaillade both said it would be around 1365CE.
          Melchior Hoffman, an Anabaptist prophet, predicted that the world would burn in 1533CE.
          The Fifth Monarchy Men, a guano insane English terrorist group, said the apocalyptic battle between Christ and Satan would happen in 1666CE.
          George Rapp said it would be September 15th, 1829.
          William Miller predicted October 22, 1844. Jesus’ failure to arrive is known as “The Great Disappointment”. Many of his disillusioned followers went on the found the 7th Day Adventist Church, who are still patiently awaiting His return.
          Charles Russell, 1st President of the Watchtower Society told his fellow Jehovah’s Witnesses that Jesus would be back in 1874.
          Rudolf Steiner maintained that from 1930 onwards, Jesus would grant certain people psychic powers to enable them to witness his presence in the “etheric plane”.
          Herbert Armstrong, Pastor General of the Worldwide Church of God said 1975.
          Bill Maupin managed to convince his followers to sell all of their worldly goods in preparation for Jesus’ return on June 28th, 1981.
          Benjamin Crème stated that on June 21st, 1982 Christ would make a worldwide television announcement.
          Mark Blitz, Pastor of El Shaddai Ministries says it would be September 30th, 2008
          Jerry Falwell said it’d happen between 1999 and 2009.
          Harold Camping told everyone that the Rapture would happen May 21, 2011 after failing in his first predicted date of 1994.

          Why would anybody believe you and your doomsday warnings?

          March 26, 2014 at 8:10 am |
        • midwest rail

          " Therefore be on the alert, for you do not know which day your Lord is coming."

          This simple sentence should have stopped nuyjobs like you from proclaiming the end of days, but it hasn't. Men have been making similar proclamations since roughly 40 A.D> They have all been wrong. So are you. And the tripe you link to regarding the President is just that. Tripe.

          March 26, 2014 at 8:12 am |
        • abundantlife

          See, you name call. Friend, you are deceived. You are not reading your Bible and this is evident that you don't see the signs all around you.

          Read up on the Four Blood Moons.

          Jesus is the LORD and Savior of the world. He alone gives forgiveness of sins by the death on the cross and His glorious resurrection. Yes, He has come to give us life, and life more abundantly! What grace! What a gift!

          May all who read this know Him who alone is TRUE.

          March 26, 2014 at 8:20 am |
        • midwest rail

          If the shoe fits....
          Please delineate the differences between your end-of-days lunacy and the hundreds of other proclamations made in the last 2,000 years.

          March 26, 2014 at 8:23 am |
        • abundantlife

          No. I don't feel lead to do that, friend. There is much happening as we speak that is absolutely unprecedented in history – and it has been happening rapidly since Israel became a nation in 1948. Now with a coming Peach Treaty on the verge of being signed between Israel and Palestine, this will be the fulfillment of another significant biblical prophecy.

          Read up on the Four Blood Moons.

          March 26, 2014 at 8:31 am |
        • midwest rail

          So you're no different than all the rest. That leaves two possibilities.
          !. You're a product of AB's fertile, if adolescent, imagination.
          2. You're a nutjob. Take your pick.

          March 26, 2014 at 8:34 am |
        • abundantlife

          No, friend. Name calling and diversion will not change eternal truth found in God's Word.

          Jesus was crucified because there were those who were threatened by His miracles and healing – and that He claimed to be GOD.

          Slander is as old as ever, since the beginning of time. Now we commit libel. Because people don't seek truth.

          Jesus said: You shall know the truth and the truth shall set you free.

          Be free. Ask forgiveness. Seek GOD. Pursue righteousness (only possible through His Holy Spirit)

          March 26, 2014 at 8:38 am |
        • Doc Vestibule

          The End is Nigh!
          The ancient prophecies are being fulfilled!
          Max our your credit cards!

