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Jose Luis Sedano prays during Mass at the Cathedral of Our Lady of the Angels in Los Angeles last March.
May 7th, 2014
11:58 AM ET

Study: Young Latinos losing faith

By Daniel Burke, CNN Belief Blog Editor

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(CNN) - Young Latinos are leaving the Catholic Church in droves, according to a new study, with many drifting into the country's fastest-growing religious movement: the nones.

Nearly a third of Latino adults under 30 don't belong to a faith group, according to a large survey released Tuesday by the Pew Research Center.  That's a leap of 17 percentage points in just the last three years.

While the demise of organized religion, specifically Catholicism, is most dramatic among young Latinos, the overall shifts are broad-based, according to Pew, affecting men and women; foreign-born and U.S. natives; college graduates and those with less formal education.

The trends highlighted by Pew's Latino survey also mirror large-scale shifts in the American population as whole.

According to other studies conducted by Pew in recent years, nearly a third of all millennials - Americans between the ages of 18-33 - are religiously unaffiliated, a dramatic and ongoing change from previous generations.

“One of the most striking recent trends in the American religious landscape has been the growing share of the unaffiliated, and this study allows us to see where Latinos fit into that story,” said Cary Funk, a senior researcher at the Pew Research Center and one of the co-authors of the study.

“At the same time, understanding religious change among Latinos is important for understanding how this growing group may be reshaping the American religious landscape more broadly.”

The overall breakdown of the nation's estimated 35.4 million Latinos is: 55% Catholic, 22% Protestant and 18% unaffiliated.

That's bad news for the Catholic Church, which has seen a 12 percentage-point drop in Hispanic members since 2010, with most of the losses coming from former Catholics under 50.

As recently as years ago, two-thirds of Latinos were Catholic; now nearly one in four Hispanic adults is a former Catholic, according to Pew.

The most common reasons for leaving the faith?

More than half (55%) say they just "drifted away" from organized religion. A similar number (52%), say they no longer believed in the teachings of their childhood religion.

A smaller number of Latinos (4 percentage points) have left Catholicism to become evangelical Protestants, according to Pew.

"Outreach to the Hispanic community is a top priority for the Catholic Church as the huge growth in the Hispanic community offers a challenge to keep up with the pastoral needs," said Sister Mary Ann Walsh, a spokeswoman for the U.S. Conference of Catholic Bishops.

"The Hispanic community, however, is not immune from the nation’s growing secularism, which concerns all religions, as church attendance seems less important to people," Walsh continued, "and people move from religion to religion and declare themselves spiritual rather than religiously affiliated."

The Rev. Samuel Rodriguez, head of the National Hispanic Christian Leadership Council, said he was surprised by the sharp rise in Latino "nones."

“They are saying: established religions of both denominations are not attracting me. And I think it’s a wake-up call for Catholics and evangelicals to allocate all our resources on the next generation.”

The survey was conducted in English and Spanish between May 24-July 28, 2013, among a sample of 5,103 Hispanic adults living in the United States, according to Pew.

The margin of error for results based on all respondents is plus or minus 2.1 percentage points.

CNN's Gustavo Valdes contributed to this report.

- CNN Religion Editor

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soundoff (538 Responses)
  1. joey3467

    In case you missed it, the editor of the blog posted in a previous article, yesterday, that you would be banned if you posted this video again. I am not really sure why though.

    May 7, 2014 at 2:56 pm |
    • Doris

      Thanks joey. I didn't see the reply.

      May 7, 2014 at 3:01 pm |
      • joey3467

        It wasn't even a reply to a post with the video, he just replied to one of you comments and said he would ban you. I think Akira pointed out it was a d.ick move to reply to a post after several hours when you might not even see the reply.

        May 7, 2014 at 3:03 pm |
      • Concert in an Egg

        No big deal. I have been banned for about a year now.

        May 7, 2014 at 3:16 pm |
  2. Concert in an Egg

    Let us pray:

    Dear Lord, thank you for the hundreds of murders today and all of the many murders yet to come in the days ahead. Your lack of compassion for human life inspires us all to ponder your ineffectiveness. Heavenly Father, we gather in the shadow of your careless disregard for us. In Jesus’ name we pray. Amen.

    May 7, 2014 at 2:43 pm |
    • Dyslexic doG

      there are a lot of things that the christian god really doesn't care about (saving kidnapped girls, preventing natural disasters, feeding the hungry, healing the sick) but the one thing he sure seems obsessed with is what people do while na.ked and who is having se.x with who.

      May 7, 2014 at 3:30 pm |
      • Concert in an Egg

        Absolutely true.

        May 7, 2014 at 3:37 pm |
    • Alias

      This is still not a good agrument against the christian faith.
      Most of the christians believe that the pain, suffering and injustice in this life will be taken care of in the next. Considering that this life is limited, and the next is eternal, that is one of the few things in their beliefs that make logical sense.

      May 7, 2014 at 3:40 pm |
      • Concert in an Egg

        This is not an argument against the Christian faith.

        May 7, 2014 at 3:48 pm |
      • jangeljac

        The argument against Christianity is the complete absence of empirical evidence. Believing in things without evidence is always a bad idea.

        May 7, 2014 at 5:11 pm |
  3. colin31714

    The great thing is that there is a meme effect to atheism, just like there is to religion. The more atheism and non-belief grows, the faster it will grow – a bit like the acceptance of gay marriage. It is quite common for a person to educate themselves out of Christianity, it is pretty rare that a nonbeliever backslides down into the superst.ition.

    It is almost a pity really, I liked being part of a very small minority.

    May 7, 2014 at 2:38 pm |
    • believerfred

      Wrong, you remain very much the minority @ 2%

      May 7, 2014 at 3:45 pm |
      • Alias

        Please get more recent data.

        May 7, 2014 at 3:50 pm |
        • believerfred

          2.4% in 2012 PEW rounds down not up so 2% works just fine.

          May 7, 2014 at 4:44 pm |
        • Alias

          "A 2012 study by the Pew Forum on Religion & Public Life reports that just 6% of the US population are atheists even though the number of religiously unaffiliated has grown from 15% to just under 20%."
          That was just a quick WIKI search.

          May 7, 2014 at 4:59 pm |
        • believerfred

          The number is 2.4 % world wide and 6% in the U.S.

          May 7, 2014 at 5:43 pm |
      • TruthPrevails1

        You do have to wonder how many sit in the pews every Sunday who no longer believe but risk too much by admitting. I would think the number of Atheists is actually much higher than the 6% in the wiki article.

