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August 12th, 2014
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Dramatic rescue as Yazidis flee ISISCNN's Ivan Watson describes a dramatic rescue by the Iraqi military as desperate Yazidi civilians flee ISIS fighters.
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Are you bathed in the blood of the lamb? Do you drink blood regularly? Precious blood that was shed for you?
Yes, in a spiritually symbolic way, of course.
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you will never convince any Christians that you are right, and those of us that are non-believers think your religion is pure evil.
ISIS captured a town, killed the men and boys and took 100 women and girls. Boko Haram just took 97 people from a town in Nigeria, killing a bunch more.
It's very sad what religion does to some people.
Question: Is it religion doing it to people? Or people doing it to religion? I've had the discussion about "using" religion before. But since you commented . . .
steve,
That is a good point. Rather than simplistic cause and effect, there could be a cycle/spiral where men affect religion, and religion affects men in a spiral that rages out of control.
Yes, well, sometimes out of control. At other times it controls society very well, when without it society would spin out of control.
steve,
I believe that was true in the past, and is still true in some places. It may be true in the developed world, but we can't really know that. I don't believe religion has been a net negative over history. To the contrary, I believe religions have been a major contributor to the domestication of humans, much to our advancement.
I might put it slightly more positively than that. But I think we can call this agreement.
But does anyone really care, they aren't Christians and they aren't Muslims.
If you've been watching CNN or FOX, I think you would conclude that many people care and are beginning, albeit late, to move on this threat. I don't know much about the other media. I tend not to trust them much.
Well I never watch Fox at all, but I do follow CNN. My question was serious though. I expect that the enemy of my enemy is my friend. So using that criteria then it would stand to reason that we would help the Yazidis. I am intrigued by their religion, I want to learn more about that.
I agree, although I am probably not as curious as you. I know a bit about their religion. It seems to be an amalgam of religions, but I don't know for sure.
Too bad you don't also watch Fox. You don't have to watch the conservative talk shows to get a different perspective on the news. Bret Bair and Shep Smith are news guys that do a very good job covering stuff few other liberal media sites cover. Jut a thought.
I am an old Reagan conservative, and I believe that the conservatives today have gone off the deep end. I do not find much common ground with todays conservatives.
Oh, and to your question, think we are helping them. It could be argued too little and too late. But it's not because we (our govt that is) didn't know about this threat months ago. It's because we have this new idea of "leading from behind." For most people, I think that's called following. But what would I know?
I rarely agree with anything we do in foreign policy so not doing enough is as good as doing too much.
They're human...that alone should be enough to care!
Not with my soldiers, their lives are worth more than thousands of people far away from our shores.
Keith: And that attitude shows the problem with this world. We can't ever hope for peace or to show these people a different way if people keep being selfish like you are being and only thinking of the people on their home front.
Go ahead send your children to sacrifice their lives. You are right I am selfish. I am not willing to give up my life for those people that are not my neighbors or friends.
TP!!! I think we have a point of agreement! Heart don't fail me now!
http://www.christianpost.com/news/christians-suffer-with-muslims-says-gaza-priest-24797/
the Christians in Gaza cant flee as Israel oppresses them
As the French might say, "Garrrbahje"
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It was the part about "Israel oppresses them" that I focused my comment on. It was not about suffering. I certainly appreciate that all in Gaza are suffering. All that has to happen to stop the suffering is to have Hamas recognize Israel's right to exist and stop attacking them. Simple, but impossible until Hamas changes, which appears not likely.
that's a ludicrous statement
another words Israel will stop their oppression if Hamas submits to being oppressed, your asking a resistance movement to surrender and be wipe out, agreed when Hamas is no more the oppression will end because every one in Gaza will be dead, you cant oppress when ever ones dead can you.
imagine for a second China gives long beach California to the Hui to create their own country the hue come over and put a wall around the native population with full support of a powerful nation lets say America. how fast will you resist, would you recognize the Hui nation, and submit to living in an open air prison.
one of Hamas's demands during the cease fire negotiation was 17 thousand bibles for the christian population in Gaza, does that sound like Islamist extremist to you
you know who else was a terrorist George Washington
they actually have claim to south beach Florida.
