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March 28th, 2014
01:22 PM ET
Does God have a prayer in Hollywood?By Daniel Burke, CNN Belief Blog Co-Editor Los Angeles (CNN) – Forgive Darren Aronofsky if he’s begun to identify with the title character of his new film, “Noah.” Like the infamous ark-maker, the 45-year-old director has weathered a Bible-sized storm – and it’s not over yet. Aronofsky’s epic, which stars Russell Crowe and boasts a $130 million budget (with marketing costs to match), rode a swelling wave of controversy into American theaters on Friday. Despite fierce criticism from some conservative Christians, "Noah" was the top box-office draw last weekend, raking in $44 million in the United States. Part Middle-Earth fantasy flick, part family melodrama, the film is an ambitious leap for Aronofsky, director of the art-house hits “Black Swan” and “The Wrestler.” Both of those films were showered with praise and awards. “Noah,” on the other hand, has sailed into a stiff headwind. Glenn Beck and megachurch pastor Rick Warren blasted the film. The National Religious Broadcasters insisted “Noah” include a disclaimer acknowledging the filmmakers took “artistic license” with the Bible story. Several Muslim countries have banned the movie, citing Islam’s injunctions against depicting prophets. Even Paramount, the studio releasing “Noah,” has agitated Aronofsky, testing at least five different versions of his film with focus groups. “I can understand some of the suspicion because it’s been 50 years since an Old Testament biblical epic has come to the big screen,” Aronofsky said recently. “And in that time a lot of films have come out of Hollywood that have rubbed people the wrong way." Box office report: 'Noah' wreaks Old Testament havoc on its competitors 2014 is supposed to be the year Tinsel Town reversed that trend and finally got religion. A decade after “The Passion of the Christ” surprised Hollywood, rankled liberals and raked in $600 million worldwide, big studios are backing a flotilla of faith-based films. In addition to “Noah,” there’s “Son of God” from 20th Century Fox, which came out in March and is culled from the History Channel’s megahit miniseries, "The Bible." In April, Sony Pictures will release “Heaven is For Real,” based on the bestselling book and produced by Bishop T.D. Jakes, a Texas megachurch pastor and multimedia entrepreneur. The movie “Exodus,” directed by Ridley Scott and starring Christian Bale as Moses, is scheduled for December. So, too, is “Mary, Mother of Christ,” which is billed as a prequel to Mel Gibson’s “Passion.” More biblical epics may be on the horizon. Steven Spielberg is reportedly in talks to direct another movie about Moses, and Warner Brothers recently bought a script about Pontius Pilate. The box office hasn’t seen this many faith-based films since Charlton Heston delivered the “The Ten Commandments” in Technicolor. And that’s not even counting “God is Not Dead,” the indie sleeper that took in $8.5 million last weekend. So what’s behind Hollywood’s religious revival? “The biggest factor is the dynamic growth of the box office in international markets,” said Paramount vice chairman Rob Moore, one of the forces behind “Noah.” MORE ON CNN: A flood of reviews for 'Noah' Moore pointed to the $14 million his film has made in Mexico and South Korea, two of the more than 20 countries where “Noah” will run this year. As Hollywood’s supply of comic-book heroes seems to run dry, studios know the Good Book comes with a built-in audience of billions. The Bible’s heroes and villains are jeered and cheered on nearly every continent. Its morally complex stories are rife with blockbuster-ready special effects like locust plagues, apocalyptic floods and talking donkeys. But the controversy over “Noah” illustrates the promise and the peril of bringing the Bible to the big screen. Yes, there’s a ready-made audience that loves the book, but will they tolerate a script that strays from Scripture? On the other hand, will increasingly secular young Americans flock to see films that look and sound like sermons? "The earlier emphasis of faith-based films was to sacrifice quality for the message," Jakes said in a recent interview. "But it's dangerous to divide entertainment from evangelism. You're not going to connect with the average movie-goer if you're not putting out good stuff." But even Jakes, a longtime pastor and film producer, said it's not easy to turn a religious text into a movie.  Megachurch pastor and multimedia entrepreneur Bishop T.D. Jakes' latest film, "Heaven is For Real," releases in April. The author of "Heaven is For Real" has been adamant that the movie mirror the bestselling book. And Jakes cautions that the film's depiction of heaven does not comport with Christian orthodoxy. "It's a little boy's vision of heaven," he said. "It's not a theological film by a council of scholars." Like Jakes, Mark Burnett said he sees the silver screen as an evangelistic tool. "We believe that over the next few decades, billions of people are going to see 'Son of God'," the reality-show producer said. "This is not just some film to us." Burnett pitched his movie hard to religious leaders before its release. Evangelical pastors like Rick Warren rented out entire theaters, and Catholic bishops endorsed the film – which hews to the New Testament telling of Jesus’ life. The Christian push lifted “Son of God” to No. 2 on its opening weekend in February when it made more than $26 million in the United States. Since then, sales have fallen sharply. But Burnett cautions filmmakers against bowdlerizing the Bible to succeed at the box office. “There’s a big price to pay for departing from the sacred text,” he said. Just ask Universal Pictures, the studio behind Martin Scorcese’s “The Last Temptation of Christ,” which sparked outrage in 1988. Not only did Christians boycott the movie, in which Jesus fantasizes about married life, some sent death threats to studio executives. “These stories hit really sensitive areas,” said Elijah Davidson, director of the Reel Spirituality program at Fuller Theological Seminary in Pasadena, California. Noah’s tale is a prime example. Just four short Bible chapters, it’s more sketch than story: The protagonist doesn’t speak until the boat finally lands ashore. “And yet it’s a foundational story for many Christians,” Davidson said. For centuries, theologians have taught that God’s covenant with Noah and post-flood promise to be merciful prophesied Christ’s later arrival. Building Noah’s arc Aronofsky, who describes himself as culturally Jewish but not especially religious, said he respects how important the Noah story is for believers. “We tried very hard not to contradict anything in the Bible,” the director said. “But we also wanted to bring the story alive for a 21st century audience.” Wiry and intense, with a shaved head and a Brooklyn accent, Aronofsky looks like a man who’s just finished one fight and is girding for another. “What’s been missing from the whole controversy is my personal passion for the film,” the director said. “I’ve been thinking about this for 30 years.”  "Noah" director Darren Arnofsky's previous films have included the art-house hits "Black Swan" and "The Wrestler." When he was 13, Aronofsky’s middle-school class in Coney Island was asked to write about peace. He penned a poem about Noah called “The Dove” that was recognized by the United Nations. (As a thank you for setting him on the creative path, Aronofsky gave his teacher, Ms. Fried, a bit part in “Noah.”) Even as a child, the director said, the Noah story unsettled him. Aronofsky didn’t see the happy tale of rainbows and doves told in children’s books. He saw the humans and animals consumed by the waters – the world drowning in the deluge outside the ark. As he began his film career, the director grew obsessed with telling the Noah story from that perspective – and employing the power of modern special effects to portray Earth’s first apocalypse. “It’s one of the oldest and most famous stories in the world,” Aronofsky said. “And yet it’s never been told on the big screen.” There are good reasons for that. After all, it’s a dark story. God, distressed at human wickedness, decides to hit the cosmic reset button. His waters wipe all life from the planet, except for the fortunate few on the ark. After the storm, Noah gets goodly drunk – perhaps the first known case of survivor’s guilt – and curses the descendants of his son Ham to slavery. To understand Noah, and to give his character a story arc, Aronofsky and his co-writer, Ari Handel, spent 10 years poring over the Book of Genesis and the midrash – stories written by rabbis to fill out the Bible’s narratives. They also read texts like the Dead Sea Scrolls, the Book of Jubilees and the Book of Enoch, a work ascribed to Noah’s great-grandfather. Handel, who studied neuroscience, is known as an obsessive researcher. The script’s bibliography runs five pages long, single-spaced. “We had to figure out how Noah and his family would get through this, and what it would feel like,” Aronofsky said. The studio also hired a Christian consultant for the film. John Snowden is a former youth pastor at Vineyard Christian Fellowship Church, where Moore, the Paramount executive, is a member. Snowden, who was pastor to Moore's son, said the filmmakers’ questions ranged from the sublime (Why did God create human life?) to the ridiculous (Would Christians be upset if Noah wears pants?). “I gave them a sort-of manifesto of Christian theology,” said Snowden, 38, who now lives in Nepal. “The most important part of the story is why God created humanity, which is basically to reflect God’s glory. Those are the kind of conversations we would have.” Script or Scripture? Several evangelical leaders have posted positive reviews of the film, and, with the help of a Christian marketing firm hired by Paramount, are spreading the word that nothing in "Noah" belies the Bible. But others aren’t so sure. On March 16, megachurch pastor Rick Warren tweeted this message to his 1.3 million Twitter followers:
