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April 7th, 2014
12:41 PM ET
Megachurch pastor resigns, citing 'moral failing'Fort Lauderdale, Florida (WPLG Miami) The senior pastor of Calvary Chapel Fort Lauderdale has resigned after confessing to cheating on his wife, according to WPLG Miami. Pastor Bob Coy, 58, reportedly confessed a "moral failing which disqualifies him from continuing his leadership role at the church" to Calvary leaders on Wednesday. A board meeting was called the next day, when he resigned. Coy, who has led the church since its founding in 1985, said he will now focus his full attention on his personal relationship with God and his family. The radio, television and digital media that distributes Coy's teachings have also been suspended. "The governing board of the church is providing counselors and ministers who will help guide him through the process of full repentance, cleansing and restoration," Calvary Chapel said in a statement. Calvary is one of the largest churches in Florida, with some 20,000 members who worship in 10 locations across the state. "Trusting in God's providence, protection, provision and direction, the staff of Calvary Chapel Fort Lauderdale will continue our mission to 'make disciples' through regular services at all campuses and through myriad other ministries the church has established over the years," the statement said. At an open service at the church Sunday, a letter was read to the congregation from Coy and the board. Assistant pastors who are on staff will continue their usual rotating schedule as teaching pastors for all services, the statement said.
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I don't think he should have resigned everyone sins.
I dunno...this is number seven on God's top ten...I think he made the right choice, myself. He owned up to it.
Oh, come on – the Ten Commandments are in the Old Testament. The OT doesn't count any more, accord to lots of Christians. Just the New Testament, where Jesus said "Love Thy Neighbour".
Hang on – the woman he had an affair with ... if she was his neighbour .... then he's following the commandment of Jesus!
Praise the Lord and pass the Neighbour – I've got God's work to do!
Where is it reported that he had an affair with a woman?
@ Non-GOP – good point, It just said he cheated on his wife. Could have been with a guy. Or a goat. A badger, perhaps. Chicken. Drugged wombat. Confused armadillo.
Who knows?
Do you also think Ted Haggard should not have resigned or forced to leave?
Everyone today is looking at this very simlistically.
Calvary Chapel is a huge organization. The Fort Lauderdale "branch" has ten campuses.
This is from the HuffPost:
"“We have confirmed that Coy has admitted to at least two affairs in the past year alone and has had a long standing ‘problem with p0rnography,’” wrote blogger Michael Newnham. Newnham also wrote that Coy was taken off the board membership page for the Calvary Chapel Association, a ministry started by the late pastor Chuck Smith."
The official reporting speaks of "moral failings". No one is actually saying with whom (woman or man) he had an affair.
My guess is that the Calvary Chapel Association (think Corporate HQ) has stepped in and insisted on his resignation as 'damage control' to spare the greater Calvary Chapel organization from further embarassment. I smell smoke and sense that there is more to this than is reported here. I freely admit that I am speculating here, but why else to do have a pastor admit to an affair. It's a plausible cover that brooks further questioning.
Ooops – simplistically.
"The radio, television and digital media that distributes Coy's teachings have also been suspended"
This is really telling. This is not just about a pastor who sinned. This feels more like corporate damage control because it is about income. It feels like this is about the Calvary Chapel Association limiting liability in case of future lawsuits.
The Calvary Chapel Association has experience with managing lawsuits regarding pastor ped0philia. (Please note that I'm not saying anything like that is the case here, there is no evidence for that, but that they know how to circle the wagons.)
If Christianity was true, would you believe it?
If it were true you wouldn't have to believe it but accept it.
If there was objective verifiable evidence for Jesus being God, I would believe it. I still would be very skeptical of Christianity and the NT. It was clearly distorted terribly by man.
Please read my post below concerning facts around the death of Jesus.
Those are not facts. A cult was in the making and has the propaganda to prove it, aka the New Testament.
This is where modern scholarship stands.
there are not historical fact outside of the bible that support the existence of Christ. The stories were taken from multiple older religions and molded to the modern Christ story you read about today.
"This is where modern scholarship stands."
No, it doesn't. That's more nonsense.
Doris,
You'd have to take it up Bart Ehrman.
Nonsense. Show an exact quote from Ehrman showing where he believes your #2 or #3 are facts.
Doris,
Did you read the Ehrman quotes I listed?
Uto,
Are you familiar with Josephus or Tacitus?