Props to the Israelis if they declined to be part of the spreading of religious propaganda aka unsubstantiated bullsh!t.
That's not what I said. You are restating my words with a totally different intent.
I believe that Israel, AND most Palestinian people, would love to have peace without any oppression on either side. Guess who resisted Egypt's peace plan and therefore could have avoided nearly all of the 15-1800 killed? NOT Israel. They accepted it. Get a grip on reality.
that "peace plan" was a surrender that did nothing but keep the status quo. i would have refused to. because they refused Israel and Gaza are now talking about opining the border and getting some stronger infrastructure. some much needed water is good, because by next year they were out of safe drinking water.
So, now if they open the border and are able to ship in more concrete, electrical wiring, and money, what will they do with it? I suppose they will use the concrete, etal, like they did the last time and build terrorist tunnels under schools and hospitals and so on. And don't give me that propaganda crap. I've seen video and pictures of what happened the last time.
if the borders are open why would they need tunnels.
Hamas is fighting a resistance, they cannot walk their supplies in the open, can they.
the would not be any resistance if their was no aggression, the aggression is the problem not the resistance. if Israel would stop trying to commit genocide on them then maybe Hamas would not fight back.
ragansteve1 I couldn't reply to your comment below, but the Israeli point of view of Hamas is propaganda, and is no closer to the truth than any of the other lies. The only truth about that war is that the Israelis are killing defenseless people in their homes with indiscriminate shelling and bombing. None of the Christian Palestinians or Muslim Palestinians deserve to be murdered in their homes. If the Israelis want to get Hamas, they can grow some balls and send troops into the neighborhoods and find them instead of murdering the citizens. Under international law it is clear that they can not claim self defense when they are occupying the Palestinian territory
It's time to develop a comprehensive air campaign, arm and support the Kurdish Peshmerga and organize and motivate the Iraqi army. This is a war that is coming to a theater near you if we don't act now.
Time to release the fury of Twitter and Facebook upon the Middle East:
Gabriel is a myth therefore Islam has no foundation.
غابرييل هو أسطورة ولالإسلام ليس له أساس !!!!
I am glad.
Nobody should have to suffer or die for their beliefs.
Well, nobody except for heretics, apostates, pagans, idolaters, witches, warlocks, sorcerers, alchemists, tarot readers, gypsies, and other assorted heathens.
God will cause them to suffer in due course, but you know – God just doesn't smite people the way He used to and sometimes one can just get sick and tired of waiting for divine justice.
You appear to be truly sick, or at least your "humor" is. You need a "doc."
Doc...are you implying that Christians actually want others to suffer and die? Proof?
Doc's post was self-evidently satirical. If you missed that, you're humor deficient.
As in all biting humor it contains an element of truth. Despite Jesus teachings to love everyone there are legions of self-identified "Christians" who happily spill their bilious hate for anyone who does not share their precise worldview.
Once I saw this guy on a bridge about to jump. I said, "Don't do it!"
He said, "Nobody loves me."
I said, "God loves you. Do you believe in God?"
He said, "Yes."
I said, "Are you a Christian or a Jew?"
He said, "A Christian."
I said, "Me, too! Protestant or Catholic?"
He said, "Protestant."
I said, "Me, too! What franchise?"
He said, "Baptist."
I said, "Me, too! Northern Baptist or Southern Baptist?"
He said, "Northern Baptist."
I said, "Me, too! Northern Conservative Baptist or Northern Liberal Baptist?"
He said, "Northern Conservative Baptist."
I said, "Me, too! Northern Conservative Baptist Great Lakes Region, or Northern Conservative Baptist Eastern Region?" He said, "Northern Conservative Baptist Great Lakes Region."