For the record, Aronofsky said he’s made the “least biblical biblical film ever made.” That is, don’t expect the camel-and-sandals settings of last century’s Bible movies. “We wanted to smash those expectations, Aronofsky said. “We are reinventing the biblical epic for the 21st century.” Count conservative broadcaster Glenn Beck among the unimpressed. Before he even saw the movie, Beck, who is Mormon, called “Noah” a “slap in the face” to religious people. “It’s dangerous disinformation,” he told his 10 million radio listeners. After Paramount screened “Noah” for Beck last weekend, he acknowledged that blasting the film sight unseen was “kind of a dirtball” move. Then he blasted the movie again, calling it a “$100 million disaster.” Beck’s biggest problem with “Noah” was Noah himself, whom Mormons believe is the angel Gabriel in human form. “I always thought of Noah as more of a nice, gentle guy, prophet of God,” Beck said, “and not the raving lunatic Paramount found in the Bible.” MORE ON CNN: Is 'Noah' film sacred enough? Jerry Johnson, president of the National Religious Broadcasters, said he has the same problem with Aronofsky’s depiction of Noah. The Bible calls Noah a “righteous man,” Johnson said. In the movie, his character is much more complex. Noah begins the film as a rugged environmentalist who teaches his family to respect the Creator and all of creation. As he becomes increasingly zealous, Noah seems bent on destroying life rather than saving it. “I understand that the writers want to create tension and resolve it, but they push it to a spot where if you haven’t read Genesis, you wouldn’t know whether Noah is really a man of faith or not.” Moore, the Paramount executive, said focus groups had similar questions: How much of the film is from the Bible and how much was invented by Aronofsky? At Johnson’s urging, Paramount agreed to include a disclaimer before the opening credits and in marketing materials stating that the film is “inspired” by the Bible and true to its values but takes certain liberties with the story. (The language mirrors Dreamworks' disclaimer for “The Prince of Egypt,” which was based on the Book of Exodus.) “People needed to know upfront that this is not a literal re-telling of Scripture,” Moore said. “It helped set their expectations for a movie about a guy who goes on an intense journey. This is probably not the Noah they remember from Sunday school.” Aronofsky and Handel insist, however, that their film never directly contradicts Genesis, and even takes pains to remain faithful to it. The ark, for example, is built to the Bible’s specifications, down to the last cubit. Ultimately, though, the director has little patience with literalists on either side of the believer-atheist divide. It's ungenerous to insist, as some Christians do, that there is only one way to interpret Genesis, according to Aronofsky. But it's also pointless to argue, as some atheists have, that no ark could possibly hold all the animals. The story of the flood has lasted for millennia not because it’s "right" – or wrong – but because it’s deep and alive and unsettling, the director said. The artist's job, like Noah's, is to make sure those kinds of stories survive – to prepare us for the next storm.
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The story of the great flood and the voyage of the ark, as expounded by modern creationists, contains so many incredible "violations of the laws of nature" that it cannot possibly be accepted by any thinking person.
Question: Can 10 million animals (and cargo and people) fit on a boat the size of a Carnival Cruise Liner?
It is estimated that the construction of the Great Pyramid required as many as 100,000 slaves; Noah could have probably gotten by with less (there were, after all, "giants in the earth in those days" according to Genesis 6:4), but what he lacked in numbers he sorely needed in experienced and highly skilled craftsmen.
How did he learn when to fell a tree and how to dry it properly to prevent rot and splitting, when the larger beams might take several years to cure?
A shipyard in nineteenth-century Maine would have been overwhelmed by the size and complexity of this job.
CS
He also did it with stone tools, since he lived at the beginning of the copper age, but unless he was wealthy, he would not even have copper.
It took Noah 120 years to finish the boat... God asked him to build it when he was 480 years old and he finished the boat at 600 years old...
I hate to keep sharing facts with you but people don't live that long. Even if they did, Noah could not have built the ark. And even if he could, he would not be able to fill it all living things. He wasn't even aware of the majority of living things.
Back than they did
it does not say he had a stegosaruas and all other living things
An explanation for being able to live so long back than is back before the flood a Crystalline Canopy. Which was a semi solid dome that surrounded the earth. The weight of this canopy doubled the barometric pressure from what we currently observe. And because it was mainly consisted of Metallic hydrogen, there was more free oxygen (double the amount found in atmosphere today) in our atmosphere. This would explain why the air bubbles, found in amber, are rich in oxygen compared to today’s atmosphere.
justpro86
You are incorrect.
kermit4jc
Duh.
I know I know that sounds ridiculous however The Crystalline Canopy being able to exist is confirmed every time NASA sends something up into space. You see the exhaust from the rocket engines of every spacecraft sent up, put out a whole lot of moisture. When the rocket goes through the outer atmosphere, this moisture creates an ice cloud that is very different from any other type cloud known. This is because in that phase water is at it’s triple point. Which means it trying to freeze, be liquid, and gas at the same time.
The canopy would create the conditions of twice the oxygen, and twice the barometric pressures because the hydrogen molecules that exist today were caught up in the canopy making more free oxygen which also means less water. And the canopy has weight, it would increase the atmospheric pressure (barometric pressure) about twice what it is now. This would make the earth like living in a barometric oxygen chamber. There are even medical treatments now being used this way such as Hyperbaric Oxygen Treatment.
justp
The chrystaline canopy is just one offshoot of the canopy theory that has been so discredited, it has been a long time since i have seen anyone who was foolish enough to bring it up. Just another case of trying to squeeze science into your bias.
Seriously, where are you getting this garbage?...and yet you claim to know science.
The water you refer too is not in a triple state, but rather you have hydrogen freezing to water...it does nothing to explain where the needed water (5 times the volume of water on the earth) came from or went to.
The chrystaline canopy garbage was just another creationist smoke screen, with no validity to it at all.
What is wrong with you justpro86??? People were lucky to live to 20 back then.
"Back than they did "
Without using your bible cite your sources. We know that due to the complete lack of medicines, many never made it past childhood. We're living longer now than we ever have.
Just because it's in your bible doesn't necessarily make it true.
We are living longer now than we ever had after the flood that is true but before the flood people lived for a really long time... The bible is not only a book of science but it is also a history book...
Cite you sources. The bible has little science in it and the history within is extremely questionable.
justp
"The bible is not only a book of science but it is also a history book..."
You've got to stop. I'm laughing so hard my sides hurt. Are you working on a comedy routine?
It is neither a science book, nor a history book. It is a story book, with some portions lining up with history, but only some.
There is no way to verify your claim that is is (your word) true. For it to be true, there would be some way of proving it, so without your bible ( since the source cannot be used to verify), what do you have showing humnas lived that long. I can show countless medical doc.u.ments showing the shear impossibility of it, but what have you got showing it is true?
justpro86
The Bible is a book of science? Please get serious.
There isn't ONE scientific advancement in the Bible. Jesus could have had a major impact on health just by saying wash your hands to prevent germs. Instead, NADA. NOTHING.
As far as science goes, the Bible basically claims that ALL the laws of science are OPTIONAL.
Get real.
Noah's primary contribution to humanity, his incredible knowledge of naval engineering, vanished without a trace, and the seafarers returned to their hollow logs and reed rafts. Like a passing mirage, the ark was here one day and gone the next, leaving not a ripple in the long saga of shipbuilding. Interesting.
It might be, since never oNCE in all of history has a non-sea-faring culture built a sea-worthy craft. But then you read the 11 th Rablet of the Epic of Gilgamesh, and ... oh no .. they STOLE even the ships dimensions form there, and the dove awith the olive branch. Ancient plagiarism. Ain't god grand ?
oops ... 11th Tablet
His incredible knowledge came from God who designed the boat...Also it was do able too:
The Design.
1. The Biblical word for Ark is "tebah". It is used 28 times in the OT and is only used of Noah's Ark and for the container in which Moses was hidden among the bulrushes. Because of a similar Egyptian word meaning "box", and the ultimate purpose of the Ark, we believe the Ark was not like a streamlined vessel designed to easily glide through the water. More likely it was shaped like a rectangular barge which floated rather low in the water. From the story in the Bible, it also would appear that Noah had no control over the vessel. He, and it contents were at the total mercy of God.
2. The Ark had three stories with only one door. The phrase in Gen. 6:16, "Make a roof for it and finish the Ark to within 18 inches of the top." is problematic in that the words used are obscure. Most commentators believe it means leave an 18 inch space at the top that is open all around the vessel. This then would be for ventilation, and when water entered it would drain out somewhere below, similar to the vents in cars.
