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May 1st, 2014
09:15 AM ET

Why Christians should support the death penalty

Opinion by R. Albert Mohler Jr., Special to CNN

(CNN) - The death penalty has been part of human society for millennia, understood to be the ultimate punishment for the most serious crimes.

But, should Christians support the death penalty now, especially in light of the controversial execution Tuesday in Oklahoma?

This is not an easy yes or no question.

On the one hand, the Bible clearly calls for capital punishment in the case of intentional murder.

In Genesis 9:6, God told Noah that the penalty for intentional murder should be death: “Whoever sheds the blood of man, by man shall his blood be shed, for God made man in his own image.”

The death penalty was explicitly grounded in the fact that God made every individual human being in his own image, and thus an act of intentional murder is an assault upon human dignity and the very image of God.

In the simplest form, the Bible condemns murder and calls for the death of the murderer. The one who intentionally takes life by murder forfeits the right to his own life.

In the New Testament, the Apostle Paul instructs Christians that the government “does not bear the sword in vain.” Indeed, in this case the magistrate “is the servant of God, an avenger who carries out God’s wrath on the evildoer.” [Romans 13:4]

On the other hand, the Bible raises a very high requirement for evidence in a case of capital murder.

The act of murder must be confirmed and corroborated by the eyewitness testimony of accusers, and the society is to take every reasonable precaution to ensure that no one is punished unjustly.

While the death penalty is allowed and even mandated in some cases, the Bible also reveals that not all who are guilty of murder and complicity in murder are executed.

Just remember the biblical accounts concerning Moses, David and Saul, later known as Paul.

Christian thinking about the death penalty must begin with the fact that the Bible envisions a society in which capital punishment for murder is sometimes necessary, but should be exceedingly rare.

The Bible also affirms that the death penalty, rightly and justly applied, will have a powerful deterrent effect.

In a world of violence, the death penalty is understood as a necessary firewall against the spread of further deadly violence.

Seen in this light, the problem we face today is not with the death penalty, but with society at large.

American society is quickly conforming to a secular worldview, and the clear sense of right and wrong that was Christianity’s gift to Western civilization is being replaced with a much more ambiguous morality.

We have lost the cultural ability to declare murder – even mass murder – to be deserving of the death penalty.

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We have also robbed the death penalty of its deterrent power by allowing death penalty cases to languish for years in the legal system, often based on irrational and irrelevant appeals.

While most Americans claim to believe that the death penalty should be supported, there is a wide disparity in how Americans of different states and regions think about the issue.

Furthermore, Christians should be outraged at the economic and racial injustice in how the death penalty is applied. While the law itself is not prejudiced, the application of the death penalty often is.

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There is very little chance that a wealthy white murderer will ever be executed. There is a far greater likelihood that a poor African-American murderer will face execution.

Why? Because the rich can afford massively expensive legal defense teams that can exhaust the ability of the prosecution to get a death penalty sentence.

This is an outrage, and no Christian can support such a disparity. As the Bible warns, the rich must not be able to buy justice on their own terms.

There is also the larger cultural context. We must recognize that our cultural loss of confidence in human dignity and the secularizing of human identity has made murder a less heinous crime in the minds of many Americans.

Most would not admit this lower moral evaluation of murder, but our legal system is evidence that this is certainly true.

We also face a frontal assault upon the death penalty that is driven by legal activists and others determined to bring legal execution to an end in America.

Controversy over an execution this week in Oklahoma will bring even more attention to this cause, but most Americans will be completely unaware that this tragedy was caused by the inability of prison authorities to gain access to drugs for lethal injection that would have prevented those complications.

Opponents of the death penalty have, by their legal and political action, accomplished what might seem at first to be impossible – they now demand action to correct a situation that they largely created.

Their intention is to make the death penalty so horrifying in the public mind that support for executions would disappear. They have attacked every form of execution as “cruel and unusual punishment,” even though the Constitution itself authorizes the death penalty.

It is a testament to moral insanity that they have successfully diverted attention from a murderer’s heinous crimes and instead put the death penalty on trial.

Should Christians support the death penalty today?

I believe that Christians should hope, pray and strive for a society in which the death penalty, rightly and rarely applied, would make moral sense.

This would be a society in which there is every protection for the rights of the accused, and every assurance that the social status of the murderer will not determine the sentence for the crime.

Christians should work to ensure that there can be no reasonable doubt that the accused is indeed guilty of the crime. We must pray for a society in which the motive behind capital punishment is justice, and not merely revenge.

We must work for a society that will honor every single human being at every point of development and of every race and ethnicity as made in God’s image.

We must hope for a society that will support and demand the execution of justice in order to protect the very existence of that society. We must pray for a society that rightly tempers justice with mercy.

Should Christians support the death penalty today? I believe that we must, but with the considerations detailed above.

At the same time, given the secularization of our culture and the moral confusion that this has brought, this issue is not so clear-cut as some might think.

I do believe that the death penalty, though supported by the majority of Americans, may not long survive in this cultural context.

Death penalty in the United States gradually declining

It is one thing to support the death penalty. It is another thing altogether to explain it, fix it, administer it and sustain it with justice.

We are about to find out if Americans have the determination to meet that challenge. Christians should take leadership to help our fellow citizens understand what is at stake.

God affirmed the death penalty for murder as he made his affirmation of human dignity clear to Noah. Our job is to make it clear to our neighbors.

R. Albert Mohler Jr. is president of  The Southern Baptist Theological Seminary. The views expressed in this column belong to Mohler.

- CNN Belief Blog

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  1. MidwestKen

    Why should Christians support the death penalty when eternal torture in the fires of hell is so much better?

    May 2, 2014 at 7:48 pm |
    • Vic

      This is not about revenge, this is about the "punishment fits the crime;" it is about naturally revealed "justice," hence the Law of the Land.

      God's "Natural Law" is revealed in our hearts, we know it before we even speak it out loud. We know "justice" in our hearts.

      God forgives the believer and forgets all of his/her sins, and in this lifetime, "Natural Law" takes its normal course, of which is "justice" concerning human-to-human affairs.

      May 2, 2014 at 8:19 pm |
      • MidwestKen

        Wait are you saying that you don't "feel" justice is eternal torture in the fires of hell?

        May 2, 2014 at 8:28 pm |
      • sam stone

        "God's "Natural Law" is revealed in our hearts, we know it before we even speak it out loud. We know "justice" in our hearts"

        You know, Vic, saying it again (and again, and again) doesn't make it any less absurd

        May 2, 2014 at 10:47 pm |
      • igaftr

        Vic
        You imagine a great deal of what your god wants. Too bad it is only in your imaginination. In reality, you do not knpw if there are any gods, or what they want. All you have is men TELLING you what to believe, men TELLING you about the god they want you to beleive in.

        May 3, 2014 at 9:00 am |
  2. Doris

    As Deist Christians, the first five presidents including John Adams, James Madison & Thomas Jefferson were likely to have quite a different notion of God than the Christian God of today. Deist Christians may have followed Christ's teachings, but usually refuted the divinity of Christ. It is important to note that Deists generally did not believe in a personal Creator; that such a god played an active role in people's lives. They were always ready to call out on the dark side of organized religion:

    "I almost shudder at the thought of alluding to the most fatal example of the abuses of grief which the history of mankind has preserved – the Cross. Consider what calamities that engine of grief has produced! With the rational respect that is due to it, knavish priests have added prostitutions of it, that fill or might fill the blackest and bloodiest pages of human history. "

    (John Adams, in a letter to Thomas Jefferson, 09/03/1816)

    "Millions of innocent men, women, and children, since the introduction of Christianity, have been burnt, tortured, fined, imprisoned; yet we have not advanced one inch towards uniformity. What has been the effect of coercion? To make one half the world fools, and the other half hypocrites. To support roguery and error all over the earth. "

    (Thomas Jefferson, from Notes on the State of Virginia, 1785)

    Obviously Deism played an important part in the lives of the key framers who wrote the Constitution and its initial set of Amendments that we live by in the U.S.

    "During almost fifteen centuries has the legal establishment of Christianity been on trial. What has been its fruits? More or less in all places, pride and indolence in the clergy; ignorance and servility in the laity; in both, superstition, bigotry, and persecution."

    (James Madison, chief architect of the U.S. Constitution & eleven of the Amendments including the Bill of Rights – from A Memorial and Remonstrance as delivered to the Virginia General Assembly in 1785.)

    John Tyler, the 10th POTUS was a Deist Christian.

    Many believe Abraham Lincoln was a Deist.

    John Remsburg, in his book Six Historic Americans (1906), cites several of Lincoln's close associates:

    'After his assassination Mrs. Lincoln said: "Mr. Lincoln had no hope and no faith in the usual acceptance of these words." His lifelong friend and executor, Judge David Davis, affirmed the same: "He had no faith in the Christian sense of the term." His biographer, Colonel Lamon, intimately acquainted with him in Illinois, and with him during all the years that he lived in Washington, says: "Never in all that time did he let fall from his lips or his pen an expression which remotely implied the slightest faith in Jesus as the son of God and the Savior of men."'

    The Deistic side of John Adams comes out strong in these paragraphs A Defence of the Constitutions of Government of the United States of America (1787-1788)

    "The United States of America have exhibited, perhaps, the first example of governments erected on the simple principles of nature; and if men are now sufficiently enlightened to disabuse themselves of artifice, imposture, hypocrisy, and superstition, they will consider this event as an era in their history. It will never be pretended that any persons employed in that service had interviews with the gods, or were in any degree under the influence of Heaven, more than those at work upon ships or houses, or laboring in merchandise or agriculture; it will forever be acknowledged that these governments were contrived merely by the use of reason and the senses.

    Thirteen governments [of the original states] thus founded on the natural authority of the people alone, without a pretence of miracle or mystery, and which are destined to spread over the northern part of that whole quarter of the globe, are a great point gained in favor of the rights of mankind."

