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June 12th, 2014
09:14 AM ET

One priest killed, another injured at Catholic church in Phoenix

(CNN) - A shooting at a Catholic church in Phoenix left one priest dead and another one in critical condition, authorities said early Thursday.

A 911 call came in about 9 p.m. Wednesday local time from the Mother of Mercy Mission Catholic Church, said Sgt. Steve Martos of the Phoenix Police Department.

One of the victims made the call about the attack, which Martos described as a burglary.

The Rev. Kenneth Walker, who was killed on Thursday, and the Rev. Joseph Terra, who remains in critical condition, both belonged to the Priestly Fraternity of St. Peter, a Catholic community founded in 1988 that trains priests and celebrates the traditional Latin Mass.

In a statement, the fraternity said:

We ask for your prayers for the repose of the soul of Fr. Walker and that God might grant great consolation to his family and his parishioners in this terrible tragedy. Fr. Walker was ordained a priest in 2012, and was 28 years old.

Oremus:

O God, Who didst give to thy servant, Kenneth, by his sacerdotal office, a share in the priesthood of the Apostles, grant, we implore, that he may also be one of their company forever in Heaven. Through Christ our Lord. Amen.

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- CNN Belief Blog

Filed under: Catholic Church • Guns • Houses of worship

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  1. new-man

    igaftr : How do you "know"? You should not be able to answer that question.

    It's quite simple actually – a house divided against itself cannot stand. duh? why would satan fight against himself?

    June 16, 2014 at 3:53 pm |
    • igaftr

      That does not answer the question. all you did was show you do not know the mind of Satan.
      How do you know what you think is your god, isn't co-incidence, perfectly explainable if you have the correct knowledge, delusion, or (pick any name of any supernatural thing here).

      Don't tap dance away, don't deflect, don't answer a question with a question...how do you KNOW?

      June 16, 2014 at 4:00 pm |
      • new-man

        that was more of a rhetorical question than anything else.

        in any event, I know because of Jesus. Jesus came to reveal God and His will to us. He did.
        If you could explain away Jesus, then you could explain away God. The truth is, you can't.
        another commenter said it so much better- sorry I don't have her name to give her credit: "The existence of Jesus Christ qualifies everything. It qualifies the scriptures, and it qualifies that God exists. The very existence of Jesus Christ is irrefutable proof that God exists. And it cannot be otherwise…"

        June 16, 2014 at 4:09 pm |
        • igaftr

          You still did not answer the question

          Jesus likely lived, but there is nothing verifying he was anything more than any other man...nothing. No verification of any of the supernatural claims at all.

          So again, how do you know?

          How do you know what you believe is god, is not something entirely different. Just because you WANT it to be your god, how did you confirm it is YOUR god, and how did you exclude the infinite other possibilities.
          Please try to answer the question this time.

          June 16, 2014 at 4:36 pm |
        • G to the T

          Doesn't have to have been Jesus.

          Considering all of the christian chruches today derive from Paul's beliefs, how easy would it have been to give Paul a "vision" of Jesus that was false. A vision that not only separated Jews from God, but also ensured the Pagans would never have the chance to be a part of God's people?

          I'm not saying it happened, but it certainly would make sense, and not have anything to do with who Jesus actually was/did/taught.

          June 17, 2014 at 2:42 pm |
        • kermit4jc

          @ G to the T Paul taught what the disciples (apostles) taught. He was given the right hand of fellowship (see Galatians) He went to see the disciples, not to shoot the breeze, but to reaffirm what he was taught and what he is teaching...if he was teaching heresy, the disciples owuld not given him the right hand of fellowship. Plus Peter and Paul acknowledged each others letters to be Scripture (see 1st Timothy) and Peters epistles

          June 18, 2014 at 6:06 pm |
  2. new-man

    Release The Power In You!
    Ephesians 3:20 Now to Him who is able to do exceedingly abundantly above all that we ask or think, according to the power that works in us,

    How much power is working in you right now? God’s Word says that there is “power that works in us”. It is a tremendous power that shakes the heavens and the earth because it comes from the throne of God, “who is able to do exceedingly abundantly above all that we ask or think”! The problem, however, is that many of us don’t release that power.

    God wants us to release that power because there are things that will not happen on earth until we do so. Jesus said that “whatever you bind on earth will be bound in heaven, and whatever you loose on earth will be loosed in heaven”. (Matthew 16:19) What Jesus is saying is that what you permit to happen, heaven will permit. What you disallow, heaven will disallow!

    So how do we release God’s power in us? One way is to pray in tongues. When we allow His Spirit to make intercession for us (Romans 8:26), miracles happen.

    Some time ago, the aunt of a church member underwent surgery to remove a diseased kidney. In spite of the surgery, the prognosis was poor. At home, the church member and his wife were prompted by the Spirit to release the power that works in them by praying in tongues for their aunt.

    Back at the hospital, the aunt underwent further observation. When an X-ray of her abdominal area was taken, the doctor was shocked to find two healthy kidneys. Five other doctors were consulted who subsequently examined the aunt. At first, they thought that the surgeon who had performed the operation had made a mistake and did not remove the diseased kidney. But further investigation showed that the kidney had indeed been removed. They could not explain what had happened.

    But the church member and his wife needed no explanation because they knew that when they released the power that worked in them, God did exceedingly abundantly above all that they could ask or think—He gave their aunt a new kidney.

    Beloved, He can do the same for you when you pray in the Spirit and release the power that works in you!

    Thought For The Day: When we allow the Holy Spirit to make intercession for us by praying in tongues, miracles happen.
    JPM

    June 16, 2014 at 2:37 pm |
    • igaftr

      Advertisement for a baseless belief system.

      June 16, 2014 at 2:39 pm |
      • new-man

        in case it's skipped your notice, this is a "Belief Blog".
        My belief in Yahweh Elohim, obviously is baseless to you; however, I assure you, it is quite POWERFUL to me, and those around me, and that's all that matters!

        Blessings!

        June 16, 2014 at 2:42 pm |
        • igaftr

          Yes, It is amazing what people will convince themselves of.

          In your story above, where is the correlation to "god"...ahhh yes, nowhere, and yet you claim a causation...again, you have convinced yourself it is quite powerful indeed.

          June 16, 2014 at 2:45 pm |
        • Reality

          So waste your time and money living in a world of myths and fantasies.

          June 16, 2014 at 2:46 pm |
        • neverbeenhappieratheist

          Live Action D & D Role Player: "My belief in Asmodeus, obviously is baseless to you; however, I assure you, it is quite POWERFUL to me, and those around me, and that's all that matters! Lighting Bolt! Lightning Bolt!" as he throws small blue colored bean bags at you...

          June 16, 2014 at 2:49 pm |
        • new-man

          are you that removed from God and the things of God that you cannot even recognize that it's the Power Of God that works in us and through us!
          Without HIM we can do Nothing.

          June 16, 2014 at 2:56 pm |
        • neverbeenhappieratheist

          "Without HIM we can do Nothing."

          So why do many people on the other side of the planet not worship "HIM" but claim their God or gods are what make them function? They do not worship your God and yet they seem to have all the same benefits and problems, they have generous, loving, caring, humble people as well as angry, bitter, resentful, hateful people, just like we have among Christians. All sides pray to their Gods for power and yet no one actually gets any aid for if they did and worshiped the true God then they would win, would they not? The Christian God has become just another generic mascot like the Jolly Green Giant, there to attempt to get your attention and then to sell you something. How many of those pennies given to organized religion ever found their way to heaven? Not a one.

          June 16, 2014 at 3:17 pm |
        • igaftr

          newman
          Are you so convinced that you are right that you can't see the infinite other possibilities?

          June 16, 2014 at 3:21 pm |
        • new-man

          the rain [Blessing] falls on the house of the righteous and on the house of the unrighteous. This is the goodness, love and mercy of God!

          June 16, 2014 at 3:22 pm |
        • igaftr

          newman
          "the rain [Blessing] falls on the house of the righteous and on the house of the unrighteous. This is the goodness, love and mercy of God!

          More belief. You are throwing smoke and sand.

          June 16, 2014 at 3:25 pm |
        • new-man

          I've seen and experienced the power of God, so yeah I know I'm right, Yahweh Elohim is my God.
          Since you've not seen nor experienced the power of God, then understandably you're still searching for one of the "infinite possibilities"- to which I say, hurry up and make a decision, you have only a limited amount of time in this earthly physical realm.

          June 16, 2014 at 3:25 pm |
        • neverbeenhappieratheist

          the rain [Blessing] falls on the house of the righteous and on the house of the unrighteous. This is the reality of physics that show the sun evaporating water which rises into the air forming clouds which get pushed higher over land masses where they cool and drop water upon both our houses because the water cycle couldn't care less where either of us stick certain body parts...

          June 16, 2014 at 3:29 pm |
        • igaftr

          Yes newman, you have convinced yourself of gos. You want whatever you cannot explain to be god, so you have convinced yourself it is not only god , but the exact god you imagine.

          Tell me, how do you know what you claim is god, is not actually Satan leading you down his wonderful road to purgetory? He would make it all seem wonderful, being a great deceiver. How do you know that it wasn't Satan who inspired your bible, and that everything in it is not actually an afront to "god" ( which of course would not be the god you imagine)?
          How do you "know"?

          You should not be able to answer that question.

          June 16, 2014 at 3:30 pm |
        • new-man

          "This is the reality of physics that show the sun evaporating water which rises into the air forming clouds which get pushed higher over land masses where they cool and drop water upon both our houses because the water cycle couldn't care less where either of us stick certain body parts..."

          If this is 100% true, why then is that Mount Gilboa, which was cursed by King David, still to this very day has bald spots because not even dew falls on that area?
          “Ye mountains of Gilboa, let there be no dew, neither let there be rain, upon you, nor fields of offerings: for there the shield of the mighty is vilely cast away, the shield of Saul, as though he had not been anointed with oil....” (Samuel II 1:21)
          "Today indeed despite the efforts of modern Israeli farming and forestation by the Jewish National Fund, huge bald gaps confirm David’s curse."

          June 16, 2014 at 3:37 pm |
        • neverbeenhappieratheist

          lol. Please provide evidence that this place previously had regular downpours. Otherwise its much like the Atacama Desert in the Andes which is the driest place on earth, or did David curse that one too?