3. The Ark was to be coated inside and out with pitch.
Again the Hebrew word for "pitch" is obscure. It was more likely some resinous material used not only to waterproof the vessel but also to prevent decay. If Noah was 480 years old when God told him to build an Ark and 600 when the Flood came, it is reasonable to assume that the construction of the Ark took place during this 120 year period (See Gen. 6:3 along with I Pet. 3:20). The need for this preservative was essential. It is also possible that things did not decay as rapidly in the pre-flood atmosphere.
4. The phrase in the NIV (6:14) "make rooms" is also problematic in that the word is obscure. The Hebrew is "qnm". Since Hebrew did not have any vowels when it was written, scholars speculate that the word could be either "qinnim" or "qanim". The former would mean either "rooms" or "nest", and the later, "reeds". Most English translations translate as in the former. However, some of the better and more recent commentaries, believe it should be translated "reeds" since the context is building materials. If in reality it is "reeds", then somehow reeds were part of the construction material. Large boats are still made from reeds and are very seaworthy. The Egyptians still use reeds for caulking their wooden ships.
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justp
"and when water entered it would drain out somewhere below"...OK hang on a minute while i try to stop laughing.
So the water that leaks in, will just go "somewhere below". Even though the water would continuously be pouring in, like a seive, and with no pumps, would sink the boat ( considering the material and toools he had to work with, the sinking would be less than 5 minutes, considering the immense water pressure from the bottom considering the weight of the water displaced.)
Water would not go "somewhere", it would go into the boat, and unless pumped out ( and they had no idea what a pump was), it would sink....rapidly. There is simply no way that a boat built given the tools and materials could possible float for as long as the myth says.
Simply ridiculous.
Seriously, are you trying to get your "facts" from a 5 year old?
Em I? No Not really just explaining how it could possibly done
no justp
you are trying to explain how it was possible, but instead showed how it was not possible. , since you clearly do not have even the simplest grasp of the physics involved.
Did you just cut and paste that theory, or did you actually read it, then agree that water can get into a boat and then just goes " somewhere".
You are, if nothing else, highly amusing, but not as someone who is capable of debating. You keep bringing up these old trite BS creationist hypothesese, which is the same as smoke and mirrors. There is nothing scientific in anything you have said, you just keep parroting the creationist (we don't have anything to show creation, so lets try to discredit valid science).
How sad that you have to keep battling reality in the face of belief.
He cut and pasted it without giving the citation for it; why such a dishonest move?
Akira
Yeah, I've been shredding this guy all afternoon. I'm pretty sure he must be a poe, since he has really dug deep into the creationist smoke and mirror bags, but when he said the earth was placed by god in the center of the universe, he's either a major league idiot, or a poe. Either way, I'm outta here. I don't think i can shred this guy any further...feel like I'm in a battle of wits with an unarmed opponent.
You seem to be a very cool person. I'm not sure if I read all your comments, but of what I read so far it is not clear to me what your believes are, although some things that you said are correct. However, I really hope you are in Christ, by God's grace only, and I wish you the best. I do read comments of this specific blog, and a lot of times is really sad to go through of what people believe or reason. I almost never reply, but I think today, to the best of my knowledge, it is the first time that I was really laughing with joy I have to say, on the way that you have responded to many. Cheers
Thanks
anyone know if this movie only tells the story of the flood or does it goes into what happened after as well
noah is an alcoholic
after the flood, he is in his tent, passed out from drinking with his junk hanging out.
ham, one of noah's sons, comes in and sees dad's family jewels.
ham goes out and tells his other brothers, shem and j.apheth, that he saw dads twigs and berries.
shem and j.apheth enter dad's tent backwards and manage to cover dad's trouser snake without seeing it.
then they wake noah up and tell him that ham saw his sack.
noah declares that ham and all of his future progeny are to be slaves to shem and j.apheth and their future progeny.
so let's review
noah got drunk and passed out with his dork hanging out.
ham came in to talk to dad and accidentally saw his dad's frank and beans.
noah punished ham by making him forever a slave to his brothers.
amen.
What is your point?
just what i said - does the movie show only what happened before and during the flood, or what happened after?
Come on booty, you are just hoping for some full frontal.....right?
well, russell crowe is pretty hunky...
Now we are getting somewhere...
i'm not gonna waste $12 to see bad special effects without seeing noah's little 'gladiator'
Do not gaze upon his little soldier lest ye be sentenced to slavery! No breakfast in bed for Noah.
How about the reason for why he set out to destroy everything, because people were wicked, and he regretted ever having made them?
Tell me, how does an omniscient being ever make decisions that he later regrets?
Vic, regarding your daily blathering about your dead Jesus zombie story, the whole Jesus-sacrifice thing is a steaming pile of nonsense. How is it again that your omnipotent being couldn't do his saving bit without the whole silly Jesus hoopla? And how was Jesus' death a "sacrifice", when an omnipotent being could just pop up a replacement son any time with less than a snap of his fingers? Pretty pathetic "god" that you've made for yourself there. The core of your religion is complete nonsense.
Furthermore, your murderous sky fairy, your "god", makes some pretty horrid demands of you according to your Christian book of nasty AKA the bible. From both foul testaments:
Numbers 31:17-18
17 Now kiII all the boys. And kiII every woman who has slept with a man,
18 but save for yourselves every girl who has never slept with a man.
Deuteronomy 13:6 – “If your brother, your mother’s son or your son or daughter, or the wife you cherish, or your friend who is as your own soul entice you secretly, saying, let us go and serve other gods … you shall surely kill him; your hand shall be first against him to put him to death”
Revelation 2:23 And I will kill her children with death; and all the churches shall know that I am he which searcheth the reins and hearts: and I will give unto every one of you according to your works.
Leviticus 25
44 “‘Your male and female slaves are to come from the nations around you; from them you may buy slaves.
45 You may also buy some of the temporary residents living among you and members of their clans born in your country, and they will become your property.
46 You can bequeath them to your children as inherited property and can make them slaves for life, but you must not rule over your fellow Israelites ruthlessly.
Note that the bible is also very clear that you should sacrifice and burn an animal today because the smell makes sicko Christian sky fairy happy. No, you don't get to use the parts for food. You burn them, a complete waste of the poor animal.
Yes, the bible really says that, everyone. Yes, it's in Leviticus, look it up. Yes, Jesus purportedly said that the OT commands still apply. No exceptions. But even if you think the OT was god's mistaken first go around, you have to ask why a perfect, loving enti-ty would ever put such horrid instructions in there. If you think rationally at all, that is.
And then, if you disagree with my interpretation, ask yourself how it is that your "god" couldn't come up with a better way to communicate than a book that is so readily subject to so many interpretations and to being taken "out of context", and has so many mistakes in it. Pretty pathetic god that you've made for yourself.
So get out your sacrificial knife or your nasty sky creature will torture you eternally. Or just take a closer look at your foolish supersti-tions, understand that they are just silly, and toss them into the dustbin with all the rest of the gods that man has created.
And then, ask yourself why we should have to rely on very stale, thousands-of-years-old, many-versioned old text, that is only reasonably subject to debates over its meaning. Why is it that your pathetic sky fairy can't even get with the past decade and create his own web presence (no, religious shill sites don't count), or push some tweets out? Even the pope, that creepy hider of criminal priests, could do that much, as can most children. After thousands of years of radio silence, reasonable doubt in the existence of your sky creature is easily justified, to say the least. Your absurd "god" is also apparently less capable at communication than any modern 10 year old.
Ask the questions. Break the chains. Join the movement.
Be free of Christianity and other superstitions.
http://whywontgodhealamputees.com/
Vic, regarding your daily blathering about your dead Jesus zombie story, the whole Jesus-sacrifice thing is a steaming pile of nonsense. How is it again that your omnipotent being couldn't do his saving bit without the whole silly Jesus hoopla? And how was Jesus' death a "sacrifice", when an omnipotent being could just pop up a replacement son any time with less than a snap of his fingers? Pretty pathetic "god" that you've made for yourself there. The core of your religion is complete nonsense.
Furthermore, your murderous sky fairy, your "god", makes some pretty horrid demands of you according to your Christian book of nasty AKA the bible. From both foul testaments:
Numbers 31:17-18
17 Now kiII all the boys. And kiII every woman who has slept with a man,
18 but save for yourselves every girl who has never slept with a man.
