How Scalia's prophecy became a moral crisis
Supreme Court Associate Justice Antonin Scalia predicted that anti-gay marriage laws would fall.
June 27th, 2014
08:20 AM ET

How Scalia's prophecy became a moral crisis

By R. Albert Mohler Jr.special to CNN

(CNN) - One year after the U.S. Supreme Court’s decision on the Defense of Marriage Act, this much is clear: Justice Antonin Scalia is a prophet.

Back in 2003, when the court handed down the decision in Lawrence v. Texas, striking down all criminal statutes against homosexual acts, Scalia declared that the stage was set for the legalization of same-sex unions. That was 2003.

“Today’s opinion dismantles the structure of constitutional law that has permitted a distinction to be made between heterosexual and homosexual unions, insofar as a formal recognition in marriage is concerned,” wrote Scalia.

He was proved to be absolutely prophetic when, just ten years later, the court ruled in United States v. Windsor that the Defense of Marriage Act was unconstitutional — thus striking down the federal statute defining marriage exclusively as the union of a man and a woman.

Once again, Justice Anthony Kennedy wrote the majority opinion, while Scalia handed down a fiery dissent. As before, Scalia was prophetic.

Even though the Court did not rule that same-sex marriage must be legal in all states, it set the stage for that to happen. As Scalia wrote: “As far as this Court is concerned, no one should be fooled; it is just a matter of listening and waiting for the other shoe.”

One year later, it is abundantly evident that we did not have to wait or listen for long.
Almost immediately, challenges to state laws and constitutional amendments prohibiting same-sex marriages erupted.

In a staggering series of decisions at the federal and state levels, judges explicitly cited the nullification of DOMA and the central arguments of the Windsor decision in striking down those laws and constitutional amendments.

A year after the death of DOMA, not one major decision has defended any of these statutes or amendments. Kennedy’s opinion has been cited as authoritative in virtually every one of these judicial actions.

This has meant that in a single year, the legalization of same sex marriage has become a reality or received a positive judicial action in states including Utah, Oklahoma, Kentucky, Virginia, Texas, Pennsylvania, Oregon and a host of other states far from where such unions had previously been recognized.

A year later, it is clear that the Supreme Court remains the central political institution of moral transformation in America.

A year later, it is also clear that the court was riding a vast change in public opinion.

We must also see that the time is almost at hand for that transformation to be made complete, at least in terms of the legalization of same-sex marriage in all 50 states.

What was not clear a year ago was the velocity of this transformation. Even the architects of the revolution are expressing surprise at the speed of these judicial actions.

By the end of this summer, the Supreme Court will likely need to revisit the question once again, this time responding to the cavalcade of lower court decisions the high court spawned.

There is very good reason to expect a decision mandating same-sex marriage coast-to-coast in the Court’s next term, with a decision to be handed down just a year from now, almost to the day.

Furthermore, the Obama administration has been pushing the agenda vigorously, with the federal government now aligning all agency policies in line with the Windsor decision - even extending to areas the decision was never intended to reach.

Where does that leave committed Christians?

Those of us who believe that human flourishing depends upon the recognition and honoring of marriage as exclusively the union of a man and a woman see this transformation of marriage into something radically different as a grave threat to human society and human happiness.

We do not argue that these damaging effects on society and its individuals will be immediately apparent, but we are sadly confident that the subversion of marriage will bring devastating effects over time.

In retrospect, we can also see that previous subversions of marriage set the stage for the radical redefinition of marriage in our times.

Our failure to answer the challenge of rising divorce rates was, eventually, fatal to our effort to defend marriage against its redefinition in terms of gender. Some of us saw this danger at the time, but there was no adequate effort to oppose the devastating impact of divorce.

The larger sexual revolution also plays an incalculable role in this transformation. The moral separation of sex and marriage among millions of Americans removed any hope of establishing a lasting consensus on the central importance of marriage and its essence as a monogamous man-woman union.

A year after the death of DOMA, it is also clear that very real threats to religious liberty now loom before us. This is perhaps the inevitable consequence of a moral revolution of this scale.

Will the government now coerce the consciences of churches, religious institutions, schools, colleges, social service agencies, and the like? There is now strong evidence that government at every level will attempt such coercion. Will America abandon religious liberty for the sake of erotic freedom?

Those of us who believe same-sex marriage to be a moral impossibility now face a very daunting challenge — how to live in a society that is moving so rapidly against our moral worldview, even as the society shared that worldview for over 2,000 years.