          June 16, 2014 at 3:44 pm |
        • new-man

          LOL.
          do the research yourself.

          June 16, 2014 at 3:49 pm |
        • igaftr

          Mount Gilboa? Seriously? Rain does fall, dew does form, but because of the high level of clay in the soil, it cannot absorb, so no trees will grow. Wild flowers grow in abundance at certain times of the year.
          Your "curse" is simply an old legend of an area that they could not grow things on, so they created a legend to explain it. We know better now.

          June 16, 2014 at 3:51 pm |
        • new-man

          you do realize the other parts of that very same mountain is forested, have dew and rainfall and does quite well... *sigh*

          June 16, 2014 at 3:57 pm |
        • igaftr

          newman
          Have you never seen Whiteface Mountain in the Adirondacks. It is so called because of the barren white face on one side. It is on giant boulder. Lichen grow on it. The rest of the mountian is heavily forested. The clay in parts of Mount Gilboa prevent large plants from growing (note in certain parts)

          So Whiteface mountain is a cursed spot too? heavy sigh...

          June 16, 2014 at 4:06 pm |
        • new-man

          hmm...somehow scripture neglected to mention David cursing a particular area of Whiteface Mountain because Jonathan fell there in battle.

          June 16, 2014 at 4:21 pm |
        • new-man

          it has nothing to do with clays.
          I guess you missed "Today indeed despite the efforts of modern Israeli farming and forestation by the Jewish National Fund, huge bald gaps confirm David’s curse."

          June 16, 2014 at 4:26 pm |
        • igaftr

          newman.
          You are taking an old legend and adding credibility to it because clay is located at certain places on the mountain?
          That verifies nothing, just shows the people who wrote the stories knew things would not grow there and water was not absorbed there...they then wrote a story about it. That verifies absolutely nothing.
          It simply shows that supernatural stories grow out of ignorance. Like I said, we know better now.

          June 16, 2014 at 4:28 pm |
        • igaftr

          By the way newman, YOU just wrote that Whiteface was cursed, and since it is in writing, it is scripture...amazing.
          All that scripture means is that someone wrote it down. It says nothing of the validity of what is written.

          June 16, 2014 at 4:31 pm |
        • Akira

          If Mt. Gilboa was cursed, why isn't the whole thing "bald?"

          June 16, 2014 at 4:32 pm |
        • igaftr

          Akira
          It is a case of Mountain Pattern Baldness. Likely the mountians grandafther on his mothers side was bald too.

          June 16, 2014 at 4:40 pm |
        • Akira

          Mount Pattern Baldness. The bane of mounts everywhere. Insidious.

          June 16, 2014 at 5:07 pm |
        • igaftr

          akira
          There are plenty of people out there who prefer their mountians bald.

          June 16, 2014 at 5:14 pm |
    • neverbeenhappieratheist

      If there was even the tiniest ounce of power we would be able to observe and test its influence. And yet, like a car without gas sitting on a level highway, their faith goes no where no matter how hard you pray for it to move.

      Thought For The Day: When they imagine allowing some Holy Spirit to make intercession for them by praying in tongues, still nothing happens, and they have been trying to produce miracles this way for thousands of years. Not a single shred of anything supernatural or miraculous has ever been recorded and verified, ever.

      June 16, 2014 at 2:46 pm |
      • new-man

        "yet, like a car without gas sitting on a level highway,"
        unfortunately, this is the power that works in you and many others, which is why you see and experience nothing! Then you try to put it back on God.

        June 16, 2014 at 2:53 pm |
        • neverbeenhappieratheist

          If any of the power you claim worked in anyone it could be tested and verified. However since the "power" you speak of is always some subjective internal opinion then it can't be tested objectively and is thus pure conjecture much like someone claiming a suger pill placebo cured them of their ills.

          Your God is a suger pill and if you like it then keep taking it, just don't try to sell others on your snake oil cure.

          June 16, 2014 at 2:58 pm |
        • new-man

          you clearly have no idea what you're talking about.
          this is your reality, where YOU DO NOT see the power of God working in and through others, therefore you arrogantly and stupidly claim it's not true.
          Get out more, research more, look around you, it's not difficult to find people who are working and walking in Power.

          You don't need to take my word for it, seek for yourself instead of coming on here repeating nonsense for which YOU have no proof. Because YOU don't know anyone who can demonstrated the POWER of God, doesn't mean they aren't around- it just means YOU DON'T KNOW THEM!

          June 16, 2014 at 3:05 pm |
        • neverbeenhappieratheist

          Please provide any verified evidence of any human having "the power of God" within them, otherwise you are just a toothless dog barking at reality.

          June 16, 2014 at 3:09 pm |
        • new-man

          ahhh yes, the ole "please provide any verified evidence"... others should seek to GIVE you the proof because you're too lazy to seek for yourself. You're the one looking to be convinced, not me... that makes you the toothless dog barking at a reality that must be presented to you, instead of you experiencing it!

          June 16, 2014 at 3:15 pm |
        • neverbeenhappieratheist

          "you're too lazy to seek for yourself" the finery of our Emperors invisible clothes!

          Not lazy, just sick and tired after 30 years of fruitless searches I finally found what makes me happy. Loving others and not giving a shlt about tradition, not "honoring" my parents by accepting their religion just because their religion tells me to, and if I see someone who needs help I don't pray for them, I reach out my hand. Every hungry person fed was fed by another human reaching out their hand, not some religion. Religion hides its corrosive properties behind a veil of charity. Ultimately every religion thinks theirs and only theirs is the true religion and all others will eventually be destroyed, so they hide their desire for the destruction of those that disagree with them behind words of piety and love. And all of them secretly seethe and gnash their teeth at the powerlessness of their religion to fulfill their own selfish desires to prove to the world that they chose correctly.

          June 16, 2014 at 3:39 pm |
        • new-man

          friend,
          I am not religious, and no one should be. indeed you are speaking of the religious traditions of men which have made the word of God of no effect in their lives and in the lives of others.

          I agree, when you see a person in need of food and shelter, you don't need to pray about it, you give it to them. in like manner, when you see a sick person, you don't need to pray about it, you heal them. that's what Jesus told us to do, He didn't tell us to pray about it.
          Most people don't know what prayer is. These are examples of prayer and how to pray. Nothing long and begging and beseeching.
          1. Be healed, in Jesus Name.
          2. Father I thank you for over-abundance.
          3. You will live and not die, in Jesus' Name.
          4. I command life in Jesus' Name.

          June 16, 2014 at 3:47 pm |
  3. igaftr

    Looks like they may have caught the guy... a career criminal with an violent history who got out of prison in April this year.

    June 16, 2014 at 1:18 pm |
    • otoh2

      Thank you so much for the update.

      This guy looks horribly scary:

      http://www.azfamily.com/news/Mass-for-murdered-priest-held-this-morning-investigation-continues-263280891.html

      June 16, 2014 at 2:05 pm |
      • Akira

        Mercy! That guy is crazy scary looking!

        I am glad he was apprehended.

        June 16, 2014 at 2:14 pm |
      • I'm not a GOPer, nor do I play one on TV

        This is just sad. So here we have another case of a gun intended for self defense, being the instrument of death of a person it was intended to defend.

        Yes, I know these priests lived in a really bad neighborhood and presumably felt they "needed" a gun.

        The myth that gun ownership is an effective deterrent to personal crime is busted once more. In this case gun ownership was a proximate cause of the fatality.

        This is sad on many levels.

        June 17, 2014 at 12:15 pm |
  4. kermit4jc

    Why do religious people feel the need to recruit? Why can’t you be satisfied that you’ll get into heaven<-how about having compassion for you? that we would not like to see you go to hell??? ever thought of that?

    June 14, 2014 at 2:11 am |
    • TruthPrevails1

      How about this...your god is not the only believed in and you would not appreciate someone preaching it to you, so have some respect and treating others better?? As far as any hardcore peer-reviewed evidence goes, there is none for your god or anything that pertains to it. (sorry your personal experience does not count for true evidence to anyone but you).
      When you provide the peer-reviewed evidence for your god, we'll have reason to accept it but until then we will continue using the logical stance that your god doesn't exist.
      It is not your business what others believe, focus on your own life and mind your own business when it comes to others-the world would be a better place if you could learn to do that. Even if heaven or hell did exist (extremely highly unlikely), it is very likely that you wouldn't be going to heaven for the simple fact that every time you judge a person based on what they do with their lives you're breaking your own biblical rules...enjoy your time in your fictional hell. Learn to follow the Golden Rule.

      June 14, 2014 at 6:43 am |
      • kermit4jc

        @truthprevails How about this…your god is not the only believed in and you would not appreciate someone preaching it to you,<-how abou tthis you shuty up and stop making such silly assumptions about me...It wouldn't bother me a bit..i can always 8ignore....IM not uptight about others preaching to me...abnd other people can learn to ignore it if they don't like it...you think I control your mind when I preach..or do yo uhave your own mind that you can ignore it? You do it day in and day out in everything else in life..from TV commercials and such...you select what you want to take in....

        June 16, 2014 at 5:31 pm |
        • TruthPrevails1

          Shut up?? Really?? Where did you learn manners?
          As for making silly assumptions, nothing as<summed-you claimed it is your duty to preach and I've merely explained why you're wrong. Thankfully you're not in control of much..not your own mind, at least not as long as you follow Christianity and fail to follow the GOLDEN RULE.
          Grow up kermi and take a manners course! I know 2 year olds with better manners.

          June 16, 2014 at 6:29 pm |
        • kermit4jc

          Im in control of mmy mind..yes I do make mistakes..we all do..even you....as I was saying..YOUR problem is YOU assume too much of what people want..as you arrogantly assumed I don't like preaching by other religions...just back off on those type of assumptions and LEARN TO ASK QUESTIONS next time ok? asking questions help yo to learn

          June 17, 2014 at 2:20 am |
    • G to the T

      Then lead by example. If following Jesus truly makes you a better person, be that person. If enough people do, other's will notice and want to know why. Then you can share your "good news".

      How many have been damned to hell because the people who brought god's word were inept and/or poor in their faith?

      June 14, 2014 at 8:24 am |
      • midwest rail

        Indeed. Based on what we see from the Christian bloggers on these pages, why would anyone want what they claim to have ? Why would anyone want to be like them ?