Deuteronomy 13:6 – “If your brother, your mother’s son or your son or daughter, or the wife you cherish, or your friend who is as your own soul entice you secretly, saying, let us go and serve other gods … you shall surely kill him; your hand shall be first against him to put him to death”
Revelation 2:23 And I will kill her children with death; and all the churches shall know that I am he which searcheth the reins and hearts: and I will give unto every one of you according to your works.
Leviticus 25
44 “‘Your male and female slaves are to come from the nations around you; from them you may buy slaves.
45 You may also buy some of the temporary residents living among you and members of their clans born in your country, and they will become your property.
46 You can bequeath them to your children as inherited property and can make them slaves for life, but you must not rule over your fellow Israelites ruthlessly.
Note that the bible is also very clear that you should sacrifice and burn an animal today because the smell makes sicko Christian sky fairy happy. No, you don't get to use the parts for food. You burn them, a complete waste of the poor animal.
Yes, the bible really says that, everyone. Yes, it's in Leviticus, look it up. Yes, Jesus purportedly said that the OT commands still apply. No exceptions. But even if you think the OT was god's mistaken first go around, you have to ask why a perfect, loving enti-ty would ever put such horrid instructions in there. If you think rationally at all, that is.
And then, if you disagree with my interpretation, ask yourself how it is that your "god" couldn't come up with a better way to communicate than a book that is so readily subject to so many interpretations and to being taken "out of context", and has so many mistakes in it. Pretty pathetic god that you've made for yourself.
So get out your sacrificial knife or your nasty sky creature will torture you eternally. Or just take a closer look at your foolish supersti-tions, understand that they are just silly, and toss them into the dustbin with all the rest of the gods that man has created.
And then, ask yourself why we should have to rely on very stale, thousands-of-years-old, many-versioned old text, that is only reasonably subject to debates over its meaning. Why is it that your pathetic sky fairy can't even get with the past decade and create his own web presence (no, religious shill sites don't count), or push some tweets out? Even the pope, that creepy hider of criminal priests, could do that much, as can most children. After thousands of years of radio silence, reasonable doubt in the existence of your sky creature is easily justified, to say the least. Your absurd "god" is also apparently less capable at communication than any modern 10 year old.
Ask the questions. Break the chains. Join the movement.
Be free of Christianity and other superstitions.
http://whywontgodhealamputees.com/
I love coming to these blogs just to see all the little atheists come on here and do everything possible to bash the bible and declare it as a fairy tale and BLAH BLAH BLAH... However I could care less really because what do atheists tend to believe? Most likely nothing or they believe in the concept of evolution.... They have this "Big Bang Theory" but really that does not say their is no God or everything JUST happened from a explosion.
It is interesting to note that as a believer, I can accept what I see in the universe and what has been proposed in the ‘big bang’ theory without having to abandon my faith. In fact, I actually see the science here as a confirmation of my faith. The Bible predicts what scientists have discovered. It makes sense that the single creation event of a creator God would leave us with evidence of it’s occurrence. What would we expect to see in the scientific historical record of the ancient past, following God’s creation of the universe? Wouldn’t we expect to see evidence for a cosmic singularity? Of course we would. So, as a believer, I am not afraid to see the evidence. It merely confirms my faith. I understand the fact that a universe that BEGAN must have a BEGINNER. For more on what this implies. Certainly, Einstein understood the implication here. His theory of relativity required a ‘beginning’ to all time space and matter. As he developed his theory, he realized that it was a first evidence that the universe had a point of beginning. And he understood what this implied! Einstein knew that his discovery pointed to a creative agent who by definition would have to exist OUTSIDE of space time and matter in order to initiate these elements in the created order. Other scientists were equally uncomfortable with the notion of a cosmic singularity. Sir Arthur Eddington, a famous 20th century cosmologist, actually disliked the ‘big bang’ theory for this reason:
“(the ‘big bang’ theory) seems to require a sudden and peculiar beginning of things.”
“Philosophically, the notion of a beginning is repugnant to me.”
I can understand why thoughtful scientists might feel this way. Beginnings require beginners. But as a believer, I am very comfortable with the ‘big bang’ theory. It clearly points to a creation event that requires nothing less than a being that fits the attributes that we believers and of course Christians commonly ascribe to God.
I say believer rather than christian because I am not a christian. I am only a man who believes the Bible is true and also believes that a supernatural being exists. I don't believe in judgeing others like most people believe most Christians do. God has given people the free will to choose what to do or what to think. Thank you!
"...However I could care less really .."
Yes, you care so little you wrote a 478 word post. lol
Whatever, justpro. You have already shown that you have utter disregard for facts that contradict what you have chosen to believe. Your smug, arrogant opinion is void of any honest value.
Whatever tallulah, whatever you want to believe but I utterly did not disregard any facts what soever I clearly presented them... I get it though your arrogant and believe that stupid theory where we just so happened by chance we happened because of an accident... What is the purpose of our being? Sorry pal I did not just happen by chance nor was I an accident... Sorry your life must be sad to believe these things....
justpro86
"Sorry pal I did not just happen by chance"
Considering how many sperm your father must have produced and how many eggs your mother produced, you are here by INCREDIBLE CHANCE.
I am not a product of chance, I am a product of nature and instincts that God gave us to keep life going. To keep the human race from being extinct.
I am not a product of chance, I am a product of nature and instincts that God gave us to keep life going. To keep the human race from being extinct.
1. You are a product of chance.
2. Your instincts are a product of evolution.
3. The human race will become extinct.
How can you consistently be wrong about every single thing you say? Amazing.
How can I be wrong? Because thats what you want to believe.. Prove it.. Thats all I have to say... The Theory of Evolution will never become a law of science because it is wrought with errors. This is why it is still called a theory, instead of a law. The process of natural selection is not an evolutionary process.
Justpro86
How can you be wrong? Everything you say is wrong. Evolution is a proven scientific theory by the way.
No it is not... Its already proven to be false by many known scientists... Atheists hang onto it because they dont want to accept there is a God and that they are arrogant....
Please share even ONE qualified scientist that does not accept evolution as fact. Give me a name and I will check it out.
n 1999, Dr. Stephen Taylor wrote,
The Creation Research Society currently has a membership of 650 scientists, each one holding a Master’s degree or above in a recognized field of science. In a recent article Dr. Russell Humphreys, physicist at Sandia National Laboratories, New Mexico, estimates that there are around 10,000 practicing professional scientists in the USA alone who openly believe in a six-day creation.
Now you are going to tell me you are a young Earth creationist? I can't take Humphreys seriously. He is a business man that publishes fake information for Christians that want to believe in the literal Genesis. You are using him? Ok. He is a scientist. You were able to name one.
justpro86
"I am not a product of chance,"
Multiply BILLIONS of sperm in just ONE man's lifetime by the number of eggs in just ONE woman's lifetime.
Get serious.
How are we able to produce sperm? God created this function in all of man kind and animals to be able to pro create...Nature is Gods greatest example he exists
Get real
justp
Would you actually look something up before posting?
A scientific law is something that can wholly be expressed mathematically. THAT is why evolution cannot be a scientific law.
You do know that viruses and bacteria can cause disease, right?...that too is a scienctific theory...it also happens to be correct, but is not a law, it remains a theory.
The same for the Big Bang, we know it happened, that much is fact, but since we do not have ALL of the data ( and how would we know if we did) it remains theory.
same with evolution...we know it happens, we can observe it, even predict it to an extent, but it cannot be more than a proven (accepted as fact) theory since we do not know ALL about it.
justp
...Nature is Gods greatest example he exists"
OK...show me the direct cause/effect relationship. Show me the logical path you took from Nature exists" to goddidit.
PLease show how you eliminated all other possibilities, including the ones you have not conceived.
When I say the wind is actually created by giant invisible dragons, and I say the wind exists, therefore the dragons must exist, it is EXACTLY what you are doing.
It really is too bad you cannot seperate belief from truth.
Show your work.
Its called observing how things are and how they happen too be... There is no way nothing of this can happen because of chance NO WAY Simple as that...
Which God, just pro? Yours all over the place on this one.
Do you believe Jesus was divine?
justpro86
Estimated number of sperm produced by ONE man in a lifetime: 525,000,000,000
Estimated number of eggs produced by ONE woman in a lifetime: 2,000,000
You do the math. Then tell me you "aren't a product of CHANCE".
Get real.
Get real
justpoe
"Its called observing how things are and how they happen too be... There is no way nothing of this can happen because of chance NO WAY Simple as that..."
Yes, your mind does appear to be as simple as that. You can't comprehend nor fathom how it happened, so claim god magic, with no evidence of any such god. Have you ever heard of logic or reason?