I said, "Me, too! Northern Conservative Baptist Great Lakes Region Council of 1879, or Northern Conservative Baptist Great Lakes Region Council of 1912?"
He said, "Northern Conservative Baptist Great Lakes Region Council of 1912."
I said, "Die, heretic!" And I pushed him over. – Emo Philips
Satire is good. And I get it. But when little children are dy ing, Women ra ped and taken into sla very, etc. . . . ?
He doesn't have to imply, it can be said with certainty. History is clear.
All people Jesus clearly asks us to love.
" are you implying that Christians actually want others to suffer and die? Proof? "
Rick Wiles.
Congrats...you've identified one goof ball. Do you know how many atheists on this blog have relayed their fantasies that Christians (not merely Christianity) would suffer and die? Every group has its black sheep. The intent of my question, which was plainly obvious, is whether the general community of Christians wants others to suffer and die.
" you've identified one goof ball...."
If I posted a complete list (from this decade alone), I would be banned due to the length of the post. Like it or not, this is the face of contemporary evangelical Christianity. Rick Wiles is far from being a lone "goof ball".
And to be clear, I'm not suggest that your one example is the only example. Clearly there are others...Westboro notably comes to mind. So let me also be clear about my definition of Christian–are they loving their neighbor?
The "no true Scotsman" game is one you can play by yourself.
You paint with a broad stroke–and its not consistent with the rank and file believer. If you have proof that the general Christian community–those adhering to God's word and command to love their neighbor and their enemy–want others to suffer and die, I'm ready to review the evidence.
"The "no true Scotsman" game is one you can play by yourself." O.k. you define Christian (there has to be one)–but be objective. Then tell me that that general group wants others to suffer and die and show me the proof.
How about Pat Robertson?
We could probably play that game for a while.
Christian to me is anybody who says they believe that Jesus died for their sins.
Folks...identifying a person here and a person there (or a particular church) is not evidence that those in general Christian community want people to suffer and die. Please...cite me to the statistics that say X% of Christians want others to suffer and die. Cite me to the research that says Christians have a blood lust propensity. Hello? Anyone at all?
How about Pastor Charles Worley?
Joey–true enough, but I'd be careful enough to know its more than lip service–even the demons believe and shudder.
There are thousands of Christians just like Rick Wiles who have a blog or radio show with tens of thousands of followers, all sending them money to keep them on the air propagating their brand of hatred. Dismiss them all you wish. These are the people in the pew next to you every service.
" Please...cite me to the statistics that say X% of Christians want others to suffer and die. Cite me to the research that says Christians have a blood lust propensity."
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This is perhaps the most absurd thing that I have read today. Exactly how would one conduct such a survey? If someone did compile data it would come from an organization like Right Wing Watch or the Southern Poverty Law Society and you would dismiss it out of hand as a biased source anyway.
In any case, most statistics about belief rely on self-identification.
"Hello, this is the Pew Forum, would you participate in our survey on religious beliefs?
..."OK, I'll put you down for Christian then"
"Next question, do you want others to suffer and die?"
So reading the responses a day later, we can only be left with one conclusion...there is no proof–just a lot of guess work.
Another head in the sand. "a person and a person there" is in reality one there, and there, and there, etc.
The root post is an example of what some scholars refer to as "jocularity".
Such statements are not meant to be construed as literal truth.
I do not believe that the average person, whether Christian or not, wishes death on others.
That being said, there are many groups who target specific types of people and use religion to justify their actions.
Right now in the United States there are The Army of God and other such groups who terrorize doctors.
White supremacist groups like Kingdom Identi/ty Ministries, America's Promise Ministries, and the Phi.neas Priesthood,. The Convenant, The Sword and the Arm of The Lord, and the KKK.