We face the challenge of finding how to relate to our neighbors and contribute to the common good when we see that very society undermining human flourishing in the name of sexual liberty.

A year after the death of DOMA the listening and the waiting are almost over. The revolution is almost complete. The shoe is dropping fast.

One thing is clear to all – no one was exaggerating when the Windsor decision was declared by both sides to be revolutionary.

We can all agree on that much, just one year after the revolution was declared.

R. Albert Mohler Jr. is president of The Southern Baptist Theological Seminary in Louisville, Kentucky. The views expressed in this column belong to Mohler. 

- CNN Belief Blog

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soundoff (653 Responses)
  1. bostontola

    Logic can be deceiving. Perfect logic applied to an unproven premise yields untrustworthy conclusions. I have read some of Justice Scalia's writings. He is one of the most reasoned, rational, logical thinkers I have encountered. But he has powerful religious convictions that bias him with premises that he treats as fact. It's too bad.

    I expect Dr. Mohler to have the views expressed in this piece. It is scary that a person sworn to uphold the Const.itution and to judge cases with respect to it, has the level of bias Scalia has.

    June 27, 2014 at 9:06 pm |
  2. kermit4jc

    the founding faters say we have FREEDOM OF EXPRESSION of our religion......sounds liek in YUOR post Yuo are denynig that..second...you are a sad case to assume that I "deny the womans right to their bodies" cause of my Bible..I believe in it WITH OR WOTHOUT the BIble....before I was Christian I knew that mothers killing their own children was wrong! and yuo show MORE xconetied arrogance and self centeredness..yuo keep saying the womans bnody yet ou never address the FACT there is ANOTHER body in you..it shows selfish conceit...no getting around it....

    June 27, 2014 at 7:08 pm |
    • neverbeenhappieratheist

      Freedom of expression is allowing you and anyone to stand up in public places and denounce being gay as terrible for mankind. That's fine. Freedom of expression does not mean you get to pass legislation banning activities you find icky. I don't like eating liver, but i'm not going to try and ban anyone else from eating it, they aren't stuffing it in my mouth. One would think with the way Christians whine and complain about gays getting equal rights that they believe as soon as it's legal everywhere they will have to get gay married, as if many gay men would find the uneducated southern Duck Dynasty guys attractive, like "Line up Billy Bob and Bobby Joe, yall gotta get married now cause , you know, Obama and stuff..."

      June 27, 2014 at 7:19 pm |
    • TruthPrevails1

      The only selfish one is you!!
      First off, abortion is not considered killing and since you don't want gays adopting then I suggest you stop whining about abortion. You're not considering the potential future of that fetus if a woman is forced to carry it while not being ready for the responsibility. You don't have to agree with it on a personal level but the law is set and there is no changing it, so stop the battle where there isn't one to be had. Abortion typically can't be had after the end of the first tri-mester. A fetus is not viable outside the human body until approximately 20 weeks gestation, so if abortion is being had after that then feel free to scream murder...I might be inclined to agree with you.
      Second, you further down mentioned about how gays shouldn't raise children...where are the stats that say they don't do a good job? All the stats I have seen prove you wrong. Another thing you fail to consider is that single parents sometimes do a better job than raising a child in a dysfunctional home. While both a Mom and Dad are idea, it doesn't always work out for the best. And if we go by your logic, then elderly people shouldn't be allowed to get married nor should people who don't wish to have children or who are physically incapable.

      The following leads you to a study that proves you wrong about LGBT raising children. I understand that you'll scream foul about it but fortunately for us, these are facts and your ranting is not.

      June 27, 2014 at 7:34 pm |
    • realbuckyball

      You are not "free" to express any old thing, just because your religion says something. You are constrained by law, in many many ways. Taking away fundmental rights from other citizens is one of the things you do not have the right to do, no matter what your religion says.

      June 27, 2014 at 9:38 pm |
    • thesamyaza


      June 28, 2014 at 12:10 am |
  3. idiotusmaximus

    . As Scalia wrote: “As far as this Court is concerned, no one should be fooled; it is just a matter of listening and waiting for the other shoe.”........

    June 27, 2014 at 6:22 pm |
    • idiotusmaximus

      I'M NOT A JUDGE...but it doesn't take a rocket scientist to understand that the

      June 27, 2014 at 6:23 pm |
  4. colin31714

    An oldie, but a goodie.....