I have plenty of evidence God exists its called looking up at night and seeing Gods work.... Its called looking into the mirror and seeing Gods work.. How complex our Bodies are... We are here because of God.... MY mind is far from being simple like yours...
"It clearly points to a creation event that requires nothing less than a being that fits the attributes that we believers and of course Christians commonly ascribe to God"
No it most certainly does not. No sentient ent!ty has been shown, nor implicated by existance.
What you are saying is basically the same os me saying that the wind is made by the giant invisible dragons flying around.
By your thinking, the wind exists, proving the dragons exist. See how illogical that thinking is? I expect you don't.
" I actually see the science here as a confirmation of my faith."
and yet you abandon the most basic of science's tools - the scientific method. examine any part of religion using the scientific method and religion fails. religious explanations = magic. science doesn't support magic, therefore your assertion that science actually confirms religion is just plain silly.
Do you even know what science is? Science is the intellectual and practical activity encompassing the systematic study of the structure and behavior of the physical and natural world through observation and experiment... That is what creationism does it uses science to determine the truth using the guide called the bible... Seriously before you say anything about science understand that... Sure we believe in an all knowing creator but what do you guys believe? Just out of no where a big bang happens and yes I will continue to use the big bang because its a scientific way to look at how God created the universe...
...That is what creationism does it uses science to determine the truth using the guide called the bible..."
LMAO
"Science is the intellectual and practical activity encompassing the systematic study of the structure and behavior of the physical and natural world through observation and experiment... "
^^ you definitely showed you can copy and paste from webster's online dictionary, hehe.
of course you completely skipped over my assertion that you fail to apply the scientific method (the defining tool of science) to religion and the magic events of the bible.
you're mad. that's obvious. but you're not making sense. science works with proof and evidence, of which religion has none. zero. nil. nada. in order to believe in god, you must believe in magic. magic is unverifiable by science. religion is unverifiable by science. you may not like it, but there it is, tiger.
creationism is not science, even a tiny bit. You have a presumptive bias, that "god created everything" and then you try to fit the world into that view. That is the opposite of science.
You do not start with a cause, and try to fit data into it. That is illogical and unreasonable, but then so is belief in a book that has too many holes in it.
But doesn't evolution explain everything without a divine Designer? Just the opposite; evolution is a beautiful example of design, a great clue to God. There is very good scientific evidence for the evolving, ordered appearance of species, from simple to complex. But there is no scientific proof of natural selection as the mechanism of evolution, Natural selection "explains" the emergence of higher forms without intelligent design by the survival-of-the-fittest principle. But this is sheer theory. There is no evidence that abstract, theoretical thinking or altruistic love make it easier for man to survive. How did they evolve then?
Furthermore, could the design that obviously now exists in man and in the human brain come from something with less or no design? Such an explanation violates the principle of causality, which states that you can't get more in the effect than you had in the cause. If there is intelligence in the effect (man), there must be intelligence in the cause. But a universe ruled by blind chance has no intelligence. Therefore there must be a cause for human intelligence that transcends the universe: a mind behind the physical universe. (Most great scientists have believed in such a mind, by the way, even those who did not accept any revealed religion.)
Once again as much as evolutionists want to think their theorys work because of science but most of their theorys leads towards a higher being...
Sorry once again to fail in providing me anything logical or of anything really...
pro, So now you accept evolution and have moved to the ID argument. First you'll need to show evidence of a god, and evidence that evolution was guided.
"But there is no scientific proof of natural selection as the mechanism of evolution,"
False. We see it, can recreate it, it is shown daily. It is ONE mechanism, not THE mechanism, by the way.
"most of their theorys leads towards a higher being..."
Most certainly not. We do not know, does not indicate anything, much less a "creator". It simply means we do not know. You do not have enough information to make any conclusion...yours is simply bias, with nothing showing any validity.
I am going to leave it at this.... Evolution does not prove God does not exist it does not prove anything... if you guys can go about bashing all the believers and proclaim there is no evidence of God but my question is HOW DO YOU KNOW? Does Evolution really prove we came too existence by accident? No! Do I know God exist? Not really but its safe for me to say that the evidence lies in everything that exists around us... Why is this? because everything does not so happen to appear so perfectly in place...
For example the Sun how is it positioned so perfectly in our solar system to where its at the correct distance to our planet to sustain life and not burn us all up. How are we so ever intelligent beings and Dogs are not or apes? I mean this is still science yes God created the universe but science is looking for answers to confirm what is said in the bible... Science is studying ourselves and everything around us to better understand why and how everything is... I know Science and what it is but I do agree no I am not qualifyied to be a scientist but neither of any of you....
Evolutionists dont have room to talk or bash believers like me and laugh at us for still yet evolutionists have not once proven their theories either... Also its laughable the logic of us evolving from monkeys... Really? Seriously we are monkeys? LMAO also what about souls? Do we have souls? If we don't than how do we know what is right from wrong? Should we not be like animals and follow the "survival of the fittest" law of nature? I mean come on people...
"my question is HOW DO YOU KNOW? "
ANd there you have it. You should be asking yourself that question about your particular brand of "god".
We do not know. One thing we do know, is the bible is wrong in too many places for the ramiander to be taken art face value.
So really ask yourself your question...how do you know what you think is "god". For all you know, Satan is real, and inspired your bible , and you are following the word of Satan...you simply do not know, so acting like you do, or acting on your bias, is simply illogical.
So far I have seen more facts come out of the Bible than anything and more scientific proofs out there... the only way of us knowing entirely is to simply look around... He places the Earth in the center of the universe for a reason. To be able to see the universe and everything around us...
@justpro86,
You make a lot of arguments from ignorance, i.e. "How do you explain x?", when you have no explanation yourself?
While science does not deal in "proof", there is plenty of evidence to support evolution:
Fossils like tiklaalik, amubulocetus, etc
biochemistry like cytochrome c', etc
biogeography like marsupials, etc
genetics like human chromosome 2, ERVs, etc
"He places the Earth in the center of the universe for a reason"
Except that the Earth is very far from the center, so either your god has horrible aim, or you are a poe, since no one can be that stupid.
Secularists have been pushing Earth away from the center of the universe till finally saying there is no center at all. They take this position not based on observations but based on materialistic necessity. For them there cannot be a center and there cannot be a boundary. In fact, it seems for Stephen Hawking that there was no Big Bang explosion at all because it would demand a center and a boundary. ”So long as the universe had a beginning, we could suppose it had a creator. But if the universe is really completely self-contained, having no boundaries or edge, it would have neither beginning nor end: it would simply be. What place, then, for a creator?” Stephen Hawking
Why do you think that Earth is the center of the universe, justpro?
Religious or secularist, it isn't true.
My goodness.
Once again its tough to truly clarify, However the Earth is the center in Gods heart which is why for all we know we are the only intellectual living beings that exist in the whole universe...
justpro86
"we know we are the only intellectual living beings that exist in the whole universe..."
Just a theory. NO PROOF that life couldn't exist elsewhere.
"However the Earth is the center in Gods heart"
Moving the goalposts again. First, evolution is completely wrong, then there's evolution but it's part of intelligent design. Next, the earth is in the center of the universe, but oops, no, now earth is in the center of god's heart.
LOL.
Thus being the center of Gods attention the earth is the center of the universe how hard is it to understand... Maybe for the simple minded
Christian apologists are always updating what the bible "really means" when science proves it to be wrong.
well..in order for that to happen..you have to prove that the bIble says the earth was literally flat..or was it using figure of speech? we use figures of speech today..they did then....so why not? Psalms is perfect example...ot os easily recognizeable by most people as poetic....and thus..even as poetic...literal truth can be gleamed from it....
It's always a "figure of speech" or "mistranslation" or "cultural anomaly" or "context issue" or "poetic license", or, or, or....
And it's "gleaned", since we're being accurate about words.
so you saying figures of speech was never used in the Bible days?
Where do you see that I said that?
well..the way you carry on seems to imply your belief they were never used
That's your projection.
@ kermit
I posted an answer, but I'm not sure it made it. Sorry if I'm repeating...
Whenever science proves that something in the bible is wrong, there's always a scramble to spin it. Hence, there's a lot of "figures of speech" and "mistranslations" and "context issues" and "cultural anomalies".
HOLD it..your argument BEGS the question that it was WronG to begin with!!! Youhave to show they were being LITERAL first before you say science proved them wrong.....basically youre promoting a dishonest approach
The earth isn't flat, you know.
uhh..yeah..I know it aint flat......
That's good.
"However the Earth is the center in Gods heart which is why for all *we know* we are the only intellectual living beings that exist in the whole universe..."
You know no such thing. Why are you pretending to know things you do not?
Because the earth is the center of Gods attention...