The hearsay "historians". Yes.
Doris,
Non Christian sources that testify to the crucifixion of Jesus. Mara Bar Serapion (sorry if misspelled) is another.
Doris,
You do realize that REAL Christians would be glad to talk about the morals they believe in instead of being AFRAID to do so. Beware of trolls.
Your sources were'nt eyewitnesses, tf01...You testify to Jesus' resurrection and your word is of no value, either.
tf: "Did you read the Ehrman quotes I listed?"
Yes I did. It's quite obvious there that Ehrman is stating he thinks Paul is not lying about hearing that others had claimed. That's quite different from Ehrman believing in the same claims made, and you certainly tried to make it seem so.
that others had claims
Doris,
Here is an excerpt from Bart Ehrman's quote: "Why, then, did some of the disciples claim to see Jesus alive after his resurrection? I don’t doubt at all that some disciples claimed this"
Yes, tf, and that means Bart is addressing whether claims were made or not. He is not addressing his own belief or disbelief in the claims.
Obviously Bart Ehrman rejects the resurrection. That is not the claim. He believes that the disciples CLAIMED to see Jesus alive after His resurrection.
Well put
If either Christians or atheists could PROVE God exists or doesn't, I'd believe it and go along with them.
Christianity does exist. I live by it!
That's your problem.
True, the Christian cult does indeed exist but the myths that make up the belief system are well....myths.
I like that they stopped distributing his books and other media. This is only a guess, but I imagine he was told by the other pastors in the church to come clean with the congregation. It sounds like this church is handling the situation very well. Contrast that to the way things were swept under the carpet with the Catholic church. What a difference.
Valid point that there is a contrast with RCC, RCC was hypocritical and deceiving. Calvary is just hypocritical. Saying this pastor is unqualified because of moral issues, would disqualify all members of the human race.
The following information is taken from a debate between Michael Licona and Bart Ehrman unless otherwise noted.
Three facts pertaining to Jesus’s fate and what occurred afterward that nearly 100% of all scholars today studying this subject accept. This includes Christians, Jews, agnostics and atheists.
1. Jesus’ death by crucifixion.
“One of the most certain facts of history is that Jesus was crucified on orders of the Roman prefect of Judea, Pontius Pilate.” – Bart Ehrman quote shown in his debate with Michael Liconia (“Ehrman vs. Licona (2009)”) on YouTube.
2. Appearances to the Disciples
This is short for saying that shortly after Jesus’s death, a number of Jesus’s followers had experiences both individually and in group settings that they perceived were of the risen Jesus who appeared to them.
“Why, then, did some of the disciples claim to see Jesus alive after his resurrection? I don’t doubt at all that some disciples claimed this. We don’t have any of their written testimony, but Paul, writing about twenty-five years later, indicates that this is what they claimed, and I don’t think he is making it up. And he knew at least a couple of them, whom he met just three years after the event Galatians 1:18-19).” – from Bart Ehrman’s book, Jesus Interrupted
“A number of ancient sources ranging from say 30 to 200 years after Jesus report that these same disciples were willing to suffer continuously for their gospel proclamation, that they were willing to die and that at least a few of them did die as Christian martyrs.” – Michael Liconia in his debate with Bart Ehrman
Michael Licona indicates that this doesn’t prove that what they were proclaiming was true but it does show that they sincerely regarded what they were proclaiming as being true. Liars make poor martyrs. The disciples believed that Jesus had risen from the dead.
3. Appearance to Paul
Short for saying that Paul had an experience that he perceived was of the risen Jesus appearing to him.
“”there is no doubt that [Paul] believed that he saw Jesus’ real but glorified body raised from the dead.”
– Bart Ehrman quote shown in his debate with Michael Liconia (“Ehrman vs. Licona (2009)”) on YouTube.
As Dr. Michael Licona indicates in his debate with Bart Ehrman, a number of ancient sources report that Paul willingly suffered and was willing to die and in fact he did die as a Christian martyr for his gospel proclamation. This shows the sincerety for what he was
What other option best explains the facts other than the historical resurrection of Jesus?!?
Committed religious fanatics believe all sorts of things. The most reasonable explanation is just that – Paul was a committed religious kook.
The willingness of some disciples of Jesus to die speaks to the zealotry of their belief. It does not stand as any proof of divinity or resurrection.
Do you believe that the many Muslim fundamentalists willing to die- and dying!- for their "beliefs" validate those beliefs' authenticity?