    10 Reasons Why Gay Marriage is Wrong

    01) Gay marriage will encourage straight people to be gay, in the same way that hanging around tall people will make short people tall.

    02) Obviously gay parents will raise gay children, since straight parents only raise straight children.

    03) Straight marriage has been around a long time and hasn't changed at all; women are still property, blacks still can't marry whites, and divorce is still illegal.

    04) Straight marriage will be less meaningful if gay marriage were allowed. My parents in Texas ran screaming to the court to get a divorce the minute they heard that a gay couple married in Vermont.

    05) Straight marriages are valid because they produce children. Gay couples, infertile couples, and old people shouldn't be allowed to marry because our orphanages aren't full yet, and the world needs more children.

    06) Legalizing gay marriage will open the door to all kinds of crazy behavior. People may even wish to marry their pets, because gays marrying will alter the fundamental $ex drive of others.

    07) Gay marriage is not supported by religion. We really want people who, in the 21st Century, still believe in gods and devils, based on 2,000 year old Palestinian mythology, setting social policy.

    08) Children can never succeed without a male and a female role model at home. That's why we as a society expressly forbid single parents to raise children.

    09) Gay marriage will change the foundation of society; we could never adapt to new social norms, just like we haven't adapted to cars, the internet, or modern medicine.

    10) It will lead to social disorder. I constantly hear of large groups of gays protesting against the rights of Christians to marry other Christians, telling adolescent Christians they are immoral and committing acts of violence against Christians.

    June 27, 2014 at 5:28 pm |
  5. Reality

    I doubt Scalia reviewed the following before making his conclusions:

    o "Abrahamics" believe that their god created all of us and of course that includes the g-ay members of the human race. Also, those who have studied ho-mo-se-xuality have determined that there is no choice involved therefore ga-ys are ga-y because god made them that way.

    To wit:

    1. The Royal College of Psy-chiatrists stated in 2007:

    “ Despite almost a century of psy-choanalytic and psy-chological speculation, there is no substantive evidence to support the suggestion that the nature of parenting or early childhood experiences play any role in the formation of a person’s fundamental heteros-exual or hom-ose-xual orientation. It would appear that s-exual orientation is biological in nature, determined by a complex interplay of ge-netic factors and the early ut-erine environment. Se-xual orientation is therefore not a choice.[60] "

    2. "Garcia-Falgueras and Swaab state in the abstract of their 2010 study, "The fe-tal brain develops during the intraut-erine period in the male direction through a direct action of tes-tosterone on the developing nerve cells, or in the female direction through the absence of this hor-mone surge. In this way, our gender identi-ty (the conviction of belonging to the male or female gender) and s-exual orientation are programmed or organized into our brain structures when we are still in the womb. There is no indication that social environment after birth has an effect on gender ident–ity or s-exual orientation."[8

    3. See also the From the Philadelphia Inquirer review “Gay Gene, Deconstructed”, 12/12/2011. Said review addresses the following “How do genes associated with ho-mose-xuality avoid being weeded out by Darwinian evolution?”
    "Most scientists who study human se-xuality agree that gay people are born that way. But that consensus raises an evolutionary puzzle: How do genes associated with h-omose-xuality avoid being weeded out by Darwinian evolution?"

    Of course, those gays who belong to Abrahamic religions supposedly abide by the rules of no adu-ltery or for-nication allowed.

    June 27, 2014 at 5:00 pm |
  6. colin31714

    I don't care what anybody says. It is a CHOICE and a sick, disgusting lifestyle. Honestly, there is no place for such depravity in the modern United States.

    But enough about the Southern Baptists, let's discuss the gay marriage issue.....

    June 27, 2014 at 4:42 pm |
    • Doris


      June 27, 2014 at 4:48 pm |
      • No Wake Zone


        June 27, 2014 at 4:55 pm |
    • thesamyaza


      June 28, 2014 at 12:11 am |
  7. Doc Vestibule

    If marriage is a cornerstone of our society, aren't gay couples that want to be married affirming the value on monogamous commitment as the building block of healthy and sustainable families and communities?

    June 27, 2014 at 4:26 pm |
    • No Wake Zone


      June 27, 2014 at 4:28 pm |
    • Blessed are the Cheesemakers

      And besides...they have the right to be miserable just like the rest of us.

      June 27, 2014 at 4:35 pm |
      • Keith


        June 27, 2014 at 8:44 pm |
    • colin31714

      I have no problem with two men ow women marrying, but two Canadians........

      Now that's just sick.