          "The age of evil has come to the world . Everyone steals and hoards great wealth, and sensual sin rules the day. The end of the world is at hand – yet men are hard and cruel, and listen not to the doom that is coming . No one heeds the cries of his neighbour, or lifts a hand to save."
          – The Ragnarok

          Bow down to Odin, for Ragnarok cometh!

          Wait – hang on a second. Maybe it isn't Ragnarok. Maybe Kalki is coming! I mean, the Hindu prophecies pre-date the Christian ones by a good thousand years and yet they somehow describe EXACTLY what is happening today!

          "Wealth and piety will decrease day by day, until the world will be totally depraved. then property alone will confer rank; wealth will be the only source of devotion; passion will be the sole bond of union between the se.xes; falsehood will be the only means of success in litigation; and women will be objects merely of sensual gratification. Earth will be venerated but for its mineral treasures; the Brahminical thread will consti.tute a brahmin; external types will be the only distinction of the several orders of life; dishonesty will be the universal means of subsistence; weakness will be the cause of dependence; menace and presumption will be subst.itued for learning; liberality will be devotion; simple ablutions will be purification; mutual assent will be marraige; fine clothes will be dignity; and water afar off will be esteemed a holy spring. Amidst all castes he who is the strongest will reign over the principality, thus vitiated by many faults. Thus in the Kali age shall decay constanlty proceed, until the human race approaches its annihilation.'
          – Vishna Purana 4.24

          It could be that all of these ancient prophecies are sufficiently va.gue as to be attributable to ANY time period in history.... Nah, that couldn't be it.

          March 26, 2014 at 8:43 am |
        • abundantlife

          Yes. Repent, indeed.

          Acts 2:38
          Peter said to them, “Repent, and each of you be baptized in the name of Jesus Christ for the forgiveness of your sins; and you will receive the gift of the Holy Spirit.

          March 26, 2014 at 8:50 am |
        • midwest rail

          The diversion is all yours. You link to conspiracies that have been repeatedly debunked. You refuse to cite specific differences between your end of days lunacy and the hundreds of others. You are a troll or a nutjob. Take your pick.

          March 26, 2014 at 8:44 am |
        • abundantlife

          You are funny. No reputable information showing debunks of anything.

          Friend, your lack of faith or understanding doesn't negate the truth.

          Peace to you.

          March 26, 2014 at 8:51 am |
        • Doc Vestibule

          Are you missing the pattern here?
          Just as every religion has a creation story, so do they have end of the world myths.
          Doomsayers have been peddling their messages for as long as there have been religions.
          The signs of the End of Days can always be interpreted as happening right now, whenever the "now" happens to be.

          March 26, 2014 at 8:58 am |
        • abundantlife

          No, friend, I am definitely connecting dots. The Bible is proving itself over and over to be reliable and infallible. It is TRUTH.


          March 26, 2014 at 9:00 am |
        • midwest rail

          Survey says....nutjob.

          March 26, 2014 at 9:00 am |
        • abundantlife

          No, sinner saved by the grace of the LORD Jesus Christ

          We are fools for Christ’s sake, but you are prudent in Christ; we are weak, but you are strong; you are distinguished, but we are without honor. (1 Corinthians 4:10)

          March 26, 2014 at 9:11 am |
        • hotairace

          !Marilyn Agee is much funnier and has won awards. Really – google her!

          March 26, 2014 at 10:07 am |
        • Akira

          Marilyn Agee (hope she's not the sane Sinner Mary al was talking about)


          Rapture coming up in May! Or June. She have several different dates.

          March 26, 2014 at 10:54 am |
        • abundantlife

          No one knows the hour or the day that Jesus will return. Those that say they do are called false prophets. What we do know is that God says there will be signs of His return. But no one knows exactly when and to make a prediction of a day, month or year.

          36 “But of that day and hour no one knows, not even the angels of heaven, nor the Son, but the Father alone. (Matthew 24:36)

          March 26, 2014 at 10:59 am |
        • Akira

          Oct 6, 2013 – There will be a string of four "blood moons" in the year => 5775 <=.....