        June 14, 2014 at 8:27 am |
    • realbuckyball

      Because on some level they know it's all BS. If they can get other intelligent people to buy into it, it's self-affirming, and spreads around the stupid.

      June 14, 2014 at 6:30 pm |
    • AtheistSteve

      The only thought that comes to my mind is that if heaven is populated with self righteous nitwits like salero21, thefinisher, Vic, awanderingscot, Theo and you then it's clearly a horrible place to end up. You can keep it all to yourselves.

      June 17, 2014 at 7:20 am |
    • G to the T

      "how about having compassion for you?"

      That is a great quality to possess. That being said, if you are so poor a messanger as it appears on these blogs, then perhaps the more compassionate approach would be to live by example. If following Jesus really does contribute to your well-being, then people will likely want to know why... and then you can tell them.

      Otherwise you are like a phone solicitor, your message (no matter how good it is) will be seen in a negative light, not because of it's content, but because of your timing/delivery...

      June 17, 2014 at 11:55 am |
      • kermit4jc

        You are correct..and I am trying to fix that..thanks

        June 17, 2014 at 12:00 pm |
        • G to the T

          You are quite welcome. And thank you for the various discussions we've had here in the past. I've always enjoyed seeing other people's points of view on such fundamental issues.

          June 17, 2014 at 12:23 pm |
  5. tallulah131

    The 15 year old mormon boy from Troutdale, OR, who killed a classmate and shot a teacher before killing himself, wrote in his journal that he planned to killer sinners. Sinners, in his mind were people who "smoked cigarettes or used the Lord's name in vain."

    Again, good people are good, bad people are bad. Religion does little more than create an excuse.

    June 14, 2014 at 12:21 am |
    • kermit4jc

      Again, good people are good, bad people are bad. Religion does little more than create an excuse.<-I agree with you that religion is used as an EXCUSE..ratherthan religionbeing the problem....since if we got rid of religion, people would still hate and find excuses to hate....the problem isn't religion..its humans themselves

      June 14, 2014 at 2:15 am |
      • tallulah131

        Religion has been used as an excuse for thousands of atrocities. You'd think that we would have evolved past that by now.

        June 14, 2014 at 3:16 am |
        • kermit4jc

          Religion has been used as an excuse for thousands of atrocities. You’d think that we would have evolved past that by now.<-we are never going to evolve away from hatred of others...humans are self centered....they hate and will always hate

          June 14, 2014 at 3:23 am |
        • TruthPrevails1

          This is what happens when young innocent minds are brainwashed to believe so strongly. Andrea Yates is a prime example; the Schiables are two more examples. While not all will go to that extreme, many others will.
          "Religion is an insult to human dignity. With or without it you would have good people doing good things and evil people doing evil things. But for good people to do evil things, that takes religion. " Steven Weinberg

          June 14, 2014 at 6:48 am |
        • kermit4jc

          your argument is weak....yates and all were NOT following the Bible! what they did was UNBIBLCAL..so YOU cannot use that against Christianity but the ABUSE of it by people who don't know what they are doing (such as yates) and thus you canot get rid of religion because of that argument....

          June 17, 2014 at 2:10 am |
        • TruthPrevails1

          kermi: Yates was as much a Christian as you. She believed that her children wouldn't get to heaven...she used her BELIEF and it doesn't matter if think it is biblical or not, it is what it is. Your bible is full of horror stories where innocent people are slaughtered, in fact your own god demands idolatry or else it will make people suffer-such a vindictive murderous ass.
          You are a bully yourself...lacking manners; lacking intelligence in the 21st century and acting like a 5 year old when people disagree with you. Such a poor rep for your belief-thank you for doing secularism a favor by showing people why not to follow your belief system-normal rational minded people wouldn't want to be near someone like you-such a hateful person.
          Try living in the 21st century or locate a cave and move there please...you're a blemish on the human race-one that you're helping to wipe out by denying facts and instead waiting for your imaginary friend to save your sorry ass.

          June 17, 2014 at 3:52 am |
        • kermit4jc

          HOW do YOU know she was as muych Christian as I am...again..NONE of her actions was Biblical! Yates problem was she had mental issues to begin with!!

          June 17, 2014 at 5:03 am |
        • kermit4jc

          You are a bully yourself…lacking manners<-look in the mirror hypocrite

          June 17, 2014 at 5:04 am |
        • TruthPrevails1

          kermi: No, I'm not a bully...I'm not the one telling people to shut up or trying to deny equal rights. I merely have pointed out where you fail in the 21st century in how you think...I'm sorry the truth and FACTS based on hard core evidence scare you.

          As for Yates, she is a Christian...she follows your book making you equal and from your posts and your claims that god speaks to you, I'd be willing to wager that if your imaginary friend told you to harm you'd follow through. She was diagnosed as suffering from Religious Psychosis. The only difference between you and her is your interpretation of the bible but it all comes from the same grand book of mythology in the end. She grew up religious and held those beliefs firm. Your bible talks of stoning children...so please don't try to make it seem like your imaginary friend doesn't approve of murder when it is the greatest proponent of murder. You're not the only one who comprehends what the bible says, some of us just are not foolish enough to say "well it's gods, he can do what he wants".

          June 17, 2014 at 6:28 am |
        • kermit4jc

          kermi: No, I’m not a bully…I’m not the one telling people to shut up or trying to deny equal rights. I merely have pointed out where you fail in the 21st century in how you think…I’m sorry the truth and FACTS based on hard core evidence scare you.<-you are a bully..you name call and all kinds of c r a p towards blogers in here.and as for thinking.I do think..thank you very much..just because we disagree doesn't mean I don't think...get off your arrogant horse

          June 17, 2014 at 9:47 am |
        • TruthPrevails1

          wow kermi, pot meet kettle...such hypocrisy...so it's okay for you to belittle people but when others do it, it somehow isn't? You get the treatment you give in this world...you are a hateful, angry bigot who justifies this via Christianity.

          June 17, 2014 at 12:09 pm |
        • kermit4jc

          I don't hate..and if you were responding to what I said to truthprevails..IM only talking to them about their whining, they were whining about how they were being treated when they have been actually doing it worse than I ever did here..if you wanna say what you said to me, perhaps you should say that to truthprevails

          June 17, 2014 at 12:11 pm |
        • TruthPrevails1

          kermi: I have never told anyone to shut up, nor have I called them stupid-I think your beliefs are stupid, I think you come across as being uneducated in regards to many things-none of which merit you being called stupid or being told to shut up...so please don't lie. You can't compare when you yourself can be rather vicious to people.

          June 17, 2014 at 2:07 pm |
        • kermit4jc

          quit whining..that is my point..you do it too..doesn't matter if youre worse or not...stop whining and move on...youre just being hypocritical..IM not whining about you doing stuff..I just iggy it

          June 17, 2014 at 2:16 pm |
        • TruthPrevails1

          no kermi, I have the right to confront your claims, just as you the right to confront other peoples claims...you don't seem to pick on anyone outside of myself and Doris-why is that? Why is it you never answer the questions posed to you without reverting back to people not understanding your god or twisting their words. My husband answered you earlier today and I would tend to agree with him...if heaven is supposedly full of people like, I want no part of it.

          June 17, 2014 at 2:22 pm |
        • kermit4jc

          when you stop making such comments as you have to me...I will respond..as Isaid..IM not whining..just ignoring...you want a civil discussion..lets go for it..Ill be civil as well..the moment you do the usual cr a p you have done..its over..ok? not going to waste my time

          June 17, 2014 at 2:28 pm |
      • saggyroy

        It would eliminate part of the problem.

        June 14, 2014 at 8:23 am |
        • fintronics

          A step in the right direction.

          June 16, 2014 at 11:15 am |
        • kermit4jc

          it woukld not eliminate hate..sorry....THAT is the problem..hate comes because of HUMANS..not religion..not guns...not cars knives..but HUMANS

          June 17, 2014 at 2:11 am |
        • TruthPrevails1

          kermi: Right, it wouldn't eliminate hate but what it would do is stop people from hating based on mythological stories ingrained in them by people like you who inadvertently hate based on their belief. If you didn't have your bible, you'd have no reason to speak out against LGBT or abortion or or or....keep your belief in your home and church and respect all others, until then you yourself are part of the hate that religion fosters...an issue that shouldn't be tolerated ever.

          June 17, 2014 at 4:00 am |
        • kermit4jc

          I hate no one...period....don't speak for me..thanks..thats pretty arrogant

          June 17, 2014 at 5:04 am |
        • TruthPrevails1

          kermi: Prove you hate no-one!!! Tell us you support equal rights for LGBT...that will show you don't hate but until you can do that, it is safe to assume you do hate. Tell us you don't believe that non-believers are going to hell-that would also show you don't hate. Tell us that women have the right to do with their body as they wish-that would also show you don't hate. Your idea of love is not normal and is based off of book that reaches hatred unless you follow the immoral guidelines set out in it...none of which have any pertinence anywhere.

          June 17, 2014 at 6:32 am |
        • kermit4jc

          kermi: Prove you hate no-one!!! Tell us you support equal rights for LGBT…<–you don't know hate....I don't hate the people because I deny them "rights" that's YOUR perspective...I do not hate the people...my cousin would have cussed you out of town telling you I have no hatred in me...and she was a lesbian...we grew up together ..she was a month younger than me....she knew I loved her despite my beliefs....

          June 17, 2014 at 9:49 am |
        • Doc Vestibule

          It must grieve you to think that your lesbian cousin is doomed to eternal suffering for the way God made her.
          "You're an unregenerate sinner doing the work of Satan and will reap a reward of unending torment – but I love you!"

          June 17, 2014 at 9:55 am |
        • kermit4jc

          It must grieve you to think that your lesbian cousin is doomed to eternal suffering for the way God made her.
          “You’re an unregenerate sinner doing the work of Satan and will reap a reward of unending torment – but I love you!”<-whered you get that kind of bull? I believe my cousin has gone to heaven....she accepted the Lord....and I do not approach it that way with her....and suffering cause the way God made her?...she made the choice....no stupid blame games here.....

          June 17, 2014 at 10:07 am |
        • midwest rail

          No one "chooses" to be gay.