      June 27, 2014 at 4:38 pm |
      • thesamyaza

        Canada is not real, its the north American coral reefs, that produce noxious gases that are reflected buy the son to give of the illusions of land and people.

        i mean more guns then us, you don't have to lock your doors and there is less crime?
        universal healthcare?
        every one really nice?

        please if its to good to be true then chances are it is, i mean if Canada was really wouldn't every one live their?

        June 28, 2014 at 12:39 am |
    • fascinatedspectator

      Well stated! I couldn't agree more!

      June 27, 2014 at 4:44 pm |
    • kermit4jc

      NOPE...cause they are not committed to it.no one seems to know what marriage means anymore....its sad that even religious-especially christains are duped by the secular world..since they have a high rate of divorce too.....no one takes marriage seriously anymore..and it is costing us

      June 27, 2014 at 4:59 pm |
      • No Wake Zone

        I take marriage seriously. Therefore your statement is false.

        June 27, 2014 at 5:04 pm |
        • kermit4jc

          let me rephrase that..not too many do take marriage seriously...that is what I had meant..

          June 27, 2014 at 5:13 pm |
        • kermit4jc

          gay folsk marrying defines marriage and love...period.and if they chose to have children..its a tragedy since if it is two men..they deny the child a MOTHER...how sick and selfish! its truth..people don't CAREabout children having mother and father...they are too into themselves to give a f*** about them

          June 27, 2014 at 5:19 pm |
        • kermit4jc

          DIFFERENT topic..issue..youre grasping at straws......in most cases single parents do NOT have a choice! and again most is result of people who don't know what marriage is and don't take it too seriously! but again that's for another topic....don't ty to use single parents to argue against what I said

          June 27, 2014 at 5:32 pm |
        • neverbeenhappieratheist

          lol, if you think that way kermie than shame on you for denying your kids the opportunity for a second awesome dad! You sick sadist! Who wouldn't want to have two dads to go throw baseball with in the yard? Only shameful folk like kermie would refuse their kids such a blessing.

          June 27, 2014 at 5:32 pm |
        • kermit4jc

          man you really are whacked out..don't know the importance of a father or mother in a kids life..and how they relate to one another.....relationship betweenman and woman is nOT same asrelationsship between two men...love is NOT the same...(if you wanna argue love is the same..then go have se x with your pet...or married neighbor, or relative.....get married to them.)

          June 27, 2014 at 5:35 pm |
        • No Wake Zone

          kerm, how do you know all of these intimate details about gay love?

          June 27, 2014 at 5:39 pm |
        • neverbeenhappieratheist

          If you are trying to say that a man cannot provide the same emotional support as a woman I simply disagree because I have known many gentle, tender and caring fathers and many brittle, bitter angry mothers where the kids got their emotional support from dad. I also know it's likely because both were forced into roles they may not neccesarrily fit. There is no "Dad goes to work, Mom stays home and cooks and cleans" in America anymore, nearly every home has a mix of working parents and both have to wear many differetn hats. The days of "Leave it To Beaver" have long since past and the world is better for it. I doubt Ward would have let Beaver marry a black girl if he had wanted to back then either, let alone a guy, but you don't hear many sane people wishing they were back in the days when interacial marriage was banned.

          June 27, 2014 at 6:14 pm |
        • kermit4jc

          and you are another example of case in point....men and women ARE different..they are wird differently......and as I said..the way a man shows his lvoe for his wife..is NOT same..sorry...btu seems to me you dont know men and women....people are just "it" not a he or she

          June 27, 2014 at 7:17 pm |
        • kermit4jc

          btw the working dad..stay at home mom has nothing to do with this issue

          June 27, 2014 at 7:20 pm |
        • kermit4jc

          he IS grasping at straws since the singel parent thing wasnt an issue...secondly.....you apparently need to go to school and learn that there IS a difference between a woman and a man and that children benefit from BOTH.....and hwo a man loves a woman as nature intended.......its people like you who are reason for high divorce rates in USA, because they don tknow what love or marriage is..to you it seems to be BS from your words i gather...you dont care...and the two men who have children..they dont give a F88 about the kids cause the FACT they DENY the kid a mother..cause they want their own self first....the kid second...

          June 27, 2014 at 7:17 pm |
        • neverbeenhappieratheist

          "seems to me you dont know men and women....people are just "it" not a he or she"

          You want to debate stereotypes which is pointless. I was making the point that every person is different and there is no standard of behavior or empathy that has been identified in males and females, no rule of thumb you can apply. To say "women are this" and "men are that" is beyond stupid in this day and age. You wouldn't understand this as most uneducated bigots don't, but if you get out more you might just evolve on this issue as have the vast majority of Americans.