    William Howard Taft, the only U.S. President to also hold the office of Chief Justice of the U.S. Supreme Court:

    "I do not believe in the divinity of Christ, and there are many other of the postulates of the orthodox creed to which I cannot subscribe."

    May 2, 2014 at 6:39 pm |
    • believerfred

      Doris
      "In 1796, Adams denounced political opponent Thomas Paine's Deistic criticisms of Christianity in The Age of Reason, saying, "The Christian religion is, above all the religions that ever prevailed or existed in ancient or modern times, the religion of wisdom, virtue, equity and humanity, let the Blackguard Paine say what he will."

      I do not think you could conclude he was a deist

      May 2, 2014 at 8:25 pm |
      • Doris

        There was much on the cusp, fred, when it came to different key figures and their beliefs. You could say the same perhaps for Franklin. It is important to note the dates, but more so I think it is important to note the difference between when one of these politicians is speaking in public about another versus writing an opinion versus their expression in law. I think that Adams, like Madison and Jefferson, was obviously heavily influenced by Deism – more so as their careers progressed. As politicians, they couldn't very well throw their more fundamental const.ituency overboard, so I think you'll find their more public statements more reflective of that of their supporters.

        Madison actually felt near the end of his life that the implementation of separation of church and state was not strict enough. He wrote that chaplains for congress should not be on the public bill.

        May 2, 2014 at 8:47 pm |
        • Dalahäst

          "The Hebrews have done more to civilize men than any other nation. If I were an atheist, and believed blind eternal fate, I should still believe that fate had ordained the Jews to be the most essential instrument for civilizing the nations."
          John Adams

          May 2, 2014 at 9:49 pm |
        • believerfred

          Doris
          Although not biblical one of my thoughts would be eternity may just give me enough time to see what was really going on with some of these great leaders. I know Solomon said the world is full of endless books but you will not find the answer there, yet it would sure be great to have an endless period of time to read them all. Perhaps hell is having an eternity to read all those books then realizing your reading glasses were left behind on the night stand.

          May 3, 2014 at 12:19 am |
        • midwest rail

          " Perhaps hell is having an eternity to read all those books then realizing your reading glasses were left behind on the night stand."
          That was a good episode of Twilight Zone.

          May 3, 2014 at 12:38 am |
        • believerfred

          midwest rail
          My favorite was the kid who fell through a time dimension hole in her bedroom. Hearing he dog barking she followed the sound. She got out just before the wall closed up.

          May 3, 2014 at 12:54 am |
  3. justpro86

    I now make it my earnest prayer that God would… most graciously be pleased to dispose us all to do justice, to love mercy, and to demean ourselves with that charity, humility, and pacific temper of the mind which were the characteristics of the Divine Author of our blessed religion.124
    George Washington 1st US President

    May 2, 2014 at 6:31 pm |
    • In Santa We Trust

      Did you mistake that for evidence of a god?

      May 2, 2014 at 6:33 pm |
      • justpro86

        No Christian religion is what made this Country a reality

        May 2, 2014 at 6:39 pm |
        • Doris

          Nonsense. Infighting amongst fundamentalist Christians almost made the U.S. a non-reality. It was the Deists that had to get people to try to move past their stupid ideological differences; to unite and show England that we could work and trade as one. You have to remember that Jefferson, Madison, etc. witnessed religious persecution going on right in their home states. Without the push toward a secular government it's likely there never would have been the kind of unification that kept the Brits at bay when they saw disarray here.

          May 2, 2014 at 6:51 pm |
        • In Santa We Trust

          That's not true.

          May 2, 2014 at 6:51 pm |
        • I'm not a GOPer, nor do I play one on TV

          Did you know that Christians killed each other over their definitions of Christianity in the Colonial period?

          Look up Battle of the Severn.

          The reason the separation of state was so important is that is solved the problem that the colonies had – they couldn't agree on what the "right" religion should be for the new country. So they picked the best answer – none of the above.

          We have a government "of the people" not "by the grace of God almighty".

          May 2, 2014 at 7:46 pm |
        • neverbeenhappieratheist

          I check in in the morning before work, sometimes at lunch if I can and when I get home from work 2 or 3 nights a week. I'll read a few comments and make a few. But of late it seems Justpro is about every other post and his post times range all day long.

          Do you do anything constructive or have you decided to try and earn your way into heaven by battling the invisible beasts on the internet trying to convert them? And when you whine about atheists on the blog as if they don't have any beliefs to share, who do you think Christ would have been wanting to speak with? Did he go to the temple every day to preach? No, he went to the wh0res and tax collectors and the faithless with his message. You act as if you wish you never had to communicate with the outside world from your insular little christian compound. Many other devout Christians can chat with we non-believers and have constructive conversations without attacking each other personally. You'll likely find your comments only get trashed on when you make trollish comments that beg for a stomping because they are so full of feces.

          If you are just a giggling troll then all I can say is "Well played..."

          May 2, 2014 at 8:34 pm |
        • Akira

          I am on a double shift today, so I'm on a lot. What I've observed is that when finisher leaves, justpro arrives, and they both share the same illogical use of logic.
          If they're not the same person, they're closely related.

          May 2, 2014 at 8:39 pm |
        • Doris

          I was going to say earlier that justpro seemed to be:

          2 parts John Talbert (or Tolbert or something like that – this guy who said he was a civil engineer and just spewed all the time on evolution), and

          2 part thefinisher1

          May 2, 2014 at 8:51 pm |
        • Doris

          parts, not part; lol – and it only needs to be one part of each – I was thinking of throwing in a dash of someone older-sounding.

          May 2, 2014 at 8:53 pm |
    • jbhollen

      "As the Government of the United States of America is not, in any sense, founded on the Christian religion...

      Excerpt from the Treaty of Tripoli, George Washington, 1st U.S. President

      May 5, 2014 at 10:15 pm |
      • justpro86

        That was make believe BS

        May 6, 2014 at 10:23 pm |
  4. justpro86

    Thomas Jefferson

    SIGNER OF THE DECLARATION OF INDEPENDENCE; DIPLOMAT; GOVERNOR OF VIRGINIA; SECRETARY OF STATE; THIRD PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES
    The doctrines of Jesus are simple, and tend all to the happiness of man.63

    The practice of morality being necessary for the well being of society, He [God] has taken care to impress its precepts so indelibly on our hearts that they shall not be effaced by the subtleties of our brain. We all agree in the obligation of the moral principles of Jesus and nowhere will they be found delivered in greater purity than in His discourses.64

    I am a Christian in the only sense in which He wished anyone to be: sincerely attached to His doctrines in preference to all others.65

    I am a real Christian – that is to say, a disciple of the doctrines of Jesus Christ.66

    May 2, 2014 at 6:26 pm |
    • Blessed are the Cheesemakers

      You mean the same Thomas Jefferson who re-wrote the bible to exclude all the supernatural BS and spoke about how the Christian theology of the "Trinity" is absurd garbage?

      May 2, 2014 at 6:29 pm |
      • justpro86

        All that is hogwash

        May 2, 2014 at 6:32 pm |
        • Blessed are the Cheesemakers

          The whole history of these books [the Gospels] is so defective and doubtful that it seems vain to attempt minute enquiry into it: and such tricks have been played with their text, and with the texts of other books relating to them, that we have a right, from that cause, to entertain much doubt what parts of them are genuine. In the New Testament there is internal evidence that parts of it have proceeded from an extraordinary man; and that other parts are of the fabric of very inferior minds. It is as easy to separate those parts, as to pick out diamonds from dunghills.
          -Thomas Jefferson, letter to John Adams, January 24, 1814

          Christianity neither is, nor ever was a part of the common law.
          -Thomas Jefferson, letter to Dr. Thomas Cooper, February 10, 1814

          Ridicule is the only weapon which can be used against unintelligible propositions. Ideas must be distinct before reason can act upon them; and no man ever had a distinct idea of the trinity. It is the mere Abracadabra of the mountebanks calling themselves the priests of Jesus."

          -Thomas Jefferson, letter to Francis Adrian Van der Kemp, 30 July, 1816

          May 2, 2014 at 6:45 pm |
        • MidwestKen

          @justpro86,
          What is hogwash?

          "Jefferson produced the 84-page volume in 1820—six years before he died at age 83—bound it in red leather and ti[]tled it The Life and Morals of Jesus of Nazareth. He had pored over six copies of the New Testament, in Greek, Latin, French and King James English."

          "The second of the two biblical texts he produced is on display through May 28 at the Albert H. Small Doc[]uments Gallery of the Smithsonian National Museum of American History (NMAH) after a year of extensive repair and conservation. "

          Read more: http://www.smithsonianmag.com/arts-culture/how-thomas-jefferson-created-his-own-bible-5659505/#HAGhP5bskcx7BkVp.99
          Give the gift of Smithsonian magazine for only $12! http://bit.ly/1cGUiGv
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          May 2, 2014 at 7:20 pm |
        • neverbeenhappieratheist

          Hey, lets not go ruining all of Justpros preconceived notions with all these facts and shlt.

          May 2, 2014 at 8:19 pm |
        • Keith

          You should get your history lessons somewhere other than from your fundamentalist preacher.

          May 4, 2014 at 9:32 am |
        • justpro86

          LOL I practically got my lessons correct... This nation was founded on the Christian world view

          May 4, 2014 at 4:58 pm |
        • Keith

          Not at all, many were deist. That is not Christian at all.

          May 4, 2014 at 10:48 pm |
      • Keith

        justpro doesn't understand what he read because it was taken out of context.

        May 4, 2014 at 9:26 am |
      • Keith

        When Jefferson wrote to Adams he was writing to someone who agreed with much of what he believed. John Adams founded the Deist movement at Harvard, and in one of her letters to John in France, Abigail said "John, I know you wanted the children and I to attend the Congregationalist Church in your absence, but the "Three in One God" makes no more sense now than it did to us long ago.