          June 17, 2014 at 10:10 am |
        • kermit4jc

          they do choose to be gay.....people want to say they are "born with it"....its an old excuse so you can do as you please...

          June 17, 2014 at 10:11 am |
        • midwest rail

          Absolute hogwash. YOU choose to believe they choose to justify your own behavior.

          June 17, 2014 at 10:13 am |
        • kermit4jc

          uh huuuuh riiiiight...suuuuuure

          June 17, 2014 at 11:32 am |
        • observer

          kermit4jc,

          Tell us about when you CHOSE to be hetero. Did you stop playing with dolls and decide that playing solider was more fun? Did you talk to gays and decide to choose being hetero?.

          Please tell us all about your DECISION to be hetero.

          June 17, 2014 at 10:17 am |
        • Doc Vestibule

          You don't think lesbians go to Hell?
          I find that surprising, but good for you.
          Most Christians spout Romans and Corinthians to justify their condemnation of ho.mose.xuality.

          But seriously – people don't get to chose the gender to which they are attracted.
          Do you really think that one day, kids in cultures that revile gays wake up one morning and decide "well, I naturally lust for women, but from now on it's all about peni.ses for me! I can't wait to be ostracised by my community, disowned by my parents and assaulted by my peers!"
          Do you remember to point at which you decided to be straight?

          June 17, 2014 at 10:21 am |
        • kermit4jc

          You don’t think lesbians go to Hell?
          I find that surprising, but good for you.
          Most Christians spout Romans and Corinthians to justify their condemnation of ho.mose.xuality.<–Idid nto say that.....SINNERS go to heaven when they accept Jesus as Savior and repent.....no..she did not stop choosing to be lesbian....she didn't have time to...she passed away a few months after she accepted the Lord. There is no "RESET" button that once you accept Jesus you quit doing things overnight. Its a lifelong process...for her it was only a few months

          June 17, 2014 at 11:34 am |
        • kermit4jc

          Do you really think that one day, kids in cultures that revile gays wake up one morning and decide “well, I naturally lust for women, but from now on it’s all about peni.ses for me! I can’t wait to be ostracised by my community, disowned by my parents and assaulted by my peers!”<-very silly.....its nota one time decision..its a process....so NO..I do not think they wake up one morning and think this..ALSO... using the disowned by perers and such is a pretty lame argument....if you want to go that route we could say same thing about Christianity..its not a choice, since we did not choose to be taunted and disowned by people and peers.....cant have your cake and eat it too

          June 17, 2014 at 11:37 am |
        • Doc Vestibule

          Studies prove that se.xual orientation is a choice.
          Which studies, you ask? Why, all the ones that I read. And no, I won't cite them. You have to take it on faith.
          Just ask this Scientician!
          http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FB-JO2j7MEQ

          June 17, 2014 at 10:30 am |
        • midwest rail

          "...its an old excuse so you can do as you please..."
          Yes, it is an old excuse that you use. Imagine if there really was a "gay agenda" (another evangelical myth) and as part of that agenda they had a book they all referenced that called for Christians to be stoned to death. The outrage would be deafening.

          June 17, 2014 at 10:45 am |
        • kermit4jc

          So kermi claims to be a trained psycho-something but does not accept the current view of the psycho organizations that ho.mos3xuality is not a choice. Interesting. . <-MYTHS..to assume ALL psychologists and psychiatrists agree on everything.....sorry dude...take off the rose colored glasses

          June 17, 2014 at 11:38 am |
        • Akira

          Nobody "chooses" to be gay. One either is, or isn't. Nobody "chooses" to be hetero, either. One either is, or isn't.
          One cannot "choose" what gender to be attracted to. This is physiology at its most base.

          June 17, 2014 at 11:42 am |
        • kermit4jc

          Says SOME..not all

          June 17, 2014 at 11:49 am |
        • Akira

          Well, obviously not those who view psychology, biology, and physiology through the lens of their religious lens to see if it is comparable with their religious beliefs.

          June 17, 2014 at 11:57 am |
        • observer

          kermit4jc,

          Tell us about when you CHOSE to be hetero. Did you stop playing with dolls and decide that playing solider was more fun? Did you talk to gays and decide to choose being hetero?.

          Please tell us all about your DECISION to be hetero.

          STILL WAITING to hear about how you made your DECISION to be hetero.

          June 17, 2014 at 4:19 pm |
        • kermit4jc

          I dont know when it was..its not one decision..it is not something you flip on and off at a whim..its always a process...and even if I cannot tell you that moment when it was..that doesn't mean I didn't choose...sorry I cannot give you any mor einfo

          June 17, 2014 at 5:29 pm |
        • observer

          kermit4jc

          "I dont know when it was..its not one decision".

          You said that s3xual orientation is a DECISION. Now you are contradicting yourself. Make up your mind.

          When did you make the DECISION to be a hetero? Did you experiment as a gay to make that decision? Did you do research? At what age did you DECIDE?

          June 17, 2014 at 8:02 pm |
        • kermit4jc

          excuse me? sheesh..playing semantics here ok? I am not contradicting myself..it is NOT a ONE tim decision..its a PROCESS ..not like you wake up one morning and say Ill e gay today...

          June 18, 2014 at 2:02 am |
        • kermit4jc

          AS I said..I do NOT know when it was...it is a PROCESS..not a one time decision! ok? I never paid attention to it..I didn't keep a record of it or such

          June 18, 2014 at 2:03 am |
        • observer

          kermit4jc

          You likely "never paid attention to it" because you NEVER made any decision. LIke gays, your preference NEVER changed..

          June 18, 2014 at 2:09 am |
        • kermit4jc

          sure..like youknow MY life......sorry...that's not up to you..as I said it is a process....it was over TIME...there is not that exact moment it happened....

          June 18, 2014 at 2:17 am |
        • kermit4jc

          that does not deserve a response.....ask it in a better way and Ill think about responding ok? no references to cleaning toilets and such..thank you

          June 18, 2014 at 2:16 am |
        • observer

          kermit4jc

          "'sure..like youknow MY life......sorry...that's not up to you."

          There is a very important lesson there for you in your own words. I hope that you will be wise enough to listen to what you said and really think about it. While likely millions of gays say they were born that way, you are fantasizing that "you know THEIR life" and that they are lying or delusional. There are MANY MANY gays who wish they were straight and can't be. Yet you claim you know that it is a DECISION that they made, as if "YOU KNOW THEIR LIFE".

          You gave good advice. Now LISTEN to yourself.

          June 18, 2014 at 2:42 am |
        • kermit4jc

          thatis NOT what I meant..I will still styand by that it is a choice..what I meant for You to say was that YOU made a statement just because I didn't know exactly when it happened....

          June 18, 2014 at 3:28 am |
        • TruthPrevails1

          kermi: The fact remains that it is not a choice anyone makes regardless of what you may think. You have shown very clearly it isn't a choice when you didn't answer definitively about when you made the choice to be hetero.
          You can stand by your opinion all you wish, it still is wrong in the face of the evidence saying otherwise.
          It's a shame that you claim to love these people but yet secretly you believe they are sinning and breaking your gods rules...that's not love. They can't simply repent for being the way they were born nor do they have reason to...they're doing no harm to you or anyone in this world and the studies do prove that they are less likely to divorce their children are equal to yours and those same children are not turning out gay-so we know it's not something that they pick up on and it's not a phase...it's the way they were born.
          You should never pay heed to the ramblings of someone when their mind is shutting down at the time of severe distress...it is usually incoherent and is not a reflection of who they are. If your cousin repented it is due to people like you being clear on how she wouldn't get to the fictional place called heaven if she didn't...otherwise, she had done nothing wrong and didn't deserve to be chastised for it....she deserved better and I'm sorry you felt she needed to repent-that's a horrible thing to inflict on a person.

          June 18, 2014 at 4:16 am |
        • kermit4jc

          It’s a shame that you claim to love these people but yet secretly you believe they are sinning and breaking your gods rules…that’s not love.<-first of all..IMnot condemning them..God does..second..my love comes from wanting to see them NOT go hell....say all you wish..I do love them and as I said my cousin would curse you out of town for your remarks about me not living them...youre not gay...and so you don't know the love I have towards them...don't speak for gays on that ok?

          June 18, 2014 at 9:50 am |
        • neverbeenhappieratheist

          If you knew even a single gay person you would understand that they were gay all their life, they were born gay. The only "process" was the coming out to yourself first, accepting that you are not like your other hetro school mates, and then the slow, difficult, painful coming out process to your parents, friends, schoolmates and peers. But then you already have a preconceived idea of how its all supposed to work so who cares what actual people say or what scientific studies show on the matter, "gay is a choice because my religion says it is!" you poor stupid bas tar d...

          June 18, 2014 at 4:17 am |
        • kermit4jc

          I KNOW gay people..my COUSIN was a lesibian! SHe was a month younger than me..we were close..I KNOW what its all about....thus your response does not merit it.

          June 18, 2014 at 9:52 am |
        • observer

          kermit4jc,

          So did you cousin say she was born hetero and then made a DECISION to be gay?

          June 18, 2014 at 10:17 am |
        • Doc Vestibule

          @Kermi
          When I was a bachelor, I lived in my city's Gay Village.
          The reasons were various – it is located in the heart of downtown, the neighbours value privacy and tend to mind their own business, and while there might be a gang shooting two blocks over, the gang bangers don't wander into the Village (perhaps for fear of catching a case of The Gays?).
          Anyways, as you can imagine I came to know a lot of LGBT folk.
          Man, woman, gay, straight and everything in between – nobody ever said that they made a choice.
          My best friends were a lesbian couple who lived next door. We got to be close enough that we met each other's parents at various points and both of the girls' mothers said they knew their kids were gay from the time they were very young (IE: 5 or 6 years old).
          My kid is almost 8 and for years it has been clear to me that she likes boys.
          Orientation is innate, not chosen. Denying one's natural attraction, be it to the same or the opposite gender, frequently has severe psychological consequences.

          When I was a teenager, I knew a kid who sufferred from a degenerative eye disease in which scar tissue was slowly but steadily building over his corneas. His parents were devout Southern Baptists from Texas and told him that if he obeyed God's word and prayed hard enough every day that God would cure him.
          Needless to say, by the time we parted ways he was mostly blind, but even worse is that he was convinced that he was a terrible person because God did nothing.
          He felt that he was somehow at fault for the way his body was.