"I love coming to these blogs just to see all the little atheists come on here and do everything possible to bash the bible and declare it as a fairy tale and BLAH BLAH BLAH.."
" I am not a christian. I am only a man who believes the Bible is true and also believes that a supernatural being exists. I don't believe in judgeing others like most people believe most Christians do"
Did you read what you wrote?? It's rather contradictory! What do you think it sounds like when you make statements like the first one I quoted? Is that not judging?
Then you go on to say you're not christian but believe the bible...how many non-christian's believe in the bible???
How am I contradicting my self? Lets see I believe in God and I believe in the Bible but I don't go to church nor do I do "christian things" How hard is it not to understand?
There are people out there who believe there is a god and do believe in the bibles teachings also... You don't have to be a christian to believe in God..
The god of the bible is the christian god.
"Definition of CHRISTIAN
a : one who professes belief in the teachings of Jesus Christ
b (1) : disciple 2 (2) : a member of one of the Churches of Christ separating from the Disciples of Christ in 1906 (3) : a member of the Christian denomination having part in the union of the United Church of Christ concluded in 1961 "
As for contradicting, you say you don't believe in judging but yet you immediately started this blurb out by doing just that. Maybe had you of just stated your view instead of being an ass towards Atheists, it wouldn't have been considered judging.
Because you're judging people? After you stated "I don’t believe in judgeing others like most people believe most Christians do”? That's not contradictory?
If you're not Christian, why do you believe in the NT?
I am not judging anybody but questioning others beliefs... Our forefathers believed in a deity, they did not believe in the god of the bible but they did believe IN a GOD... So far I seen more believable stuff come out of the bible than any other "religious" book out there.... However I believe the most interesting stories come from ancient greece about Zeus and the other gods of olympus...
So why are you offended when others question your beliefs?
The first sentence of your OP was judgemental. Perhaps you didn't mean it to appear as an attack on atheists, but that's precisely what you did.
Do you believe Jesus was divine?
"God has given people the free will to choose what to do or what to think"
Impossible. You clearly have not read the bible.
That was for justpro...
Please show us where the Babble predicted antibiotics, and then explain how you "loving" deity didn't "reveal" the way to make a pump-oxygenator used in open-heart surgery when Jebus KNEW all about, but said nothing.
Your quote:
It is interesting to note that as a believer, I can accept what I see in the universe and what has been proposed in the ‘big bang’ theory without having to abandon my faith. In fact, I actually see the science here as a confirmation of my faith.
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Faith meaning to believe in something without evidence. A path I as an atheist do not partake in. Rather, I care about what is true and what is false. For those whom hold a belief by faith and in return utilize facts which were discovered outside of their faith as self confirmation only adds to the delusional thinking of your faith based ideas.
justpro86
We tend to believe lots of things, just not things that don't deserve belief.
Tell me, do you believe everything that you hear?
I could ask the same thing to non-believers and Atheists...
You could, if you were trying to avoid answering the question. Oh, wait, you did!
One of the most amusing aspects of the story of Noah and the ark is that is says an all-knowing, all-seeing all-powerful perfect God came to the conclusion that the pinnacle of his creation efforts, the human race, was such a dismal failure he wanted to wipe it out completely because he'd failed in his efforts to get it to turn out as he had hoped. Men, women, children, fetuses, embryos, zygotes, even fertilized eggs were all to be destroyed. If that's what a perfect god creates I'd hate to see what an imperfect god creates.
The god of the bible is about as mature as a six-year-old.
I doubt that even a six year old would drown a hamster just because he was peeved with it.
Are there robots ? There's got to be robots !
What a great vaca summer Redboxer !
I'm just hoping for 'splosions! Gotta be 'splosions or it ain't a real movie!
♰ ♰ ♰ Jesus Christ Is Lord ♰ ♰ ♰
To the beloved readers:
I see a lot of commotion on this blog regarding Christianity and non-belief. Without going into such great details, please know this:
If you call upon the Name of the Lord Jesus Christ in Belief/Faith in Him as Lord and Personal Savior, YOU ARE SAVED, regardless of your state of the flesh, that is regardless of your sins, flaws, shortcomings, or what have you. This is the "Dispensation of Grace," the New Covenant, the Good News of the Lord Jesus Christ.
Just believe.
so good people who DON'T call on jesus are to be tortured forever, but child molesters that DO call on jesus go to heaven?
Or, you know, learn the facts about science, history and religion, take the time to consider them for yourself, and then chose to believer or not believe. Don't take glib promises at face value. It's very easy to make promises when there is no way to prove if they are kept or not.
You are just sad, determined to believe a narrative for which there is no evidence whatsoever solely because you like it better than the alternatives.
wait...you went for just know to just believe ! which is it ?
Vic, you misunderstood. The news is bad.
Vic, seriously, regarding your daily blathering about your dead Jesus zombie story, the whole Jesus-sacrifice thing is a steaming pile of nonsense. How is it again that your omnipotent being couldn't do his saving bit without the whole silly Jesus hoopla? And how was Jesus' death a "sacrifice", when an omnipotent being could just pop up a replacement son any time with less than a snap of his fingers? Pretty pathetic "god" that you've made for yourself there. The core of your religion is complete nonsense.
Furthermore, your murderous sky fairy, your "god", makes some pretty horrid demands of you according to your Christian book of nasty AKA the bible. From both foul testaments:
Numbers 31:17-18
17 Now kiII all the boys. And kiII every woman who has slept with a man,
18 but save for yourselves every girl who has never slept with a man.
Deuteronomy 13:6 – “If your brother, your mother’s son or your son or daughter, or the wife you cherish, or your friend who is as your own soul entice you secretly, saying, let us go and serve other gods … you shall surely kill him; your hand shall be first against him to put him to death”
Revelation 2:23 And I will kill her children with death; and all the churches shall know that I am he which searcheth the reins and hearts: and I will give unto every one of you according to your works.
Leviticus 25
44 “‘Your male and female slaves are to come from the nations around you; from them you may buy slaves.
45 You may also buy some of the temporary residents living among you and members of their clans born in your country, and they will become your property.
46 You can bequeath them to your children as inherited property and can make them slaves for life, but you must not rule over your fellow Israelites ruthlessly.
Note that the bible is also very clear that you should sacrifice and burn an animal today because the smell makes sicko Christian sky fairy happy. No, you don't get to use the parts for food. You burn them, a complete waste of the poor animal.
Yes, the bible really says that, everyone. Yes, it's in Leviticus, look it up. Yes, Jesus purportedly said that the OT commands still apply. No exceptions. But even if you think the OT was god's mistaken first go around, you have to ask why a perfect, loving enti-ty would ever put such horrid instructions in there. If you think rationally at all, that is.
And then, if you disagree with my interpretation, ask yourself how it is that your "god" couldn't come up with a better way to communicate than a book that is so readily subject to so many interpretations and to being taken "out of context", and has so many mistakes in it. Pretty pathetic god that you've made for yourself.
So get out your sacrificial knife or your nasty sky creature will torture you eternally. Or just take a closer look at your foolish supersti-tions, understand that they are just silly, and toss them into the dustbin with all the rest of the gods that man has created.
And then, ask yourself why we should have to rely on very stale, thousands-of-years-old, many-versioned old text, that is only reasonably subject to debates over its meaning. Why is it that your pathetic sky fairy can't even get with the past decade and create his own web presence (no, religious shill sites don't count), or push some tweets out? Even the pope, that creepy hider of criminal priests, could do that much, as can most children. After thousands of years of radio silence, reasonable doubt in the existence of your sky creature is easily justified, to say the least. Your absurd "god" is also apparently less capable at communication than any modern 10 year old.
Ask the questions. Break the chains. Join the movement.
Be free of Christianity and other superstitions.
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Vic
"Just believe."
Funny, I have a Santa decoration with that on it.
That one made me snort...
the earth has a finite amount of water. where did the extra water to cover all the land on earth come from? magic? where did it go afterwards? more magic? sure is fun to believe in fairy tales.
Don't ask. If you ask you invite one of them to offer some speculation that's completely unsupported by any evidence whatsoever. Speculation and rationalization are the cornerstones of Christianity. As long as they can come up with a story to explain something their job is done, even if nothing in the Bible supports their story, much less anything in the real world.
noah, the charming story of god drowning millions of people, including babies, the elderly, infirm, physically and mentally disabled, etc. how can anyone worship a god that drowns babies? only a monster could fill a child's lungs with water and call it divine justice.
Not to mention all the innocent animals that did nothing to earn the confusion, fear and suffering that a flood of this magnitude would cause. The judeo-christian god is a vindictive prick.