I'm glad you brought this up. What is the difference between, say, the 9/11 terrorists and the disciples? The difference is huge! The 9/11 terrorists were about 1300 years removed from Mohammed. They sincerely believed in what Mohammed wrote 1300 years ago. The disciples were in a position to KNOW whether or not Jesus rose from the dead. Their lives testify to the fact that He did.
they testify to nothing
Oh...tf01....you think you're so thoughtful...
The idiot terrorists didn't have their lives TAKEN from them, they volunteered...far more courageous than your disciples.
And, that you believe the disciples "knew" Jesus is somehow a superior proof of their genuineness, then perhaps you should have a talk with those who toasted Jim Jones with his special flavor of Kool Aid.
All you are doing is repeating myths. That proves nothing
The Three facts pertaining to Jesus's fate and what occurred afterward are accepted by 100% of all scholars today studying this subject. This includes Christians, Jews, agnostics and atheists.
truthfollower01,
Since you refuse to answer any questions about your own morals, you have zero credibility, troll.
Just staying on topic. I told you to look up info on the Hebrew word as given in the verse. I don't believe the verse is saying what you think it does.
truthfollower01,
Tell that to the biblical scholars that TRANSLATED the Bible.
Another miserable FAILURE.
Still SCARED STIFF to have to admit what your morals are, troll.
Absolute nonsense.
If Jews and atheists accepted Jesus' resurrection as fact, there'd be a lot fewer Jews and atheists.
I never said they accepted Jesus' resurrection as fact.
"truth"follower: "I never said they accepted Jesus' resurrection as fact."
Yes, you pretty much did – or at least tried – via this:
"Three facts pertaining to Jesus’s fate and what occurred afterward that nearly 100% of all scholars today studying this subject accept. This includes Christians, Jews, agnostics and atheists."
["fact" #2] " Appearances to the Disciples [..] This is short for saying that shortly after Jesus’s death...."
So where are your stats on agnostics, atheists and Jews that accept #2?
Observer, tf01 is "just staying on topic."
In other words, he is incapable of coloring outside of the lines of his agenda notes and his signed copy of NT Wright and WL Craig. He will immediately become functionally illiterate unless he can keep you within his boundaries of "objective morality, Hilter, the Holocaust" and a few other subjects.
Don't confuse him with his own failure to live what his Gospel actually requires.
ssq41,
The troll is entertaining. Here we have the world's first Christian who doesn't want to talk about what he believes in the Bible. lol.
Gee, do you think there's any chance he might even be an atheist who gets his kicks trying to stir up other atheists?
Observer, he reminds me of Chad and Russ to some degree, but otherwise, he's a coward. As with you and everyone else he asks his 3 questions of, he refuses to listen or consider their questions of him.
What that shows is that he is simply unable (afraid) to go off talking points for fear of being found out...
Chad and Russ aren't afraid to answer "off-topic" questions.
Typical Christian...needs to be in control.
ssq41,
Speaking of Chad, who had far more HONESTY and INTEGRITY than this troll, do you know what became of him? Did the daily beatings on here get to be too much?
At least with Chad and Russ, agree with them or not, they do seem sincere in what they are saying.
truthfollower01 reminds me of Chad as well. Not so much of Russ.
This is a good point that I think a lot of people overlook.
People tend to not want to die for things that they know to be a lie. The Muslim fundamentalists passionately believe in the truth of their faith. They might be wrong, but they don't know their wrong.
With the early Disciples, they would be in a position to know that they are wrong. If you know what you are proclaiming to be a lie, it would take a very strange individual to want to die for that lie.
Interesting that when Christianity gained political power, and they were no longer under the threat of persecution, Christian religious leaders began torturing and killing non Christians who wouldn't convert to Christianity.
People sincerely died at Jonestown. They must be right.
The disciples were in a position to KNOW whether or not Jesus rose from the dead. Their lives testify to the fact that He did.
Exactly how is it we know about the lives of the disciples?
They would have if there was historical evidence of them doing so, I suppose.
What other option best explains all that hearsay and nonsense? That it's nonsense. Related and passed down by deluded and non-rational people. That's the option that best explains it my friend. You already know the logic of every other claim for every other god and associated myths. You don't believe the myths of Zeus or of Odin or of any of the other countless creation myths and associated godheads and for good reason, you rationally can look at those fanciful stories and dismiss them as nonsense. You just need to take a rational look at this last one and see the truth Mr/Ms truthfollwer01.