          Now, I'm not trying to say that being gay is an illness – but like my friend's eye problems, being gay is not a choice and no guilt-ridden entreaties to the supernatural can change it.

          June 18, 2014 at 10:21 am |
        • kermit4jc

          being gay is not a choice and no guilt-ridden entreaties to the supernatural can change it.<-there is good guilt and bad guilt...bad guilt is what yuo described....they felt worthless...good guilt says yuo are guilty and you admit to it..but it does not make you a worthless person..from god it is good...we HAVE worth..not cause of what we do..but that we are HIS Creaiton....thus youre making a generalization there.

          June 18, 2014 at 4:40 pm |
        • Akira

          Guilt tactics foisted upon someone born either gay or with a degenerative eye disease is psychological abuse, and those who engage in it are every bit as culpable as those who do nothing to oppose their inherent dignity to exist.
          Shame on people like this.
          Using God as a guilt tactic is reprehensible.

          June 18, 2014 at 4:45 pm |
        • kermit4jc

          I totally agree..but I do not use guilt tactics..neither does God..unfortunately there ARE Christians who do use it..but none that I personally know

          June 18, 2014 at 4:50 pm |
        • Akira

          Kermit, I was referring to the parents in Doc V's post.
          These kind of people infuriate me, and there are many out there who will use God as a way to further their agenda. You have to see this in your practice.
          This isn't an indictment against God, but the people.

          June 18, 2014 at 5:01 pm |
        • observer

          kermit4jc,

          Did your cousin say she was born hetero and then made a DECISION to be gay?

          June 18, 2014 at 5:06 pm |
    • I'm not a GOPer, nor do I play one on TV

      Arguably he's trying to emulate what he was taught about Jehovah needing to destroy everyone during the flood.

      The worst of the 'isms': (from the OED, hence the 'e's)

      judgementalism

      The quality of being judgemental; overly critical or moralistic behaviour.

      June 16, 2014 at 5:40 pm |
  6. kenmargo

    Why do religious people feel the need to recruit? Why can't you be satisfied that you'll get into heaven? I'm as religious as a rock. Wouldn't you be upset to see me in heaven? I'd probably cause all types of trouble, drink, spit and not bathe. Do you get a special place in heaven the more you "get". Is there a limit? Is there a minimum? When I die, should I mention your name? Please educate me!

    June 13, 2014 at 8:48 pm |
  7. new-man

    The Blood Alone Saves : [Exodus 12:13 Now the blood shall be a sign for you on the houses where you are. And when I see the blood, I will pass over you; and the plague shall not be on you to destroy you…]

    On the night of the first Passover, many of the children of Israel were probably anxious. Imagine one Israelite asking another nervously, “Did you hear that the angel of death is passing through tonight?”

    “Yes! We were told to put the blood of the lamb on the doorposts of our home and everything would be all right. Is that true?”

    Like the Israelites, you might be wondering, “Can the blood really protect me? How much blood do I have to put on my doorposts? Will the angel of death get me if I am fearful?”

    My friend, don’t add to God’s conditions. He said, “When I see the blood, I will pass over you and the plague shall not be on you to destroy you.” He did not say, “When I see the blood, plus your understanding, efforts, obedience, faithfulness and refusal to give in to fear, then I will pass over you.”

    It is the blood of Jesus alone that delivers you. If you think that it is because of your faith, then you will always be wondering, “Do I have enough faith?” No my friend, it is His blood alone that saves. And when God sees that you see that it is the blood alone that saves, He calls that faith in the blood, and every plague will pass over you!

    God wants you to know that it is Jesus’ blood alone that saves because every time you think that your deliverance depends partly on God and partly on you, you will not have a settled peace in your heart. But when you know that it is the blood alone that saves, you will have an unshakable peace.

    It was the blood that saved the children of Israel from the destroyer on that Passover night and it is still the blood that saves today. And all you need to do for the blood to avail is to say, “Father, I thank You that the blood of Jesus alone covers me and my family. No evil, plague or disaster will befall me or my family because of the blood!”

    Thought For The Day: When you know that it is Jesus’ blood alone that saves, you will enjoy unshakable peace.
    JPM

    June 13, 2014 at 11:18 am |
    • kenmargo

      zzzzzzzzzzzzz. worthless drivel zzzzzzzzzzzzz total crap zzzzzzzzzzzzz more BS zzzzzzzzzzzzzz

      June 13, 2014 at 2:46 pm |
      • new-man

        kenmargo,
        thank you, your opinion is duly noted. in reality, it makes no difference to me what you think of the blood that saves. the angels though, do rejoice for everyone who believes and has therefore passed from death=eternal separation from God into eternal life – experientially knowing God & having the very Spirit of the Living God inside you.

        Eternal life is not something you have only after you die, you have eternal life right now in this moment, right here on earth. We were created for intimacy, to have a relationship with God, to know Him the way Jesus knows the Father.

        June 13, 2014 at 3:45 pm |
        • kenmargo

          @new-man,

          Your quotes may sound nice, but it doesn't solve problems. Hungry kids can't eat quotes. Quotes can't keep the homeless warm. I want to see results, not prayers. I ask god the same thing i'll ask you. SOLVE A PROBLEM. If you ask me to pray, then I expect results. I'm not going to worship someone/thing that doesn't solve issues.

          June 13, 2014 at 3:58 pm |
        • new-man

          kenmargo,
          you are right in the sense that ANYONE just making quotes do not solve problems.
          however you are wrong that quotes/commands do not solve problems, because I assure you that a person making a command using the power and authority that Jesus restored to them can and do solve problems.

          You are wrong in thinking that the problems of this world are God's to solve. No.
          He gave the earth to man. Jesus came and took back the power and authority that the devil took from man, so man is now able to use his words to create, to speak life, to speak health/healing, to speak provisions. The reason you don't see this done on a larger scale is because so FEW people actually believe the word of God and even FEWER use the word of God to bring the kingdom of heaven to earth, to make the impossible possible.

          Lastly, all prayers are not the same. religious traditions void the power of prayer. just because you pray doesn't mean you're connecting with God. There is no virtue in prayer; there is virtue in communicating or in our relationship with God. If you're truly connecting with God then you will see results. the goal of prayer is to communicate with God and He with you.

          Everything that God is going to do on this earth He's already done. It takes us, to understand this and use our words to appropriate what God has already done. So if you want to see health and healing you need to speak it, command it in the name of Jesus. This goes for everything that you want to see. What ever you loose in earth will be loosed in heaven, meaning it's released to you.
          whatever you bind on earth, will be bound in heaven, meaning if you don't want to see it you bind it using your words in the name of Jesus. But this is too simple and crazy for the logical mind, so they sit in judgment of God instead of using the words He's given. Try it, I dare you.

          Blessings and Peace.

          June 13, 2014 at 4:13 pm |
        • kenmargo

          @new,

          More quotes, more useless junk. I don't need to try it, my life is fine. It's amazing everyone knows what god has done, is doing, is going to do, yet the same people can't figure out what to eat for lunch. That's why I don't go to church. I wouldn't give a preacher the time of day, so you know I won't give 'em any money.

          June 13, 2014 at 4:34 pm |
        • new-man

          in this case you should not complain about the injustices taking place and blaming God for it, because you have washed your hands of doing anything about them. Yes, your life is fine, but what about the sick and the homeless you've mentioned above. don't you no longer have compassion for their situation? If yes, then now you know you can do something about it, and all it requires are the words from your lips.

          while I am aware that most churches receive ti.thes, let me assure you that you do not have to return a ti.the because we are no longer under the Levitical Priesthood. Jesus is now our High Priest and is from the tribe of Judah. So save your money, and be absolved of any guilt or co.ndemnation that may come from a pulpit regarding the returning of ti.thes. God doesn't need your money or anyone else's for that matter.

          June 13, 2014 at 4:44 pm |
        • kenmargo

          New wrote:
          "in this case you should not complain about the injustices taking place and blaming God for it, because you have washed your hands of doing anything about them. '

          I'm doing the same thing god has done.

          New wrote:
          "Yes, your life is fine, but what about the sick and the homeless you've mentioned above. don't you no longer have compassion for their situation?"

          I've given money to the homeless, got people jobs, set an example etc. So yes I have compassion.

          New wrote:
          "If yes, then now you know you can do something about it, and all it requires are the words from your lips."

          Talk is cheap.

          New wrote:
          "God doesn't need your money or anyone else's for that matter."

          Really? The catholic church is loaded. I don't see the church giving away any money!

          June 13, 2014 at 5:11 pm |
        • new-man

          kenmargo,
          talk is only cheap when our words have no value because we choose to say words which hold no meaning, power or conviction to us and to those around us.
          I guarantee you, once you begin to realize the power of words, and once you see the created reality of words which are spoken under authority you'll no longer hold on to the premise that words are cheap. WORDS are powerful, we either speak life or death, blessings or curses with out words. Our words create our future, our words also influence the future of others.

          The Catholic church is not God, neither is it God's representative on earth. There is only one mediator between God and man, and that is Christ Jesus.

          As I've said before, it's all a finished work. Jesus has done everything that needs to be done in the earthly realm. He has restored all things back to man. It is us who haven't yet figured out that everything is already done and all we have to do is appropriate what God has already done for us, through faith.
          As Joseph Prince said above, when God sees that you see that it is [already a finished work, that He has already done everything, that Jesus sacrifice has restored all things- fellowship, forgiveness, health, provision, wholeness, etc., He calls that faith in the finished work, and therefore you can have whatever you say in Jesus' Name!]

          June 13, 2014 at 5:44 pm |
        • kenmargo

          @new......We'll just talk in circles. We won't agree and I'm happy for that. Reality will choose which one of us is right. Based on the suffering i see, It sadly looks like i'm right.

          June 13, 2014 at 6:07 pm |
        • Akira

          The Catholics are another denomination of the Christian Church. Like the Protestants are. Like the Mormons are. Like the Southern Baptists are. Like the Calvinists are. Like the Lutherans are. Like the Jehovah Witnesses are. Etcetera etcetera etcetera.
          All denominations of the same Christian Church. Period.