Imagine the famine that would follow.
imagine the maggots and flies that would follow. every animal and human and plant on earth except the one's in the boat died. the stink would be unbearable.
I have to agree that it is a charming love story, but overall I am against drowning babies.
If you don't believe God why do you even comment. If you do, you would have to admit your understanding of anything is non-existent. You are a troll.
"If you don't believe God why do you even comment. If you do, you would have to admit your understanding of anything is non-existent. You are a troll."
^^ so no one except christians should be able to comment here? lol, who's the troll?
How silly. The history of your god and all gods is a part of human culture and very easy to understand. Some choose to believe the myth, others choose not to, but we all have the same understanding. Believers just think that their understanding is special.
"If you don't believe God why do you even comment."
To plant the seeds of reality in the minds of the brainwashed.
ohhh..so we are not living in reality? Who are you to pretend you are a psychologist??
You don't need a psychology degree to know that snakes and donkeys can't talk.
You worship a god that kills babies, except you call it money. That is why people like you think that going into a country to bring oil prices down is ok; not giving farmers water to grow food so that you can "protect" a fish is ok. Where is your love?
you can't be talking to me...
everything you said is wrong.
Failure is failure. At least the Christian God was man enough back then to admit he was an incompetent failure.
haha. 10+
This is still only a movie right? As in Hollywood and not accurate to the actual story of Noah? Just making sure, because people are acting like its a war against religion and the director has already said it's just fiction. It's a movie people!!!!!!!!!
Using undiscovered evidence, Hollywood researchers have discovered it may have happened just this way.
Do any of my Christian friends disagree that man has created many, many gods?
bostontola, on behalf of your Christian friends, we believe man has invented many false gods. Ours is the only true God. As the Almighty sits upon his cloud, the emptied skin of a sinner dangling from his left hand, He raises is right arm in anger and flails it about at the sinners that wear no covering over their genitalia. Hope this helps.
@CS
You said, "Ours is the only true God."
What makes yours any different from all the other gods? What reason is there to believe it is any more real than any of the others, or even the Tooth Fairy for that matter?
What evidence do you have to makes it so special?
LinCA, naked monks are no laughing matter. When you have a god better than the one true God let us know. When judgment day arrives, you will be reading "People" magazine rather than the Holy Bible. The Truth. Getting on a cloud is not easy, plus you are naked and if your scrap of cloth keeps falling off the Almighty will smite you. God bless.
@CS
LOL
@CS: Thanks for the laugh.
"we believe man has invented many false gods. Ours is the only true God."
Signed,
Anyone who has ever believed in one or more gods.
"Hope this helps."
It helps demonstrate that religion makes people stupid and arrogant. We all know you have no more evidence to support your belief that your god is the "true" god than a Viking had that Odin was a true god or that any other believer has had that his god is the "true" god.
The only argument you have to support this claim is that your god is your god and hence he must be the true god. It is only arrogance that keeps you from seeing that anyone who has ever believed in any god could use the same argument.
Ponderously Dimwitted, Dull, And Boring Rainer Helmut Braendlein, sequester your mustard and abolish your putrid leotards. Don't obfuscate the primary prenuptials with rasberries. Often, the pertinent cat presents fabled necessities in the parking chamfer. Realize your net precedent. Triangulate! Save the best for the alligators. Ever the bastille notches the orchestra but Wendy is not green and horses will capitulate. Filter out the log from the turnstile and cry prevalently.
So there brown stare. Feed your inner walnut and resolve. Subject your lemon to the ingenious door in the presence of snow and animals. Aisle 7 is for the monetary cheese whiz. Faced with the kitchen, you may wish to prolong the sailboat in the cliff. Otherwise, rabbits may descend on your left nostril. Think about how you can stripe the sea.
Regale the storm to those who (6) would thump the parrot with the armband. Corner the market on vestiges of the apparent closure but seek not the evidential circumstance. Therein you can find indignant mountains of pigs and apples. Descend eloquently as you debate the ceiling of your warning fulcrum. Vacate the corncob profusely and and don’t dote on the pancreas.
Next up, control your wood. Have at the cat with your watch on the fore. Aft! Smarties (12)! Rome wasn’t kevetched in an autumn nightie. (42) See yourself for the turntable on the escalator. Really peruse the garage spider definitely again again with brown. Now we have an apparent congestion, so be it here. Just a moment is not a pod of beef for the ink well nor can it be (4) said that Karen was there in the millpond.
Garbage out just like the candle in the kitty so. Go, go, go until the vacuum meets the upward vacation. Sell the yellow. Then trim the bus before the ten cheese please Louise. Segregate from the koan and stew the ship vigorously.
And remember, never pass up an opportunity to watch an elephant paint Mozart.
Ponderously Dimwitted And Boring Rainer Helmut Braendlein, sequester your mustard and abolish your putrid leotards. Don't obfuscate the primary prenuptials with rasberries. Often, the pertinent cat presents fabled necessities in the parking chamfer. Realize your net precedent. Triangulate! Save the best for the alligators. Ever the bastille notches the orchestra but Wendy is not green and horses will capitulate. Filter out the log from the turnstile and cry prevalently.
So there brown stare. Feed your inner walnut and resolve. Subject your lemon to the ingenious door in the presence of snow and animals. Aisle 7 is for the monetary cheese whiz. Faced with the kitchen, you may wish to prolong the sailboat in the cliff. Otherwise, rabbits may descend on your left nostril. Think about how you can stripe the sea.
Regale the storm to those who (6) would thump the parrot with the armband. Corner the market on vestiges of the apparent closure but seek not the evidential circumstance. Therein you can find indignant mountains of pigs and apples. Descend eloquently as you debate the ceiling of your warning fulcrum. Vacate the corncob profusely and and don’t dote on the pancreas.
Next up, control your wood. Have at the cat with your watch on the fore. Aft! Smarties (12)! Rome wasn’t kevetched in an autumn nightie. (42) See yourself for the turntable on the escalator. Really peruse the garage spider definitely again again with brown. Now we have an apparent congestion, so be it here. Just a moment is not a pod of beef for the ink well nor can it be (4) said that Karen was there in the millpond.
Garbage out just like the candle in the kitty so. Go, go, go until the vacuum meets the upward vacation. Sell the yellow. Then trim the bus before the ten cheese please Louise. Segregate from the koan and stew the ship vigorously.
And remember, never pass up an opportunity to watch an elephant paint Mozart.
1 Peter 3: 18-22
For Christ also hath once suffered for sins, the just for the unjust, that he might bring us to God, being put to death in the flesh, but quickened by the Spirit: 19 By which also he went and preached unto the spirits in prison; 20 Which sometime were disobedient, when once the longsuffering of God waited in the days of Noah, while the ark was a preparing, wherein few, that is, eight souls were saved by water. 21 The like figure whereunto even baptism doth also now save us (not the putting away of the filth of the flesh, but the answer of a good conscience toward God,) by the resurrection of Jesus Christ: 22 Who is gone into heaven, and is on the right hand of God; angels and authorities and powers being made subject unto him.
St. Peter had great insight, he had got the gift of the Holy Spirit who enabled him to understand the Old Testament rightly.
Does God have an actual hand or is this metaphor?
Ponderously Stupendously Boring Rainer Helmut Braendlein, sequester your mustard and abolish your putrid leotards. Don't obfuscate the primary prenuptials with rasberries. Often, the pertinent cat presents fabled necessities in the parking chamfer. Realize your net precedent. Triangulate! Save the best for the alligators. Ever the bastille notches the orchestra but Wendy is not green and horses will capitulate. Filter out the log from the turnstile and cry prevalently.
So there brown stare. Feed your inner walnut and resolve. Subject your lemon to the ingenious door in the presence of snow and animals. Aisle 7 is for the monetary cheese whiz. Faced with the kitchen, you may wish to prolong the sailboat in the cliff. Otherwise, rabbits may descend on your left nostril. Think about how you can stripe the sea.
Regale the storm to those who (6) would thump the parrot with the armband. Corner the market on vestiges of the apparent closure but seek not the evidential circumstance. Therein you can find indignant mountains of pigs and apples. Descend eloquently as you debate the ceiling of your warning fulcrum. Vacate the corncob profusely and and don’t dote on the pancreas.
Next up, control your wood. Have at the cat with your watch on the fore. Aft! Smarties (12)! Rome wasn’t kevetched in an autumn nightie. (42) See yourself for the turntable on the escalator. Really peruse the garage spider definitely again again with brown. Now we have an apparent congestion, so be it here. Just a moment is not a pod of beef for the ink well nor can it be (4) said that Karen was there in the millpond.