          Prophecy is FUN!

          March 26, 2014 at 10:59 am |
        • abundantlife

          Yes, Biblical prophecy is amazing indeed.... We look at signs of His coming and know that it is near... Come Lord Jesus, come!

          March 26, 2014 at 11:02 am |
        • Akira

          Stop looking for signs and making yourself hysterical, live your life as well and as Christ-like as possible, and stop lying and gossiping about others.

          36 “But of that day and hour no one knows, not even the angels of heaven, nor the Son, but the Father alone. (Matthew 24:36)

          Let it be.

          March 26, 2014 at 11:10 am |
        • hotairace

          So no one can know when the alleged but never proven jesus is going to return. And it hasn't returned in 2,000+ years. Why does anyone think it could be soon? Could it simply be because their delusions make them want it to happen in their lifetime? Confirmation bias to the max? Cum jesus, cum!

          March 26, 2014 at 11:11 am |
        • sam stone

          "Friend, your lack of faith or understanding doesn't negate the truth. "

          Nor does your faith prove it

          March 26, 2014 at 11:41 am |
        • sam stone

          "Come Lord Jesus, come!"

          Go meet him halfway. Do you have tall buildings where you live?

          March 26, 2014 at 11:44 am |
        • otoh2

          " Now with a coming Peach Treaty on the verge of being signed between Israel and Palestine..."

          Do not cling to a Peach Treaty. It's the pits.

          March 26, 2014 at 11:59 am |
        • joey3467

          As long as we are giving each other suggestions on what to read, abundantlife, I would suggest that you read anything other than the Bible for a change.

          March 26, 2014 at 1:22 pm |
        • realbuckyball

          How soon/ You people have been saying that for 2000 years now. Jebus said THIS generation shall not pass until ALL these things have been accomplished". Yet we get nuthing. How is it YOU know something no one else knows ?

          March 29, 2014 at 12:06 am |
      • Akira

        I checked out your blog. It was just a reposting of every conspiracy site out there.
        Not original at all.

        Mwr is right. Complete and utter nonsense.

        March 26, 2014 at 12:39 pm |
      • honeykira

        @midwest rail - Stop being such a turkey. At least he's presenting his viewpoints, while you present nothing but your hateful diatribes.

        April 19, 2014 at 7:30 am |
        • TruthPrevails1

          honeybooboo: It really is time to realize that there is zero evidence supporting your imaginary god or his imaginary son jesus. This is the 21st century and it is very sad that the education system failed you. You can join us or be left behind, either way your belief system is dying off due to crazy children like you who give it a horrible name.

          April 19, 2014 at 7:38 am |
        • midwest rail

          If they are "his" viewpoints, then why are all his links to repeatedly-debunked theories from other people. Where is his original writing ? Where are his original thoughts ?

          April 19, 2014 at 8:39 am |
    • abundantlife

      Indeed, the Bible teaches there are MANY anti-Christs -

      1 John 2:18

      Dear children, this is the last hour; and as you have heard that the antichrist is coming, even now many antichrists have come. This is how we know it is the last hour.

      1 John 4:3
      but every spirit that does not acknowledge Jesus is not from God. This is the spirit of the antichrist, which you have heard is coming and even now is already in the world.

      2 John 1:7
      I say this because many deceivers, who do not acknowledge Jesus Christ as coming in the flesh, have gone out into the world. Any such person is the deceiver and the antichrist.

      1 John 2:22
      Who is the liar? It is whoever denies that Jesus is the Christ. Such a person is the antichrist—denying the Father and the Son.

      March 26, 2014 at 8:18 am |
      • Doc Vestibule

        Doesn't the passage from John tell you that "the last hour" was 2,000 years ago?
        I guess he meant "the last hour – give or take 17500000"

        March 26, 2014 at 8:27 am |
        • abundantlife

          Read the Bible. Ask the Creator for answers, friend.