Once again, The disciples were in a position to KNOW whether or not Jesus rose from the dead. Their lives testify to the fact that He did.
Except that there's very little to support exactly HOW we know what you allege.
Do you honestly think that nearly 100% of scholars including Bart Ehrman would accept the three statements on very little support?
tf: "Do you honestly think that nearly 100% of scholars including Bart Ehrman would accept the three statements on very little support?"
First of all, you've claimed but not shown that Bart Erhman would accept all three of your statements as facts. Show for #2 and #3 where Bart Erhman claims these as facts.
Doris,
Bart Ehrman does agree with the three statements. If you don't believe me, watch the debate on YouTube for yourself.
"truthfollower": 2. ["shortly after Jesus' death"] Appearances to the Disciples
Absolute nonsense.
A "fact" [that] "...nearly 100% of all scholars today studying this subject accept. This includes Christians, Jews, agnostics and atheists."??
Surely you are joking.
Same thing with #3.
Good grief. Please give the exact quote from Erhman's book where he states he believes these are "facts"...
2. I gave the Ehrman quote to support the disciples belief. Contrary to what you may believe, this is the standing of almost 100% of modern scholars today studying this subject. The same for the third point concerning Paul's belief. Concerning Bart Ehrman's quote, I'm not sure which of his books this is from. It is shown on a screen in the presentation of the debate.
"I gave the Ehrman quote to support the disciples belief."
LOL
Oh, so suddenly we are not talking about "facts" that "100%" of scholars agree upon which was your claim, to just scholars agreeing on the beliefs of the characters in the story.. LOL. Who do you think you're trying to fool here??
Nearly 100% agree with the three statements. I quote Ehrman because of Ehrman's credentials.
Show where Ehrman belives that your #2 or #3 are facts – exact quotes – your opinion of what Ehrman believes is of no interest here.
believes
Also, show some stats – let's see how close you get to 100%.
"Do as I say, don't do as I do
And please don't forget- send a check or two, too"
The following information is taken from a debate between Michael Licona and Bart Ehrman unless otherwise noted.
Three facts pertaining to Jesus’s fate and what occurred afterward that nearly 100% of all scholars today studying this subject accept. This includes Christians, Jews, agnostics and atheists.
1. Jesus’ death by crucifixion.
“One of the most certain facts of history is that Jesus was crucified on orders of the Roman prefect of Judea, Pontius Pilate.” – Bart Ehrman quote shown in his debate with Michael Liconia (“Ehrman vs. Licona (2009)”) on YouTube.
2. Appearances to the Disciples
This is short for saying that shortly after Jesus’s death, a number of Jesus’s followers had experiences both individually and in group settings that they perceived were of the risen Jesus who appeared to them.
“Why, then, did some of the disciples claim to see Jesus alive after his resurrection? I don’t doubt at all that some disciples claimed this. We don’t have any of their written testimony, but Paul, writing about twenty-five years later, indicates that this is what they claimed, and I don’t think he is making it up. And he knew at least a couple of them, whom he met just three years after the event Galatians 1:18-19).” – from Bart Ehrman’s book, Jesus Interrupted
“A number of ancient sources ranging from say 30 to 200 years after Jesus report that these same disciples were willing to suffer continuously for their gospel proclamation, that they were willing to die and that at least a few of them did die as Christian martyrs.” – Michael Liconia in his debate with Bart Ehrman
Michael Licona indicates that this doesn’t prove that what they were proclaiming was true but it does show that they sincerely regarded what they were proclaiming as being true. Liars make poor martyrs. The disciples believed that Jesus had risen from the dead.
3. Appearance to Paul
Short for saying that Paul had an experience that he perceived was of the risen Jesus appearing to him.
“”there is no doubt that [Paul] believed that he saw Jesus’ real but glorified body raised from the dead.”
– Bart Ehrman quote shown in his debate with Michael Liconia (“Ehrman vs. Licona (2009)”) on YouTube.
As Dr. Michael Licona indicates in his debate with Bart Ehrman, a number of ancient sources report that Paul willingly suffered and was willing to die and in fact he did die as a Christian martyr for his gospel proclamation. This shows the sincerety for what he was proclaiming.
Think about those three facts in relation to the resurrection claim. What other option best explains the facts other than the historical resurrection of Jesus?!?
truthfollower01,l
You're always talking about morals and how good they are in the Bible.