Garbage out just like the candle in the kitty so. Go, go, go until the vacuum meets the upward vacation. Sell the yellow. Then trim the bus before the ten cheese please Louise. Segregate from the koan and stew the ship vigorously.
And remember, never pass up an opportunity to watch an elephant paint Mozart.
Of course no one knows for sure who authored Peter 1.
Not Peter. Acts says he was "unlettered". Ooops.
Oh course "rightly" means they appear to agree mit Rainer Wearing-a-Tin-helmet Braendlein.
2 Peter 2: 4-8
For if God spared not the angels that sinned, but cast them down to hell, and delivered them into chains of darkness, to be reserved unto judgment; 5 And spared not the old world, but saved Noah the eighth person, a preacher of righteousness, bringing in the flood upon the world of the ungodly; 6 And turning the cities of Sodom and Gomorrah into ashes condemned them with an overthrow, making them an ensample unto those that after should live ungodly; 7 And delivered just Lot, vexed with the filthy conversation of the wicked: 8 (For that righteous man dwelling among them, in seeing and hearing, vexed his righteous soul from day to day with their unlawful deeds;)
Ain't that outrageous?
Ponderously Boring Rainer Helmut Braendlein, sequester your mustard and abolish your putrid leotards. Don't obfuscate the primary prenuptials with rasberries. Often, the pertinent cat presents fabled necessities in the parking chamfer. Realize your net precedent. Triangulate! Save the best for the alligators. Ever the bastille notches the orchestra but Wendy is not green and horses will capitulate. Filter out the log from the turnstile and cry prevalently.
So there brown stare. Feed your inner walnut and resolve. Subject your lemon to the ingenious door in the presence of snow and animals. Aisle 7 is for the monetary cheese whiz. Faced with the kitchen, you may wish to prolong the sailboat in the cliff. Otherwise, rabbits may descend on your left nostril. Think about how you can stripe the sea.
Regale the storm to those who (6) would thump the parrot with the armband. Corner the market on vestiges of the apparent closure but seek not the evidential circumstance. Therein you can find indignant mountains of pigs and apples. Descend eloquently as you debate the ceiling of your warning fulcrum. Vacate the corncob profusely and and don’t dote on the pancreas.
Next up, control your wood. Have at the cat with your watch on the fore. Aft! Smarties (12)! Rome wasn’t kevetched in an autumn nightie. (42) See yourself for the turntable on the escalator. Really peruse the garage spider definitely again again with brown. Now we have an apparent congestion, so be it here. Just a moment is not a pod of beef for the ink well nor can it be (4) said that Karen was there in the millpond.
Garbage out just like the candle in the kitty so. Go, go, go until the vacuum meets the upward vacation. Sell the yellow. Then trim the bus before the ten cheese please Louise. Segregate from the koan and stew the ship vigorously.
And remember, never pass up an opportunity to watch an elephant paint Mozart.
Of course no one knows who authored Peter 2. And that doesn't say much for the alleged stamp of approval there for Paul's letters as "the Word"...
And all this (supposedly) "happened" before space-time (which is dependent on gravity) came into existence. Oops again.
Meaningless drivel. All of it.
According to Matthew it is possible to do professional work even as a Christian up to the second coming of Christ, but according to Revelation everybody who doesn't worship the icon of the Beast will get beheaded (the Beast will rule the world shortly before Jesus returns therefore it is hard to imagine how a Christian should survive or work up to the last moment of history).
How to unite this two seemingly opposed statements of the Bible?
Solution: Even today it is hardly possible to live as a faithful Christian in a totally Antichristian world. It will certainly become impossible within a short period of time. The only outlet (to live without denying Christ) for a Christian could be that Israel converts, and accepts Jesus from Nazareth as the Messiah. Christian could go there, and live under the protection of the state of Israel. Finally, the Antichrist together with the whole world will attack Christian Israel, and then Jesus will return, and kill the Antichrist and his Prophet (the pope?) in order to save the believers (faithful Jews and Gentiles).
Of course no one knows who really authored Matthew.
Israel will never convert to a religion they don't believe in. Why don't you convert to Judaism?
It is totally possible to live as Christ like as possible if you keep you nose out of everyone else's business. You seem incapable of that; further, you seem to wish to control everyone else's actions to conform to your ideal.
Mind your own salvation.
What you have here is a textbook example of the real foundations of Christianity: Speculating and rationalizing. Care to hear my explanation for why Santa Claus stopped delivering presents?
According to Matthew the story of Noah and the Flood has something to do with us today:
Matthew 24: 37-39
But as the days of Noe were, so shall also the coming of the Son of man be. 38 For as in the days that were before the flood they were eating and drinking, marrying and giving in marriage, until the day that Noe entered into the ark, 39 And knew not until the flood came, and took them all away; so shall also the coming of the Son of man be.
So, this Old Testament story of Noah has something to do with us according to Apostle Matthew. Noah was called a "preacher of righeousness" (by Apostle Peter). Regretably, the contemporaries of Noah, save some relatives, did not accept the message of Noah about the Redeemer to come (today we know his name: Jesus from Nazareth). This Redeemer had instructed Noah to construct the ark. Noah and his relatives were like a little church – they did not commit the sins of their contemporaries, but practiced love of neighbour, and loved God. People knew that they had to repent, if they wanted to join Noah's little community, but that had meant some disadvantages for them because the multi-tude would never repent, and remain proud and brutal. How to survive as a meek and humble believer amongst a bulk of brutal and proud beasts?
We today know the Gospel of Jesus Christ who died and rose for us in order to set us free. But we consider too much the disadvantages we had to face, if we would repent. Of course, we had to face some material loss, loss of some beneficial relations, honor and power, if we would repent. But on the other hand God would give us an eternal reward: Everlasting fellowship with God who is the source of life, love, happyness, health, fellowship, etc.
Accept Jesus Christ, the Son of God, as your personal saviour right now. Repent, believe, and get sacramentally baptized, and the sacramental baptism will carry you through by connecting you with the releasing power of Jesus death and resurrection. A baptized person has died for the sin, and entered Christ. In Christ we are able to live a life of love of neighbour and righteousness despite our sinful, selfish nature. If we keep this faith up to the end of our life, God will not judge us, but we will inherit the Kingdom of God.
Koo koo.
That's so cute, l'il Rainy. A++ on your l'll forehead.
Now run out and play, and don't talk like that among the big kids. You don't want everyone to know you're THAT retarded.
Endlessly regurgitating what you believe may reinforce your brainwashing, but it doesn't make any of it true. You have nothing but claims wholly unsupported by any objective evidence. It is nothing more than a narrative you've chosen to believe because you like it better than the alternatives.
WHY are you so arrogant to presume you think and speak for us? WE accept it cause we find it to be TRUTH..not simply cause we like it better..don't be so foohardy and arrogant
"WE accept it cause we find it to be TRUTH"
Rubbish. This is just Christian jargon. We both know you have no objective evidence to support any of it. Not a shred. You can't "find" something to be true without evidence it is true, and you haven't any such evidence. Instead you have simply decided to believe your narrative is true for one or more reasons unrelated to facts, evidence, or even truth in the sense of the word's real definition.
In point of fact, every argument you can make for believing all your hokum can be made for believing the teachings of other religions, since they aren't supported by any evidence either.
You are a Christian, not because it's some great truth you've discovered, but you find it the most compelling of the religious narratives you've heard, and that almost certainly because it's one you've been taught or at least been exposed to most heavily because of where you live and the people you've known growing up.
The simple fact is that where you grow up and the people you know growing up is far and a way the best indicator of which narrative you'll "find" to be "truth." Had you grown up in a Muslim family in Saudi Arabia, where 98% of the population is Muslim, it's a virtual certainty your "truth" would be Islam, not Christianity, for example.
excuse me? you are being arrogant again to speak forme..and you think o bjective stuff is the only way? how bigoted and mindless you are..cant think outside thebox eh?and your silly argumenht of my being with a muslim family is nonesnese..its pure rubbish..I KNOW God personally....I know Jeuss personally..if you don't wanna acccept that..fine...just stop pretending to speak for me and assume you know my life
The SIMPLE fact is I find it truth cause I foiund ti out to be truth....you are blindly following science as your god and think sicnece answrers it all and applies to all things..sorry jack..but you got a limited mindset there
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=848SpsjdMyI
You have the most craptastic taste in music. Please stop sharing.
lol
Yes, I think if I close my eyes and let my cat pick out a song on youtube, she would come up with something better than this.
"if cats could sing, they'd hate it too" Dr Sheldon Cooper
Even if the cat sang "Soft Kitty"?