          June 27, 2014 at 7:25 pm |
        • kermit4jc

          the point is..love is NOT the same in all cases!!!!!! read my post again.....dont rip the animal thing out of context

          June 27, 2014 at 7:30 pm |
        • neverbeenhappieratheist

          "dont rip the animal thing out of context"

          You have to be kidding right? You have been making me laugh all afternoon, this one is a real gem. Keep it up sad silly kermie.

          June 27, 2014 at 7:36 pm |
        • kermit4jc

          im not the one silly..its people who think love is all the same thing..they are silly....I do not love my father in same way I love my wife...I do not love my cat in same way I love my wife....love is different in each situation

          June 28, 2014 at 1:45 am |
        • neverbeenhappieratheist

          I think maybe kermie believes "consent" is the smell of an inmate in prison...

          June 27, 2014 at 7:39 pm |
        • idiotusmaximus

          I think maybe kermie believes “consent” is the smell of an inmate in prison..................

          You mean it isn't......well hell then I'm not going!

          June 27, 2014 at 7:50 pm |
        • neverbeenhappieratheist

          How kermie sees it...

          "Yup, that little doggy con-scented alright, can still smell a little of it on me..."

          June 27, 2014 at 7:59 pm |
        • midwest rail

          Ladies and gentlemen, I give you kermit – the king of the strawman argument.

          June 27, 2014 at 8:34 pm |
        • thesamyaza

          man you really are whacked out..don't know the importance of a father or mother in a kids life..and how they relate to one another.....relationship betweenman and woman is nOT same asrelationsship between two men...love is NOT the same...(if you wanna argue love is the same..then go have se x with your pet...or married neighbor, or relative.....get married to them.)

          right here is were i lost you,..your not part of are world so what the fuck do you know about us? nothing you know shit i am a bisexual and having played both sides i can say this yes love is the same and having two loving parents is definitely better then having one parent like you. the fact is to same sex couples do a better job raising their children then a hereto christian couple ever could. the vary fact that you would say love between two consenting adults is anything like inter-species love is fucking is evidance enough. two prove my point that Christians should not raise children let me be the one to say i hope you choke on communion and die convulsing. see if i was raised buy a gay couple id be a hell-of-allot nice, probably be a christian to.

          June 28, 2014 at 12:51 am |
        • kermit4jc

          yes it is..men and women are different....love for woman is not same as love for a man

          June 28, 2014 at 1:46 am |
        • kermit4jc

          actually...tre really been no studies that are realistic..studies have to be donwe using a respectful number ...the number of gays having children is too low and too new to see whats going on..sorry this is wishful thinking and getting too far ahead..its truly dishonest..the FACT is....studies doen over LONG periods of time from the 50s shows children need both a mother and afather.the FACT is.....fahers are just as important than mothers..if theer ar two gay men..then it is saying mothers are NOT important...or two women..says fathrs are not important..Im sorry..but that's not truth at all..its selifh people trying to justify their behaviors

          June 28, 2014 at 1:49 am |
        • kermit4jc

          BTW I work with families where 99 percent are from single parents....it is nOT working! the home is nOT stable..its looking thru life with rose colored glasses...and we see the effects TODAY...more single parent homes cause kids who grown up don't know how to have proper relationships with spouses....and how about jail systmes filling up..children NOT going to college and getting dgrees...instead going on welfare...that's at an all time high..and you say it has no effect take off the rose colored glasses and look at reality

          June 28, 2014 at 1:51 am |
        • TruthPrevails1

          Akira: He stated before on some article where his arrogance shows through that he went to a Christian college named Simpson in California.

          Kermi: Did you stop to consider that you only see children with behavioral issues and thus are not seeing all of the kids from single parent homes? I raised my daughter primarily on my own-she doesn't drink; doesn't smoke; doesn't do drugs...is attending college for her second time this fall. I know a single father of 3 beautiful little girls who is doing a terrific job of raising them after their Mom walked out...he works full time-in more ways than you ever will. You are biased in your opinion because the children unfortunately referred to you have issues, you're not seeing the children who are doing well. You're such an arrogant bigot and your point is moot.