        May 4, 2014 at 9:31 am |
    • Vic

      ♰♰♰ Jesus Christ Is Lord ♰♰♰

      God Bless The USA

      May 2, 2014 at 6:37 pm |
      • justpro86

        AMEN

        May 2, 2014 at 6:39 pm |
      • sam stone

        Jesus Christ is mythology

        May 2, 2014 at 8:04 pm |
    • I'm not a GOPer, nor do I play one on TV

      @justpro86,

      please put the books by David Barton back on the bookshelf and walk away. They are dangerously misinforming.

      The letter to Benjamin Rush, from which your quote is from, was written in 1803 while Jefferson was President.

      During the election cycle of 1800, Jefferson had to defend accusations by political opponents that he was an atheist. (Actually the word used was "infidel".) As a politician, he spent a lot of time in the campaign and during next couple of years as President essentially denying that he was an atheist.

      Unlike Jefferson, Benjamin Rush was an example of a very religious founding father. Jefferson wrote to him to share a essay he wrote called "Syllabus of an Estimate of the Merit of the Doctrines of Jesus". You have to weigh just how much this was politically motivated before assuming this is the 'truth' of Jefferson's 'heart'.

      Your quote is stripped out of all context and given the situation at the time, it cannot be measured at face value.

      May 2, 2014 at 7:36 pm |
    • igaftr

      justp
      proven liar and theif, stole this particular post from
      http://thestoryoflibertyblog.com

      May 4, 2014 at 9:42 am |
      • justpro86

        LOL moron who cares I posted facts

        May 4, 2014 at 4:57 pm |
    • jbhollen

      But it does me no injury for my neighbor to say there are twenty gods or no God. It neither picks my pocket nor breaks my leg.

      -Thomas Jefferson, Notes on Virginia, 1782

      May 5, 2014 at 10:18 pm |
      • justpro86

        More made up crap by secularists

        May 6, 2014 at 10:24 pm |
        • jbhollen

          The quote I provided was included in a book that Jefferson wrote called "Notes on the State of Virginia". It was published in 1785. That kind of makes it fact on record.

          Here is another gem:

          Question with boldness even the existence of a god; because if there be one he must approve of the homage of reason more than that of blindfolded fear.
          -Thomas Jefferson, letter to Peter Carr, August 10, 1787

          May 7, 2014 at 5:40 pm |
        • justpro86

          Pretty much Jefferson did believe in a super being but he did follow the teachings of Jesus. Jefferson was pretty much in a sect with himself.. So no matter what he followed the teachings of Jesus even though his beliefs were not direct with the Christian world view they were still pretty aligned together... Jefferson Did claim to be a TRUE CHRISTIAN however after cutting and pasting Jesus' doctrines from the bible onto a blank paper in order that they were taugh..

          May 9, 2014 at 9:53 pm |
      • justpro86

        Thomas Jefferson said he was a true Christian by stating that makes Jefferson a hypocrite and his words lose credibility

        May 6, 2014 at 10:24 pm |
        • jbhollen

          Jefferson was a deist at best and he was openly hostile toward christianity. He actually took his bible and cut out all references to miracles and the impossible. He would love you.

          May 7, 2014 at 5:31 pm |
        • justpro86

          No he was not he even said he was a Christian... So are you saying Jefferson was a sham and a two face?

          May 9, 2014 at 9:42 pm |
  5. justpro86

    Congress, 1854
    The great, vital, and conservative element in our system is the belief of our people in the pure doctrines and the divine truths of the Gospel of Jesus Christ

    May 2, 2014 at 6:11 pm |
    • Akira

      Where is that in our Constitution again?

      May 2, 2014 at 6:19 pm |
    • Blessed are the Cheesemakers

      "Congress, 1854"

      Wow...that tells me nothing. You are just like the multi.tudes of other Christians who are willing to spin and misrepresent information in an effort to spread your manure...I am not impressed.

      May 2, 2014 at 6:27 pm |
      • justpro86

        Not spin just direct quotes... Sorry to disapoint there was a time when Christianity was the foundation the Founders built this nation upon

        May 2, 2014 at 6:33 pm |
        • In Santa We Trust

          Do you mean that in that year the whole of Congress produced those lines?

          May 2, 2014 at 6:36 pm |
        • justpro86

          yes

          May 2, 2014 at 6:39 pm |
        • In Santa We Trust

          You're misinformed – as you are on many topics.

          May 2, 2014 at 6:42 pm |
        • Doris

          Something tells me this is the wako who once argued with me that the Mayflower Compact was more important to us today than the Const.itution.

          May 2, 2014 at 6:56 pm |
    • MidwestKen

      @justpro86,
      The citation given on the Wallbuilder's site (http://www.wallbuilders.com/libissuesarticles.asp?id=8755#FN24) for that quotation is "ournal of the House of the Representatives of the United States of America (Washington, DC: Cornelius Wendell, 1855), 34th Cong., 1st Sess., p. 354, "

      Which basically means that it was a statement made by a representative in the House during a session of Congress, NOT that it was agreed to by all of the House, let alone all of Congress. Your quote is misleading, cherry-picking, and disingenuous.

      May 2, 2014 at 7:39 pm |
  6. justpro86

    My hopes of a future life are all founded upon the Gospel of Christ and I cannot cavil or quibble away [evade or object to]. . . . the whole tenor of His conduct by which He sometimes positively asserted and at others countenances [permits] His disciples in asserting that He was God.6

    The hope of a Christian is inseparable from his faith. Whoever believes in the Divine inspiration of the Holy Scriptures must hope that the religion of Jesus shall prevail throughout the earth. Never since the foundation of the world have the prospects of mankind been more encouraging to that hope than they appear to be at the present time. And may the associated distribution of the Bible proceed and prosper till the Lord shall have made “bare His holy arm in the eyes of all the nations, and all the ends of the earth shall see the salvation of our God” [Isaiah 52:10]

    May 2, 2014 at 6:09 pm |
    • Akira

      Where is that in our Bill of Rights?

      May 2, 2014 at 6:21 pm |
      • justpro86

        There are 5 references of God in the Declaration of Independence

        May 2, 2014 at 6:36 pm |
        • Blessed are the Cheesemakers

          So? The Declaration of Independence did not found our laws. And the references are not to a Christian god.

          May 2, 2014 at 7:04 pm |
    • jbhollen

      If you are going to keep plagiarizing other peoples words and not giving reference would you please remove the foot note references from the stolen text. I am getting embarrassed for you.

      the was copied from http://www.wallbuilders.com/libissuesarticles.asp?id=8755

      May 5, 2014 at 10:28 pm |
      • justpro86

        I don't need to state where I got the quotes from moron... I did not plagiarize nothing... The words I posted I posted the one who made the quote... So I am in the total right

        May 6, 2014 at 10:26 pm |
        • jbhollen

          I have never seen you credit an author. What I have seen is repeated plagiarism and when called on it, your flat denial that you copied anything insinuating it was your own work.

          It is all in the written record.

          May 7, 2014 at 5:23 pm |
        • justpro86

          whatever all I post on are facts DEAL WITH IT

          May 9, 2014 at 9:43 pm |
  7. justpro86

    "The Christian religion is, above all the religions that ever prevailed or existed in ancient or modern times, the religion of wisdom, virtue, equity and humanity" Samuel Adams

    Thank Sam Adams finally someone with some intelligence around here

    May 2, 2014 at 6:07 pm |
    • Akira

      That was John Adams, you moron.
      He also had a dog named Satan.
      So what?

      May 2, 2014 at 6:11 pm |
      • justpro86

        One of the founders of this great nation who also like Sam Adams believed in God... And built this nation under the Christian laws and the Laws of Nature Gods laws

        May 2, 2014 at 6:37 pm |
        • Akira

          Except you attributed a John Adams quote to Sam. I'm aware of who Sam Adams. How about actually quoting him?

          May 2, 2014 at 8:31 pm |
        • Keith

          I think "Sam Adams" made beer, not a nation. John Adams was a deist and founded the Deist society at Harvard. Neither he nor his wife believed in the Trinity so theu were not Christians at all.

          May 4, 2014 at 9:39 am |
    • I'm not a GOPer, nor do I play one on TV

      "I almost shudder at the thought of alluding to the most fatal example of the abuses of grief which the history of mankind has preserved — the Cross. Consider what calamities that engine of grief has produced!" – John Adams

      See ... I can cherry pick quotes out of context too! I even removed a bit to disguise what he really meant. Isn't that cool?

      May 2, 2014 at 7:42 pm |
  8. justpro86

    Apparently Atheists lack common sense. This is a Christian blog...A blog that contains every religion but which religion does this blog usually talks about? Christianity and yet here they are trolling and rolling thinking they sound smart but only proving their immaturity

    May 2, 2014 at 5:59 pm |
    • Doris

      Contradict yourself much pops? Try a decongestant and an enema and then we'll see if you still can make any sense.

      May 2, 2014 at 6:02 pm |
      • justpro86

        LOL one should talk

        May 2, 2014 at 6:03 pm |
    • Akira

      This is a Belief Blog, not a Christian blog.

      You show your extreme predjudice against other faiths when you try to steal something that isn't yours...but you already know that, being well versed in stealing other people's work and presenting it as your own.

      May 2, 2014 at 6:07 pm |
      • awanderingscot

        right .. like the incredibly long cut and paste science fiction piece by one mr colin, actually a bit entertaining; the image of all the nose-ear-hairs of the past sitting down to contrive their deceive. "what did you call that one in Africa Horace? a Troglodite?" "and what age did he live in?" "oh now wait, that bone we picked up in South America is not going to work" This is all good fun but without a worldwide flood to wipe out all the raptors and other monstrously large prehistoric predators how did the lowly elephant take their place? are why if mankind has been here all this time are they called "prehistoric"? why don't we have an oral passdown on these "dinosaurs"? why do we only see representations of antelope and deer on cave walls? yeah, I've read some science-fiction books myself but that doesn't make me a believer. You God-haters make me laugh. Very entertaining. Keep up the wonderful stories you tell. I'm loving it.