          March 26, 2014 at 8:35 am |
        • doobzz

          How do you know he hasn't? All you've done is copy/paste drivel from your book of violence and hate.

          But you add "friend", so that makes your name calling and arrogance okay, right?

          You're an asshole, friend.

          March 26, 2014 at 11:52 am |
      • TruthPrevails1

        Can you quote from any other sources? Using the bible to verify anything is futile when we would expect the bible to support your god.

        March 26, 2014 at 8:29 am |
        • abundantlife

          No. You can research for yourself. There is far too much, friend.

          March 26, 2014 at 8:34 am |
        • TruthPrevails1

          You're the one making all these claims, not me! I've already stated that quoting the bible proves nothing and yet you seemingly don't care. The reality is that outside of it, there is no evidence supporting your god and we know that the book was written by primitive man. You're telling us to read it but what you fail to comprehend is that most of us have been forced in to the belief (as you have) and through an examination of the book have realized it is full of horror and too many fallacies to make it remotely true.

          March 26, 2014 at 8:41 am |
        • abundantlife

          The fool has said in his heart, “There is no God.” (Psalm 14:1)

          Peace to you.

          March 26, 2014 at 8:49 am |
        • TruthPrevails1

          Very good and the gullible, weak minded one has quoted bible verses.

          March 26, 2014 at 8:53 am |
        • abundantlife

          And all you do is spew words backed by your own sinful thoughts. Peace to you...

          March 26, 2014 at 8:56 am |
        • TruthPrevails1

          I don't have sinful thoughts. Sin doesn't pertain to anything outside of your religion. When you provide evidence backed by more than the bible that supports your god's existence you might be taken seriously, until then there is no justification-outside of a weak mind, to believe.

          March 26, 2014 at 8:59 am |
        • abundantlife

          (Romans 3:23) for all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God,

          (I John 1:18) If we say that we have no sin, we are deceiving ourselves and the truth is not in us.

          March 26, 2014 at 9:10 am |
        • TruthPrevails1

          You have proven nothing other than the fact that you don't care. Why keep posting silly little scripture when you know it does nothing??? Is finding other evidence outside of that bible to support your claims that difficult? Can you provide evidence without it?

          Sin is not pertinent to my life...I make mistakes and they are dealt with in reality land, not some fictional land. I do not need an imaginary friend or a book to tell me to be good...I'm not the weak.

          March 26, 2014 at 9:20 am |
        • abundantlife

          I care about lost souls, like yours. Like the pope. Like Obama. Yes, I pray for the salvation of souls. Repent and live!

          March 26, 2014 at 9:28 am |
        • TruthPrevails1

          I'm not lost. I don't need to repent. I do live and the life I live is lived to the fullest because it is the only one I get, no evidence for anything after so I'm not going to waste my life for something imagined by man.
          Why is Obama lost?
          How is it that you think you have a right to judge others just for not sharing your belief? How are you even certain your god is the right one, if any can be right?
          Could you provide the scientific evidence that supports the existence of a soul? Do you even care that your beliefs are based on evidence or that your god is a vindictive, slavery supporting, rapist; child abuser supporter; murder supporter...monster??

          March 26, 2014 at 9:54 am |
        • abundantlife

          Not judging, friend. There is only One Judge, and His name is Jesus. I am simply sharing truth.

          I do not need to prove God's existence. He has already done so. All of creation declares His glory.

          March 26, 2014 at 10:04 am |
        • TruthPrevails1

          No you are judging, it is you speaking the words, so it is you who gets credit.