          June 28, 2014 at 4:09 am |
        • kermit4jc

          uh no... hello..the FACT is stated in studies already done since the 50s time after time..they do better with both parents...you are justa a MINORITY in exceptions....exceptions do not justify anything..plus...we get only the ones referred to us...not to mention all those out there who we don't see..think about it...why has teen suicide jumped? why has teen killings jumped? come on..get real with REALITY

          June 28, 2014 at 4:12 am |
        • kermit4jc

          you are just like a lot of people.in denial whats happening in the world around you....the horrors and all

          June 28, 2014 at 4:13 am |
        • TruthPrevails1

          kermi: Back your claims. As I stated and stand by, you are biased-you see the children with behavioral issues, not the good kids. Two parents can be Mom and Dad, Mom and Mom, Dad and Dad...studies prove that children do just as well in same gender homes than they do in hetero homes (the link to the study is listed above in response to another blathering of yours). Your point is moot. Stop pretending to know everything when obviously you don't have a damn clue....you're an arrogant bigot hiding behind religion to give you a free pass for being one.

          June 28, 2014 at 4:20 am |
        • idiotusmaximus

          And you missed the point of my post about single parents completely, Kermit....

          Of course I do understand that Kermit is NOT MISSING THE POINT.......Kermit is not interested in the point....the saying is....MY MIND IS MADE UP DON'T CONFUSE ME WITH FACTS....that's how many people live....in an altered reality.

          June 28, 2014 at 10:47 am |
      • Doc Vestibule

        According to the available data, gay couples are actually less likely to get divorced than hetero unions with gay men being the most stable partnerships.
        Conversely, I take my decade long relationship very seriously – we are raising a family together, after all – but we have never had a marriage ceremony, nor do we wear rings or anything like that.

        June 27, 2014 at 5:31 pm |
      • tallulah131

        Bad news, kermit. Your small minded fear and hatred has lost out to reasonable Americans who have a fuller understanding of the issue. Compassion and reason have won, so all that's left to you is your intolerant whining. You lose; America wins.

        June 27, 2014 at 9:57 pm |
        • kermit4jc

          majority doesn't always means they are right...just more people who are wrong...lol..and you stop with this stupid hate and fear thing..another mention of it and this discussion is over..stop making stupid arrogant false accusations about me..got it jack?

          June 28, 2014 at 1:54 am |
        • observer


          The future is obvious. The ignorance of bigotry is losing out to education. The Golden Rule is winning.

          June 28, 2014 at 2:00 am |
        • tallulah131

          kermit, I can only judge you by your words on this blog, and your words make you sound hateful and fearful. Your threat makes you sound like an immature child.

          When the majority realizes that good, loving people who just happen to be attracted to the same gender are not the bad guys and that they have the right to be married to the person they wish to spend the rest of their life with, then yes, it's a good thing, no matter how your fearful, hateful heart perceives it.

          June 28, 2014 at 2:33 am |
      • G to the T

        "NOPE...cause they are not committed to it."

        So now you know the hearts of every gay person in America? You seem to have an image of what "gay" people are like that doesn't jive with most that I've met and known.

        June 29, 2014 at 10:14 am |
    • kermit4jc

      right..cause society is duped by people like you..tryintg to redfine what marriage is and all....redefining what love is....as I saidl...look at the statistics..even among Christians.....its sad....people are selfish nowadays

      June 27, 2014 at 5:14 pm |
  8. Reality

    Obviously, there are basic biological differences in gay marriage vs. heterose-xual marriage. Government benefits are the same in both but making the distinction is important for census data and for social responses with respect to potential issues with disease, divorce and family interactions. I trust the Census Bureau will be tracking this with proper forms as already there are gays in legal marriages filing for divorce. As a society, we must follow this situation to determine its effects especially on the children of these marriage as we have done for heterose-xual families.

    June 27, 2014 at 4:24 pm |
    • No Wake Zone

      There are biological differences in marriage? Perhaps you could elaborate?

      June 27, 2014 at 4:28 pm |
      • Doc Vestibule

        Male + Male marriage = no va.ginas
        Female + Female marriage = no penises

        THE HORROR

        June 27, 2014 at 4:30 pm |
        • Alias

          Battery powered influences not withstanding.
          Of course, the church should endorse the use of such things as they will cause a substantial portion of the population to invoke god's name.

          June 27, 2014 at 4:44 pm |
    • No Wake Zone

      The biological differences are with the individuals in the marriage. Not the marriage itself, that does not make sense.