        May 2, 2014 at 7:10 pm |
        • Doris

          My goodness your questions are absurd. You and Theo should get a room and see if you can both figure out a way to boil water.

          May 2, 2014 at 7:22 pm |
    • In Santa We Trust

      Did you look at the top of the page – where it says "CNN Belief Blog"? As you've been told many times, this is not a christian blog.

      May 2, 2014 at 6:43 pm |
    • igaftr

      justp
      "This is a Christian blog"

      No it is not ...lying again I see. It is a belief blog.

      May 3, 2014 at 8:46 am |
  9. justpro86

    Wow the same Atheists are still on for many hours wasting their friday away posting on a blog for Christians.... This is hilarious if you don't believe don't waste your time there are a lot more news on CNN to comment on but nope your still stuck trying your darnest to look stupid.

    May 2, 2014 at 5:46 pm |
    • Akira

      Can you post some more plagiarized items? Thanks.

      May 2, 2014 at 5:49 pm |
      • justpro86

        LOL can you post more ignorant posts.... I heard its nice outside maybe you should go build a sandcastle and have a nice time in the park with your mom and dad... Yeesh Kids these days

        May 2, 2014 at 5:55 pm |
        • Doris

          Maybe you should slap on some fresh Depends and check out the outside yourself. Maybe the fresh air will dry up some of the dung between your ears and you'll realize how stupid you sound claiming this is a blog for Christians.

          May 2, 2014 at 5:58 pm |
        • Akira

          Oh! That was very original. The LOL was especially cute.

          As you've been told before, but neglected to understand, this isn't a Christian blog.

          Maybe c/p others people's hard work has made your brain atrophy, and incapable of learning anything new.

          May 2, 2014 at 6:03 pm |
        • justpro86

          Yes it is what is this topic about? A question for Christians... Besides Atheists don't believe in anything

          May 2, 2014 at 6:04 pm |
        • justpro86

          Oh I am sorry yes they do its called stupid theories

          May 2, 2014 at 6:05 pm |
        • Akira

          It's an article about the DP that involves a Christian author. That is on a Belief Blog. That isn't a Christian blog.

          Are you saying you have no opinions on anything that doesn't affect you directly?
          And that you don't comment on anything unless it does?

          May 2, 2014 at 6:17 pm |
    • Doris

      "a blog for Christians"

      Lol – try again dufus.

      May 2, 2014 at 5:54 pm |
    • Blessed are the Cheesemakers

      Opposing the scourge that is CHristianity is never a waste of time.

      May 2, 2014 at 5:58 pm |
      • justpro86

        LOL Christianity is what this country was founded on

        May 2, 2014 at 6:03 pm |
        • Blessed are the Cheesemakers

          Then maybe you would like to explain why Jesus or Christianity is never mentioned in any of our founding docu.ments....

          Keep lying to yourself and others...it just proves my point.

          May 2, 2014 at 6:08 pm |
        • justpro86

          Declaration of Independance reference God 5 times

          May 2, 2014 at 6:38 pm |
        • Blessed are the Cheesemakers

          And referenced the CHristian god zero times.

          May 2, 2014 at 7:10 pm |
        • sam stone

          slavery is what this country was founded on, justpro

          May 3, 2014 at 7:56 pm |
        • justpro86

          We are all slaves to society no matter what...

          May 4, 2014 at 5:00 pm |
        • tallulah131

          LOL. They referred to "Nature's God." Sounds wiccan to me.

          May 3, 2014 at 8:11 pm |
    • In Santa We Trust

      This is a belief blog not a christian blog – hence the name CNN Belief Blog.

      May 2, 2014 at 6:00 pm |
      • justpro86

        Yes however Christianity is often discussed and if you don't believe why bother? Guess trollin is all you got to do for today

        May 2, 2014 at 6:02 pm |
        • Blessed are the Cheesemakers

          Yep and we are disussing why Christianity is BS....so what's the problem?

          May 2, 2014 at 6:10 pm |
        • In Santa We Trust

          How is it trolling to correct your errors?

          May 2, 2014 at 6:44 pm |
    • Dalahäst

      These aren't typical atheists you are dealing with. Luckily most aren't like the ones that spend all day searching out Christians to troll.

      May 2, 2014 at 6:32 pm |
      • midwest rail

        Naturally, what justpro neglected to mention is that he has been on all day as well. And the non-believers are not the only ones who troll here.

        May 2, 2014 at 6:34 pm |
        • Dalahäst

          I've been guilty of posting on here all day, too. It is a waste of time for me. There are usually better things for me to do.

          May 2, 2014 at 6:43 pm |
      • justpro86

        This is true

        May 2, 2014 at 6:38 pm |
  10. new-man

    Wilbur,
    I agree with you. Our focus should be the gospel.

    Jesus taught the gospel of the kingdom of heaven.This gospel was the subject of most of His parables.
    The kingdom of God is a literal (one world ruling) government which will be fully realized after the 4th earthly kingdom has ended.
    Jesus was born to be a King. He is our King of kings and Lord of lords. The kingdom of God is our inheritance and it is Father's delight to give us the kingdom.
    When you are born-again, you are born into the kingdom of God. (one must be "born-again" b/c flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom)
    The gospel is not just for mankind; it is for the entire creation (look around, even right now creation is groaning for the manifestation of the sons of God).
    Only when we know our true identi.ty as joint heirs with Christ Jesus will we come into our inheritance of being "destined to reign" with Christ.

    May 2, 2014 at 4:47 pm |
    • Doris

      "The kingdom of God is a literal (one world ruling) government which will be fully realized after the 4th earthly kingdom has ended."

      Does anyone even know where any of those rings are supposed to be hidden. I think the elves have one, right?

      May 2, 2014 at 4:51 pm |
      • new-man

        he who knows not, and knows not he knows not, he's a ...... teach him.

        Peace.

        May 2, 2014 at 4:54 pm |
        • Russ

          @ new-man:
          she's got a point. not all Bible-believing Christians are premillenial dispensationalists (as you appear to be). believing in the biblical "kingdom of God" does not require believing one should read apocalyptic sections of Scripture as though they are narratives.

          kingdom = king's domain
          why not just say something like "wherever Christ reigns", which one day will be everywhere (Php.2:10-11)?

          May 2, 2014 at 5:07 pm |
        • new-man

          Russ,
          thanks for your point.

          as I mentioned, when a person is born-again they're born into the kingdom of heaven. this therefore means that Christ dwelling in a believer right now, that believer is currently living the kingdom of God. those who are bold enough to say it, can do so as I do, I am not of this world. I am of God. Christ dwells in me and I dwell in Him.
          Yes, there is a 2nd coming, but the kingdom of heaven is also for now. we're called to demonstrate the kingdom... how does one do that if they do not dwell within the kingdom.

          May 2, 2014 at 5:15 pm |
        • Doris

          newman: "those who are bold enough to say it, can do so as I do, I am not of this world."

          Oh goodness. I'd appreciate it if you could post in advance where you will be if you're on the road. I'll want to know so I can stay off of those particular highways.

          May 2, 2014 at 5:21 pm |
        • new-man

          "the kingdom of God does not come by observation, but by revelation. we (the church/body of Christ) are a government body.
          Eclesia – church. means called out ones or elected ones or people that are part of a governing body.
          2Cor 5:0 we are ambassadors (we're not part of that nation; we're representatives of the gov't of heaven, sent into the kingdoms of the world)
          we're to take back what belongs to the kingdom of God, and one of the things that belong to the the kingdom of God is the earth."

          The complete gospel is not just the Word; it is the manifestation of the word in the eyes and ears (lives) of those who hear it. Or as I like to say, it is living the kingdom.
          So the kingdom of God is not just for the future, it is for NOW.

          May 2, 2014 at 5:29 pm |
        • Doris

          "the kingdom of God does not come by observation, but by revelation"

          Yes, I understand – like if you were to go off to an island and smoke a lot of herb and then write down everything you see. It would just be one big Revelation.

          May 2, 2014 at 5:34 pm |
        • midwest rail

          "... it is living the kingdom."
          When do the majority of your fellow evangelicals plan on starting ?

          May 2, 2014 at 5:35 pm |
  11. Doris

    'Speaking at the Pastor for Life Luncheon, which was sponsored by Pro-Life Mississippi, Chief Justice Roy Moore of the Alabama Supreme Court declared that the First Amendment only applies to Christians because “Buddha didn’t create us, Mohammed didn’t create us, it was the God of the Holy Scriptures” who created us.'

    Oh my – Theo Phileoism is spreading....

    May 2, 2014 at 4:42 pm |
    • Akira

      How the hell does this guy even qualified to be a judge??

      The 1st Amendment applies to all citizens of the US. This guy should be thrown off the bench.

      May 2, 2014 at 4:46 pm |
  12. thefinisher1

    If we are all born "atheist" like atheists claim, that means prisons are filled with atheists. Seems like atheism is naturally evil.

    May 2, 2014 at 4:30 pm |
    • Doris

      This and your similar argument about wars have got to be the lamest arguments ever on this blog. Maybe you're just a poe. So let's see your statistics on babies in prison.

      May 2, 2014 at 4:36 pm |
      • thefinisher1

        You atheist claim that our "natural state" is atheist. That means people aren't really "religious" and thus atheism MUST be blamed for all the evil that happen. Grow up atheists. It's time to face the facts. Your atheism is naturally evil.

        May 2, 2014 at 4:38 pm |
        • Akira

          A request was given. What are the statistics of babies in prison?