          June 13, 2014 at 6:23 pm |
        • kermit4jc

          @ akira All denominations of the same Christian Church. Period.<--not the actual treue Christian Church that jesus set forth....he claimed deity..yet JWs say he isn't God....Mormons say Jesus is a god...and rest of us are gods too..thats not Christianity that jesus set forth either.....youre making a broad statement with that akira

          June 13, 2014 at 6:31 pm |
        • Doris

          kermie: "not the actual treue Christian Church that jesus set forth"

          That's just your opinion, kermie. Christians are pretty fickle with their opinions about themselves and people they think they share or do not share beliefs with.

          "Millions of innocent men, women, and children, since the introduction of Christianity, have been burnt, tortured, fined, imprisoned; yet we have not advanced one inch towards uniformity. What has been the effect of coercion? To make one half the world fools, and the other half hypocrites. To support roguery and error all over the earth." -Thomas Jefferson

          June 13, 2014 at 6:42 pm |
        • kermit4jc

          That’s just your opinion, kermie. Christians are pretty fickle with their opinions about themselves and people they think they share or do not share beliefs with.<–not mere opinion...its from actually reading and studying the Bible.....and I wont burn torture or hate anyone who thinks otherwise..I will just try to show them the truth

          June 13, 2014 at 6:46 pm |
        • kermit4jc

          yet we have not advanced one inch towards uniformity. What has been the effect of coercion<-agreed..it isn't coercion...Jesus did not coerce...neither did he tell us to do so

          June 13, 2014 at 6:47 pm |
        • Akira

          Kermit, the Catholic Church is a denomination of the Christian Church. As are Protestants. Baptists. Mormon. JW's. Anabaptists. Episcopalian. COGIC. Quaker. Amish. Presbyrterian. Pentecostal. SDA. All are denominations of the Christian Church.
          You may think they're No True Scotsman, but the fact remains: they are all denominations of the Christian Church. Period.

          June 13, 2014 at 6:54 pm |
        • kermit4jc

          You may think they’re No True Scotsman, but the fact remains: they are all denominations of the Christian Church. Period.<-sure..in BROAD way they are...but in TRUTHFULNESS they are not...

          June 13, 2014 at 7:00 pm |
        • Akira

          Kermit, that doesn't change the fact that they are all denominations of the same religion.

          June 13, 2014 at 7:02 pm |
        • Doris

          kermie: "not mere opinion...its from actually reading and studying the Bible.....and I wont burn torture or hate anyone who thinks otherwise..I will just try to show them the truth"

          And this again just shows your arrogance that your interpretation is better than anyone else's. Sorry kermie, but since you're pretty dim yet hard-headed about this, let me be the one to inform you that there are plenty of others who feel quite the same about you and your interpretation. Of course some of them are actually aware of this "disconnect" between different types of Christians and therefore have learned some humility regarding their understanding and what they believe to be true.

          June 13, 2014 at 7:07 pm |
        • kermit4jc

          And this again just shows your arrogance that your interpretation is better than anyone else’s<-whats so arrogant abou tgetting it right? whats so arrogant about using context when others ignore it? so you saying wisdom abnd knowledge is arrogant?

          June 13, 2014 at 7:09 pm |
        • kermit4jc

          let me be the one to inform you that there are plenty of others who feel quite the same about you and your interpretation.<--siorry..too late..I already know others disagree..so what?

          June 13, 2014 at 7:10 pm |
        • Doris

          kermie: "in BROAD way they are...but in TRUTHFULNESS they are not..."

          –arrogance (that your version of truth is better than someone else's)

          kermie: "whats so arrogant abou tgetting it right?"

          –arrogance (that you think you know more than anyone else what it "right")

          kermie: "whats so arrogant about using context when others ignore it?"

          –arrogance (that you assume others ignore when they may not be ignoring anything, but have arrive at a different conclusion than you)

          June 13, 2014 at 7:15 pm |
        • kermit4jc

          doris..they outright admit to ignoring the context...and ok..you wanna play tha tgame..Scientists are ALSo arrogant...ESPECIALLY those who are pro evolution!! Don't play double minded here

          June 13, 2014 at 7:17 pm |
        • Akira

          I've only ever seen one self-described atheist say that context doesn't matter, here in BB.

          June 13, 2014 at 7:29 pm |
        • Doris

          Oh, so you're not only putting down others where you find their interpretation inferior or lacking completely, but also now speaking for them. Fine, kermie – be all the jerk you can be here. In the long run, I think you're an assist for atheists anyway.

          June 13, 2014 at 7:32 pm |
        • kermit4jc

          Oh, so you’re not only putting down others where you find their interpretation inferior or lacking completely, but also now speaking for them.<-I think YO uare the jerkhere for NOT reading my posts all the way..i made it VEzr yplain and CLEAR that the others have ADMITTED this to me!

          June 13, 2014 at 7:34 pm |
        • Akira

          And disagreement isn't arrogance. It's a difference of opinion.

          ar·ro·gant
          ˈarəgənt/
          adjective
          having or revealing an exaggerated sense of one's own importance or abilities.

          dis·a·gree·ment
          ˌdisəˈgrēmənt/
          noun
          lack of consensus or approval.

          Lest there be any misunderstanding.

          June 13, 2014 at 7:32 pm |
        • kermit4jc

          THANK you akira

          June 13, 2014 at 7:34 pm |
        • Doris

          kermie: "<-I think YO uare the jerkhere for NOT reading my posts all the way..i made it VEzr yplain and CLEAR that the others have ADMITTED this to me!"

          Oh really? Can you quote someone here telling you that they have admitted what you are claiming regarding interpretation?

          [Akira – part of posted definition of arrogance]: "having or revealing an exaggerated sense of one's own importance or abilities."

          Yes, that fits kermit to a tee in this discussion, imho.

          June 13, 2014 at 7:44 pm |
        • Doris

          kermie: "i made it VEzr yplain and CLEAR"

          LOL. I wouldn't trust anyone's interpretation of anything who is not only so sloppy with their typing here, but seems too lazy to quote others in a manner that's easily identified.

          June 13, 2014 at 7:53 pm |
    • awanderingscot

      Very well put NM. i can certainly attest to the rest He has given me, the rest that i enjoy daily, even in times when i'm afflicted.

      June 13, 2014 at 3:39 pm |
      • new-man

        thanks Scot,
        I totally agree that the rest of God just like His peace, is one that defies explanation.
        This message is from Joseph Prince, who poignantly puts it this way, "rest is not inactivity, rest is Holy Spirit directed activity."

        June 13, 2014 at 3:51 pm |
        • kenmargo

          The same thing goes to you awanderingscat. These "quotes" may make you feel good, but what about those that need help? We've got problems all over the world, yet god just sits around! What is he doing? Attending yoga classes?

          June 13, 2014 at 4:05 pm |
        • awanderingscot

          Ken
          of course we pray that everyone would come to a saving faith in the Lord Jesus Christ, and we pray earnestly knowing all the while that most won't. We do pray for an end to the suffering here on earth and an end to the curse. We pray and make intercession for sinners who stand in judgment just as Abraham did for the inhabitants of Sodom. "Lord, if just 20 are found righteous..". God is going to end the suffering here on earth but He is not bound to man's timetable. One has to remember it was man who rebelled against God, following Lucifer's lead, foolishly thinking to be exalted above God, 'eating the fruit' that would give them knowledge to be exalted above God (not that this could ever happen, but the motive was found in the heart of man just as it was Lucifer). God doesn't owe us anything but the death as traitors we deserve. In His mercy and love He has made atonement for us, given us a second chance. So the ball is back in our court and yes it's tougher this time around but we richly deserve it. it's now up to us, we can draw closer to Him or we can continue to rebel and push Him farther and farther away, the choice is ours.

          June 13, 2014 at 8:38 pm |
        • realbuckyball

          Why would you have to pray ? Can't your Jebus do it ?
          "No one shall come to me unless the Father draw him".
          Are you saying YOU know better than "The Father" what he needs to get done, and since he is omniscient knows what he's already going to do with or without your prayer ? Do you people EVER think about what that pious drivel actually means ?

          June 14, 2014 at 11:59 pm |
    • Reality

      There was no Exodus and your Jesus did not die for your sins. Details previously presented.

      June 13, 2014 at 6:35 pm |
    • realbuckyball

      Sorry new man. Archaeology has proven your kiddie story of the Exodus did not happen.
      Seriously no a shred of evidence for it. Hoards of Hebrews in the desert for 40 years, and not ONE piece of evidence from the wandering. Why does Exodus talk about the god "who brought us UP and OUT' when they were still "down and over" in the Sinai desert ? It never happened. There were settlements of Hebrews already in Canaan when the Mernepteh Steele, (which is the ONLY piece of evidence of an interaction of Hebrews and Israel in that time) says it happened.

      June 13, 2014 at 11:21 pm |
    • realbuckyball

      And meanwhile your deity murdered thousands of innocent children. Nice guy.

      June 13, 2014 at 11:24 pm |
      • kermit4jc

        And meanwhile your deity murdered thousands of innocent children. Nice guy.<-prove he "murdered" them//prove he had no right to take their lives

        June 14, 2014 at 2:13 am |
        • realbuckyball

          Well if you actually think the first-born of the Egyptians were guilty of something, then yes maybe you're right. I would assume an infant, according to any moral theological system is innocent. Maybe babies are sinners where you come from. As far as his "right" to kill babies, where does that come from, idiot. If a god has "rights" then external to that deity exists a moral system. And the question is "Where then did THAT come from". You Christard are the first to say morality is from the gods. Yet now you exempt it from that morality. So which is it ? Stop being so wishy-washy.

          June 14, 2014 at 6:34 pm |
        • kermit4jc

          wow..what ignorance you spout..I never say the fist born are guilty o anything, nor they are born sinning...in fact..thats the problem there with YOU..being born into sin does nOT mean they sin when babies....you are spouting pure ignorance..it means they are humans who are going to sin when they get old enough to know the difference between right and wrong

          June 17, 2014 at 2:13 am |
        • awanderingscot

          why do you assume the 'firstborn' were babies or newborns? where did that come from?

          June 15, 2014 at 7:53 pm |
        • awanderingscot

          AIR
          you're a stupid rabid dog who adds nothing to a conversation.

          June 15, 2014 at 7:55 pm |
        • awanderingscot

          "Air"
          ss, what would give you the impression i'm agitated? lol. because i noted you froth at the mouth and are a rabid dog? sorry but you don't merit anything but pity.