Ho/mo.phobic groups like the Westboro Baptists, The Traditional Values Coalition, The Pray in Jesus Name Project, Faithful Word Baptist Church, Truth In Action Ministries, The Sons of Thundr, Abiding Truth Ministries, and the Pilgrims Covenant Church.
Anti-sem.itic groups like Scriptures for America Ministries, the Ec.clesias.tical Council for the Restoration of Covenant Israel, Abundant Life Fellowship, the Knights of the Holy Identi.ty, the Fellowship of God's Covenant People, the 11th Hour Rem.nant Messenger, and the Watch.men Bible Study Group.
Again, I don't believe these groups represent the beliefs of the majority of Christians.
While the Old Testament God was a wrathful war-mon.gerer, He seemed to chill out after He became His own Father.
The New Testament God is supposed to be one of forgiveness, charity, humility, compassion and peace for all mankind – including those who don't share the faith .
"...faith inspires violence in at least two ways. First, people often kill other human beings because they believe that the creator of the universe wants them to do it... Second, far greater numbers of people fall into conflict with one another because they define their moral com.munity on the basis of their religious affiliation..."
– Sam Harris
Doc, I certainly did not know all of these groups. I guess I run in different company. And I don't spend a lot of time looking for groups that want to k ill. or otherwise ha rm or op press people. There are a sufficient number that make themselves obvious.
I agree, assuming that all of these groups do what you say, that they are desp icable. I would only reiterate what you said, that they " use religion to justify their actions." Many people use religion for their own nefarious purposes. That doesn't make religion bad. People ki ll people and then use many excuses to justify their action. That doesn't make their excuses valid, nor does it make the object of their excuse also bad.
Thanks for the post. I learned something from it.
Not much of a 'belief' aspect here but it's nice to the United States defending freedom of religion, no matter how whacky the belief.
Having said that, this situation is crazy. There does need to be a strategy here. We need to be in or out. Trying to be both will lead to at least as many unforeseen problems as being in or being out will cause.
I don't want us to go back to war in Iraq. Yet these people are clearly suffering.
I agree 100%. Except for us, there is no one. That is the problem with being the lead dog, whether we like it or not. A coalition will take forever and the people will be dead by then.
I am NOT saying I support going back into Iraq with tens of thousands of troops. But we do need to rescue these folks.
I agree, we do need to rescue them. In other areas we might find ourselves not so much supporting people like ISIS, but trying to quell the worst human rights offenses in that area regardless who the aggressor is. Syria comes to mind.
You'd be surprised at how quickly an international humanitarian coalition can be assembled.
During the 1st Gulf War, Saddaam Hussein started to persecute the Kurdish people in Iraq, driving them from their homes and into the mountains between Iraq and Turkey. They fled by the thousands with nothing more than what they could carry.
Many died along the way of malnutrition and dehydration, especially the children.
The British had forseen these events and had setup a small encampment to assist the Kurds, but they were unprepared to the scale of the disaster.
Within days, a coaltion force consisting of elements from the United States, United Kingdom, France, Australia, Netherlands, and Turkey was mobilized, saving many lives.
As the coalition moved Iraqi forces south of the 36th parallel, some 2 months later, the Kurds started to come home into northern Iraq.
During that time, a Capt of the Royal marines and a medic Major from the Canadian forces who had been there when the Kurds first arrived in the mountains were doing a medical needs assessment in Soutwest Iraq.
They came on a family camped by the road. It was mother, father and 2 children, boy and girl, about 8/9 yrs old.
The father had strung a rope from a tree with an old tire on it as a swing.
The kids were swinging away and laughing.
The soldiers stopped and watched...they had not heard children laugh since their arrival in Iraq.
Both men, hardened combat veterans, had tears streaming down their faces.
They realized then that what they did, the soldiers on the ground, made a difference.
Doris, I agree. We should help these folks the way we did not in Syria. We could still do more in Syria without "boots on the ground."
Doc, I would agree if we had a leader. Without a leader, it would take months.