          May 2, 2014 at 4:43 pm |
        • Doris

          No matter how you twist it, you can't fix stupid.

          May 2, 2014 at 4:43 pm |
        • thefinisher1

          Never mentioned anything about "babies". Having a reading problem, are we?

          May 2, 2014 at 4:44 pm |
        • Akira

          You were born an adult?

          May 2, 2014 at 4:47 pm |
        • joey3467

          Apparently the atheists, by and large, don't become criminals until after they convert to Christianity, which is the jails are full of Christians.

          May 2, 2014 at 4:48 pm |
        • thefinisher1

          And you believe criminals because? If you atheists are filled with "logic" or "reason", where is it? You will snoop so low that you will believe criminals to have an attack made? You people are friggin' nuts and should be placed in the insane asylum!

          May 2, 2014 at 4:51 pm |
        • noahsdadtopher

          Joey

          That's a logical fallacy

          May 2, 2014 at 4:51 pm |
        • Akira

          Topher, so was finisher's OP.

          May 2, 2014 at 4:54 pm |
        • thefinisher1

          Wrong. Atheists made the claim. I applied it logically to reality. It's ok. The truth is very hard to accept sometimes when you believe something false.

          May 2, 2014 at 4:57 pm |
        • Akira

          Wrong. Your OP was a strawman.

          May 2, 2014 at 4:58 pm |
        • thefinisher1

          Atheists make that claim that we are all born atheists. I applied that LOGICALLY to reality. Did I smash your childish fantasy? Awwwww!!!

          May 2, 2014 at 5:00 pm |
        • Akira

          I'm not an atheist, so you didn't do anything except show that you do t know what a strawman is.

          That claim has nothing to do with your follow up "that means prisons are filled with atheists."

          May 2, 2014 at 5:04 pm |
        • thefinisher1

          Most atheists think all religions are false, so it's logical to state their view, all people are born atheists, means no one is "religious" and atheism should be blamed for all the evil that's done in this world. Instead of blaming religion, I reverse it and blame atheism.

          The atheist delusion is smashed. Grow up atheists.

          May 2, 2014 at 5:07 pm |
        • Akira

          You've built another strawman. You're getting quite good at it.

          May 2, 2014 at 5:12 pm |
        • thefinisher1

          Atheists think they get off scott–free and can blame anything on religion. Ha! The stupidity of today's atheists is so funny to mock! My sides! 😊☺️😄😃😄☺️☺️😃😃😃😄😄

          May 2, 2014 at 5:13 pm |
        • Doris

          Maybe we are judging "thefinisher1" too harshly. Apparently he has not learned much since birth. This might explain this strange rationale.

          May 2, 2014 at 5:18 pm |
        • joey3467

          Logical fallacy? Most of the people in jail claim they are Christians, who am I to tell them they are not? I don't even know them, so all I can do is take their word for it.

          May 2, 2014 at 5:20 pm |
        • thefinisher1

          Strange rationale? LOL!!!! Atheists make the claim and as a said many times, I applied it logically. Grow up.

          May 2, 2014 at 5:21 pm |
        • Doris

          Logically? Lol. As has been said here many times before: "boring troll is boring".

          May 2, 2014 at 5:27 pm |
        • thefinisher1

          Childish baby troll is still a childish baby troll. Do you like plugging when your ears when you hate hearing the truth? D'awwww!!!!

          May 2, 2014 at 5:28 pm |
        • Akira

          Yes. Everyone gets that you hate atheists.

          Doesn't negate that your OP was a strawman.

          May 2, 2014 at 5:35 pm |
        • thefinisher1

          Who said anything about me hating atheists? Are you blind or just stupid? I don't hate atheists. It's called not taking your cr@.p.

          May 2, 2014 at 5:37 pm |
        • Akira

          Oh. From the tone of your posts, it looked that way.

          Your OP was a strawman. If by "not taking your crap" means lying, okay.

          May 2, 2014 at 5:41 pm |
        • Doris

          Someone wake me up if this nutcase ever comes up with a real argument. I doubt we'll see one.

          May 2, 2014 at 5:43 pm |
        • thefinisher1

          Wrong. Totally wrong. Straw man? Nope. I have said MULTIPLE times what I did. Your childish brain won't let you see it.

          May 2, 2014 at 5:43 pm |
        • In Santa We Trust

          Logic and reason not your strong suit then?

          May 2, 2014 at 5:43 pm |
        • Akira

          It’s called not taking your cr@.p.

          Whose crap?

          May 2, 2014 at 5:44 pm |
    • Akira

      If we are all born “atheist” like atheists claim, has nothing to do with your conclusion that means prisons are filled with atheists.

      This is a classic example of a strawman.

      May 2, 2014 at 5:48 pm |
  13. Alias

    The Southern Baptists split from the 'other' baptists because they refused to give up slavery.
    I will never look to this group for moral guidance.

    May 2, 2014 at 4:30 pm |
  14. Wilbur

    These people should learn about compassion from St. Francis

    Lord, make me an instrument of Your peace;
    Where there is hatred, let me sow love;
    Where there is injury, pardon;
    Where there is error, truth;
    Where there is doubt, faith;
    Where there is despair, hope;
    Where there is darkness, light;
    And where there is sadness, joy.
    O Divine Master, Grant that I may not so much seek
    To be consoled as to console;
    To be understood as to understand;
    To be loved as to love.
    For it is in giving that we receive;
    It is in pardoning that we are pardoned;
    And it is in dying that we are born to eternal life.

    May 2, 2014 at 3:40 pm |
    • Wilbur

      It is high time that Baptists learn about compassion from the Catholics.

      May 2, 2014 at 3:44 pm |
      • Theo Phileo

        I can do that when the papists lay aside such false doctrine such as justification follows sanctification rather than what the Bible says that sanctification follows justification. (Ephesians 2:8-9)

        I can do that when Catholics lay aside every other source of truth except the Bible (Colossians 2:8, 1 Corinthians 4:6, 2 Timothy 3:14-17, Colossians 2:18-19, Galatians 1:6-10, Psalm 19:7, Revelation 22:18-19)

        May 2, 2014 at 3:50 pm |
        • Wilbur

          You sound like someone who is into 'theology'.

          Nothing wrong with theology, but you have strayed far away from the gospel by shifting the focus on "your" theology.

          May 2, 2014 at 3:52 pm |
        • Wilbur

          Can't help but notice, justification, sanctification, purification....

          My, my, my head hurts bad, when I read all about your "fications"

          May 2, 2014 at 3:54 pm |
        • Theo Phileo

          "Nothing wrong with theology, but you have strayed far away from the gospel by shifting the focus on "your" theology."
          -----------
          Huh? Without theology, we don't have the gospel... And it isn't "my" theology, it is the theology gained by a plain reading of the text.

          May 2, 2014 at 3:54 pm |
        • Akira

          It is your interpretation, Theo, whether you'd care to admit it or not.

          May 2, 2014 at 3:58 pm |
        • Concert in an Egg

          Well done once again Theo. Ctrl C + Ctrl V is your calling.

          May 2, 2014 at 3:58 pm |
        • Wilbur

          Please provide one verse from the Bible that says a person is saved by theology and not by faith in the Lord Jesus Christ.

          May 2, 2014 at 4:00 pm |
        • Theo Phileo

          "It is your interpretation, Theo, whether you'd care to admit it or not."
          -------------
          You're joking, right? OK, I'll tell you what. You read Ephesians 2:8-9, and then you tell me how someone can justify adding works to salvation.

          May 2, 2014 at 4:00 pm |
        • Theo Phileo

          "Please provide one verse from the Bible that says a person is saved by theology and not by faith in the Lord Jesus Christ."
          --------------
          Theology is simply "the study of God." If someone has no study of God whatsoever, then they will have no knowledge of the gospel.

          2 John 1:9 – Anyone who goes too far and does not abide in the teaching of Christ, does not have God; the one who abides in the teaching, he has both the Father and the Son

          May 2, 2014 at 4:03 pm |
        • Wilbur

          One more thing, you have to learn to target your audience.

          The belief blog is mostly frequented by Hindus , do you realize how confusing your comments are to them?

          Ask yourself that question.

          May 2, 2014 at 4:04 pm |
        • Theo Phileo

          "Well done once again Theo. Ctrl C + Ctrl V is your calling."
          -------------
          Which is more offensive to you? That I can use "copy and paste" or that I know WHAT to copy and paste?

          May 2, 2014 at 4:04 pm |
        • Doris

          So Theo, since Paul's testimony regarding the Gospels is hearsay, why should we believe anything at all that he wrote? Why is his (and his side-kick Luke's) testimony any more valid than say Joseph Smith?

          May 2, 2014 at 4:05 pm |
        • Theo Phileo

          "Ask yourself that question."
          ---------------
          I was not aware of the amount of Hindus supposedly on the blog. Do I then need to give a clear presentation of the gospel? (This may take up a bit of real estate in here though...)

          May 2, 2014 at 4:06 pm |
        • Theo Phileo

          "So Theo, since Paul's testimony regarding the Gospels is hearsay, why should we believe anything at all that he wrote? Why is his (and his side-kick Luke's) testimony any more valid than say Joseph Smith?"
          ------------------------–
          Simple, because either you have not studied and have fallen victim to the whims of atheist's websites, or you are purposefully being deceptive, like Bart Ehrman.

          May 2, 2014 at 4:08 pm |
        • Doris

          Well start with why we should think something authored anonymously should be considered valid. Then you can get around to my concerns about Paul. We'll deal with faux-Peter after that.

          May 2, 2014 at 4:09 pm |
        • otoh2

          Theo,
          "Theology is simply "the study of God.""

          Actually, theology is the study of god(s) – small 'g' (or even goddesses).

          http://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/%CE%B8%CE%B5%CF%8C%CF%82

          May 2, 2014 at 4:09 pm |
        • Theo Phileo

          Akira, I'm waiting...