        May 7, 2014 at 5:04 pm |
        • Alias

          There are a great many questions that could make the number of atheists very difficult to measure. Many people in the pews have different beliefs than the people collecting from them. How many doubts do you have to have before crossing that line into the 'atheist' catagory?
          How do you count people who have a 'religion' that is more of a philosophy and don't believe in a single being in control?

          May 7, 2014 at 5:22 pm |
        • believerfred

          How is that atheists can claim there is no supernatural causation without any evidence whatsoever then accuse believers of making claims without evidence?

          May 7, 2014 at 5:48 pm |
        • TruthPrevails1

          How is it you could ask such a silly question? You make the claim that there is a god, I say I don't accept your claim due to the lack of evidence provided...seems to me the one making the claim is the one who needs to provide the evidence. It's no different than someone saying that leprechauns exist and expecting you just to take their word for it. Burden of proof always lies on the one making the claim...rather simple or so one could hope.

          May 7, 2014 at 6:07 pm |
        • believerfred

          TruthPrevails1
          As I recall you describe yourself an atheist. I have experienced God to be exactly as represented in the Bible which brought about a radical transformation to my existence. You I recall became an atheist and experienced a change to your existence. Neither one of us has the high road and your new belief that there is no God, god or gods does not come with a free pass as to evidence.

          May 7, 2014 at 6:19 pm |
        • TruthPrevails1

          Your belief in the Christian god is considered Confirmation Bias and goes a little like this: your belief in the Christian god is based off of the bible, therefore all else will point to that god.
          However I'd rather be honest and admit to not knowing instead of plugging a god in to the factor, especially when no-one can confirm that a god exists. When evidence outside of the stories we know men wrote, is presented I am more likely than you are to change my views. No matter what is said to you. if it contradicts your story book then you are likely to deny it.
          In regards to your other comment, once again a simple honest "I don't know" works. However, as far as any evidence goes, once we die there is nothing more.

          May 7, 2014 at 6:37 pm |
        • believerfred

          TruthPrevails1
          You have a belief that when your organic matter no longer responds to chemical stimuli all that is and ever was you ceases to exist. That is a belief. You have no evidence that you get the joy of such a peaceful rest

          May 7, 2014 at 6:24 pm |
        • sam stone

          fred: i don't think that most atheists make that affirmative claim. rather i think most just say they see no reason to believe in one

          May 7, 2014 at 7:40 pm |
        • believerfred

          sam stone
          Ok, so one cannot go forward in life if they have not established a belief as to purpose for existence. God gives a purpose for existence. Absent God or a purpose onto God many atheists believe in naturalism. Naturalism is a belief. Even agnostics have a belief even though they claim they do not know. Those with religion tend to have some belief in continuation or an afterlife. If your belief is centered on naturalism then you fill in the gaps just as believers do.
          If you believe existence ends upon death you have made an affirmative statement about the afterlife. Your heaven consists of a blank slate and you have no evidence that is in fact the true. Without evidence you begin to argue that there is no soul, awareness is attached to physical etc. all of which has zero evidence.

          May 7, 2014 at 7:58 pm |
        • sam stone

          " God gives a purpose for existence"

          Man gives purpose for existence in the myth of god

          May 7, 2014 at 8:12 pm |
        • sam stone

          i am not arguing for no soul. i am simply stating that i see no reason to believe in one

          May 7, 2014 at 8:14 pm |
        • believerfred

          sam stone
          I must be missing something because even before I had a conversion experience I still felt this existence could not simply be that of naturalism. There is something behind the curtain. As an atheist are you saying you don't think about it because you can only accept what science can validate (philosophical naturalism). Do you wonder what is behind the curtain and draw a blank or just cross off all possibilities other than that which has physical properties?

          May 7, 2014 at 11:31 pm |
        • gulliblenomore

          I can't speak for Sam, but I can tell you as an atheist, I have not given up the possibility that there might be something behind the curtain, but that given the current evidence both scientific and logical, it seems rather remote. Some sort of evidence is needed, and certainly not some 2000 year old book.

          May 8, 2014 at 8:08 am |
        • believerfred

          gulliblenomore
          There might be something? How can you be an atheist if there might be something? At the minimum the God of Spinoza exists in and behind the curtain and he has proof which even Einstein found to have merit. It is perhaps the reason he said he was not an atheist other than the observation of wonder and the understanding that unknown means unknown. No question he rejected God of theology because it was laced with anthropomorphism yet he capitalized the G in God as did Spinoza.

          May 8, 2014 at 12:44 pm |
        • gulliblenomore

          Fred...,I see...you are unfamiliar with what an atheist is. We do not believe in the existence of any gods, because there is no proof. If we got the proof, our keesters would be parked in the pews right next to yours. We do not say there absolutely is no god....that would make us just as crazy as you believers that claim you know for sure there is a god.

          May 8, 2014 at 12:57 pm |
        • believerfred

          gulliblenomore
          There is no such thing as nothing (I prefer Spinoza who argued there is only existence) before or after your existence which makes the curtain a figment of imagination where you have no proof that such a curtain exists. You actually do believe in something that has no evidence in support of your belief (i.e. you believe in a possibility of something outside existence which is an impossibility)

          May 8, 2014 at 1:20 pm |
        • gulliblenomore

          Fred....I believe what I can see, feel, and relate to. Everything else is within the lines of my imagination. I worship only my wife's t-its. I don't need god or any other unproven resource.

          May 8, 2014 at 1:25 pm |
      • readerpan

        6% buddhist plus 16% for atheist, none, agnostic, secular humanist equals about 22% world total.

        May 10, 2014 at 3:22 pm |
  4. Concert in an Egg

    Topher, if my kids turned out to by religious I would naturally be very disappointed, but I would love and support them none the less. Will you feel the same if Noah is an atheist or adopts a religion other than Christianity?

    May 7, 2014 at 2:37 pm |
    • samsstones

      Egg
      Recall when Topher said he was not forcing his views on children by handing out religious tracts, the kids could accept it or reject it. Later on the same topic Topher stated...Unless they are born again christians who hold the bible to be 100% god's inerrant, infallible word, I don't want them anywhere near teaching my children. Good for him to try and influence other peoples children but not the other way around. Just a born again fundie jesus freaking nutter dripping with hypocrisy.