Do you ACTUALLY believe in the Bible's morals?
(Deut. 25:11-12) “If two men fight together, and the wife of one draws near to rescue her husband from the hand of the one attacking him, and puts out her hand and seizes him by the genitals, then you shall cut off her hand; your eye shall not pity her.”
Do you AGREE with this Bible MORAL?
This is what happens when you follow some Oxford idiot who hasn't even read the bible.
Why would you believe that's a biblical moral, any more than reading the history of any societies justice from x millenia ago? It's a report. The morals are from the 10 commandments, for example. And, Christianity began with Christ.
Why would anyone presume that every telling in the Bible is an instruction on how to live? (and if it was, do you see Christians, either individually or en masse doing what you quote? Of course, the answer is you've picked a position and want so much to be right that you'll suppress intellectualism and interest in things you don't want to understand, with emotion, guesses, and hate.
calmdownabit,
lol. So there's maybe only 10 morals in the Bible and the rest are in there for laughs.
Pitiful effort. Try again.
Obviously Bart Ehrman thinks there are better explainations otherwise he would still be a Christian...that is the flaw in using an agnostic textual scholar to try and shore up your belief. Weak argument.
Have you heard his reasoning? You should watch the debate.
truthfollower01,
So what are you morals?
Do you agree that if your wife tried to defend you by grabbing an assailant's genitals, that you would want HER HAND CUT OFF?
Observer, look up information on an alternate translation of the Hebrew word 'kaph' (hand). It should give you a different understanding of the verse.
ruthfollower01,
Reading comprehension problem? So what are you morals?
Do you agree that if your wife tried to defend you by grabbing an assailant's genitals, that you would want HER HAND CUT OFF?
Their willingness to die speaks to the zealotry of their belief, not as any proof of divinity or resurrection.
Do you believe that the many Muslim fundamentalists willing to die- and dying!- for their "beliefs" validate those beliefs' authenticity?
I’m glad you brought this up. What is the difference between, say, the 9/11 terrorists and the disciples? The difference is huge! The 9/11 terrorists were about 1300 years removed from Mohammed. They sincerely believed in what Mohammed wrote 1300 years ago. The disciples were in a position to KNOW whether or not Jesus rose from the dead. Their lives testify to the fact that He did
"The disciples were in a position to KNOW whether or not Jesus rose from the dead. Their lives testify to the fact that He did"
They were in a position because they were part of a story that can't be corroborated.
"What other option best explains the facts other than the historical resurrection of Jesus?!?"
The resurrection story was made up?
The disciples made up a story and then died for something they knew was a lie? Liars make poor martyrs. As indicated above, a number of Jesus' followers sincerely believed that they saw the risen Jesus. How does your premise explain Paul's conversion and resulting life?
Clearly Saul of Tarsus bought into the story.
The martyrdom stories of the apostles are even more apocryphal than that of Jesus.
Paul sincerely believed that he saw the risen Jesus.
“”there is no doubt that [Paul] believed that he saw Jesus’ real but glorified body raised from the dead.”
– Bart Ehrman quote shown in his debate with Michael Liconia (“Ehrman vs. Licona (2009)”) on YouTube.
Are you saying you don't even believe in the crucifixion of Jesus?!?!
Only the resurrection. I don't see anything particularly remarkable about crucifixion. It happened the Roman Empire. I'm not sure how commonplace it was, but that it existed was plausible.
Why is there reason to believe Paul? Who could corroborate Paul's claims (aside from his sidekick Luke)??
resurrectionism daht com. Seriously, read a few proofs of the resurrection. They're quite academic, actually. If you don't / can't believe, just know this: If you can seriously debunk a list like these, you could probably convert most people to atheism. This is your challenge, But I warn you: History has recorded a lot of atheists or agnostic who became Christian once trying to overcome a list like this.
The only sources for the resurrection story are the Gospels. These you either believe on faith, or not.
Okay, I read all that stuff. There are no outside sources used, everything is from the bible. The authors makes many assumptions but states them as facts.
I don't get what you think is so compelling about this website. It's just somebody's opinions.
At best, it proves he suffered from mental illness.
Who suffered?
"truthfollower": 2. ["shortly after Jesus' death"] Appearances to the Disciples
Absolute nonsense.