          May 2, 2014 at 4:09 pm |
        • Wilbur

          I would take commenting here seriously, some of the souls need to presented with the truth.

          All *your* theological mumbo jumbo is not going to win any souls for Christ.

          Unless, you take this casually and are not really interested in winning souls for Christ, continue to do what you are doing.

          I am accountable for my comments to God and so are you, especially if you claim to be a Christian.

          May 2, 2014 at 4:10 pm |
        • Doris

          You're dancing around the question, Theo.

          May 2, 2014 at 4:10 pm |
        • Theo Phileo

          "Actually, theology is the study of god(s) – small 'g' (or even goddesses)."
          ------------
          That's ONE of the definitions for sure. But even Webster knew that Theology professors of Christian insti.tutions refer to ONE God.

          May 2, 2014 at 4:11 pm |
        • Theo Phileo

          Wilbur
          So tell me what you would have me do...

          May 2, 2014 at 4:12 pm |
        • Doris

          "That's ONE of the definitions for sure. But even Webster knew that Theology professors of Christian insti.tutions refer to ONE God."

          Sorry, Theo, but your answer was already marked incorrect. You can take the test again tomorrow, but based on your track record.....

          May 2, 2014 at 4:16 pm |
        • Akira

          Waiting for what? My original statement was meant for your initial answer to Wilbur. It still holds true; your interpretation of the Bible is yours, just as Wilbur's is his. Not of that particular verse itself, but the Bible in it's entirety.

          You knew perfectly well what I meant, yet you chose to be disingenuous.

          May 2, 2014 at 4:17 pm |
        • Wilbur

          a) Pray before you start commenting,

          b) Know your audience, this belief blog is frequented by non Christians more than atheists. Your message should focus on the gospel.

          c) This is not a forum to discuss theology, discuss theology in a Church small group setting or Bible study group.

          May 2, 2014 at 4:18 pm |
        • noahsdadtopher

          Why SHOULDN'T we discuss theology here?

          May 2, 2014 at 4:21 pm |
        • Science Works

          Hey Theo and the Gang –

          http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2014/04/30/bill-nye-the-science-guy-has-no-patience-for-your-candy-assed-science-illiteracy/

          May 2, 2014 at 4:22 pm |
        • Doris

          lol – wonderful link address, Science...

          May 2, 2014 at 4:28 pm |
        • Akira

          It's 4:30. Theo must be off the work computer and has left for the day.

          May 2, 2014 at 4:32 pm |
      • Wilbur

        Better yet, learn from the Amish.

        May 2, 2014 at 3:50 pm |
    • Dalahäst

      Great prayer. It was written for him, not by him though.

      May 2, 2014 at 5:20 pm |
  15. joey3467

    It is to be noted further that the alleged errors have been for the most part trivial. In no cases have important doctrines or important historical events been in question.

    Well that is just not true, there are plenty of people who question whether Jesus actually came back from the dead or not, and that is certainly an important doctrine for Christianity.

    May 2, 2014 at 3:37 pm |
    • kermit4jc

      HOWEVER>.there is no error in Jesus coming back from the dead

      May 2, 2014 at 3:38 pm |
      • Concert in an Egg

        The ONLY error in Jesus coming back from the dead is that he didn't. Other than that it is accurate.

        May 2, 2014 at 3:41 pm |
        • kermit4jc

          where is his body...why didn't anyone show them where he was to quell the preaching? after all..the Jews wanted him dead so as to stop the new movement..so to say.....

          May 2, 2014 at 3:52 pm |
        • Concert in an Egg

          Kermit, what you are failing to take into consideration is that people don't come from the dead. Therefore he did not die on the cross or he did and stayed dead. Because that is what happens to people; they die and stay dead. That is reality.

          May 2, 2014 at 3:56 pm |
        • kermit4jc

          DUH..I KNOW that people don't normally come from the dead! this is no mere human.....and also you pretty much don't believein miracles....I do.......there is NO evidence Jesus died and stayed dead..there is NO body to shut the preachers up...to stop the people from spreading the Gospels...there was NO writings saying it did not happen

          May 2, 2014 at 5:50 pm |
        • snuffleupagus

          Kermi, miss piggy is calling. There is no REAL proof that your Jesus lived. If he did, big IF, then he would have been thrown into a smouldering pit, or the wild dogs would have got to it after it rotted

          May 2, 2014 at 3:58 pm |
        • kermit4jc

          again they could have brought the body LONG before that....it takes quite a long time for body to rot..and the FACTis..the church started growing right after His death and resurrection..Jesus did live...those who doubt make a mockery of history

          May 2, 2014 at 5:53 pm |
        • joey3467

          My guess is his body is buried in a mass grave somewhere. A place where the Romans put the bodies of the people they executed, as I highly doubt they returned them so that the families could bury them.

          May 2, 2014 at 5:26 pm |
        • kermit4jc

          that was a guess..and against eyewitnesses saying Jospeh put Jesus in His tomb...and again..the authorities could get the body to quell the preaching

          May 2, 2014 at 6:02 pm |
      • joey3467

        I would completely disagree.

        May 2, 2014 at 3:45 pm |
      • colin31714

        Well, actually, there is a plethora of problems, not least of which is the inconsistencies between the only two original gospels that record the alleged event. I think you would agree with me that MArk and John's versions are later additions to their gospels inserted centuries later, right?

        May 2, 2014 at 4:13 pm |
  16. bostontola

    There's 2 separate topics; 1. Social policy around the death penalty, and 2. The religious implications.

    1. The social policy boils down to practical concerns. Since the guilt determination phase is imperfect (fact), the sentence of death must get relegated only to cases where the guilt, intent, and mental heath are certain. While it is theoretically possible to have such a case, I expect them to be extremely rare.

    So the practical question is, 'Does it make sense to have that sentence at all if it is so rare?'. If there was a deterrent effect of having the sentence on the books, perhaps. The problem is, the sentence could also have the opposite effect, a desperate killer having nothing more to lose kills more people in an all out attempt to escape. Since a moral death sentence would be so rare, and the benefits of having it on the books so tenuous, I would not support having it at all.

    2. Given the inability of humans to reach certain verdicts, and the irreversibility of a death sentence, it should not be supported by any moral system, much less a religious system that purports to have a just and loving God. It's worse if the God is purported omniscient. In that case, the God knows human's limitations and should immediately preclude death sentencing in favor of its own final judgement.

    Mr. Mohler raising the profile of the biblical death sentence being delegated to humans by God shines a light on another biblical contradiction and another biblical immoral element.

    May 2, 2014 at 3:11 pm |
    • awanderingscot

      No contradiction at all sir. He is holy and just in decreeing this and you need to be very careful to not challenge Him for you will without a doubt regret it.

      May 2, 2014 at 3:19 pm |
      • Akira

        God does not decree the death penalty here in the US.

        May 2, 2014 at 3:31 pm |
        • Concert in an Egg

          I think when we address all of the problems with the U.S. prison system, we can have a more clear view of the DP. Prisons for profit, overcrowding, over-sentencing, etc. With more prison resources in a not for profit situation, life sentences could be carried out less expensively. The DP too.

          May 2, 2014 at 3:38 pm |
        • Akira

          I was just telling scot that his post has nothing to do with the DP in the US; he seemed to think that God did.

          May 2, 2014 at 3:56 pm |
      • bostontola

        The contradiction is in Genesis, where Abraham pushes God God's intent to destroy a city. Abraham asked, what if there are some righteous people there? God says he won't destroy the city if they are there, God will allow the guilty to persist for the sake of very few righteous. That is an advanced theory of justice. It is not compatible with the same god delegating death sentence to humans with limited understanding and poor motivations.

        May 2, 2014 at 3:32 pm |
      • colin31714

        I always laugh when a Christian threatens you with the "God will get you" nonsense. To a non believer, that is about as threatening as them saying they will have the monster in our cupboard get us. lol

        May 2, 2014 at 3:56 pm |
        • bostontola

          I am worried about Thor striking me down with a lightning bolt though ; )

          May 2, 2014 at 4:02 pm |
        • colin31714

          These poor people like awanderingscot actually live their entire lives based on this Dark Ages voodoo. I feel sorry for them. It would be like never outgrowing being scared of the dark.

          May 2, 2014 at 4:04 pm |
        • bostontola

          Being afraid of the dark is rational, being afraid of imaginary beings is not.

          May 2, 2014 at 4:10 pm |
        • colin31714

          Agreed. In some ways our species is hard wired for irrational beyhavior

          May 2, 2014 at 4:14 pm |
        • Sungrazer

          Not only is not threatening, it is very revealing. Sure, some Christians preach/speak of hell out a misguided sense of compassioinate concern. But there are others, like awanderingscot, who seem to take glee in the belief that we will forever be punished.

          May 2, 2014 at 4:51 pm |
        • colin31714

          awanderingscot has been dodging my challenge to present evidence for his creationist view of the Universe. He has none, so he just defaults to trying to poke holes in other theories.

          May 2, 2014 at 4:53 pm |
        • Sungrazer

          Typical fallacy. "By disproving your idea I prove mine."

          May 2, 2014 at 4:55 pm |
    • Vic

      God's "Natural Law" is revealed in our hearts, we know it before we even speak it out loud. We know "justice" in our hearts.

      This is about the "punishment fits the crime;" it is about naturally revealed "justice," hence the Law of the Land.

      May 2, 2014 at 3:37 pm |
      • bostontola

        And when a not guilty person is convicted and sentenced to death by imperfect humans?

        May 2, 2014 at 3:59 pm |
      • Akira

        So you are for the death penalty, yes?