      May 7, 2014 at 2:58 pm |
      • Concert in an Egg

        Yes, I was shocked to find out Topher was doing that. I would like to know his feelings regarding my question if he sees this post.

        May 7, 2014 at 3:02 pm |
        • samsstones

          Topher being what he is will probably totally duck your question or evade it by putting a question back to you. A tried and true Topherism.

          May 7, 2014 at 3:08 pm |
        • sam stone

          the main point to remember is that gopher, above all, is a coward

          he is certain he deserves hell, but lacks the test-i-t-cular for-t-i-t-ude to stand up and take his punishment. he runs like a scared little child from logic ("death is unnatural"). he, like corn pone and rainy fuhrersucker, is only worth of derision

          May 7, 2014 at 8:05 pm |
  5. Doris

    Good news. I guess many young Latinos now are disgusted with watching people panicking over silly make-believe junk.

    May 7, 2014 at 2:35 pm |
    • Concert in an Egg

      They WON'T PANIC

      May 7, 2014 at 2:38 pm |
    • fintronics

      Shhhhhh!... don't mention "panic"!!

      May 7, 2014 at 2:55 pm |
  6. Concert in an Egg

    My father goes to a church that is full of fellowship but they are all so old they will die out soon and then what will become of the congregation? And there aren’t that many of them left now….

    May 7, 2014 at 2:35 pm |
  7. thatinthebible

    Great Post!

    What a great opportunity to reach out to the Latino community here in the U.S.!

    I'm blogging as http://isthatinthebible.com

    May 7, 2014 at 2:32 pm |
  8. MadeFromDirt

    False teaching that elevates man and man's actions over God's grace and sovereignty and the accomplished work of Christ is Satan's favorite deception.

    People leave their church when they are not fulfilled by the teaching and fellowship there, and they are pulled instead toward the distractions and concerns of the world and self. When leaders of a church are in it for themselves, for their self-promotion, and for their enrichment, then members will see through that and leave. When the doctrines of a church fail to build up faith and deep knowledge of Christ, and of His work and instruction and our need for Him, members are left without a solid foundation and direction for making choices in their daily life and when confronted with human struggles, the attraction of church fades. When a church adds to, isolates, distorts, and ignores the entirety of Scriputre, members are left without a desire to study God's Word for truth. When a church puts its focus on spiritual subjectivity, or on moral living, or on performing works and rituals with a promise of certain results, the result is a congregation that never gains assurance in their salvation, and they will gradually drift away from God's truth. Even the members who remain are often there for purposes other than knowing God and submitting to Him, and instead are there because of habit and obligation to family, going through the motions with a heart that is empty of saving faith. In varying degrees, the Catholic church and many other large churches are guilty of all the above, so of course polls will reflect the declining participation.

    But by God's grace His people have peace in the knowledge that the failings of man-centered churches were explained and foretold in the Bible, and that God will save all who He wishes to save, and His righteousness prevails in eternity over the deceptions of Satan, the errors of man, and the temporary freedom of deniers.

    May 7, 2014 at 2:10 pm |
    • Madtown

      God will save all who He wishes to save
      ---–
      What would be the point of creating humans you didn't intend to save? Some sort of morbid amusement? Why worship a God who functioned in this way?

      May 7, 2014 at 2:23 pm |
      • new-man

        Is there anyone seeking salvation who is turned away?

        May 7, 2014 at 2:40 pm |
        • Madtown

          Human beings with no knowledge of christianity?

          May 7, 2014 at 2:47 pm |
        • In Santa We Trust

          There is no evidence of a god. There is no evidence that salvation is available to anyone. So the smart money has to be on "yes".

          May 7, 2014 at 2:55 pm |
        • new-man

          wrong.
          you don't need a knowledge of Christianity, you only need a knowledge of God.
          Many people worship or have a knowledge of God without ever having seen or read a Bible.

          For this is the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel after those days, saith the Lord; I will put my laws into their mind, and write them in their hearts: and I will be to them a God, and they shall be to me a people:
          And they shall not teach every man his neighbour, and every man his brother, saying, Know the Lord: for all shall know me, from the least to the greatest.

          When you seek God, you will find Him. He will ensure that it is done!

          May 7, 2014 at 2:55 pm |
        • igaftr

          newman
          belief that you know god is simply delsuion. You do not know, since there is no evidence of god. If you have an experience that you attribute to a god, how did you exclude all other possibilities? You can't so you do NOT KNOW.

          Continuing to claim you know, shows the level of delusion.
          your religion requires faith, and faith excludes knowledge.
          If you have faith, you do not know...if you know, faith is no longer required.

          May 7, 2014 at 2:58 pm |
        • new-man

          Santa,
          it's quite unfortunate for you that you have no evidence of God in the midst of all that He's created surrounding you.
          In any event, it's your prerogative to be and to remain spiritually blind, deaf, and dead; just don't assume everyone shares your reality.

          May 7, 2014 at 2:59 pm |
        • fintronics

          Having "knowledge of God" is like having knowledge of batman since god is just an invention out of man's imagination.

          May 7, 2014 at 2:59 pm |
        • Madtown

          you don't need a knowledge of Christianity, you only need a knowledge of God
          -----
          You post this, then follow up with a selection from the bible?!?!? LOL!!! Utterly hilarious.

          May 7, 2014 at 3:00 pm |
        • In Santa We Trust

          new
          "Many people worship or have a knowledge of God without ever having seen or read a Bible. "

          Generally they're called Hindus or Sikhs etc.
          Still no evidence for any god.

          May 7, 2014 at 3:01 pm |
        • new-man

          Madtown,
          you know what's not so hilarious – a man trying to build his house during a hurricane!

          May 7, 2014 at 3:02 pm |
        • In Santa We Trust

          new
          "it's quite unfortunate for you that you have no evidence of God in the midst of all that He's created surrounding you.
          In any event, it's your prerogative to be and to remain spiritually blind, deaf, and dead; just don't assume everyone shares your reality."

          I feel great without the curse of delusion. The Universe is a wonderful thing, can you provide evidence that a god created it?

          May 7, 2014 at 3:04 pm |
        • Madtown

          That is not hilarious at all. It's a fool's errand, much like asking you to utilize logic in your thought process.

          May 7, 2014 at 3:08 pm |
        • Alias

          ...writing it on their hearts ...
          even more crap and excuses shifting blame to ignorant people instead of onto the flawed scripture where it belongs.