A "fact" [that] "...nearly 100% of all scholars today studying this subject accept. This includes Christians, Jews, agnostics and atheists."??
Surely you are joking.
Same thing with #3.
Good grief. Please give the exact quote from Erhman's book where he states he believes these are "facts"...
If you replace the Crucifix with a TV screen, your church may have a problem.
Depends on the size of the TV!
I think anyone who would replace an ancient torture device with a TV is much better off.
There are atheists that put more value and honor into their monogamous relationships, and some of them aren't even married!
Reblogged this on Solus Christus.
A lot of people on here saying "hypocrite," which is rather stupid really. The truth is we are ALL human and so we are ALL hypocrites. We all make mistakes. It sounds like this guy actually faced up to his failing.
juanalbion,
Speaking of stupid, this guy's job was telling people that God was watching them and to obey the Bible. He was a major HYPOCRITE.
No, he was simply human. All Christians will tell you they aren't perfect and make mistakes all the time.
Yep all the time. And their main mistake is thinking that their god exists and cares about their every move. And he's loving but will let them be tortured forever if they don't fly his way. That's just STUPID. Christianity is STUPID.
Sue, what is stupid is showing your ignorance of something by making comments that display that ignorance for all to see.
juanalbion
"All Christians will tell you they aren't perfect and make mistakes all the time."
Yep. And then a LOT of them will be HYPOCRITES and ignore their fellow Christian ADULTERERS to pick on gays. It's all pick-and-choose for many.
The hypocrite minister did that.
Speaking for yourself you are juan. Cool of you to own up to your own ignorance though. That's really big of you, for such a small man.
@juanalbion
You said, "what is stupid is showing your ignorance of something by making comments that display that ignorance for all to see."
Ignorance of what?
It seems Sue got it figured out. Believing in a god for which there is not a single shred of evidence that it actually exists is pretty stupid. It's no different from believing in the Tooth Fairy.
So why do people bother with church if we're all human and make mistakes anyway? Praying is a waste of time.
Can't argue with that !
If nothing else, praying shows the state of your heart.
Prayer takes people away from actually working on real solutions to their problems.
Prayer has been shown to have no discernible effect towards what was prayed for.
Prayer makes you frothy like Rick Santorum. Just go to http://santorum.com to find out more.
Prayer prevents you from getting badly needed exercise.
Prayer makes you fat, pale, weak, and sedentary.
Prayer wears out your clothes prematurely.
Prayer contributes to global warming through excess CO2 emissions.
Prayer fucks up your knees and your neck and your back.
Prayer can cause heart attacks, especially among the elderly.
Prayer reveals how stupid you are to the world.
Prayer exposes your backside to pervert priests.
Prayer makes you think doilies are exciting.
Prayer makes you secretively flatulent and embarrassed about it.
Prayer makes your kids avoid spending time with you.
Prayer gives you knobbly knees.
Prayer dulls your senses.
Prayer makes you post really stupid shit.
Prayer makes you hoard cats.
Prayer makes you smell like shitty kitty litter and leads you on to harder drugs.
Prayer wastes time.
What does praying have to do with this? We go to church, in part, to confess our mistakes.
People pray for things to happen. That's why it matters.
Sure they do, but do you actually think it is that simple????
The difference is, I don't tell other people how they should live/think, and I don't solicit money from them. I am not a hypocrite.
Actually you really did just tell people how to live – you certainly are a hypocrite. We all are.
Juan: win.
How?
Because of the irony; clergy claim the high moral ground, all the while fouuking around. It's actually beautified in its perfect irony and hipocracy .
Don't be silly. Most clergy don't claim the higher ground, that's a misconception. Most clergy will tell you they are as human as anyone else. You might want to read the writings of Paul, for example. "Why do I do the things I don't want to do..."
If you tell people how they should behave and you do the opposite behind closed doors you are a hypocrit...if you do it for money it makes it worse. If he was a regular Joe and had an affair this would be a non-story.
I guess you didn't actually read (or perhaps understand) what I put. Yes he's a hypocrite, but we all are. It IS a non-story for those of us who understand.
"Do as I say, not as I do.
And don't forget!- send a check or two."
As often as not, preachers are preaching to themselves as much as anyone else. And if you don't want to make a donation then don't – simple. It is also a misconception that the amount most clergy are paid depends on how many people send in checks. Most are paid a flat salary like any other job. That may not be true of mega-churches, but do you actually know?