          No you are claiming this god exists, I am saying I don't see the evidence for such god, now the burden of proof lies on you. What you see as evidence is not evidence when science explains the bulk of it and nothing points to your god or any god. You failed to answer the other questions, so you either don't care or you have no answer...I'm guessing the big questions are too difficult for you to wrap your closed mind around and so like when you're asked for evidence that shows this god exists, you squirm away and purposely avoid them answering.
          The reality is that there is zero evidence outside of the buybull for heave, hell, god, souls, sin. The only laws any of us are forced to abide by are the ones set out by the government and thus those are the laws that matter. Your god is not worthy of worship unless you support incest, hate, murder, child abuse, slavery....to name a few of the horror's your god has allowed.

          March 26, 2014 at 10:28 am |
        • abundantlife

          I thought I responded to this already. GOD proves Himself and doesn't need man to do so. Look around and behold, all creation declares His glory!

          Peace to all. May you find the true peace found in Jesus sooner than later.

          March 26, 2014 at 10:38 am |
        • TruthPrevails1

          No abundant, you didn't answer. You still haven't proven that a god exists. You've merely told me things you think this god has done and stated your belief that this god did these things. Until you prove your god did these things there is no justification for believing it.

          I knew jesus...my parents brainwashed me to know the character...I simply had an open-mind and went searching for evidence outside of the bible and what I found doesn't meld well with your book or show a god.

          March 26, 2014 at 10:58 am |
        • abundantlife

          Comprehension issues, I see. Or perhaps it is a control issue for you. It is hear that I stop my engagement with you until you show that you are humble to learn and not argue.


          March 26, 2014 at 11:01 am |
        • TruthPrevails1

          No issue with comprehension here. What you're not getting is that just because you plug a god in to something and can quote the only book about that god, doesn't prove your god. How are you so certain there is an external force??? Why is it so impossible to be honest and admit to not knowing?

          March 26, 2014 at 11:48 am |
        • Akira

          PRO-TIP: always check Snopes before posting e-mail gossip as fact:


          (Concerning the Soetero malarkey.)
          There's more. Just use key word Birther at Snopes.

          As for the Pope: yeah, yeah, I get it. You don't like the Pope or Catholics.

          March 26, 2014 at 10:37 am |
        • igaftr

          "Not judging, friend. There is only One Judge, and His name is Jesus. I am simply sharing truth. "

          No you are offering belief as if it were truth.
          You do not want truth, you want your belief to be true.

          There are over 400 "one true" gods out there.
          For all you know, Satan inspired the bible, and you are following his words.

          March 26, 2014 at 10:38 am |
        • doobzz

          "The fool has said in his heart, “There is no God.” (Psalm 14:1)"

          So the book tells you to believe what the book says or you're a fool. And you fall for that?

          March 26, 2014 at 11:43 am |
        • sam stone

          "The fool has said in his heart, “There is no God.” (Psalm 14:1) "

          Wow, Quotes from a book are only relevant to those who accept the authority of the book

          So, get off you knees

          March 26, 2014 at 11:47 am |
        • observer


          "It is HEAR that I stop my engagement with you"


          March 26, 2014 at 11:58 am |
        • doobzz

          "It is hear that I stop my engagement with you until you show that you are humble to learn and not argue."

          Translation: I want you to believe what I believe and you won't. Wahhhh! I'm gonna take my ball and go home. And I can't spell.

          March 26, 2014 at 12:57 pm |
        • TruthPrevails1

          doobz: Exactly. No matter what you say if it permeates that bubble at all they run off like little children...rather funny.

          March 26, 2014 at 1:05 pm |
        • honeykira

          @TruthPrevails1 - I look at it this way, if you and all the others like you choose to cease to exist as you believe you will, I can assure you that the rest of us won't be weeping any tears about it afterward. So why keep arguing about this topic with him? Just go away and read the secular news pages where you'll find anything elsemuch more to your liking. Why come here only to castigate believers and say, "We want proof!"