          May 7, 2014 at 3:35 pm |
    • Apollo to Zeus

      People leave their church when they are not fulfilled by the teaching and fellowship there, and they are pulled instead toward the distractions and concerns of the world and self.

      Or maybe it's because people are starting to use their brains, and discovering that it's all a fairy tale.

      May 7, 2014 at 2:28 pm |
    • Alias

      More crap shifting blame to innocent people instead onto the flawed scripture where it belongs.

      May 7, 2014 at 3:33 pm |
  9. gulliblenomore

    Why should young Latinos be any different than the other groups of youth? Hopefully, this silly god concept will die of with the current generation.

    May 7, 2014 at 1:54 pm |
    • Concert in an Egg

      My kids are teens and they are atheists. It is a good sign I think.

      May 7, 2014 at 1:58 pm |
      • gulliblenomore

        My daughter is as well....it is a very good sign

        May 7, 2014 at 2:00 pm |
    • noahsdadtopher

      gulliblenomore

      "Why should young Latinos be any different than the other groups of youth"

      I agree. The Bible tells us people are going to leave Christ and become more secular. Latinos should be no different. But once again, we see the Bible is accurate.

      May 7, 2014 at 2:04 pm |
      • gulliblenomore

        Topher... All that proves is that the men that wrote the bible knew sooner or later that people would figure out it was a scam, so they left little rabbit pellets in their fantasy book so that the less intelligent could find their way back.

        May 7, 2014 at 2:07 pm |
        • noahsdadtopher

          Hold on now. You atheists are always telling me how ignorant, uneducated and illiterate the authors were. But they're smart enough to make hundreds of predictions that would come true? Really? I think you guys better get together and get on the same page.

          May 7, 2014 at 2:11 pm |
        • gulliblenomore

          And Topher....I think the authors of the bible were smart. They knew just what to say to pull the sheep in. We don't think the authors were uneducated and ignorant, we think you believers are.

          May 7, 2014 at 2:26 pm |
        • samsstones

          Topher
          You are lying and you are a hypocrite and a coward.

          May 7, 2014 at 2:45 pm |
      • gulliblenomore

        Topher....if I made hundreds of predictions about the future, mostly generalizations, I am bound to get some right. If you want to base your life on such nonsense as that, feel free. But the youth is not buying that BS anymore

        May 7, 2014 at 2:21 pm |
        • noahsdadtopher

          They're not generalities, they are very specific.

          And I'd agree it would be convenient if there were only one or two. Like if I said, this morning, Gullible is going to wake up and eat breakfast. You'd say, "No kidding." But if I tell you that you'll wake up, which side of the bed you sleep on, whether you went to the bathroom first or got in the shower ... not only that you had breakfast, but that it was Frosted Flakes, toast and orange juice ... and the accurate predictions that I otherwise wouldn't know add up into the hundreds, you have to say, "What's going on here?" It's pretty amazing that the Bible was written by 40 authors over 1500 years and from several continents and they got it all right and didn't mess it up even once.

          I know we're losing the youth. It's partly the church's fault. But again it demonstrates the Bible knew what it was talking about.

          May 7, 2014 at 2:26 pm |
        • Apollo to Zeus

          Topher,

          Please share a couple of these predictions you speak of.

          May 7, 2014 at 2:35 pm |
        • joey3467

          Topher, if god is all powerful why can't he defeat iron chariots, or did the bible get that part wrong?

          May 7, 2014 at 2:47 pm |
        • samsstones

          Topher
          You are psychotic, you have left reality far behind.

          May 7, 2014 at 2:47 pm |
        • noahsdadtopher

          Psalms 22. Isaiah 53. TONS of predictions just in those 2 chapters.

          May 7, 2014 at 2:50 pm |
        • noahsdadtopher

          joey3467

          No idea what you are talking about.

          May 7, 2014 at 2:51 pm |
        • James XCIX

          Topher – Those verses describe someone enduring some suffering. Are you saying that because Jesus is supposed to have suffered those passages must be describing him? Anyway, it's easy enough to write later narrative to match earlier "predictions".

          May 7, 2014 at 2:54 pm |
        • noahsdadtopher

          I'd say it's not just "someone" suffering. It's very clearly Christ. Point by point.

          May 7, 2014 at 2:56 pm |
        • joey3467

          I am talking about the verse that says god can't defeat armies with iron chariots.

          May 7, 2014 at 2:59 pm |
        • joey3467

          Which is why I keep several in my garage.

          May 7, 2014 at 3:00 pm |
        • samsstones

          Topher is playing his usual silly game, he is deluded beyond repair, a liar and coward.

          May 7, 2014 at 3:00 pm |
        • gulliblenomore

          Topher....nowhere in the bible is anything that specific.

          May 7, 2014 at 3:02 pm |
        • James XCIX

          Topher – "It's very clearly Christ. "

          No, it isn't. And like I said, it's easy to match a later story with an earlier one.

          May 7, 2014 at 3:03 pm |
        • Apollo to Zeus

          Topher,

          Those 'predictions' are far from specific. They are as general as general gets. What else do you have?

          May 7, 2014 at 3:04 pm |
        • noahsdadtopher

          joey3467

          "I am talking about the verse that says god can't defeat armies with iron chariots."

          What verse is that?

          May 7, 2014 at 3:10 pm |
        • noahsdadtopher

          Apollo to Zeus

          "Those 'predictions' are far from specific. They are as general as general gets. What else do you have?"

          Then you clearly haven't read it. I'd suggest you go read them before you comment further.

          May 7, 2014 at 3:12 pm |
        • colin31714

          Here are a few Topher has claimed in the past. In each case, he gave the supposedly correct bible "prediction" followed by what he claimed science thought was the case and finally what we now know, which supposedly coincided with what the bible "predicted."

          I did a little research into them. Here are the results.

          TOPHER CLAIM 1 – The earth is a sphere (Isaiah 40:22) — The earth was a flat disk —The earth is a sphere.

          The actual verse is:

          “ It is he that sitteth upon the circle of the earth, and the inhabitants thereof are as gras.shoppers; that stretcheth out the heavens as a curtain, and spreadeth them out as a tent to dwell in.”

          It is from the second oldest part of the book of Isaiah. It was not written by the prophet Isaiah and is often called “Deutero-Isaiah” as a nod to its dubious authenticity. In fact, it was written during the 6th-century BCE, about 100-200 years after the original author of the Book of Isaiah died. As any fifth grade student knows, a circle is very different to a sphere. There is nothing in Deutero-Isaiah that suggests its author knew the Earth was a sphere. Further, the same author, a few verses later, refers to “the LORD, the Creator of the ends of the earth.” Neither circles nor spheres have “ends” such that it is ludi.crous to think that the author was speaking geometrically or knew the Earth was a sphere.