          June 16, 2014 at 9:52 am |
        • observer

          kermit4jc

          "prove he had no right to take their lives"

          Prove that the babies and fetuses had committed a crime or sin. Then explain why "freewill" NEVER applied to them.

          June 16, 2014 at 9:56 am |
        • kermit4jc

          lol..as if taking a life presumes guiltiness.....sorry..btu that is faulty thinking..taking life..period....get to the issue..does GOd have that right or not? prove it....taking a life doesnot always mean punishment...remember..there is an after life...going to heaven is nOT punishment....so again address the issue

          June 17, 2014 at 2:15 am |
        • awanderingscot

          Obs
          WHAT BABIES? what proof can you offer that God murdered babies? you're lying once again.

          June 16, 2014 at 10:02 am |
        • observer

          awanderingscot,

          What people died in the flood? Name ONE or was it just one BIG LIE?

          June 16, 2014 at 10:05 am |
        • igaftr

          scot
          "21 And all flesh died that moved upon the earth, both of fowl, and of cattle, and of beast, and of every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth, and every man:

          Why do you think that men did NOT have babies...where there are people there are children. Your god killed everything except for Noah's family...that would include ALL of the children.

          Really a moot point since we know the myth of Noah never happened...at least not on Earth.

          June 16, 2014 at 10:08 am |
        • observer

          igaftr,

          If true, it turns out that Noah was an immoral loser.

          June 16, 2014 at 10:12 am |
        • awanderingscot

          ig
          "And meanwhile your deity murdered thousands of innocent children. Nice guy" – stated by bucky.
          the assertion here is that God singled out babies for destruction. please work on your reading comprehension so that you can intelligently discuss these matters with grownups.

          June 16, 2014 at 10:20 am |
        • awanderingscot

          ig
          try to focus on the conversation thread, and that is Exodus and the plagues that the Lord visited upon the Egyptians.

          June 16, 2014 at 10:22 am |
        • igaftr

          scot
          Just showing where your god killed children... not off topic and you aren't the topic police.

          June 16, 2014 at 10:30 am |
        • observer

          awanderingscot

          "please work on your reading comprehension so that you can intelligently discuss these matters with grownups"

          Please work on your own reading comprehension to see that he never said "ONLY".

          Oooooops again..

          June 16, 2014 at 10:31 am |
        • observer

          awanderingscot

          "Obs you're lying once again."

          I don't LIE. I am not a LIAR like you are. I am also not the HYPOCRITE you are when you claim you follow the Bible which says not to bear false witness.

          You have been PROVED to be a liar on here, so grow up and face the fact. Skip the HYPOCRISY.

          June 16, 2014 at 10:35 am |
        • awanderingscot

          ig
          you still have not proven God singled out children for destruction. try to be more persuasive by incorporating facts into your assertions.

          June 16, 2014 at 10:56 am |
        • observer

          awanderingscot,

          Are you NOW saying God did kill children?

          lol.

          June 16, 2014 at 10:58 am |
      • awanderingscot

        bucky
        what babies? you say God murdered all these babies but offer no proof at all.

        June 16, 2014 at 9:55 am |
        • observer

          awanderingscot,

          Where does the Bible say that people STOPPED having babies then? OOOOOPS.

          You don't think things through at all.

          June 16, 2014 at 9:58 am |
  8. Peter Moses

    There needs to be an awareness of who can and cannot possess guns. Gun control plays an important part in reducing violence. Although, a person that has the predisposition to violent behavior cannot be stopped from committing acts of violence, gun controls acts as a barrier to help reducing the impact of gun violence. People who have no respect for human life, whether in the womb or outside, are 'mentally unstable' people. There is no point in equipping 'mentally unstable' people who are prone to violent acts with deadly weapons.

    June 13, 2014 at 9:16 am |
    • I'm not a GOPer, nor do I play one on TV

      This is a reasonable argument if such instability was predictable.

      Clearly there are cases when it is predictable, and there are many where it is not.

      In hindsight the Las Vegas killers were clearly unsuitable as gun owners – yet their whole premise was the right to armed insurrection. Where do you draw this line, and when does it go into effect?

      Clearly someone can meet the criteria of a responsible gun owner and then 'change' into someone who is not.

      The existence of so many firearms makes the problem intractable. But allowing unfettered access pushes us closer to anarchy every day.

      June 13, 2014 at 11:30 am |
  9. TruthPrevails1

    So where does it end? When do people finally wake up and see that tighter regulations need to be put in place so that people like this don't get their hands on deadly weapons? The right to bear arms was written in a time when shot-guns and pistols were the norm, not semi-automatic rifles that discharge 30 bullets in less than a minute (might be a slight exaggeration). How many more children need to be slaughtered by mad-men brandishing weapons that serve no other purpose than to take life?
    I would think that strict background checks would be the sensible thing to do along with locking up the weapons and keeping the ammo separate so that if someone does get that weapon they are not getting the ammo that goes with it. You're never going to prevent it all but it would be a start to minimize this.

    June 13, 2014 at 6:36 am |
    • kenmargo

      It ends when the repubs get voted out.

      June 13, 2014 at 4:35 pm |
    • G to the T

      I think it all comes down to what you believe the original intent of the admenment way. If it was intended to allow us to protect our homes against other citizens, what you say may have merit. If (as I believe) it was intended to allow an armed citizenry the opportunity to overthrow a dictorial government if necessary, then I'd say we've gone to far down the control route already.

      June 17, 2014 at 12:14 pm |
  10. jaylikebird

    Eh, some pedophiles got shot. No great loss.

    June 12, 2014 at 10:53 pm |
    • kenmargo

      That's Cold.

      June 12, 2014 at 11:01 pm |
      • observer

        kenmargo,

        Amen.

        June 13, 2014 at 1:01 am |
      • TruthPrevails1

        Very cold.

        June 13, 2014 at 6:24 am |
    • Alias

      If only he had belonged to a church that lived by its moral teachings, we could have convicted him first.

      June 13, 2014 at 5:07 pm |
  11. thesamyaza

    whait just read this shit, so some one tried to still from the church, the church stole everything they have, Catholic church are thieves and murderers, they had it coming.

    also..
    poverty is the issue her not gun control.

    also..
    sorry folks but i'm a wolf,. so the only good shepherd is a dead one.

    June 12, 2014 at 9:16 pm |
    • kenmargo

      Rich, middle class people shoot people too. This isn't just about poverty. You wanna know who crooks get their guns from? LEGAL GUN OWNERS. Just go online and buy a gun and bullets WITHOUT BACKGROUND CHECKS. So the fear the NRA sells about criminals getting guns is a bunch of load because the NRA does whatever it can to ensure criminals get guns.

      June 12, 2014 at 9:25 pm |
      • thesamyaza

        agreed but the issue her is poverty, man tries to rob a church shoots priest. oh i'm not a member of the NRA no do i approve of their actions.

        i tried getting their help once but they give two fucks less about Knife rights so i ripped up my membership,..they only seem to care about their sponsors

        i thought about starting a national weapons association, but the anagram causes issues.

        June 12, 2014 at 9:42 pm |
        • kenmargo

          Don't use poverty as an excuse. Guns kill over 10,000 people a year. The killer in Newton Conn. Wasn't poor. Poverty isn't the only problem. People are shot in schools like it's a olympic sport. I won't change your mind. You're part of the 49%. Just 51% is needed to vote out politicians without the onions to pass common sense gun laws. If we get 51% you won't matter.

          June 12, 2014 at 9:56 pm |
        • saggyroy

          So now we can say – "Guns don't kill people, poor people kill people"

          June 13, 2014 at 5:55 am |
        • thesamyaza

          im not saying poverty is the issue in general idiots i'm saying it the issue in this case; and how the fuck can inanimate objects kill over 10,000 people a year. do you even listen to you type. i can just as easily kill some one with a pencil should we ban those to or life itself kills every one hell lets ban that.

          the gun is a tool the killer is human.

          June 13, 2014 at 3:59 pm |
        • I'm not a GOPer, nor do I play one on TV

          Most guns are a tool with one purpose – to kill humans.

          Pencils, not so much.

          June 13, 2014 at 4:02 pm |
        • kenmargo

          @sam

          Suppose a drug maker sells a drug that supposed to clear acne. Instead it gives kids heart attacks and kills them. Based on your logic, the pills didn't kill them because it's an inaminate object. The drug maker killed them, so keep selling the pill. Shouldn't you remove the drug from the market?

          June 13, 2014 at 4:25 pm |
        • thesamyaza

          if the pill was defective people wouldn't by it, just like no one but idiots buys a defective gun (Jericho 941)

          but if people are stupid enough to buy the pill any ways, then they should be killed before they breed, preferable.

          trading safety for liberty is never a good trade.

          June 13, 2014 at 9:29 pm |
    • realbuckyball

      You sound as though you are partaking from the still.

      June 12, 2014 at 10:17 pm |
    • Reality

      No, you are an uneducated, red-neck from the South !!!!!

      June 13, 2014 at 12:14 am |
      • Theo Phileo

        Before you go too far in picking on Southerners, remember, it was Yankees that gave us "Punkin' Chunkin'."

        June 13, 2014 at 8:42 am |
        • Akira

          Were they chuckin them at southerners?
          I'm kidding. I'm kidding.

          June 13, 2014 at 9:04 am |
        • Theo Phileo

          Yeah, but that ended in 1865... *grin*
          Seriously, have you seen the youtube videos of this stuff? The South certainly doesn't corner the market on "rednecks."

          June 13, 2014 at 9:20 am |
        • awanderingscot

          yeah, watch out for those little Irish guys in Boston, those little red tators sting when you hit you! lol.

          June 13, 2014 at 12:32 pm |
        • Akira

          I know the world championship is held in Delaware, but did NE invent it?
          Not that it matters.
          And what about those poor pumpkins? Think of the pumpkins! For the love of humanity, won't somebody think of the pumpkins?
          Seriously, some cool machinery going on there. But...yeah. Punkin chunkin.