If a church wants a better pastor,
It only needs to pray for the one it has.
If only it was that simple. The pastor has to do his/her part as well.
The first one of you without sin in your own life cast the first stone!
Jesusislord,
Tell that to all the Christian HYPOCRITES who pick on gays. You'll be doing this country a big favor.
Jesus never said that by the way. Although it is not about us forgiving this man but about him and his family forgiving him. Not to mention the women that he had affairs with.
John 8:6 "“Let any one of you who is without sin be the first to throw a stone at her.” NIV
Well, the problem is that the story of the woman taken in adultery was not in the Gospel According to John. It was added in the Middle Ages. This is largely accepted by biblical scholars.
You're correct, although it was actually added earlier. The Tischendorf is made up of the Vaticanus, Alexandrius, and Sinaiticus versions of the NT...basically, each version is from a different source, but they were put together in one publication for comparison. The story of the women in adultery was only in the Alexandrius (still very early...3rd cent). The lack of it and even Jn 7:53 suggests it was either apocryphal or unavailable to the writers of V and S versions. As an aside, these, the DSD, and other scrolls hold up to KJV.
Did you want to spell your name that way. I think you're missing a S.
You may not know that, story was not in the original cannon. ,it was added later by scribes. It was so popular that the leadership decided to leave pit in.
@jesueislord
You said, "The first one of you without sin in your own life cast the first stone!"
I am without sin, but don't really feel like casting stones. Can I pass on the privilege?
Consider yourself struck in the head with a large stone thrown by me or go into detail what "sin" is.
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The senior pastor of Calvary Chapel Fort Lauderdale has resigned after confessing to cheating on his wife..........
LOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOL.....THEY'RE A BUNCH OF SCAMMERS SCR*WING OVER THE FLOCK......LOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOOLOLOLOLOLOLOL holy rollers sure on the way to heaven.....so how much did you pay him to spend money cheating on his wife...HUH?...LOLOLOLOLOLOLO
Opportunity may knock once,
But temptation bangs on the front door forever.
A "moral failing which disqualifies him from continuing his leadership role at the church".
No. Getting CAUGHT in the middle of his "moral failing" disqualified him from continuing his leadership role at the church.
Five bucks says his wife made him confess and step down.
To my Christian friends proclaiming the power of prayer, even though it usually fails:
Image I built a golden calf. I put it on an altar and I assured everybody that if you prayed to it, it would answer your prayers. Now think about what would happen when people prayed to it. Most times what they asked for would not transpire. Every now and then, through sheer luck, it would.
Now, if people doubted that my golden calf answered prayers, how would I respond? I bet I would say things like:
1. The golden calf always answers prayers, it’s just that sometimes the answer is “no” or “not yet.”
2. The golden calf moves in mysterious ways.
3. The golden calf knows what is best for you. You should take into account the bigger picture.
4. You should not question the golden calf.
5. The golden calf gives us free will and how we exercise that free will is up to us.
6. The Golden Calf is not just something where you can just pull a lever and he jumps through hoops for you.
Now think about the excuses Christians give when God does not “answer prayers.” See any difference? Of course you don’t, because there isn’t any.
Prayers of all faiths are universally useless. There is no Hindu, Christian, Muslim, Native American or other god there reading your minds when you pray, intervening in human affairs to answer them.
Exactly. That is how psychics and horoscopes work. They throw out a bunch of things and one actually comes to be correct through sheer odds and of course that will be the thing people focus and disregard all the wrongs.
Except Odin. He's real. Like, really real. Y'know......real.
even though it usually fails:.....
WHAT????????????????????
Prayers always fail unless you pray for a sure thing....like the sun rising every morning...lolololololololololololololol
I feel your broken heart.
I hope you're right, otherwise you'll have a loooooooong time to think about where you missed it.
Odd that a being powerful enough to create the entire Universe and its billions of galaxies would be so offended by my reasonable, rational and honest disbelief that he wants to burn me for all eternity, isn't it? After all, it is he who elected to withhold all evidence of his existence in the first place.
If anyone reading this would care to believe it, I head a religious organization and I just sent a pamphlett to his church, addressed to Rev. Coy, on April 4 warning against the evils of lust. Go figure!
I don't care to believe it but I am sure someone will.
I wish you'd warned him about the perils of suicide.
Evils of lust?????....lust is not evil....getting caught is!