      June 27, 2014 at 4:32 pm |
      • Reality

        You are correct. Restating:

        Obviously, there are basic biological differences with the individuals involved in gay marriage vs. heterose-xual marriage. Government benefits are the same in both but making the distinction is important for census data and for social responses with respect to potential issues with disease, divorce and family interactions. I trust the Census Bureau will be tracking this with proper forms as already there are gays in legal marriages filing for divorce. As a society, we must follow this situation to determine its effects especially on the children of these marriage as we have done for heterose-xual families.

        June 27, 2014 at 4:57 pm |
  9. Alias

    Mohler actually believes he has the right to make poeple conform to the rules of his religion.

    June 27, 2014 at 4:19 pm |
    • fascinatedspectator

      Yes, apparently so!
      He complains how this decision will hurt his so-called "religious liberty" when he said:

      "it is also clear that very real threats to religious liberty now loom before us"!

      Well, he obviously defines "religious liberty" as the right force others to adhere to HIS religious beliefs and NOT their OWN beliefs!

      So NOT being able to FORCE his religion opinion on others and force his opinion into LAW somehow infringes on HIS personal "religious liberty"!

      If that is his idea of religious liberty, I am VERY glad that he lost it!...

      June 27, 2014 at 4:55 pm |
  10. sonbums

    Anyone remember Dred Scott... having the Court legislate hasn't worked well in the past, and now we do repeat it.

    June 27, 2014 at 3:46 pm |
  11. Vic

    If you squeeze the balloon at one end, it bulges at another.

    I believe in "Individual Freedom" in ALL matters, hence, Belief/Faith in God or lack thereof is per capita AND at 100% "Free Will." If we loose sight of that, then for every action there is a reaction equal in magnitude and opposite in direction.

    In other words, we have to pass John 8:7 —unfortunately, it is not possible, Romans 3:10— before we expect others to conform to any ideal we believe in; when we point out specks in others' eyes, they see beams in ours. (Matthew 7:1-3)

    As a believer in Jesus Christ as Lord and Savior, I elect to invite others to believe in the Lord Jesus Christ and be saved, and thence trust and rest in the Lord Jesus Christ for our Salvation and doing what's best for the world.

    p.s. I have a theory about the fast-paced same-sex marriage advancement, I believe it has to do with the near end of term for President Obama.

    June 27, 2014 at 3:07 pm |
    • Doris

      Vic: "hence, Belief/Faith in God or lack thereof is per capita AND at 100% [...]
      p.s. I have a theory about the fast-paced same-se.x marriage advancement, I believe it has to do with the near end of term for [...]

      I wish I had a theory about fast-paced posts such as yours, Vic, but I don't...lol. I'm guessing you are likening certain types of proselytization to squeezing a balloon. That's interesting....

      June 27, 2014 at 3:23 pm |
  12. No Wake Zone

    R. Albert Mohler Jr. is well qualified to speak and matters that affect the public. After all, he holds a master of divinity degree and the doctor of philosophy (in systematic and historical theology) from Southern Seminary.

    June 27, 2014 at 3:01 pm |
    • Blessed are the Cheesemakers

      And Scalia is qualified to be on the Supreme Court. After all he thinks demons are real....ugh

      June 27, 2014 at 3:08 pm |
    • tnfreethinker

      And he's still a believer! He must not have paid attention during seminary.

      June 27, 2014 at 5:16 pm |
      • realbuckyball

        Well he says he is. Would he have that kjb for a minute if he said he had doubts ? I think not.

        June 27, 2014 at 9:42 pm |
  13. neverbeenhappieratheist

    "With all these laws being passed against plastic grocery bags I predict we will see an increased use of paper bags! I am a prophet!" is how I see Scalias prophecy...

    June 27, 2014 at 2:50 pm |
    • Blessed are the Cheesemakers

      God loves plastic! That is why he put humans here...to make plastic. He told me so himself.

      June 27, 2014 at 3:00 pm |
      • neverbeenhappieratheist

        Well you know where most plastics come from right? Oil! And God put all that oil in the ground because it certainly wasn't decaying dinosaurs for millions of years, I mean, how can that be when the earth is only 6000 years old? So obviously you are right, God must love plastic! Even his cute sea creatures love it! We find many turtle and seagull corpses with plastics wrapped around them...must have been the last thing they longed for when they knew it was their time to go...