          TOPHER CLAIM 2 Innumerable stars (Jeremiah 33:22) — Only 1,100 stars —Innumerable stars.

          I have no idea where “only 1,100 stars” comes from, as approximately 6,000 stars are visible to the naked eye and were when the Book of Jeremiah was written. The actual verse says “22 As the host of heaven cannot be numbered, neither the sand of the sea measured: so will I multiply the seed of David my servant, and the Levites that minister unto me.” It is clearly an analogy to indi.cate a large number, rather than an actual indi.cation of an infinite number .

          TOPHER CLAIM 3 Free float of earth in space (Job 26:7) — Earth sat on a large animal —Free float of earth in space

          The actual lines from Job are “He spreads out the northern skies over empty space; he suspends the earth over nothing.”

          They are in the context of a semi-poetic interchange between Bildad the Shuhite and Job.

          For the Earth to be suspended “over nothing” it would seemingly be flat and suspended. It is neither. The author of the conversation obviously thought the Earth was flat. That is why he referred to the “spread” of the northern sky “over” empty space and the Earth “suspended below it”.

          I have no idea about the “animals he is referring to, unless it is a Hindu religious myth I am va.guely aware of.

          I will post some more – the word check keeps blocking me, so I have to weed out the "naughty word."

          May 7, 2014 at 3:17 pm |
        • colin31714

          TOPHER CLAIM 4 Creation made of invisible elements (Hebrews 11:3) —Science ignorant on the subject —Creation made of invisible elements (atoms)

          This verse is very early in the Book of Hebrews, where the author is talking about faith. The actual wording is:
          “Now faith is the substance of things hoped for, the evidence of things not seen.
          2 For by it the elders obtained a good report.
          3 Through faith we understand that the worlds were framed by the word of God, so that things which are seen were not made of things which do appear.
          4 By faith Abel offered unto God a more excellent sacrifice than Cain, by which he obtained witness that he was righteous, God testifying of his gifts: and by it he being dead yet speaketh.

          Once again, I am at a total loss as to how any person can extrapolate a reference to atoms from that verse. It seems to clearly be referring to faith. But, once again, and more fundamentally, atoms, generally, are visible – or else we could not see the World around us. They are just too small to be seen with the naked eye.

          As to “science” being ignorant on the issue, this is not so. The Greek philosophers Democritus and Leucippus both posited the existence of atoms. They both did so about 500 years before the Book of Hebrews was written. So, for that matter, did Empedocles.

          May 7, 2014 at 3:18 pm |
        • colin31714

          TOPHER CLAIM 5 Each star is different (1 Corinthians 15:41) — All stars the same —Each star is different

          The actual verse is where Paul of Tarsus is articulating his theology that the rising of the dead would be imminent and that God would provide all the now zombies with a new body. It reads:

          35 But someone will say, “How are the dead raised? And with what kind of body do they come?” 36 You fool! That which you sow does not come to life unless it dies; 37 and that which you sow, you do not sow the body which is to be, but a bare grain, perhaps of wheat or of something else. 38 But God gives it a body just as He wished, and to each of the seeds a body of its own. 39 All flesh is not the same flesh, but there is one flesh of men, and another flesh of beasts, and another flesh of birds, and another of fish. 40 There are also heavenly bodies and earthly bodies, but the glory of the heavenly is one, and the glory of the earthly is another. 41 There is one glory of the sun, and another glory of the moon, and another glory of the stars; for star differs from star in glory.

          As you can see, Paul is making a metaphorical reference to the different glory of the stars. It has nothing to do with the gaseous const.itution of the various stars. Also, I know of no scientist who claimed to know that “all stars are the same” as Topher claims.

          May 7, 2014 at 3:19 pm |
        • colin31714

          TOPHER CLAIM 6 Light moves (Job 38:19-20) —Light was fixed in place — Light moves

          This appears to be nothing short of a fabrication. The actual verse says,

          19 “Where is the way to the dwelling of light?
          And darkness, where is its place,
          20 That you may take it to its territory
          And that you may discern the paths to its home?

          Again, I know of no scientist who ever claimed light “was fixed in place.”

          I have not looked in depth at the rest of his claims, after seeing how insipid the first six were, I tapped out.

          May 7, 2014 at 3:20 pm |
        • James XCIX

          Topher – You seem to have bought into the argument that Jesus fulfilled so many of the Old Testament prophecies that the odds he was the Messiah are astronomically in his favor. We're pointing out that the connections you think are so strong are actually pretty flimsy, and, as I keep stressing, it's not difficult to make a new story match an older one. So it's a very unpersuasive argument, once you start looking into it.

          May 7, 2014 at 3:21 pm |
        • samsstones

          Topher
          Do you really think that a sane person reading the same verses as you have in the book of BS is going to come to the same nutty conclusion you have? Crazy.

          May 7, 2014 at 3:26 pm |
        • noahsdadtopher

          The ONLY people reading those two chapters that don't say "That's Christ!" are those being dishonest or who have an agenda.

          May 7, 2014 at 3:41 pm |
        • samsstones

          Topher
          The only people that read the book of Mormon that don't believe in the planet Kolob are those that have an agenda, see how that works, dummy?

          May 7, 2014 at 3:55 pm |
        • samsstones

          Topher
          BTW my born again fundie jesus freaking nutter are you not going to answer the question posed to you by Egg @2:37PM, above? Why do you you think you can butt into other peoples children learning but claim you only want fellow nutters to teach your children?

          May 7, 2014 at 4:06 pm |
        • James XCIX

          Topher – "The ONLY people reading those two chapters that don't say "That's Christ!" are those being dishonest or who have an agenda."

          Really? You really can't come up with any other possible explanation? No room for an honest differing conclusion?

          May 7, 2014 at 4:07 pm |
        • noahsdadtopher

          James XCIX

          "Really? You really can't come up with any other possible explanation? No room for an honest differing conclusion?"

          Go read those chapters and tell me who they are talking about.

          May 7, 2014 at 4:09 pm |
        • James XCIX

          As I already mentioned, they are about someone who is enduring some suffering. Could be anyone.