          "He answered, 'A wicked and adulterous generation asks for a sign! But none will be given it except the sign of the prophet Jonah.' " - Matt. 12:39

          April 19, 2014 at 7:51 am |
        • TruthPrevails1

          You can view it how you wish, you are simply deceiving yourself due to the lack of evidence. Stop focusing on the afterlife when it can't be proven to exist and start focusing on this one.
          Quoting your book of fiction proves nothing more than the fact that you're a gullible dolt who doesn't give a rats ass about true evidence. Grow up and realize that the book means nothing in the real world and certainly doesn't hold much truth...in fact it can easily be shown to be fallacious.
          This is a belief blog and just because we don't believe in your imaginary friend doesn't mean we don't hold beliefs, we just hold beliefs that are based on evidence and not 2000 year old outdated books. We come here because we want the evidence known and to show how crazy people like you are when they hold the belief so close. Stop deluding yourself and grow up-imaginary friends are for children and schizophrenics-which one are you?

          April 19, 2014 at 7:57 am |
        • TruthPrevails1

          Oh and we're not going anywhere honeybooboo...this is a public blog and if you don't like reading the truth, then perhaps FAUX news would be better suited to you.

          April 19, 2014 at 7:58 am |
        • honeykira

          You sound like a bitter old man.

          April 19, 2014 at 10:34 am |
        • TruthPrevails1

          And you like a delusional believer. However, man is not what I am and bitter is far from it. You tried to tell me to go away and I merely responded to your rudeness and obvious lack of comprehension that this is a belief blog, not a Christian blog. Maybe if you didn't try to dictate, you wouldn't have gotten such a response but the second you try to do that, you should expect the same treatment to be given to you. Grow up honeybooboo...there is no justification for believing in the god of the bible-you know the one that condones rape (or perhaps you also do); the one who condones murder (or perhaps you also do); the one that condones slavery (or perhaps you also do); the one that condones oppression of women, children and LGBT (or perhaps you also do).
          The quickest path to disbelief is an open-minded read of the bible. I'm sorry that you have failed to do that and even more sorry that your parents caused great damage by brainwashing you.

          April 19, 2014 at 10:41 am |
  17. Reality

    Time to end the costly tradition as it is a waste of time and tax-payers' money.

    March 26, 2014 at 7:05 am |
  18. hotairace

    I wonder if BO will be asking Pope-A-Dope to release all information about priestly pedophilia and its coverup. This should be a condition of any papal visit, to the US or elsewhere.

    March 26, 2014 at 6:56 am |
  19. I'm not a GOPer, nor do I play one on TV

    The first anecdote is an interesting one.

    I guess you don't get a lot of help from pre-republic, Catholic France if you make a habit of insulting Catholics, (and of course in the end it was the French Navy who won the revolutionary war.)

    Washington is the consummate pragmatist.

    March 26, 2014 at 6:13 am |
    • I'm not a GOPer, nor do I play one on TV

      It's an interesting anecdote in another way as well. It goes to show just how "English" the colonials really were that they would celebrate Guy Fawkes Day.

      March 26, 2014 at 6:15 am |
      • hotairace

        Not to mention an early example of limits on freedom of expression (note lower case, used to indicate a generic right, not the specific one later enshrined in the US const!tution).

        March 26, 2014 at 6:51 am |
  20. abundantlife

    So the chalatan, Barry Soetoro, meets with the head of the pagan cult.

    March 26, 2014 at 1:17 am |
    • TruthPrevails1

      What??? Care to provide a comprehensible explanation of your drunken spewing?

      March 26, 2014 at 7:39 am |
      • abundantlife

        Which one? Barry or the pope?

        March 26, 2014 at 7:40 am |
        • TruthPrevails1

          Both! Obama is the best president possible for a country failing on so many levels. The Pope needs to turn over all peds but the immature name calling serves no purpose.

          March 26, 2014 at 7:56 am |
        • abundantlife

          Friend, there is no immaturity here. Obama is a fraud. Do your research and use the mind that God has bestowed you with. Stop watching mainstream media as your source of information.

          Read the links I posted. CNN doesn't allow one to click through but you can cut and paste. Or look elsewhere.

          Seek GOD first and run from the traditions of man.