        June 27, 2014 at 3:54 pm |
  14. 7god7dog7

    I believe that we, as sentient beings, overvalue the importance of our existence. It only matters to us. Humans need the world by far more than the world needs humans. People who fight with such self-righteous fervor don't really care about the human race... they care about how well the human race conforms to their ideals and convictions so that they feel safe and comfortable while they are here. At the expense of others they behave as cowards... in my most humble opinion.

    June 27, 2014 at 2:46 pm |
    • neverbeenhappieratheist

      Well said.

      June 27, 2014 at 2:47 pm |
    • No Wake Zone

      Three giants tower over their children;
      Tumbling rocks on an ancient river bed;
      Bright green moss connecting root and boulder;
      Branches reaching out in every direction to drink each drop of light;
      A spreading canopy over a pristine patch of forest.

      From the nothing sprang my universe;
      Thanking the Mother I sing out loud;
      God is not here and I am grateful;
      Wooden fingers gnarl and wind and snap;
      My world is sudden and breathtaking and lovely and hard;
      I will be swallowed by the texture.

      June 27, 2014 at 2:49 pm |
  15. neverbeenhappieratheist

    I would like to nominate Mr. Mohlers smug photo for the "Most Slappable Face" award...

    June 27, 2014 at 2:43 pm |
    • No Wake Zone

      I don't want to slap it, I want to paint a clown face on it.

      June 27, 2014 at 2:46 pm |
      • neverbeenhappieratheist

        Well if he was passed out drunk at a party it wouldn't be a clown i'd draw on his face...

        June 27, 2014 at 3:56 pm |
  16. Blessed are the Cheesemakers

    What this has shown is a lack of any legal argument against gay marriage or gay behavior...only religious ones. Of course Mr. Mohler thinks religious views should be a basis for laws....especially his.

    Scalia and Mohler can go pound sand.

    June 27, 2014 at 2:10 pm |
    • No Wake Zone

      Interesting how they completely overlook "freedom" in their arguments.

      June 27, 2014 at 2:12 pm |
    • fortheloveofellipsis

      Don't you think it odd, Cheesemaker, that the people who shriek the loudest about Sharia Law(tm) are so obsessed with legislating their own version of it into OUR law code? Apparently they think theocracy is fine, as long as it's the right kind of theocracy...

      June 27, 2014 at 2:13 pm |
      • No Wake Zone

        Right below the surface is a demon waiting to peal away its skin and reveal the true nature of Christian evangelicals. Just waiting...

        June 27, 2014 at 2:21 pm |
      • Blessed are the Cheesemakers

        Freedom is much more about about allowing behavior that one does not agree with than behavior one does agree with.

        Somehow these zealots have convinced themselves if people behave in ways they don't like or condone it infringes on their personal freedom. It is the absurd logic of the religious right. And now we are seeing this atti.tude from the left as well in other areas.

        June 27, 2014 at 2:21 pm |
        • Alias

          They honestyly believe they have the right to impose their morals on others.
          Scarry thought for a supreme court justice.

          June 27, 2014 at 4:47 pm |
        • Blessed are the Cheesemakers

          What ticks me off Akira is Mohler obviously thinks gay se.x and gay marriage should be illegal and yet nowhere in his inane diatribe does he give one legal argument for his position. It all boils down to "me and a lot of other people just don't like it...so there". It is the very reason Scalia made this "prophacy"...he knew they did not have a legal "leg" to stand on.

          June 27, 2014 at 4:59 pm |
  17. Box

    I am more than machine. More than man. More than a fusion of the two. Don't you agree? Wait for the winds. Then my birds sing. And the deep grottos whisper my name. Box... Box... Box...

    June 27, 2014 at 2:09 pm |
  18. tallulah131

    Well kerm, most studies indicate that being gay is innate. Meanwhile, there's not a single shred of evidence that your god (or any god) even exists. So if we're gonna get persnickety about it, maybe you should prove that your god even exists before using his "words" to judge others.

    June 27, 2014 at 2:03 pm |
    • tallulah131

      That was in reply to Kermit on the last page. Damn first gen iPad.

      June 27, 2014 at 2:05 pm |
  19. Box

    Fish, and plankton. And sea greens, and protein from the sea. It's all here, ready. Fresh as harvest day. Fish and sea greens, plankton and protein from the sea. And then it stopped coming. And they came instead. So I store them here. I'm ready. And you're ready. It's my job. To freeze you. Protein, plankton...

    June 27, 2014 at 1:53 pm |
  20. No Wake Zone

    If I scratch my nose, you are not required to scratch yours.

    June 27, 2014 at 1:46 pm |
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