        May 2, 2014 at 4:01 pm |
      • Vic

        http://religion.blogs.cnn.com/2014/05/01/why-christians-should-support-the-death-penalty/comment-page-5/#comment-3002230

        May 2, 2014 at 4:12 pm |
        • Akira

          Can you just answer a direct question? It's simple, Vic. Yes or no? Sometimes? I am not going on a wild goose chase.

          May 2, 2014 at 4:28 pm |
        • Vic

          I believe the Capital Punishment, aka Death Penalty, is the ONLY that fits the murder crime.

          May 2, 2014 at 4:33 pm |
        • Akira

          So death penalty in murder cases only?

          May 2, 2014 at 4:49 pm |
        • Vic

          The Capital Punishment, aka Death Penalty, is called for ONLY in murder cases, no other crime is punished by the it!

          May 2, 2014 at 5:09 pm |
        • Vic

          To All:

          Please DO NOT confuse the Mosaic Law with the Law of the Land.

          May 2, 2014 at 5:13 pm |
  17. Concert in an Egg

    @TOPHER

    Did you or did you not actually (not in your imagination) murder someone? Yes or no.

    May 2, 2014 at 3:03 pm |
    • Concert in an Egg

      Follow up question: Was it an abortion that you consented to?

      May 2, 2014 at 3:10 pm |
      • noahsdadtopher

        I broke the commandment not to murder by hating many people ... which Christ equates to murder.

        And no, I've never been involved with an abortion.

        May 2, 2014 at 3:14 pm |
        • Concert in an Egg

          So the answer is, you have NOT murdered anyone. You are a liar.

          May 2, 2014 at 3:19 pm |
        • samsstones

          Topher
          That is an evasive answer did you kill another human being? Yes or no?

          May 2, 2014 at 3:20 pm |
        • noahsdadtopher

          I answered it clearly. And I didn't lie.

          May 2, 2014 at 3:22 pm |
        • Theo Phileo

          Concert,
          Here's what Topher means:

          Matthew 5:21-22 – “You have heard that the ancients were told, ‘YOU SHALL NOT COMMIT MURDER’ and ‘Whoever commits murder shall be liable to the court.’ But I say to you that everyone who is angry with his brother shall be guilty before the court; and whoever says to his brother, ‘You good-for-nothing,’ shall be guilty before the supreme court; and whoever says, ‘You fool,’ shall be guilty enough to go into the fiery hell.

          1 John 3:15 – Everyone who hates his brother is a murderer; and you know that no murderer has eternal life abiding in him.

          May 2, 2014 at 3:24 pm |
        • Concert in an Egg

          Topher, you haven't murdered anybody and you know it. You are just being dramatic and ridiculous. From now on when you say you are a murderer I will know you are being dishonest.

          May 2, 2014 at 3:30 pm |
        • Concert in an Egg

          Theo, your copy and paste skills continue to be outstanding.

          May 2, 2014 at 3:31 pm |
        • samsstones

          Topher and Theo
          You are both in need of psychiatric care. Topher your non answer is just your cowardly way of living with your self. You come across as an ex- Grand Dragon of the KKK, redeemed by the Baptists. Theo your bible verses are just plain ridiculous and pathetic, how can you believe such BS?

          May 2, 2014 at 3:33 pm |
        • noahsdadtopher

          Apple

          Believe what you want, but according to the Bible I have murdered people in my heart and would be judged accordingly if my sins hadn't already been paid for.

          May 2, 2014 at 3:36 pm |
        • Theo Phileo

          "Theo your bible verses are just plain ridiculous and pathetic, how can you believe...?
          -------------
          I'll answer that if you explain how you can be a monkey's uncle.

          May 2, 2014 at 3:42 pm |
        • Concert in an Egg

          T, believe what you wish. It is your life my friend. -Apple

          May 2, 2014 at 3:47 pm |
        • noahsdadtopher

          Thank you. I will.

          May 2, 2014 at 3:49 pm |
        • samsstones

          Theo
          If this were a theocracy run by fanatics like you using those verses as a definition of murder 3 quarters of the people would be on death row. Reality and your biblical believes are not compatible. A monkeys uncle would be the brother of the father of the junior monkey, how stupid are you?

          May 2, 2014 at 3:54 pm |
        • Alias

          This is the type of crap that makes me not bother to try to have a honest discussion with you.
          No one died. Therefore you are exagerating GREATLY when you say you murdered.

          May 2, 2014 at 4:25 pm |
  18. Concert in an Egg

    Who can say that the death penalty isn't doing these people a favor. I am against the death penalty because I don't them to get off so easy. They should suffer in prison.

    May 2, 2014 at 2:42 pm |
    • samsstones

      Egg
      Topher is a murderer, he told me so.

      May 2, 2014 at 2:51 pm |
      • Concert in an Egg

        I have followed that. Who the heck did he murder??

        May 2, 2014 at 2:55 pm |
        • samsstones

          Egg
          Ask him, I guess. This phoney comes across as holier than thou while preaching from a pedestal of guilt, it just p!sses me off.

          May 2, 2014 at 2:58 pm |
        • sam stone

          i don't think gopher means he literally murdered someone. perhaps he thought of it, and his comic book convinced him it is the same as actually doing it

          May 2, 2014 at 2:59 pm |
        • samsstones

          Egg
          Just a guess but I would not be surprised if he consented to an abortion at one time or another and thus considers himself a murder in the eyes of his crazy baptist cult but not by the state, but who knows what goes on in the minds of the severely deluded.

          May 2, 2014 at 3:06 pm |
        • Concert in an Egg

          That is also what I think. That makes me a murderer too I am afraid.

          May 2, 2014 at 3:09 pm |
        • samsstones

          Egg
          Only in a fundies mind.

          May 2, 2014 at 3:17 pm |
      • sam stone

        topher is too much of a coward to take his due punishment, hence the need for salvation

        May 2, 2014 at 2:57 pm |
        • samsstones

          sam stone
          To say I admired your blunt to the point posts, hence the usurping of your handle, is an understatement. I had planned to fill in for your when you were not on the blog and have been doing so. Hope you don't mind.

          May 2, 2014 at 3:02 pm |
        • joey3467

          Did you take you name from a John Prine song?

          May 2, 2014 at 3:09 pm |
        • sam stone

          i took the nickname after serving in the conflict overseas

          i am blunt because folks like gopher and corn pone do not deserve any better. they are cowards

          "the jews deseved the holocaust" – corn pone

          "death is unnatural" – gopher

          those are two examples. there are many, many more

          May 2, 2014 at 6:15 pm |
        • sam stone

          And the time that i served, has shattered all my nerves, and left a little shrapnel in my knee

          May 2, 2014 at 6:45 pm |
        • sam stone

          both of them illustrate why evangelicals should be publically ridiculed

          May 2, 2014 at 6:57 pm |
    • SeaVik

      I thought you were pro DP Egg? Change of heart?

      May 2, 2014 at 2:59 pm |
      • Concert in an Egg

        Yesterday I really gave the issue some thought. So yes, perhaps a bit of a change of heart. There are still cases where the DP would be appropriate though, in my opinion.

        May 2, 2014 at 3:01 pm |
        • Akira

          Like I stated yesterday, I'm conflicted about the subject.

          In the case of McVeigh, it was clearly indicated he was guilty and he wanted to die.

          There have been, otoh, many death row inmates who have been exonerated by DNA...and there are probably many more out there where DNA had exonerated but due to flaws in the judicial system, that evidence was never heard.

          I dunno.

          May 2, 2014 at 3:37 pm |
  19. Doris

    justpro86: "Aww poor atheist wasting her time on a christian blog".

    This as bad as the troll that used to try to tell Doc V. that he had no right to post here since he's Canadian; LOL.

    May 2, 2014 at 2:31 pm |
    • workingcopy12

      "In Internet slang, a troll (/ˈtroʊl/, /ˈtrɒl/) is a person who sows discord on the Internet by starting arguments or upsetting people,[1] by posting inflammatory,[2] extraneous, or off-topic messages in an online community (such as a forum, chat room, or blog) with the deliberate intent of provoking readers into an emotional response[3] or of otherwise disrupting normal on-topic discussion.[4]"

      With all due respect Doris, your one of the biggest trolls here.

      May 2, 2014 at 2:57 pm |
      • workingcopy12

        you're

        May 2, 2014 at 2:58 pm |
  20. SeaVik

    "You haven't seriously studied the Bible, so it's apparent why you would have that view that you do."

    That's a pretty idiotic statement. Does one need to study Dr. Suess book extensively to know they're fictional? I know more than enough about the bible to know it is blatantly false. If there were any truth to it, you can be sure Christians would turn it into a major news story, but there isn't.

    May 2, 2014 at 2:24 pm |
    • Theo Phileo

      So what do you say to this then? (and this is just one instance of many such clear and literal prophecies I could list)
      Between 590-570BC, the prophet Ezekiel predicted in Ezekiel 26:26:12 that the debris of Tyre would be thrown into the sea. In 332BC, Alexander the Great did just that so that he might build a causeway out to the island fortress.

      May 2, 2014 at 2:32 pm |
      • Theo Phileo

        "Ezekiel 26:12"

        May 2, 2014 at 2:32 pm |
        • Theo Phileo

          It can also be found in Zechariah 9:3-4. This was written between 480-470BC.

          May 2, 2014 at 2:58 pm |
      • Doris

        I had a dream last night that I was by a beautiful waterfall. Then I woke up and sure enough, the cat box needed cleaning. Proof of prophecy! Praise the Lord! (Huge sarcastic eyeroll.)

        May 2, 2014 at 2:35 pm |
        • Theo Phileo

          Your mockery has no parallel to even that one prophecy that I listed. Read it. It doesn't get any clearer.

          May 2, 2014 at 2:36 pm |
        • Concert in an Egg

          Theo, I also had a dream about a waterfall last night, then I realized I was awake.