          May 7, 2014 at 4:11 pm |
        • James XCIX

          Topher – And you still haven't addressed the idea that the writers of the New Testament could easily have fraudulently made their description of Jesus somewhat match the "predictions".

          May 7, 2014 at 4:14 pm |
        • noahsdadtopher

          James XCIX

          "Topher – And you still haven't addressed the idea that the writers of the New Testament could easily have fraudulently made their description of Jesus somewhat match the "predictions"."

          That's a nice idea, but where's the evidence that happened?

          In Psalm 22, there are 15 NT references to this and equating it with Messiah. So much so that it is often called the fifth gospel.

          In Isaiah 53, the very language says it's more than just some guy. "But he was wounded for our transgressions, he was crushed for our iniquities; upon him was the chastisement that brought us peace, and with his stripes we are healed." No other man in history could have done what Christ did on the cross.

          Again, please read the passages before you try to tell us what it means.

          May 7, 2014 at 4:31 pm |
        • James XCIX

          Topher – "That's a nice idea, but where's the evidence that happened?

          You're right, I have no evidence, but it's far more plausible than your scenario.

          "Again, please read the passages before you try to tell us what it means."

          My posts should make it clear that I have read them. Your admonition to read them makes it apparent you are either being disingenuous or just incapable of conceiving that someone can reach a different conclusion than you. Unimpressive, either way.

          May 7, 2014 at 4:55 pm |
        • samsstones

          Topherism
          A condition that allows a person to reject all knowledge that does not agree with that persons a priori beliefs. (Also known as Phileoidiotism).
          Topher is a born again fundie jesus freaking nutter that will lie and eventually run away like the coward he is.

          May 7, 2014 at 5:05 pm |
  10. Concert in an Egg

    If you believe in gods but not religions, there is a great place to go and worship or whatever it is you wish to do. Step outside after dark and look up.

    May 7, 2014 at 1:40 pm |
    • Lucifer's Evil Twin

      “The nitrogen in our DNA, the calcium in our teeth, the iron in our blood, the carbon in our apple pies were made in the interiors of collapsing stars. We are made of starstuff.” ~ Carl Sagan

      May 7, 2014 at 1:53 pm |
    • noahsdadtopher

      Been doing some sky watching, dude?

      May 7, 2014 at 2:21 pm |
      • Concert in an Egg

        Hey T, what's up? I have always been a sky watcher. That is how I became an atheist actually. As a child, I would lay in the backyard with my grandmother and we would stare up at the stars and talk about the universe. In time, it became clear to me that religion was crazy talk. I was about 5 years old when I became an atheist.

        May 7, 2014 at 2:25 pm |
      • noahsdadtopher

        Another area where we disagree. I'd say the heavens declare the glory of God. So yes. Go outside and look up!

        May 7, 2014 at 2:55 pm |
        • Concert in an Egg

          Either way T, I agree we need to get outside and admire the cosmos.

          May 7, 2014 at 2:58 pm |
        • noahsdadtopher

          Yes, on that we can agree! I still have my telescope from when I was a kid. But it's missing a lens piece.

          May 7, 2014 at 3:11 pm |
  11. Concert in an Egg

    From Thursday through Sunday last week I spent many long hours in church. Those that attended the fundraiser I was involved with were all ancient. I mean ALL over 60 but most in their 70's and 80's. The kids have split man. Good for them.

    May 7, 2014 at 1:32 pm |
  12. His Panic

    Better to be a none than being part of such corrupt, perverted and idolatrous religion, because you all know that guy the Pope? I, even I, may be could be his Panic! Those who really, really without faking it, Trust in God and in Jesus Christ, God's Only Son WILL NOT Panic all others WILL.

    May 7, 2014 at 1:30 pm |
    • igaftr

      Still working that old pun. It is like a comedian coming out and telling the same joke over and over.

      I do not trust in any gods that there is absolutely no evidence for, and I never panic. I have far too solid a grip on my intellect to panic.

      May 7, 2014 at 1:33 pm |
      • fintronics

        "a man walks into a bar with a beautiful girl on his arm...."

        May 7, 2014 at 3:05 pm |
    • Concert in an Egg

      I WILL NOT PANIC even though Jesus means nothing to me personally.

      May 7, 2014 at 1:34 pm |
    • gulliblenomore

      Only those bereft of intelligence will truly panic, with or without an invisible deity to turn to.

      May 7, 2014 at 1:49 pm |
    • fintronics

      Obsession = " a persistent idea or impulse that continually forces its way into consciousness, often associated with anxiety and mental illness"

      His panic = obsessed with "PANIC"

      May 8, 2014 at 1:42 pm |
  13. colin31714

    A quick 10 question quiz might help explain why young Latinos are deserting religion in droves. The core problem the priests face is the internet. Suddenly they no longer have a monopoly on what they tell these kids while they are too young to know any better. The kids can fact check themselves and, of course, Catholicism is quickly shown to be highly illogical and marbled with contradictions and silly, childish claims, down to its very taproot.

    Q.1 The completely absurd theory that all 7,000,000,000 human beings on the planet are simultaneously being supervised 24 hours a day, every day of their lives by an immortal, invisible being for the purposes of reward or punishment in an “afterlife” comes from the field of:

    (a) Bad science fiction;

    (b) Children’s fairytales;

    (c) Hallucinogenic psychology; or

    (d) Christianity

    Q. 2 What is the only thing capable of making 40% of the country utterly stupid enough to think the entire Universe began less than 10,000 years ago with one man, one woman and a talking snake:

    (a) a horrid mental disease

    (b) a failed education system

    (c) a successful Al Qaeda plot to undermine the future of the country; or

    (d) Christianity?

    Q. 3 Please complete the following sentence. It is not uncommon in many parts of the World for a young man to strap a suicide vest to himself and blow himself up and members of a rival __________

    (i) corporation

    (ii) university

    (iii) research insti.tute; or

    (iv) church?

    Q. 4 It is only acceptable as an adult to believe childish Bronze Age mythology like talking snakes, the Red Sea splitting, water turning into wine by magic, mana falling from the sky, a man living in a whale's belly, a talking donkey, superhuman strength, a man rising from the dead and angels, ghosts, gods and demons in the field of:

    (a) history

    (b) literature

    (c) anthropology

    (d) Catholicism

    Q.5 I have convinced myself that gay $ex is a choice and not genetic, but then have no explanation as to why only gay people have ho.mo$exual urges. I am being obstinate and closed minded due to my:

    (a) hetero$exuality

    (b) genetics

    (c) nationality; or

    (d) religion.