          June 13, 2014 at 4:44 pm |
  12. thesamyaza

    didn't know the guy, so, all i got is hes a priest in an evil cult , and he got shot,.... don't care, more important things to do like peculate my coffee, tie my show, and wonder why no buddy has shot Pat Robertson, now i'd celebrate that,...ohh the pope

    June 12, 2014 at 9:08 pm |
  13. unsername1

    damn, I almost jumped to a conclusion, incident took place in some muslim country.

    June 12, 2014 at 8:17 pm |
    • kenmargo

      You were probably right.

      June 12, 2014 at 9:06 pm |
  14. kenmargo

    There will be "gun nuts"/NRA members that'll stick up for guns no matter what happens. What we need are 51% of the people to get fed up and vote politicians (repubs) out of office so we can get people in there to pass REASONABLE gun control laws. Guns are the only thing more worthless than the bible. Both provide false hope and neither solves any problems. The shame of it all is that "pro lifers" That "value life" are the same ones that treasure guns that end life.

    June 12, 2014 at 7:11 pm |
    • I'm not a GOPer, nor do I play one on TV

      There are plenty of Democrats who are as equally terrified of the NRA bogeyman as the Republicans. The real problem is the hostage threat that the NRA holds over elected officials.I don't see anything changing unless something like Bloomberg's "Everytown for Gun Safety" takes off.

      But I agree with your premise that it is largely the "pro-life, value voters" that are the ones in favor of instruments of death.

      I haven't noticed Wayne LaPierre making an observation over the Las Vegas shooting where a 'good guy with a gun' was unable to stop the 'bad guy with a gun' and died trying to intervene.

      June 12, 2014 at 7:21 pm |
      • kenmargo

        What you said about (some) dems is true, but the main party blocking reform is the repubs. MADD also needs to have a greater presence. I'm sure mom's didn't go through the pain of labor to have their children shot. Guns remind me of illegal drugs. There's just too much money to be made. Life be damned.

        June 12, 2014 at 7:32 pm |
    • thesamyaza

      um we are all pro life to an extent I'm so profile that I'm anti human. i vote green and keep 14" knife i know i can do more damage with that blade than any one with a 45 and i own one of those two
      gun laws are not the issue quite blaming the tool for the crime, when you now damn well its amoral. taking guns away from good people will not stop these crimes from occurring maybe we need to fix are culture of fear.

      how ever you wont see me cry when the sheep shots the shepherd.
      it happened in my community and I'm glade that nut jobs like you didn't run their mouth about gun control. priest contribute to a nation of fear, through their teaching, just like they spread suffering to keep people relying on the church. theirs two many humans any way, to preserve life some of us have to go. see so pro life i'm anti-human

      June 12, 2014 at 9:04 pm |
      • I'm not a GOPer, nor do I play one on TV

        I agree completely that there is a culture of fear, though I'm not sure I would specifically blame the religious for it.

        It is fueled by the notion that all the 'bad guys' already have guns. Something that would be less true if guns were less accessible – as is evident in other countries.

        June 12, 2014 at 9:11 pm |
        • thesamyaza

          I agree completely that there is a culture of fear, though I'm not sure I would specifically blame the religious for it.

          neither would i, but Christianity contributes. their a small part but a part.

          June 12, 2014 at 9:19 pm |
        • kenmargo

          Religious people do add to the fear. You're going to h3ll, Obama is the anti-christ, Obama is a muslim, the ACA violates my religious freedom, etc. etc. We never heard about the gov't being your enemy until Obama took office. So religion's hands are just as dirty as the repubs.

          June 12, 2014 at 9:19 pm |
        • thesamyaza

          you think the dems are any better?

          June 12, 2014 at 9:36 pm |
        • observer

          thesamyaza,

          Yep. They didn't start a $2,000,000,000,000 war for false reasons like the Republicans did.

          June 12, 2014 at 9:39 pm |
        • thesamyaza

          Operation Iraqi liberation, how was that a hidden reason??? the reasons in the name.
          OIL

          http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dSVGy8fhMYs

          June 12, 2014 at 9:46 pm |
        • observer

          thesamyaza,

          First, the Bush administration tried to link Iraq to 9/11. When that failed, they switched to "weapons of mass destruction", another lie.. Any "reason" would do. Many in his administration had PUBLICLY advocated attacking Iraq for YEARS.

          June 12, 2014 at 9:50 pm |
      • kenmargo

        Let's get one thing out in the open. You need to go back to school. Your english is atrocious!
        There isn't a law written that eliminates ALL crime. Example we have laws against murder, yet people still kill. Should we elimainate laws against murder? There's no excuse for making it EASIER for someone to kill. The scary part is that you have a gun. Hopefully you don't have children, I'd be afraid they're the next ones we'll be reading about.

        June 12, 2014 at 9:14 pm |
        • thesamyaza

          no not at all. we should keep all laws on the book that are a result of direct harm to another. i am not O'K with laws that hinder freedoms otherwise, their is a difference. the person who kills some one comments a crime, the gun did not kill any one. why tell some one that cannot own a gun because you can kill some one with it. by that logic we should remove peoples teeth, i nearly killed some one with my teeth, so teeth should be illegal. oh i seen a guy get killed with a rock so lets make rock illegal. prohibition never works.

          and i have a daughter in 2 years shell be old enough for gun safety classes and martial arts classes, i will personally bee teaching her the proper curses in violence as well as the right time to use it. im not a sheep and my children won't be ether. violence is inherent in creation, in fact in order to create you must destroy. they are two sides of the same coin. I'm not going to teach my children to adhere to your beliefs systems on pacifism. nature does not abhor violence humans do. it is unhealthy to go against nature, not to mention the fist is a universal language

          June 12, 2014 at 9:35 pm |
        • kenmargo

          @thesamyaza

          "we should keep all laws on the book that are a result of direct harm to another"

          So what do you call shooting someone? Bicycle riding!

          You're part of the problem equating gun use as some sort of freedom. You think because you've got a gun you'll be safe. The logic fails because police officers get shot and the criminal KNOWS they have a gun. You think criminals are like the ones you see in western movies. Wearing a black hat and needing a shave. If the bad guy gets you first, the gun will do you no good. Atleast you're going to teach your child to use a gun properly. I Just hope she never has a mental issue that'll cause her to snap.

          June 12, 2014 at 9:49 pm |
        • thesamyaza

          shooting some one is an act of murder (unless in self defense). owning a gun is not. action, not possession is a crime.
          and why do people go to gun owners are a bunch of scardy cats. as if thats some how going to make me go, see im not scared i don't need a gun. grow up.

          June 13, 2014 at 4:05 pm |
        • kenmargo

          No one is against people owning guns schmucko. We want to make sure people are QUALIFIED to have guns. Society needs to know where these guns are so society can ensure the gun is in the proper hands.

          The same as a car. If you're going to drive that car on public streets, society needs to make sure you're qualified to drive on public streets.

          June 13, 2014 at 4:15 pm |
        • thesamyaza

          its not the same the right to defend your self, a sequentially the right to feel secure in your person and bear arms. is a right of life, it supersede human rights. the human is an animal with out claws and fangs so we have tools, are right to those tools are tide into are right to live

          driving and owning a car is a privilege.

          you would have some large illusionary entity (the government) decide our very life, tell you what disarm the government of their guns and then well talk, i got no problem with swords i'm more then adequate at swordplay. i did hunt a buck with an longsword.

          June 13, 2014 at 9:52 pm |
        • Akira

          Some advocates take things to far:
          http://www.cracked.com/blog/5-things-to-know-about-armed-men-in-your-local-chipotle/

          June 13, 2014 at 10:47 pm |
  15. I'm not a GOPer, nor do I play one on TV

    In light of what is the topic of this article, the most appropriate line from Holy Grail would be this one:

    Pie Jesu Domine, dona eis requiem

    Whether or not you want to smack you head with a prayer book is up to you.

    June 12, 2014 at 6:54 pm |
  16. I'm not a GOPer, nor do I play one on TV

    The only thing that can stop a black knight with a broadsword is a white knight with a broadsword?

    Armaments, Chapter II:
    -----------
    A well regulated round table being necessary to the security of the realm, the right of Brother Maynard to keep and bear the holy hand grenade of Antioch shall not be infringed?

    June 12, 2014 at 6:49 pm |
  17. Vic

    God bless his soul.

    Well, that's very sad. Total disregard to human life, such an evil.

    I guess Freddy Krueger came out a bit early this time, totally unexpected, Friday the 13th is tomorrow!

    June 12, 2014 at 3:39 pm |
    • kenmargo

      If god really wanted to bless his soul, god would have prevented him from being shot. I guess god is a NRA member also. This proves praying to the almighty is worthless. Think about all the praying to allah in iraq. Who does the iraq leadership call? NOT ALLAH, The great satan U.S. To drop bombs on the co'ckroaches. How ironic!

      June 12, 2014 at 4:16 pm |
      • workingcopy12

        Classic atheist mumbo jumbo. The Bible makes it quite clear that we are all mortal and that we will die–praying that we won't die is not in God's will–it is a request that will never be granted. That does not mean prayer is worthless. It only means prayer inconsistent with God's express will is worthless (insomuch as the result sought will not be granted). You may now resume your trolling.

        June 12, 2014 at 6:09 pm |
        • kenmargo

          Typical religious crap. Amazing how people make excuses for god when things don't work out, yet praise god when things work out. (Any shrink can tell you have an illness) It's obvious you can't read because i didn't mention anything about death. I said "prevented him from being shot" big difference non working copy.

          June 12, 2014 at 6:47 pm |
        • kudlak

          Yet, God would have gotten credit by many if the priest has survived, right? If what you said is true, God wouldn't be said to be involved either way.

          June 12, 2014 at 7:48 pm |
        • realbuckyball

          The idea of mortality did not originate in the Babble. All literature agrees humans are mortal. Your Babble is not special, (of course if that's the ONLY thing you ever read, you might think so).

          June 13, 2014 at 11:28 pm |
  18. Lucifer's Evil Twin

    If you take away swords from law abiding citizens... then only criminals will have swords

    June 12, 2014 at 3:03 pm |
  19. MidwestKen

    The violence inherent in human nature even without guns?

    Without guns we'd simply lob scimitars, I suppose.

    June 12, 2014 at 2:58 pm |
  20. Lucifer's Evil Twin

    After reading all of the original posts and responses to Sales3000 and IamInsane1... context is not a requirement on these blogs.

    June 12, 2014 at 2:53 pm |
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