          May 2, 2014 at 2:49 pm |
        • Theo Phileo

          Concert,
          That's cute, but it is a non sequitur. Again, read the prophecy in Ezekiel 26:12.

          May 2, 2014 at 2:52 pm |
        • Concert in an Egg

          Theo, you don't even get the joke.

          May 2, 2014 at 3:06 pm |
        • Concert in an Egg

          Theo, here is the number one issue I see with you. You don't understand that people can't tell the future. Magic does not exist. Either something is real or it's not. Magic is not.

          May 2, 2014 at 3:08 pm |
        • Theo Phileo

          "You don't understand that people can't tell the future."
          ------------------–
          I agree. No man can tell the future.
          Daniel 2:28 – However, there is a God in heaven who reveals mysteries
          Isaiah 46:9-10 – “Remember the former things long past,
          For I am God, and there is no other;
          I am God, and there is no one like Me,
          Declaring the end from the beginning,
          And from ancient times things which have not been done,
          Saying, ‘My purpose will be established,
          And I will accomplish all My good pleasure’

          "Magic does not exist. Either something is real or it's not. Magic is not."
          ----------------
          I agree. But miracles DO happen.

          May 2, 2014 at 3:15 pm |
        • Concert in an Egg

          As I said Theo, your number one problem....

          May 2, 2014 at 3:51 pm |
      • SeaVik

        I say who cares? The bible is a really long and ambiguous book. I'm sure there are some things that have actually happened that are somewhat similar to things described in the bible. Like I said before, is there anything in the bible that is definitively true? And by that, I mean something that everyone would agree on? I'm pretty sure there is not.

        May 2, 2014 at 3:01 pm |
        • Theo Phileo

          I am not entirely convinced that you would believe no matter what I wrote to you.

          May 2, 2014 at 3:16 pm |
        • SeaVik

          Well of course I wouldn't because you're wrong. If you were right and you had a valid point, you would be able to convince me, but you're not. I am a very open-minded person, but there is absolutely no reason to give the Christian bible story any legitimacy.

          I think you've made it pretty clear that there is literally nothing in the bible that is true. You apparently have read it thoroughly and you can't provide a single example of a clear indisputable truth from the bible, whereas I can provide a very long lists of factually incorrect claims from the bible.

          May 2, 2014 at 11:43 pm |
      • Sungrazer

        Ezekiel prophesied that Tyre would be destroyed and never be built again. Yet in Acts, Paul landed at Tyre.

        May 2, 2014 at 3:08 pm |
        • kermit4jc

          never rebuilt to its grandeur it once was..andnot in the same place either

          May 2, 2014 at 3:14 pm |
        • Theo Phileo

          Kermit, you got to it before me! Thank you!

          Tyre later became a fishing city, a place to spread nets for centuries until the Saracens finally destroyed what was left in the 4th century BC. (Ezekiel 26:14) Since then, Tyre has never been rebuilt to its original splendor.

          May 2, 2014 at 3:17 pm |
        • Sungrazer

          Theo and Kermit,

          Your level of denial is truly astounding. Prophecies are literal and clear when they are fulfilled. When they are not, you retreat into something wholly unsupportable. Speaking of clear:

          "thou shalt be built no more: for I the LORD have spoken it"

          May 2, 2014 at 3:19 pm |
        • joey3467

          So you both admit it was rebuilt, and that the prophecy is still true, despite the fact that it says it will never be rebuilt?

          May 2, 2014 at 3:40 pm |
        • joey3467

          Or perhaps the people of Tyre had access to iron chariots, as the bible says god can't defeat them.

          May 2, 2014 at 3:44 pm |
    • awanderingscot

      unspiritual people will never be able to read the bible much less understand it. your unbelief stems from the fact that you have never come to understand and acknowledge your own wicked depraved heart. your heart right now is hard as a rock and you are blind so of course you can't see or hear His voice.

      May 2, 2014 at 3:32 pm |
      • snuffleupagus

        scotty boy, your mother is telling you to stop wandering off into that fantasy land. What is 'unbeleif, and unspirirual? Do you fundies get a course in how to make up words?

        May 2, 2014 at 3:48 pm |
      • Reality

        Some suggested references for awanderingscot to peruse before making any added comments:

        o 1. Historical Jesus Theories, earlychristianwritings.com/theories.html – the names of many of the contemporary historical Jesus scholars and the ti-tles of their over 100 books on the subject.

        2. Early Christian Writings, earlychristianwritings.com/
        – a list of early Christian doc-uments to include the year of publication and discussions of each.

        30-60 CE Passion Narrative
        40-80 Lost Sayings Gospel Q
        50-60 1 Thessalonians
        50-60 Philippians
        50-60 Galatians
        50-60 1 Corinthians
        50-60 2 Corinthians
        50-60 Romans
        50-60 Philemon
        50-80 Colossians
        50-90 Signs Gospel
        50-95 Book of Hebrews
        50-120 Didache
        50-140 Gospel of Thomas
        50-140 Oxyrhynchus 1224 Gospel
        50-200 Sophia of Jesus Christ
        65-80 Gospel of Mark
        70-100 Epistle of James
        70-120 Egerton Gospel
        70-160 Gospel of Peter
        70-160 Secret Mark
        70-200 Fayyum Fragment
        70-200 Testaments of the Twelve Patriarchs
        73-200 Mara Bar Serapion
        80-100 2 Thessalonians
        80-100 Ephesians
        80-100 Gospel of Matthew
        80-110 1 Peter
        80-120 Epistle of Barnabas
        80-130 Gospel of Luke
        80-130 Acts of the Apostles
        80-140 1 Clement
        80-150 Gospel of the Egyptians
        80-150 Gospel of the Hebrews
        80-250 Christian Sibyllines
        90-95 Apocalypse of John
        90-120 Gospel of John
        90-120 1 John
        90-120 2 John
        90-120 3 John
        90-120 Epistle of Jude
        93 Flavius Josephus
        100-150 1 Timothy
        100-150 2 Timothy
        100-150 T-itus
        100-150 Apocalypse of Peter
        100-150 Secret Book of James
        100-150 Preaching of Peter
        100-160 Gospel of the Ebionites
        100-160 Gospel of the Nazoreans
        100-160 Shepherd of Hermas
        100-160 2 Peter

         4. Jesus Database, http://www.faithfutures.o-rg/JDB/intro.html –"The JESUS DATABASE is an online a-nnotated inventory of the traditions concerning the life and teachings of Jesus that have survived from the first three centuries of the Common Era. It includes both canonical and extra-canonical materials, and is not limited to the traditions found within the Christian New Testament."
        5. Josephus on Jesus mtio.com/articles/bis-sar24.htm
        6. The Jesus Seminar, http://en.wikipedia.o-rg/wiki/Jesus_Seminar
        7. http://www.biblicalartifacts.com/items/785509/item785509biblicalartifacts.html – books on the health and illness during the time of the NT
        8. Economics in First Century Palestine, K.C. Hanson and D. E. Oakman, Palestine in the Time of Jesus, Fortress Press, 1998.
        9.The Gn-ostic Jesus
        (Part One in a Two-Part Series on A-ncient and Modern G-nosticism)
        by Douglas Gro-othuis: http://www.equip.o-rg/articles/g-nosticism-and-the-g-nostic-jesus/
        10. The interpretation of the Bible in the Church, Pontifical Biblical Commission
        Presented on March 18, 1994
        ewtn.com/library/CURIA/PBCINTER.HTM#2
        11. The Jesus Database- newer site:
        wiki.faithfutures.o-rg/index.php?t-itle=Jesus_Database
        12. Jesus Database with the example of S-u-pper and Eucharist:
        faithfutures.o-rg/JDB/jdb016.html
        13. Josephus on Jesus by Paul Maier:
        mtio.com/articles/bis-sar24.htm
        13. http://www.textweek.com/mtlk/jesus.htmm- Historical Jesus Studies
        14. The Greek New Testament: laparola.net/greco/
        15. D-iseases in the Bible:
        http://books.google.com/books/about/The_d-iseases_of_the_Bible.html?id=C1YZAAAAYAAJ

        16. Religion on- Line (6000 a-rt-ic-les on the hi-story of religion, churches, theologies,
        theologians, eth-ics, etc. religion-online.o–rg/
        17. The New Testament Gateway – Internet NT n-tgate-way.com/
        18 Writing the New Testament- e-xi-sting copies, o–r–al tradition etc.
        n-tgat-eway.com/
        19. JD Crossan's c-onclusions about the a-uthencity of most of the NT based on the above plus the c-onclusions of other NT e-xege-tes in the last 200 years:
        http://wiki.faithfutures.o-rg/index.p-hp?t-itle=Crossan_Inventory
        20. Early Jewish Writings- Josephus and his books by t-itle with the complete translated work in English :earlyjewishwritings.com/josephus.html
        21. Luke and Josephus- was there a c-onnection?
        in-fidels.o-rg/library/modern/richard_carrier/lukeandjosephus.html
        22. NT and beyond time line:
        pbs.o-rg/empires/pe-terandpaul/history/timeline/
        23. St. Paul's Time line with discussion of important events:
        harvardhouse.com/prophetictech/new/pauls_life.htm
        24. See http://www.amazon.com for a list of JD Crossan's books and those of the other Jesus Seminarians: Reviews of said books are included and selected pages can now be viewed on Amazon. Some books can be found on-line at Google Books.
        25. Father Edward Schillebeeckx's words of wisdom as found in his books.
        27. The books of the following : Professors Gerd Ludemann, Marcus Borg, Paula Fredriksen, Elaine Pagels, Karen Armstrong and Bishop NT Wright.
        28. Father Raymond Brown's An Introduction to the New Testament, Doubleday, NY, 1977, 878 pages, with Nihil obstat and Imprimatur.
        29. Luke Timothy Johnson's book The Real Jesus

        May 2, 2014 at 6:01 pm |
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