          March 26, 2014 at 7:59 am |
        • TruthPrevails1

          I am a recovering christian and thankfully so. Your god is portrayed as a vindictive monster and not worthy of worship. The traditions of man are exactly what we all follow given the complete lack of evidence for your god, it is mans word you read in that holy book-no evidence to say a god had a hand in it.

          March 26, 2014 at 8:20 am |
        • abundantlife

          Recovering Christian? Friend, you sound bitter. I pray for your healing in Jesus' name and that you may discover the abundance of joy that God gives when we yield to Jesus Christ as LORD and Savior. He loves you – even when you reject Him. But we all make a decision whether or not to serve Him or live apart from Him. It is our choice. Bless you.

          March 26, 2014 at 8:29 am |
        • TruthPrevails1

          Not bitter, just smart enough not to fall prey to your belief system any longer. While you pray for me, I'll think for you!

          March 26, 2014 at 8:30 am |
        • observer


          After the "birthers" and "deathers" got thoroughly HUMILIATED by their STUPIDITY, it sure looks like one is still around.

          March 26, 2014 at 11:14 am |
        • doobzz

          "Friend, you sound bitter."

          Could you point out the part of that post that shows bitterness. All I see is someone who doesn't hold the same view as you. Of course, it's easier to sling mud than it is to make a convincing argument for the bible.

          March 26, 2014 at 11:32 am |
        • snuffleupagus

          Wait. Freud wore slips? Who woulda thunk?

          March 26, 2014 at 12:32 pm |
      • abundantlife

        I see I neglected the "r" in charlatan.

        March 26, 2014 at 7:41 am |
        • TruthPrevails1

          That wasn't the issue. It was the infantile name calling...something expected from kids who bully not mature adults.

          March 26, 2014 at 7:58 am |
        • abundantlife

          Which name calling? Calling Barry a charlatan or exposing the Catholic pope as a pagan? That's not name calling, friend. That's called speaking the truth.

          Do your research and then we can have an intelligent discourse about both fallen men.

          March 26, 2014 at 8:02 am |
        • TruthPrevails1

          It is name calling regardless of what you may think. Do your research...the Pope is Catholic, not pagan and for you to compare the two is blatant ignorance...two different religions-pagan's, unlike christians support LGBT and birth control, they don't oppress women or children and they have taken enough of a beating from your ilk. Grow up!

          March 26, 2014 at 8:18 am |
        • Akira

          Truth, I think we know what level of a person we are dealing with when one takes a Fwd...Fwd...Fwd...Barry Soetero email as gospel.

          Just slap a BIRTHER sticker on the forehead and be done with it.

          March 26, 2014 at 11:04 am |
        • abundantlife


          there are 49 addresses and 16 different Social Security numbers listed for a person whose name is spelled “Barack Obama.” In some cases, the middle initial “H” is listed. If you were to expand the search to include closely related names such as: “Barac,” “Barak,” and “Barrack” Obama, you would find more than a dozen additional addresses and Social Security numbers.


          March 26, 2014 at 11:09 am |
        • hotairace

          Nothing like a good intra-believer scrap. If the believers can't sort out the various cults, what's a simple atheist to do?

          March 26, 2014 at 11:17 am |
        • Akira

          Sigh. WJC? The far right Wong conspiracy website?


          Snopes/Birther. That's all it takes. Start there.

          And read these comments:

          My goodness, some people will go through great lengths to smear a fellow Christian. How utterly sad.

          March 26, 2014 at 11:23 am |
        • doobzz

          Good thing the president's name isn't John Smith. Can you imagine how many addresses and social security numbers this child would come up with?

          March 26, 2014 at 11:37 am |
        • Akira

          I wrote Wong when I meant Wing...Freudian slip?

          March 26, 2014 at 11:42 am |
    • QuestionsEverything


      What's a "chalatan"?

      March 26, 2014 at 2:29 pm |
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