    Q6. I honestly believe that, when I think silent thoughts like, “please god, help me pass my exam tomorrow,” some invisible being is reading my mind and will intervene and alter what would otherwise be the course of history in small ways to help me. I am

    (a) a delusional schizophrenic;

    (b) a naïve child, too young to know that that is silly

    (c) an ignorant farmer from Sudan who never had the benefit of even a fifth grade education; or

    (d) your average Christian who believes that prayers are answered

    Q7. Millions and millions of Catholics believe that bread and wine turns into the actual flesh and blood of a dead Jew from 2,000 years ago because:

    (a) there are obvious visible changes in the condiments after the Catholic priest does his hocus pocus;

    (b) tests have confirmed a divine presence in the bread and wine;

    (c) now and then their god shows up and confirms this story; or

    (d) their religious convictions tell them to blindly accept this completely fvcking absurd nonsense.

    Q.8 The only discipline known to often cause people to kill others they have never met and/or to commit suicide in its furtherance is:

    (a) Architecture;

    (b) Philosophy;

    (c) Archaeology; or

    (d) Religion

    Q.9 What is it that most differentiates science and all other intellectual disciplines from religion:

    (a) Religion tells people not only what they should believe, but what they MUST believe under threat of “burning in hell” or other of divine retribution, whereas science, economics, medicine etc. has no “sacred cows” in terms of doctrine and go where the evidence leads them;

    (b) Religion can make a statement, such as “God is comprised of God the Father, Jesus and the Holy Spirit”, and be totally immune from experimentation and challenge, whereas science can only make factual assertions when supported by considerable evidence;

    (c) Science and the scientific method is universal and consistent all over the World whereas all religion is regional and a person’s religion, no matter how deeply held, is clearly nothing more than a matter of upbringing; or

    (d) All of the above.

    Q.10 If I am found wandering the streets flagellating myself, wading into a filth river, mutilating my child’s genitals or kneeling down in a church believing that a being is somehow reading my inner thoughts and prayers, I am likely driven by:

    (a) a deep psychiatric issue;

    (b) an irrational fear or phobia;

    (c) a severe mental degeneration caused by years of drug abuse; or

    (d) my religious belief.

    May 7, 2014 at 1:29 pm |
  14. Concert in an Egg

    Please bow your heads in prayer:

    Heavenly Father, thank you for your complete disregard for the sanctity of human life. Your lack of concern over our lives and atrocities against us teaches us well the nature of the one true God. Bless us with your absence and complete lack of effectiveness against evil. In Jesus’ name we pray. Amen.

    May 7, 2014 at 1:28 pm |
    • Lucifer's Evil Twin

      LOL... First time I logged onto here today... and this is the first thing I read

      May 7, 2014 at 1:40 pm |
  15. colin31714

    This is great news. Very inspiring. Wonderful to see the Latinos waking up to the Dark Ages supersti.tions. Makes me want to work on my Spanish, just so I can visit some website popular with them and provide encouragement.

    May 7, 2014 at 1:20 pm |
  16. SeaVik

    This article is evidence that illegal immigrants are probably smarter than conservative white citizens. If we're going to deport people, for the good of our country, let's deport the conservative whites first.

    May 7, 2014 at 1:01 pm |
    • Lucifer's Evil Twin

      I'm guessing the Hispanics leaving religion behind are NOT illegal immigrants. Illegal immigrants typically are not well educated, hence their proclivity to be religious.

      May 7, 2014 at 1:46 pm |
      • SeaVik

        I was kidding, of course, but good point. Less education and religion are highly correlated.

        May 7, 2014 at 2:06 pm |
  17. new-man

    Losing faith in religion is not the same as losing faith in El Elyon [The Most High].

    May 7, 2014 at 12:56 pm |
    • Concert in an Egg

      What have you been smokin'?

      May 7, 2014 at 12:58 pm |
    • commonsensed01

      But it is a good step in the right direction. Anything that gets people away from the weekly brain washing and pocket picking.

      May 7, 2014 at 1:00 pm |
    • Madtown

      Is El Elyon higher than El Capitan, in Yosemite Natl. Park? 'Cuz, El Cap is one impressive monolith.

      May 7, 2014 at 1:02 pm |
      • commonsensed01

        I thought it was the name of the mountain that bin Laden hung out in after 9/11.

        May 7, 2014 at 1:10 pm |
    • Woody

      "El Elyon [The Most High]"

      Is he that guy from Colorado?

      May 7, 2014 at 1:24 pm |
      • Concert in an Egg

        Is that the Cuban kid?

        May 7, 2014 at 1:35 pm |
    • fintronics

      El Guapo

      "he's infamous!...." "what's infamous?"... "MORE than famous!"

      May 7, 2014 at 3:10 pm |
      • gulliblenomore

        Nice 'Three Amigos' sub-reference'

        May 7, 2014 at 10:58 pm |
  18. Theo Phileo

    1 Timothy 4:1-2 – But the Spirit explicitly says that in later times some will fall away from the faith, paying attention to deceitful spirits and doctrines of demons, by means of the hypocrisy of liars seared in their own conscience as with a branding iron...

    2 Thessalonians 2:1-3 – Now we request you, brethren, with regard to the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ and our gathering together to Him, that you not be quickly shaken from your composure or be disturbed either by a spirit or a message or a letter as if from us, to the effect that the day of the Lord has come. Let no one in any way deceive you, for it will not come unless the apostasy comes first, and the man of lawlessness is revealed...

    May 7, 2014 at 12:52 pm |
    • igaftr

      Yes, Satan put a lot of that stuff in when he inspired the bible. He's a tricky one.

      May 7, 2014 at 12:53 pm |
      • Theo Phileo

        2 Timothy 3:16 – “All Scripture is inspired by God (“Theopneustos” God breathed, literally), and profitable for teaching, for reproof, for correction, for training in righteousness, so that the man of God may be adequate, equipped for every good work.”

        May 7, 2014 at 12:54 pm |
        • igaftr

          Yes, Satan put a lot of that kind of stuff in there as well, to throw you off. Like I said, he's a tricky one.

          May 7, 2014 at 12:58 pm |
        • SeaVik

          Theo, why is it so hard to grap that we consider your book to be an obvious work of fiction? If you grasp that simple concept, why on earth would you post quotes from this work of fiction as if you think that it is going to be considered a meaningful point? You just don't seem to get it.