This HYPOCRITE was against gay marriage because he believes in the "sanct-ity" of marriage. Keep the HYPOCRISY alive.
great point and one i hadn't seen brought up.
Unless you have been through it you really don't know. You can throw around words like hypocrite but people don't always think before the act. They make mistakes. I don't care for this man's views, but I will stop short of expecting him to be morally superior than everyone else (even if I were a member of his sheep).
Servant To The Slave,
Obviously, this HYPOCRITE doesn't believe that God is watching him.
I say always look closely at those point fingers away from themselves...they are usually trying to deflect curious eyes.
Obs
I recall, recently, you mentioning something to the effect of how much you " hate lying". You went on to indicate how it disturbs you when others engage in it. Just wondering if it's possible that you may have told a lie at some point in your life, and if so, what would that make you?
ddeevviinn,
I've said things that turned out to be lies, but not intentionally.
observer,
You have made and you are going to make mistakes in your life. Maybe not as heinous as this guy's, but you are still going to hurt people you love and cause harm to the world. That's not a dig at you, we are all in that same boat.
This guy made a very big mistake and he has to pay for it. God hates sin, but He lets his children sin because He chooses not to infringe on our freewill. He will however allow the consequences of sin to be felt by those who want to indulge.
From the sound of it, this pastor is probably feeling pretty bad right about now. His life is pretty much ruined by this sin. Instead of rubbing his sin in his face however, we should recognize the price of sin and do our best to stay on the path that God intended.
guidedans,
I love how gently he is being treated by Christians.
Let's summarize things. This HYPOCRITE spend years telling people that God is always watching them. He told them about terrible sins like adultery. He put gays down for ruining the "sanct-ity of marriage". He collected tons of money conning people into thinking he actually was HONEST and thought God was really watching him. Obviously, he didn't believe a word of that.
"Just a mistake". Right. lol. Keep defending more HYPOCRISY by Christians.
observer, I am not defending this guy at all. He did a terrible thing and he will have to pay for that.
The real thing to note here is that the price that he should pay for this sin is death, but he will not receive death because I believe that he is forgiven from his sin in this life.
Now, clearly, his behavior demonstrates a weakness in him that is not a good representation of Christianity, but that does not mean he is not a Christian at heart. God will get to judge these things, not us.
If this guy is a Christian, then regardless of what he does, Jesus died so that he wouldn't have to. We all have sinned and the price for sin is death. We have the option however to allow Jesus's death to absolve us of that punishment.
Sin is never good, but we have all sinned. We shouldn't look at this guy as especially bad, just like we should not looks at hom.ose.xuals as especially bad.
" He did a terrible thing and he will have to pay for that. "
And he will still be welcomed back with open arms. Are you a repeat adulterer ? No problem, come on in, and don't forget to make a donation ! Wife beater ? No problem. Multiple divorced ? No problem, come on in, and remember, when we oppose gay marriage we are defending the sanct.ity of marriage – all as illustrated above.
Unfortunately, this high paid hypocrite will be back. He'll do the usual circuit of confession, remorse, rehabilitation, and before long he'll be out there preaching again, railing against the sinners, and have the added advantage of saying that he knows what it's like to be down, and exhorting them to follow his example of endurance and rehabilitation.
Well denverdriver...you forgot....and sent lots of $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$.... the church loves you........sucke*s.
I might be alone in saying this, but like a cheating politician or card player or car thief or hacker, once they "repent" (in whatever way you wish to take that), those are the exact sort of people who can do the most good. And certainly more productive than leaving comments on websites, which after 26 years of public internet, have still never been known to change any person's mind yet.
calmdownabit,
Your support for this HYPOCRITE is a riot.
This guy has been LYING for years about believing that God was looking down on him all the time and now you really think he will START believing that God is actually watching him.
lol. Get serious. Save the EXCUSES for someone more worthy.
Everyone screws up big at some point. If it hasn't happened to you yet, it will. Look in the mirror and see if you like the person you see.
but not everyone is a professional swindler.
Oh I agree booty, I am just saying, based on many of the comments, that everyone dragging him through the mud should look in the mirror. Life can really through you a curve ball sometimes. We know virtually nothing about what really happened or his relationship with his wife. That being said, yeah he is a scum bag for fleecing his flock.
You got that right!
You're right, most people do make mistakes. But ... most don't make them over and over again. This wasn't a one-time thing apparently with this guy.
And I think there is a lot more to this story that is not being told.