          May 7, 2014 at 12:58 pm |
        • Madtown

          It says in the bible, that the bible is the inspired word of God. What an extraordinarily convincing argument.

          May 7, 2014 at 12:59 pm |
        • Theo Phileo

          John 10:26 – But you do not believe because you are not of My sheep.

          May 7, 2014 at 1:04 pm |
        • igaftr

          yes theo, you keep proving my point. Satan is sly, so he made sure there was plenty in there to divert yiou away from his agenda.

          May 7, 2014 at 1:06 pm |
        • commonsensed01

          Theo – That's right, we aren't sheep, we actually think for ourselves and don't flock to silly fairy tales.

          May 7, 2014 at 1:11 pm |
        • Theo Phileo

          igaftr,
          Matthew 12:36-37 – But I tell you that every careless word that people speak, they shall give an accounting for it in the day of judgment. For by your words you will be justified, and by your words you will be condemned.

          Mark 3:29 – Truly I say to you, all sins shall be forgiven the sons of men, and whatever blasphemies they utter; but whoever blasphemes against the Holy Spirit never has forgiveness, but is guilty of an eternal sin”— because they were saying, “He has an unclean spirit.”

          May 7, 2014 at 1:11 pm |
        • igaftr

          theo
          Continuing to quote from your Satan inspired work only goes to further Satan's cause.

          May 7, 2014 at 1:14 pm |
        • Alias

          Theo
          Now you are saying you are a sheep and we're not.
          Good.
          That is one step to seeing why you believe and we don't.

          May 7, 2014 at 1:14 pm |
        • colin31714

          Pity 2 Timothy is a forgery written by an unknown huckster fraudulently under Paul's name in the Second century.

          May 7, 2014 at 1:31 pm |
        • Madtown

          Theo Phileo
          John 10:26
          ----
          Can you make your case in your own words, or must you always use the words of others?

          May 7, 2014 at 2:20 pm |
    • SeaVik

      Theo, why do you post gibberish from your work of fiction? I suppose a reasonable response might be:

      I would not like them
      here or there.
      I would not like them
      anywhere.
      I do not like
      green eggs and ham.
      I do not like them,
      Sam-I-am

      May 7, 2014 at 12:57 pm |
      • otoh2

        Heh... and even from another Theo (Theo Geisel = Dr. Seuss)!

        May 7, 2014 at 1:07 pm |
        • SeaVik

          Ooh, I missed that. Must have been a Dr. Seuss miracle.

          May 7, 2014 at 1:24 pm |
      • commonsensed01

        And we even know the true author of that impressive work! At least his books don't contradict themselves and teach good values. I believe in the mighty Seuss!

        May 7, 2014 at 1:07 pm |
  19. Vic

    That's consistent with the general population, it is a trend of shying away from organized religion; however, in most cases, I believe, the nones or SBNRs still believe in God.

    May 7, 2014 at 12:19 pm |
    • Madtown

      Certainly can be the case. They just correctly realize that organized religions don't have the answers, and the truth, that they claim to.

      May 7, 2014 at 12:21 pm |
      • Vic

        More certainly, they view organized religion as hypocritical and superficial while valuing spirituality.

        May 7, 2014 at 12:25 pm |
        • Madtown

          Indeed.

          May 7, 2014 at 12:30 pm |
        • Alias

          More accurately, they see the flaws in the bible but haven't reached the reality of it all yet.

          May 7, 2014 at 12:31 pm |
        • Rynomite

          Leaving organized religion is merely the first step on the journey. The long itinerary goes like this:
          Believe in inerrant Bible and go to conservative church. You are intelligent. Brain Hurts.
          Change belief to Bible is a good guide and go to liberal church. Brain Still Hurts.
          Exposed to outside ideas, cultures, and religions. Abandon organized religion. Maintain loose belief in god of former religion.
          More education. Change to Deism.
          More thought on the topic. Change to Pantheism.
          Even more education. Change to Agnosticism.
          Take Logic and Philosophy Class. Accept Atheism.

          May 7, 2014 at 12:47 pm |
        • Concert in an Egg

          Even more accurately, they see religion as ridiculous and the bible as nonsense.

          May 7, 2014 at 12:48 pm |
        • colin31714

          Raymonite, that is actually a very astute observation.

          May 7, 2014 at 1:25 pm |
    • SeaVik

      Vic, I doubt they believe in a god. Regardless, since it's not your Christian god, the word "god" is just a concept and does not get capitalized.

      May 7, 2014 at 12:29 pm |
      • Vic

        Well, I am still referring to the Christian God in my premise. I have read several articles on the matter over the years which posit that most of the nones and/or SBNRs in the United States believe in Jesus Christ while abandoning organized religion.

        May 7, 2014 at 12:37 pm |
        • Rynomite

          One can believe in many of the moral teachings attributed to Jesus without being religious. Most atheists will even agree the world would be a better place if people actually followed his philosophy (especially his followers).

          May 7, 2014 at 12:50 pm |
        • igaftr

          I have found that is not true vic.
          The SNBR's do not tend to mention your Jesus, though I see much of a blend of various religions. Those who believe there is a god, do not pigeon hole that god as the christians have done. To say the SNBR's believe in Jesus, appears to be inaccurate. More accurate that they believe in "god" but that definition is unique to the individuals, as all gods are.

          May 7, 2014 at 12:50 pm |
        • SeaVik

          That makes no sense. No one would say they're not religious who believes in the Christian version of god.

          May 7, 2014 at 12:53 pm |
        • joey3467

          That is not true in my experience as everyone I know who quit going to church did it because they think the bible is complete nonsense, and that Jesus was not the son of god.

          May 7, 2014 at 1:19 pm |
    • I'm not a GOPer, nor do I play one on TV

      @Vic,

      of the 15-20% "nones" about 7% are atheist/agnostic. Of the rest some believe in an Abrahamic, Biblical "God" but are not affiliated with any particular sect. I still consider these "religious" even if they eschew the labels of organized religion.

      Most of the remaining SBNR are more in line with variants of Deism, Buddhism and other Eastern spiritualism often, but not always, in a cafeteria style approach religion. There in the "I believe in some kind of super-naturalism / guiding spirit" camp. I'd hardly say they believe in "God" the way you do.

      May 8, 2014 at 12:47 am |
  20. samsstones

    A good news story, more empty pews. People are getting educated and leaving the hustlers of the scam behind, HALLELUJAH!!

    May 7, 2014 at 12:10 pm |
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